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And everybody jumps to the worst conclusion so quickly!Went to the doctors today because I've been feeling utterly ratshit for the last two or three days, headaches, sore throat, coughing a lot, runny nose. No up-chucking, runny bums or joint pain reminiscent of arthritis.
First thing the doctor asks me, after having me tell him my symptoms was, "have you been in contact with anybody with swine flu or travelled up to melbourne recently?"
"no"
"Are you sure?"
"yes."
"So you've not had ANY contact with ANYBODY who MIGHT have been infected with Swine flu, and you HAVEN'T travelled up to Melbourne at all?"
"I just said that?!"
"Oh okay - have you got a sore throat?"
*rolls eyes*
45 minute wait feeling like my head was about to explode for a 2 minute consultation with a script for penicillin left me feeling like there is no hope for our rural health systems.
In othernews, I'm eating apple strudel - what're you eating?
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So tempted..But if I say ym, you might slap me. And I know someone who definately will.
Hope it sorts it out for you VC and it's not the Red Dwarf space mumps that can only be sorted out with a pin.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 8:11, Reply)
damn right I'll slap you if you say that!I hope it does too - I can't afford to be sick when wisdom teeth extraction time swings around - they won't do it otherwise.
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What?You mean if you're ill, they won't get the tractor out for you? I thought that's how they did it down your end?
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nah they don't.we have sterile environments. Tractors aren't sterile.
chainsaws are though
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 8:32, Reply)
I would imagine (but am too lazy to google it)...that GPs in Oz have all been instructed to ask the question as a matter of course hence the somewhat daftish question.
On the other hand, if you buy some pork sausages or a pork chop at the shops and it's 50% pork, 50% oseltamivir (Tamiflu)? May day.
Also: from a symptomatic point of view, you might find benefit to be had from taking a couple of paracetomol (assuming no sensitivity?) to ease the symptoms of runny nose, sore throat etc.
EDIT: finally - apple strudel ftw
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 9:27, Reply)
DON'T YOU DIE ON ME!You gotta fight through that shit! Fight it!
Oh, hope you get well soon.
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gareth_alien will be human again at, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 8:48,
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They've got to ask that by the way,your symptoms do fit, and you've almost certainly been exposed by now.
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most likely, being a waitress and all,And I understand but considering they'll have a lot more cases in about two weeks time (there's a massive festival), it's just a bit ridiculous to ask three times!
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generally.but I'm not when it comes to understanding someone speaking in plain english asking me about who I've been in contact with and my movements.
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Get off your high horseOh no poor baby some one asked you a question three times because there is a pandemic (or whatever they are classing it as now) and medical professionals need to ensure that spread is minimised and contained to avoid avoidable strained on the health system.
Here have some fluffeth kittems to help you get over your horribly traumatic experience
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TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 9:36,
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Oh dear darlin TGB, did you wake up on the grumpy side of bed this morning?have some love and fluff and realise that the whole world does not need your bitterness.
love and cuddles and all the fluff in the world.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 9:39, Reply)
Oh ffs get over yourself.What annoys me is that your doctor prescribed you antibiotics for what is most likely a common cold or mild case of the flu. If you are well enough to get to the doctors and it's only been three days, you don't need drugs.
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Only reason I went is because I'm getting my wisdom teeth out in three weeks,and if I'm not 100% healthy they'll make me reschedule to get my teeth out during term time, which I really can't afford. Not sure if it's like this over in the UK but in Aus you need to be healthy for a week before hand or they won't do it.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:10, Reply)
CoincidentallyThere's been a confirmed case of swine flu at my company - fortunately not this site though.
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The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 9:18,
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there've been confirmed cases all around me, people I know through work and school,but as I said above, there's a massive festival (fun4kids.com.au if you're interested) which will fairly certainly result in an explosion of cases.
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May explain why the Doctor was so persistent:)
I mean it is his job basically on the line.
Er and of course the health of the nation.
