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(, Thu 27 May 2010, 12:26)
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I am a chugger
Christ you lot are heartless.
Yes I do get paid a wage, but I raise a hell of a lot more for worthy causes, I make people aware of issues and how we can help solve them. If more people wanted to be human and actually help out other humans in need there would be no need for chuggers. So the folks who ignore us in the street or try to come up with some witty come back you are the only reason we are there. Those lovely people who stop and actually chat to me, even though only a handful end up signing up, are wanting to make a difference. If there was more of them there would be no need for us to have to go out on the street to raise money.

You know who else hated chuggers? Hitler, well he hated everyone else so I imagine this to be true.

Length? Up and down half of Argyle street today, my feet are killing me.
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 21:23, 79 replies)
Well,
thanks for making Hitler less evil.

Oh, tell me, is it more annoying when someone blanks you or wastes your time with stupid questions and doodles all over your DD forms? I need to know, just so I can, um, not do the annoying one. Or something.
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 21:34, closed)
The stupid question are actually fun
Blanking doesn't bother me.
Please don't tell the young girls to "fuck off" though. One of the nicest girls working for us quit yesterday for just that reason.
I'm trying to think what is most annoying, oh fake phone calls, literally stop 4 feet in front of the chugger, pull out your phone and smile as you walk past whilst pointing to the phone.
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 21:49, closed)
"Fuck off" it is then!
The less satisfied you lot are with your job, the more likely you are to quit and I can walk down the street without being annoyed by idiots bouncing around and dancing and pretending to be my friend.
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 21:58, closed)
You really have filled my heart with warmth.
If I were religious in anyway I would pray that you never had to experiance cancer and due to the fact that you never thought to donate to a charity that is leading the way in finding a cure for that particular form of cancer ended up dying a long and painful death.

But I'm not so I don't think I will.
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 22:05, closed)
I don't recall
saying anything about any donations I may or may not make.
Indeed, it has nothing to do with the fact that you're all just quite annoying.

Slightly less annoying than Gouranga people, though.
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 22:15, closed)
Man I hate those fuckers.

(, Thu 27 May 2010, 22:17, closed)
Most cancer research is being done by universities
Funded by a mix of government grants and money from pharmaceutical companies. Charities do fuck all.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 11:27, closed)

science.cancerresearchuk.org/index.htm
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 17:30, closed)
Try to think of yourself as street Colesterol.

(, Thu 27 May 2010, 21:39, closed)
I don't come on message boards talking about your job and slag you off for sucking off sailors now do I?

(, Thu 27 May 2010, 21:50, closed)
bugger
did i miss the sailors?!
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 23:41, closed)
People who suck off sailors provide a useful function.

(, Sat 29 May 2010, 11:28, closed)
I know when I come off of a boat I always use their services.

(, Sat 29 May 2010, 17:30, closed)
I never give money for good reason,
Because I couldn't care less, the world's overpopulated, and keeping famine ridden countries going with handouts doesn't help, If you've been in famine for 20 years, its not a lack of food, but too many mouths that's the problem.

But then again, I'm a cold hearted Randian egoist!
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 21:43, closed)
Fair one, stick to your guns.
Just remember a smile and a simple 'no' cost nothing.
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 21:51, closed)
Not "too many mouths"
All famines in the modern era, at least as far back as the one caused by the British in India 130 years ago, are caused by politics and cunts. It's never a simple too many people/not enough food equivalence.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 16:17, closed)
Erm...
in 1960 the population was 3 billion, its now near 7, and the Earth hasn't got any bigger! While somewhat heartless to leave them to it, I don't see why I should use my hard earned money to keep a vastly overinflated population growing.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 21:11, closed)
Farming has become substantially more efficient since then however.
With sufficient investment, the globe can support a much larger population than it does now. That's where the department for international development comes in.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 11:30, closed)
That would be great
but unfortunately there is money to be made there, so big business likes to handle that sort of thing. Most poorer countries can't seem to afford it for some reason.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 17:31, closed)
I don't mind chuggers, as long as they accept "no thanks" as a valid response and don't get pushy/arsey if you don't sign up to their racket.

(, Thu 27 May 2010, 22:25, closed)
I never do
By law you can't walk more than 5 steps whilst talking to someone. Some of the less nice organisations don't pay attention to this so if you keep walking and they follow you just ask them "Didn't you know you can't take more than 5 steps, is your team leader about?" Bob's your gender confused auntie, no more chugger.
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 22:33, closed)
What if they follow you on roller skates?