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whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 9:54,
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Oh fuck offwhy should someone with no definable SkillZ ahve the right to ask a really skillful person the same question more than once. In fact, why did he even ask once? He's clearly a peado and should be shot and not allowed to go to the EU.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 9:57, Reply)
So...There are people around you, in your community, who have swine flu, and you think it's odd that the Doctor is making sure you don't have it, even when you are exhibiting the symptoms?
Good grief.
A doctor will make a diagnosis based on the information he is given by a patient. This may mean that he has to ask the same question but in slightly different ways to get this information. By doing that you might remember something that is key. A few months ago, I had to go and have tests on some lumps that I found. When the doctor questioned me, the last thing I did was get annoyed at him while he was doing his job.
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A major MAJOR symptom of swine flu is a high fever,I don't have any fever at all, which he checked *before* asking me if I'd been in contact or out of town.
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I'm just saying that Swine Flu is Pandemic, and there are clearly lots of cases aroundabout where you are.God, I can only imagine the whinging if he hadn't have checked you over completely and it turned out you *did* have it.
EDIT: Your symptoms sound pretty feverish anyway. Also - you don't have to display ALL of the symptoms to suffer from an illness.
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I'm not whinging - just having a laugh,it's a FLU. It is not, and has not, killed everybody in sight like people were afraid of. It's a new strain of a disease that millions of peolpe get every year.
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/lostwhy would I tell that to Birmingham? I'm not even sure where that is in the UK.
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Nobody knows for sureWe just know it's out there
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whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:20,
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Birmingham...news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/8105787.stm
"Health officials in Birmingham say the spread of swine flu in the city can no longer be contained."
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Cawl, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:22,
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okay, they've had 567 cases,and how many deaths?
From the looks of that article, it looks like a big fat Zero to me. If there were deaths from swine flu, they'd be screaming at the top of their lungs and Madagascar would have closed their borders already!
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:24, Reply)
No, you are whinging.Your OP was a whinge about the doctor having the audacity to question whether or not you have potentially been in contact with someone with a new and virulent strain of influenza. It isn't killing everyone in sight, but if people take a lax attitude to it then it may become extrmemely serious. I'm all for being over cautious if it saves lives.
I'm also all for non whinging on the internet.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:24, Reply)
Clearly I need to work on making my laughter more obvious for you Al.I was having a laugh. It's a flu - I get it - it's a really bad flu.
But all the same, it's STILL a flu.
Avian Flu had 262 deaths according to the WHO, Swine flu barely has half that. It's *just* over 100 deaths now.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:28, Reply)
So that means it's less bad, does it?I agree with you on one point - it hasn't reached epic levels of badness - yet. But it could - the WHO doesn't upgrade to pandemic status lightly, and I'd suggest they know more about it than any of us.
Just because Swine Flu hasn't killed a load of people yet, it doesn't define it as 'not serious'. Bird flu has a vaccine, swine flu doesn't. Bird flu tends to ony kill people who are frail, swine flu is most likely to kill people aged 18-54. So, returning to your OP, the doctor was doing his job.
And your point about it STILL being a 'flu? Flu kills millions of people around the world every year. Just thought you'd like to know, as you seem to judge something's seriousness by how many deaths it causes.
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well yeah I do actually - for some diseases yes.For diseases such as MS and Cystic Fibrosis - no. They're horrible in their own way.
A flu can be, for the most part, thrown off. We live in a priviledged era where we CAN cope with diseases - we're not in the 1920's or the 1800's. We know about containment and we know about letting diseases run their courses when they should. We have so much technology and as far as the flu goes, while it makes you feel horrible and like you're about to die, it generally doesn't kill everybody it touches. We're not living in an era where doctors are helpless - we have technology on our side and we can and are finding ways to treat it.
So no - while I agree that it is undoubtedly a virulent disease which is making a lot of people very unwell, I am not hugely worried about it.
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There. Is. No. Vaccine. For. Swine. Flu.You can't compare MS and Cystic Fibrosis as they are genetic and not viral.
The year that we are in also has nothing to do with it. I tell you what, the plague was stopped by the great fire of London, so shall we set the world on fire?