(, Fri 28 May 2010, 13:03, closed)
this is a brilliant idea
*invests in roller skates*
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 0:21, closed)
"By law you can't walk more than 5 steps whilst talking to someone"
Fuck me, I've been breaking that one all my life. Where do I turn myself in?
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 13:48, closed)
pfft
hand yourself in to your local cop shop you naughty person.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 0:16, closed)
It's the guilt trips that frost my 'nads
I had one at the door this evening - certainly a worthy cause, and one I would consider supporting were I not already supporting Sightsavers and the RSPCA. I explained this, and the fact that I only had so much money to spare, only to be met with,

"Oh... So you don't think the work we do is important?"

A little unfair, I thought...
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 22:50, closed)
Whoa that is low
Firstly good on you for supporting two great charities.
Do you mind if I ask what charity it was they approached you about?
There are some organisations I know who use shitty tactics like that and it is against the law. You are well within your rights to slam the door in their face.
I work for gift and they are very strict on operating within the law and won't guilt trip you, of course telling you about why donating would make a massive difference can make you feel sympathetic towards supporting them, but that is human nature and there is no way around it.
But guilt trips and trying to trick people is not on, even I would tell them where to go.
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 23:14, closed)
It was Bernardos
and whilst I know chuggers are paid, the girl in question did seem genuinely interested. Might have just been good salemanship - but I certainly didn't feel inclined to be outright rude.

I don't have oodles of spare cash to throw at charities - hence Sightsavers (give someone their eyes back for 7 quid? Bargain) and RSPCA (sucker for fluff) - can't really afford to help everyone who knocks on the door, as there are at least 2-3 per month :/
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 1:04, closed)
You can't help everyone
But I am glad you are helping those two charities.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 8:18, closed)
I didnt meet the quota
I lasted just over a month doing this.
I begged to get put back onto the phones and contemplated breaking a limb rather than do FTF in the street.
Its really hard mustering up a genuine smile after weeks of knockbacks while trying to make eye contact with someone who just wants to walk by unmolested by folk trying to get them to sign up to pay a monthly fee to a certain charity.
In their shoes I'd feel the same.
Getting spat at was the breaker, a green gobbet of slime dripping down my face and being told just clean it off and carry on was just a huge no no, I gave my clipboard to the team leader and went home.
Next day I was summoned to the office and let go.
I took the months pay in lieu and skipped home a happier bunny
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 23:12, closed)
Yeah can be tough.
But when I get a sign up I do feel better.
Had none on wednesday and I was worried about how I was going to pay rent if I lost this job.
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 23:16, closed)
Argyle Street?
As in Glasgow? I probably blanked you the other day.

Don't take it personally.... I give to charity, but at a time and place of my choosing.

Wouldn't try the phone trick though. Just a quick nod and an 'I'm on my lunch' does it for me.
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 23:28, closed)
Yeah if you see a handsome guy waving at you
that's me. Check out the profile picture and feel free to chat, I won't pressure you into the charity mate.
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 23:40, closed)
Hold on a minute
I just did indeed check out your profile picture.

Do you get naked for money?
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 12:42, closed)
Yup
You goto burlesque nights in glasgow and or edinburgh?
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 0:08, closed)
Don't kid yourself
What you are doing is a form of bullying - you prey on the lonely, naive, vulnerable and not very bright. Who else would stop and talk to you?

You and your colleagues fan yourselves out to make an obstacle course of walking down the pavement, and whist I have no problem ignoring you I'd hate to think of my soft-hearted old mum being pressured into signing up with you because you accost her with a question like "Do you care about starving children?".

For what it's worth I rattled a tin for Amnesty International for over ten years and know just how dispiriting it is to have people purposefully ignore you. Difference is I didn't get paid for it.

Get a proper job - selling double-glazing sounds a good fit for your talents - and donate a slice of your salary to charity. You'd do us all a favour.
(, Thu 27 May 2010, 23:51, closed)
^This.

(, Thu 27 May 2010, 23:58, closed)
I hate door to door sales, I hate sales in general.
Yes I get paid and I do donate a slice of my wage to several charities. It's not a permanant role but it is for a charity I feel strongly about and believe it or not that is why I took the job, as most of the donations they recieve come from people telling others about it on the street.
No one I know would say "Do you care about starving children" as that's a guilt trip, they explain about the charity and why it is needed.
I've also applied for another job as this one is well known for being hard to keep.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 0:01, closed)
I'm guessing you've never attended charm classes
Chugging ain't all bad. I initially signed up with Sightsavers when I was at Uni, ten years ago. I wasn't stupid, lonely, or naive then, am not now, and had not heard of the charity until I was accosted in the street. For all that, I've been contributing - gladly - for a decade.