No-one said that the disease will kill everyone it touches - but it does have the potential to kill a lot of people. There were 3 major pandemics in the 20th Century, responsible for millions of deaths - each of those pandemics caused by a new strain of the virus in humans. Which is what is happening now. Once again, we are not running around in a state of panic, but we also have to be aware of what can happen. This is not seasonal flu.
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Urban mythThe plague had already run its course and was effectively over well before the Great Fire.
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The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:15,
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I take the point on the urban mythPUT OUT THAT FIRE!!!
Everyhting else I mean, though.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 13:30, Reply)
"Went to the doctors today because I've been feeling utterly ratshit for the last two or three days, headaches, sore throat, coughing a lot, runny nose. No up-chucking, runny bums or joint pain reminiscent of arthritis.
First thing the doctor asks me, after having me tell him my symptoms was, "have you been in contact with anybody with swine flu or travelled up to melbourne recently?"
"no"
"Are you sure?"
"yes."
"So you've not had ANY contact with ANYBODY who MIGHT have been infected with Swine flu, and you HAVEN'T travelled up to Melbourne at all?"
"I just said that?!"
"Oh okay - have you got a sore throat?"
*rolls eyes*
45 minute wait feeling like my head was about to explode for a 2 minute consultation with a script for penicillin left me feeling like there is no hope for our rural health systems."
There is nothing in that post that indicates you are doing anything other than whinging about a qualified mediacal professional doing his job properly.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:39, Reply)
Alsoen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
That was JUST a flu as well.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:40, Reply)
yes, in the 1920's!when doctor's and scientists had far less ideas on how to treat it and how to cope.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:42, Reply)
There was no "cure" for it then,And there isn't a "cure" for Swine 'Flu.
I'm not running around screaming in panic, but I'm acutely aware of the potential for trouble.
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Cawl, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:45,
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yes but again - look at how far we've come,not only technology wise, but hygiene wise too! Hygiene standards are far higher then they were back then AND hospitals are scrupulous in throwing away/deep cleaning used or damaged equipment.
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Come on...You know about basic Biology.
What's the main difference between a virus and a bacteria outside of the host?
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Cawl, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:49,
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viruses can live longer and have no cellular bodies because they are, in effect, a protein coat around DNA which locks onto a cell wall ...then releases the DNA into the Cell. It effectively commandeers the cell, whereas a bacteria is a cellular organism.
But just because it commandeers a cell doesn't automatically make it undefeatable. There are antivirals out there and I'm pretty darn sure they'll be able to come up with one for the swine flu.
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golly is it really so hard for you to believe I do actually have some intelligence?I don't need a text book to remember the difference between virii and bacteria.
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And yet, it still manages to spread itself.The only reason there's not more cases in the UK is because it's summer, apparently.
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yes - because, shock horror, it's a new strain, oh my fricken god.Bugs spread. That's a plain and simple fact. Colds spread. Ebola spreas. The Flu, every single variation of it, spreads. All diseases spread in some way or another. They have to in order to survive.
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But you just intimated that it won't have a huge effect because our standards of hygiene are better these days.(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:59, Reply)
Hygiene will simply make it harder for the virus to spread,I never said it would stop it completely. But still - if you look at hygiene standards from the 1920's and compare them to now - you'll see a marked difference.
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There were many fewer people in the 1920s tooand they didn't travel as much either.
So there is a far, far greater chance for diseases to be spread more rapidly than they can be isolated and cured. That is why it is potentially so very serious.
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Yeah.The standards then may well have been better. In hospitals, at least.
/Momentary Daily Heil blog.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:10, Reply)
You pick up on this one as it's contradiction?You've missed plenty
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I just prefer to keep it simple...Then maybe, maybe, she'll get the point.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:08, Reply)
Dont bank on itshe's on a losing streak, but is failing to heed that.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:13, Reply)
So you can therefore be certain that you don't have anything more serious than an infection then.Because you live in a hermetically sealed bubble where bugs can't get you and strains of viruses bounce off you like rubber on glue.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:01, Reply)
My lovely, please go back and read over what I said,I never said that at all. But as an interesting fact, did you know that's exactly what your skin does? it's like a massive external shield against bugs and viruses can't get through! Amazing!
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:03, Reply)
ahah you're so not funny Al.We have Cillia and Mucus in our nasal and tracheal passages to trap microbes and pathogens. Our tearducts only open one way. Same for our Urethras. Vaginas and Rectums aren't anywhere near as clean and you *can* get infection through those areas. But generally, our skin does a pretty good job of keeping out the nasties. :)
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So really, 'does a pretty good job'isn't quite the same as a shield.
Can you please pick a standpoint and stick to it
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it acts, for want of a better description, as a shield.Please note that while I am at least attempting to put forth a coherent argument, I've yet to see you do the same. Please try, it's no fun when you don't.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:13, Reply)
I would do, but having done so in the pastand been faced with an argument that has more holes than logic in it, I prefer to use this tact instead now.
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Except you are ill at the moment, so your bodies defences didnt work did they?
So what the hell are you talking about?
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:11, Reply)
with a bug my body obviously hasn't seen before.I'm sure you get ill as well Al. Everybody does. The human body is not immortal and immune to everything.
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Er...We're straying from the topic here slightly.
But what you're saying is that under normal circumstances, the body is pretty much a fortress again pathogens?
I disagree. If that was the case, how would your symbiotic gut flora get in? Is all food you eat, and all liquid you drink completely sterile?
You know that the human mouth has a hell of a lot more bacteria present than the human anus?
It's actually "cleaner" for you to eat a nugget of shit than to kiss someone.
So no, the human body is an open houseparty with free booze.
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Cawl, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:13,
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But say we had no skin, kaol.If we had no skin, we'd be leaving our bodies open to infection and pathogens like a cheap whores legs to cock.
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That's a totally pointless statement.Say we had no hearts. We'd be dead, so unable to catch diseases?
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Cawl, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:17,
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it's not pointless at all.I said earlier our skins acted as a major part of our immune system. It's true - without them - we'd be fucked.
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If we didn't have skin we'd be dead.Not due to infection either.
Due to dessication and blood-loss.
And lack of homeostatic function.
So it's a pointless statement.
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Cawl, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:25,
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I know you're a bit inexperiencedbut people don't have sex with whore's legs. They ususally use their vaginas or mouths.
*insert hilarious "you would know" comback*
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You know that the human body isTechnically a tube?
The "hole down the middle" is, in theory "the outside".
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Cawl, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:07,
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Thank fuck for you, Kaol.This is exactly what I was saying, just succinct and better.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:48, Reply)
Why are you being mean to the foreigner?He/she can't help being stupid
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Poppet, love, babe.if you're going to insult my intelligence - please at least work up the effort to check my gender on my profile. It's there. It's not hard to find. Go on, you can do it! I know you can! It's not so hard! oh oh theeeeeeeere we go! See that blue name of mine? Click it! Go on! yes that's it! Go on!
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:33, Reply)
Your profile claims femalebut I'm finding it difficult to believe. Yes I can read, even the drivel that you post. Well done me.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:51, Reply)
/slow clapsWell done my lovely! at least you're not a total loss then!
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:57, Reply)
OMG are you trying to be mean to meI thought you were one of the fluffy ones
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:59, Reply)
oh gosh no,I was aiming for patronising. I'm normally quite fluffy but don't really feel like it today.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:04, Reply)
awww poor thing. Did you want cuddles and love?If so - come back later. Or not at all. I don't care which. You won't be getting any cuddles or love from me today.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:08, Reply)
Why would I require cuddles and love from someone on a different continent who's currently complaning about feeling ill?Really why?
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:11, Reply)
*Feels bad for Buckminsterfuller**sends hugs for identifying me as a lady*
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:51, Reply)
BuckyBallsFYI, she doesn't appear to be dumb - she is in perception extremely courageous.