Plenty of people draw a wage working for charities - indeed, if they did not, it's extremely unlikely that the charities would accomplish much beyond the odd coffee morning.

Getting paid to do a job does not necessarily mean you don't believe in your job. I actually like my own job, and think it's worthwhile - but I still wouldn't do it unless they crossed my palm with silver, as I do need certain little luxuries such as food.


All said and done - if you can't politely decline, and move on your way, then that's really your problem.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 1:12, closed)
:)
The world needs more people like you.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 1:40, closed)
I can politely decline
and move on my way. What irritates me are the people who can't take "no" for an answer.

I give to charity. I give monthly by standing order and I declare for Gift Aid. What I don't need is someone assuming I'm not interested in charity just because I have somewhere to go - why else would I be walking along a street?
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 14:22, closed)
I am truely sory for others like myself who will not take no for an answer
9 times out of ten they are working on commsion, which is terrible so they are forced into trying to 'sell' a charity. In the company I work for, you are paid a flat fee and if you can not get donations you lose your job. As I have said as soon as I hear 'not today' or something to that effect, I thank them for their time and wish them a good day. As do most of the people working with me. New starts have to be trained in this sometimes, but rest assured we beat them with sticks.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 0:26, closed)
I didn't at first
but I've now clicked "I like this" - as someone else has said, for your equanimity, rationality and tact in answering many disagreeing (and disagreeable) responses.
(, Tue 1 Jun 2010, 16:41, closed)
I want to decide to donate to charity when I want, not to be interrupted by a git
If I want to make a difference, it will be by selecting a charity in my own time and donating to them, or doing my own activism. It won't be by being interrupted by someone I don't want to speak to.

Charities survived for years without chuggers, don't kid yourself that society has become meaner in the interim.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 0:01, closed)
We live in the age of media my friend,
and it costs to make charities known, the charity I am working for spends 95% of it's donations on support workers and the other 5% on admin costs, as you can imagine only a small part of that 5% can go on PR, other larger charities who can afford that PR are more likely to get donations from good people such as yourself.
I'm not saying that's wrong or right, just that I think this charity should also have voice. Smaller charities die out all the time.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 0:06, closed)
I don't care
That doesn't make it right for some annoying git to interrupt my day when I don't want to talk to them. Don't try and guilt trip me either - I'm not interested, and it's an extremely low tactic. There's *always* something else you could be doing to help.

If it makes you feel mildly better, this extends to anyone that tries to interrupt what I'm doing (i.e. walking from A to B).

I don't care about media either. I don't watch TV, I avoid the papers as much as possible and I block adverts on websites.

Stick some mail through my door, I can then decide whether I'm interested or not. I only need to do it once a day, and it only takes a minute.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 0:32, closed)
Fair one.

(, Fri 28 May 2010, 0:43, closed)
95% on staff and 5% on admin costs?
Well, at least you're honest about how much actually ends up with the people who need it.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 11:40, closed)
In fairness
... 95% goes to "support workers" i.e. the people at the sharp end actually delivery whatever it is the charity does.

I'm not a huge fan of chuggers, but they're not the worst of the worst either. Suggers are worse - "Selling Under the Guise of charity or market resaerch" - which is thankfully now illegal, though Phones4U veer a bit close to it too often for my liking.

But there's no need to be rude - a simple "No thanks" works for me. But then I do look like the missing Mitchell Brother and, with my street face on, give every impression of being best left alone. I'm soft as shite really, of course, but they don't know that...
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 15:49, closed)
As above has pointed out
I said support workers, that is the people who are either providing counciling for children who have experianced anything from sexual to drug abuse, care workers getting kids off the streets, nurses helping people with learning difficulties or disabilities, the staff to run a centre that helps diagnose epilepsy within a week (something that took 6 months for me to be diagnosed with) or support staff to help look after kids. the 5% is the admin staff, rental and accommidation.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 0:31, closed)
I am trying to teach myself to ignore chuggers...
Recently I was stopped by a local animal charity for dogs and the man who stopped me was a right twat. He asked me if I liked dogs and went off into this speil that only people like me could help and promptly told me he was putting me down for £12 a month. At that time I was unemployed and when I pointed that out he shrugged and told me that I probably made enough in benefits so could he have my bank details so he could set up the direct debit.

kind of put me off stopping for people...
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 4:02, closed)
That's a twat
hmmmm it does seem there are some right shitty chuggers out there, I'm dead nice I promise.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 8:16, closed)
I'm sure there are better ways
To raise awareness for your respective charities and encourage people to donate without ambushing and harassing them in the street.


Top tip for chugger avoidance: Keep your headphones on at all times when walking down an infested high street, whether you are listening to music or not. This also works well if you want to be able to walk into a mobile phone shop without having every fucking sales assistant badgering you within 5 seconds.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 8:57, closed)
Pretend to be on your phone instead mate.
Headphones will just get you a wave and we will still try to say hello.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 0:20, closed)
I usually listen to what they have to say (if I'm not in a rush) then politely decline saying that I am not in a financial position to help
99% of the time, chuggers are happy with this. It takes two minutes, I've had a nice chat with someone, they've made me aware of their cause - everyone's happy. I do donate to charity but only if and when I can and a direct debit isn't viable.

The one charity that has very pushy chuggers and I will try and avoid (in the street and door to door) is The Dogs Trust. They target some of our students when they go into town on their lunch break.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 9:46, closed)
I give to charity too
I always put the little green token in one of the 3 boxes after having done my shopping in Waitrose.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 9:53, closed)
I'm not rich enough to shop at waitrose so I don't get this joke.

(, Sat 29 May 2010, 0:19, closed)
bollocks
listen Giftie, there's always an exception to the rule and you of course are one of them, you may have raised have raised money for worthy causes but don't kid yourself or anybody else as you have actually been paid to do it and the company you work for which results in less to the charities involved. Gift 'anti apathy' The company you work for is not a charity and takes a large % of the direct debit you a sign people up to and funds the lifestyle and large houses and fast cars for your directors and MD. They care passionately because they get fucking paid to.
They and you have parasitical relationship with charities who see you as a necessary evil as they get back around a 3-1 investment in their spend, if they could do it in another way they would.
But you may be a nice friendly bloke but wake up and smell the coffee about your ‘career choice’ and don’t make the mistake about assuming people that don’t like you or what you do don’t care about charities aor good causes. Applying for another job suggests you are not happy with what you are doing so good luck with that.
Their reaction is a result of their previous experience at people trying to sell them something in the street because that is what you are doing, selling.
If you really, really believed in those causes you would do it for free, fundraise so ALL the money goes to the charity or volunteer in your spare time.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 11:44, closed)
Hear Hear

(, Fri 28 May 2010, 12:42, closed)
it's not a career choice at all
I hope to be teaching in the next couple of years, this is what I am doing whilst I have the time to during the summer months. Yes the charities pay our company, but can you imagine anyone doing what we do each day for free, just today a completely lovely girl I work with was spat at. Seriously who spits at a young a girl for saying hello?
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 0:14, closed)
Who do you do your mugging for?

(, Fri 28 May 2010, 14:02, closed)
I am working for a glasgow based charity that deals with a wide range of people in vunerable situations
most importantly I feel is the shelters they provide for homelss children. you can search google if you like, it starts with a Q and rythmes with 'warriors'.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 0:33, closed)
Ooh, you might know a girl called Stephanie L
She's new on that scene. It's such a small world.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 17:19, closed)
There is a bunch of them off in Aberdeen just now that I haven't met
so she might be there.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 17:28, closed)
If Hitler had gone after chuggers instead of the Jews there'd be statues of him in every city.
Get a proper job you fucking parasitic waste of DNA.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 14:13, closed)
marry me.

(, Sat 29 May 2010, 0:12, closed)
I've done similar work
and I used to be more well-inclined towards chuggers, but working in Central London has totally turned me against them, just through sheer weight of numbers. I get stopped, on average, five times a day. Granted, four of those will be the sort that are easily rebuffed with a polite "no thanks", but a percentage will be pushy or lay on the guilt. Even after I've taken the time to explain, look, I work here, I walk this street every day, there is always a tosser in a tabard trying to persuade me to part with my cash, if I signed up with every one then I would be working for you guys not for myself - they still persist.