I'd recommend you go reading the works of P J O'Rourke on immigrants, specifically his references to the refugees from Cuba washing up on Florida beaches - to whit, if these people are courageous enough to attempt to cross the waters in a little raft with no guarantee - hell, these are the kind of people that the US wants.
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OMG ENGAGE THE PANDERTRON!Yes, VC is just as corageous as people who were fleeing an oppressive reigime in Cuba.
Sod this, I'm off to walk to the South Pole.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:38, Reply)
Who's running away?Making a move for a genuine reason, whether that be love or economics - that's courageous.
Running because you can't face up to facts - that's cowardice.
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So let me get this straight, just so I know I'm not being the stupid oneYou went to see your doctor for a cold you've been suffering from for three days. Your doctor questioned you regarding any possible contact with swine flu, due to the PANDEMIC currently taking its grip on the world. You became objectionable and demanded drugs for your cold. You came here to whine about it.
Sound about right?
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:40, Reply)
Where did I say I demanded drugs for my cold poptart?I say again - it's a flu - a quickly spreading one yes - but still a flu. I'm not that stressed about it. I'm more stressed about my friggen wisdom teeth, in all blunt honesty.
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Penicillin is not known for its flu curing abilitieshence why I came to the conclusion that you demanded them. If I'm wrong then I apologise, but I refuse to believe that I am wrong
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I don't have the flu - that's my point, I knew I had a cold or infection, he knew too,he made me cough up sputum into a cup, looked at it and said "You have an infection." The reason I was laughing is because I have had virtually no social life for the past month because of exams.
I haven't been out of town - I haven't been in contact with people who have had swine flu. He asked me three times even though I was clear enough when I answered the first time around. A basic summary for you about my trip to the doc's leaves out details of my sexual activities and my social life.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:53, Reply)
And yet you're still here whiningwhy is that? You've stated that people all around you have confirmed cases of swine flu and yet think the doctor was being unreasonable in making sure that you haven't been in contact with them.
I wish you all the best with your cold and hope that you don't get swine flu because then you really would be unreasonable any hysterical.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 10:58, Reply)
Where did I say I thought the doctor was being unreasonable?? No where.Ta poppet - I hope your head deflates soon as well, any larger and you won't be able to move.
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He questioned you and you clearly didn't like itWent to the doctors today because I've been feeling utterly ratshit for the last two or three days, headaches, sore throat, coughing a lot, runny nose. No up-chucking, runny bums or joint pain reminiscent of arthritis.
First thing the doctor asks me, after having me tell him my symptoms was, "have you been in contact with anybody with swine flu or travelled up to melbourne recently?"
"no"
"Are you sure?"
"yes."
"So you've not had ANY contact with ANYBODY who MIGHT have been infected with Swine flu, and you HAVEN'T travelled up to Melbourne at all?"
"I just said that?!"
"Oh okay - have you got a sore throat?"
*rolls eyes*
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:08, Reply)
Thats not being unreasonable,that's being annoyed that he doesn't listen properly the first time round. I listen when I take people's orders at restaurants, and I never fuck it up - it's not that hard to take note of what's wrong and remember, is that too much to ask?
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you really shouldn't compare being a waitress to being a doctor love(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:11, Reply)
But it's a SKILL, dammit! Just as important as your fancy-pants doctorin'.Now make with the visa.
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Taking down a customer order in a restaurant is a little different to diagnosing someone with a potentially life threatning diseaseBut then you'd know that if you werent fucking stupid.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:12, Reply)
BECAUSE TAKING AN ORDER FOR A FUCKING SALAD IS THE SAME AS DIAGNOSING A PATIENT?!?!?!Fuck me sideways, there's no point in trying to debate with you, is there?
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:13, Reply)
My point is - it's not hard to listen. I listen. You listen,doctors SHOULD listen.
My pop was diagnosed with senile dementia because the doctor was too busy being full of himself to listen to my mother when she said "he's deaf - he needs his hearing aids to understand you." It is NOT hard to listen properly the first time around.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:18, Reply)
Is it so wrong for a medical professional to want to make sure that their patient is listening to and understanding what they have said?When it's his job on the line?
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:20, Reply)
Of course it isn't.But I'll say it again:
Being a doctor and being a waitress are very different things. You, while taking an order, are not trying to work out if the person who's ordering it really wants a steak. A doctor, however, is trying to work out what is wrong with you via several lines of questioning and physical exams. To compare the two is weak argument.
Doctors do listen. You tar people with the same brush too easily.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:21, Reply)
If you aren't happy with your MEDICALLY TRAINED PROFESSIONAL, then see another doctorit really is that simple.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:22, Reply)
this medically trained professional was not my usual medically trained professional.My usual one is lovely and LISTENS - she doesn't ask me the same question twice or treat me like I'm some dumbass kid.
She respects her patients and knows what she's doing. This guy doesn't. Every single person who went into that room came out looking grumpy.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:29, Reply)
You went there for a cold or suspected infection, they dared to ask you questions and you threw a stropyou DO sound like a dumbass kid to me.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:35, Reply)
I never said I threw a strop?Where did I say in my original or any other posts that I threw a strop? Rolling my eyes and saying "yes - I said that" does not equate I threw a strop.
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You're basing that assessment of me over a couple of hours on b3ta.You don't know me in person so you cannot judge me, you don't have the right - the same way I don't have the right to judge you.
Asking the same question three times is not smart under any circumstances. Not in my opinion. If you're all House like and jaded and cynical and think that everybody lies, whether they really want a steak or they really haven't been out of town because they've been drowning in study - then you're just going to end up pissing people off.
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But your opinion doesn't carry much weight herebecuase you're not a trained doctor. So he wanted to be especially sure that he wasn't witnessing the first case of a new strain of flu in his area and he checked thoroughly to be sure.
Get.
Over.
Yourself.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:28, Reply)
/rolls eyes.Okay, I will - when you do Al. When you get over yourself is when I'll get over myself. Take it or leave it.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:31, Reply)
I find myself in agreement with Al herereally, when a doctor wants to confirm that you are not in current contact, or have been with someone who is now infected, is that such a bad thing to claify it several times to be sure?
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fuck shit up the best you never had, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:32,
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When did I judge you?But how many times does anyone have to say it? He. Was. Just. Doing. His. Job. You may not have liked it. You may have thought he was dumb because he kept affirming the information you gave him. But he did his job. I really wish I hadn't bought the waitress analogy in to this, because it doesn't work very well. However, the fact remains that the Doctor did his job to the best of his ability (viz. - he diagnosed you, and gave you a prescription), and then you come online and whine about it.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:39, Reply)
golly gosh, when it become not okay to have a laugh and a differing opinion to everybody else as to what is funny and what isn't?You all thought I was whining - I wasn't, I thought it was funny and was only merely and briefly annoyed at him triple checking. I was more annoyed at the fact there was a 45 minute wait for a two minute consultation.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:51, Reply)
You better get used to thatIf you're en route to the U.K.
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whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:58,
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I can get used to anything, and have done so before,but it doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have a laugh does it?
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But this thread wasn't about you having a laugh though was it?It was about you wanting to have a whine about the treatment you received at the doctors and wanting validation from strangers.
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fuck shit up the best you never had, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 12:02,
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well I was having a laugh until everybody attacked meand now I feel entitled to one - but I can't be fucked. this has gotten boring.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 12:10, Reply)
OH SHIT.The restaurant over the road has put a sign up looking for waiting staff.
GET OVER HERE, QUICK. They'll probably sponsor your Highly Skilled Migrant Visa and everything.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:18, Reply)
Oh golly, maybe I should.Or maybe I should just come over there and give you the love and fluff and kittens that are so clearly lacking in your life.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:20, Reply)
Identifies ladysee VC, I can tell when most people are male or female. I just have trouble classifying you for some reason.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:27, Reply)
possibly because those binoculars you have don't work internationally.Or because your cock shrivels whenever a girl stands up to you. Not sure which.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:32, Reply)
Oddly enough I don't have binoculars, but if I did, I wouldn't be looking at youNot judging, just being honest.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:37, Reply)
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHshut up you lot, none of you know what your talking about.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:04, Reply)
Imagine,being *educated* about a subject, and having an informed opinion!