In the end I made myself a rule - I sign up to one a year but only on Christmas day, when I'm invariably working and feeling a little more charitable towards the poor sods standing around outside in the cold. I pick the charity I most want to support and the chugger who seems least offensive and appoach them. For the rest of the year, "Sorry, it's not Christmas" seems to work just fine.
(, Fri 28 May 2010, 14:28, closed)
that's cool, as I always say ' you can't save everyone'
as soon as someone says 'not today' 'I already give' I tell them thanks anyway and move on.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 0:12, closed)
The department for international development, the nhs and social security
Already help the poor, the sick and third world countries. If you got a proper fucking job you could contribute some income tax and really do some good.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 11:24, closed)
I pay income tax.

(, Sat 29 May 2010, 14:07, closed)
I must say I'm rather impressed by your equanimity
with regards to all the replies here. All responded to calmly and rationally, despite many being rather unpleasant. I suppose that it is a sad necessity of your job that you must have to deal with this sort of thing.

I was never terribly fond of chuggers but certainly don't hate them. I've only signed up with one, that was a few years back when I was feeling flush. It was Greenpeace, and whilst I broadly agree with most of what they say I disagreed with some of it. To be honest I had bugger all to do that day and was bored so when a pretty girl hove into view wanting to talk to me she got a bit for than she bargained for. Ended up grilling her for ages about the technicalities of Greenpeace's nuclear policies and what else they suggest we use. She was struggling. I think she was actually rather relieved when I went on my way.

And she was really very pretty.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 16:35, closed)
Yeah that's not a suprise,
recruitment seems to be limited to three things; How hot you are, how shy you are and can you convay how you feel about the charity.
I work with some very pretty girls.

Edit: Just to say on the pretty thing, we went to a pub after work yesterday and saw one of the girls that use to work for us on a billboard advertising some hair thing or makeup. She is stunning.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 17:27, closed)
a couple of years ago
the company I work for moved offices and sent us all out to towns near the new site on a PR exercise while desks and PCs were moved over. We spent the morning giving away "goodie bags"
of our products and the afternoon selling poppies (for it was that time of year). Only two people declined a goodie bag (and then came back when they realised it really was free), while many avoided eye contact and shuffled past when we were selling poppies. The great thing was when people came up and thanked you as the local shops hadn't been selling that year. It was nice to have people thank you for a freebie but so much more rewarding to collect for something I have supported since I was in primary school. Must do it again this year.

Edit: grammar.
(, Sat 29 May 2010, 21:54, closed)
I do the poppy apeal too
that is something very close to my heart.
(, Sun 30 May 2010, 20:08, closed)
You know who hated Hitler?
Joseph Stalin, he killed far more innocent people than old Adolf entirely on the basis that they didn't agree with him and yet it was the jumped up austrian that got all of the evil-points for WWII - what a fucking liberty!

Just goes to show it's not what you know but WHO you kill.

But, yeah, chuggers can fuck off and that means you dicknose
(, Sun 30 May 2010, 1:06, closed)
Love you too twinkle toes.

(, Sun 30 May 2010, 20:08, closed)
I try not to be rude to chuggers
but I did tell one to fuck off after he just would not leave me alone and followed me up the street.

I will give to a charity of my choosing, for the record Macmillan nurses as I will be forever thankful for the work they do.


The thing is no one likes chuggers. They serve soley to piss people off.



My friend was stopped by a chugger the other day, he just looked at him and said 'sorry I've got AIDS' and walked on.
(, Sun 30 May 2010, 19:17, closed)
pffft.
Best one I got was two guys saying "Sorry dude we are far too baked to hold a conversation"
(, Sun 30 May 2010, 20:07, closed)
maybe its just me?
but I would never give to any charity that hires chuggers or spends money on advertising for donations, I don't agree with the guilt trip society

and don't say "oh then you must never give any money to charity because they all advertise", actually they don't and I give away about 20% of my salary to various charities that not many people here will have heard of (and I don't get paid a lot before someone claims I'm some overpaid BMW driving office manager, I get £20k p/a)

before you go and give money to one of the big named charities or chuggers, just have a thought to yourself, surely you must know somebody in need? A friend of a friend who is a family carer? A homeless guy in your town who could do with a sandwich and a coffee (note: its best to sit and have a chat with them and ask if they would like some food/cofee rather than just drop a fiver into their hands)? Wouldn't you rather give 100% to the end person than 30% to some advertisers, 10% to some rich CEO, 20% to some chugger and then the rest maybe goes to someone in need?
(, Wed 2 Jun 2010, 17:43, closed)

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