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:17, Reply)
Oh my gosh,never mind the fact I'm studying it right now and have been for the last 12 weeks. I should obviously just bow out now - but damn it I just don't think I will!
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:19, Reply)
I think a biology degree and work experience in the field trumps your 12 weeks, but what do we know?we're just the little people who live inside your computer
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:21, Reply)
Gosh!12 whole weeks? There are other people on this board with actual *experience*. But don't let that get in your way, eh?
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:22, Reply)
Gosh I know that - but that doesn't mean I haven't learnt enough to form an opinion and back it up.(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:27, Reply)
I've been working setting up "the flu line"and been dealing with pandemic flu plans since January.
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We'll have none of your real world experience opinions here, thank you.(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:40, Reply)
VC, I've met the people who are working on the vaccine for the swine flubelieve me, they'd love your input in this matter.
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fuck shit up the best you never had, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:30,
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if you're pretending to have me on ignoreyou really shouldn't answer sub threads I start.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:34, Reply)
If you have nothing interesting to say then I don't replyNothing personal, it's the same for everyone.
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fuck shit up the best you never had, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:39,
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I'm sure they already know that it's a virus,so they need to work out how to make a antiviral that flags cells with the approriate protien antigens from the flu. They know what they're doing.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:35, Reply)
they've already got two,tamiflu and renoxil (sp)
but antivirals are counterproductive on a large scale and should only be used for short term containment, that time has passed.
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making a direct comparrison between this and spanish flu is a bit silly.(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:23, Reply)
I'm not sayingThat this "is" Spanish 'flu.
Of course it's not.
But due to the nature of the virus, the epidemiology has the potential to be very similar.
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Cawl, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:27,
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To clarify,I'm NOT saying that anything is likely to happen.
I'm just saying that one influenza virus particle has much the same potential as another, and shouldn't be written off as no threat.
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Cawl, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:30,
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sillythis strain, does not have the potential to do that amount of damage,
it would have to mutate significantly, but then it would be a new strain.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:31, Reply)
I know what you were getting at,I just like calling people silly,
you silly.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:35, Reply)
No YOU'RE silly!Anyway, my area of speciality is parasitic disease, rather than this.
/excuse.
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Cawl, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:38,
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My academic area of expertiseif you can call it that is Neurochemistry,
this is just part of my job.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:42, Reply)
I'd hardly clam to be an expert, ha!But I studied a lot about it.
Although my research project was on the female reproductive systems of a certain kind of water beetle.
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Cawl, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:50,
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you like parasites, I like bacteria and viruses.You can say I don't know what's going on - Okay - maybe I don't have as an "informed" opinion as Kaol, but I do have quite a good idea of how viruses and bacteria transmit and live. I'm entitled to my opinions just as much as you.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:43, Reply)
yeah... but...you didn't know the difference between an disease and an infection up there.
so...
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:48, Reply)
yes I do -the Flu is a disease. MS is a disease. A disease is where your body is not able to stay healthy and fight off whatever is going wrong. Infection is from pathogens. Disease can be autoimmune or otherwise.
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:58, Reply)
*facepalms*Just thought I'd do that here on behalf of the entire thread. I've never dun wun of dem befor!!!!
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whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:47,
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Ooooh me neither, I might give it a go...*facepalms*
Ooooh that felt good! :)
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:48, Reply)
Maybe we should *facepalm* each other!All this talk of transmitting viruses is turning me on!
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whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:49,
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Ooooh interesting plan...There’s nothing like a little bit of facepalming action on a Thursday lunch time!
(, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:53, Reply)
I like to facepalm all the boys/girlsEspecially strangers!!
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whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 11:57,
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May have to brush up on my b3ta lingo...But is this thread a flounce?
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whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 12:05,
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I diagnosea classic case of False Authority Syndrome.
Trust me, I'm a doctor.
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crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Thu 18 Jun 2009, 12:22,
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