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# Shameless plug but I'm hoping this may help a few B3tans/B3tards


My latest digital painting is available to buy on Opensea as an nft.
I'm still very new to the whole thing and I'm not an expert on digital tokens but I know plenty of people making good money from their work.
Alongside this Bowie series, I've uploaded all of my old animations and will hope for the best. I don't expect them to sell for the asking price but people make offers so it's just a case of waiting. Some of you guys could smash it on there and on the street I'm sure!

Edit: There are other platforms that don't need money to start up but after lots of research, this is the best marketplace at the moment with the most users.
Initial cost to verify your account can vary as it's dependent on the gas price at that time, it cost me about £50 but now I can mint as much as I like.
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 11:48, archived)
# fucking hell, $1800 for an old gif?! I can see why people are tempted
Let us know how you get on. I'm still put off by the environmental destruction and pyramid scheminess of it all.

Also, what's the price of gas bit about?
Also also, what are you selling exactly? Can you never repost your gifs if they sell or are you just selling a copy?
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 12:29, archived)
#
The environmental is a big debate at the moment but most big mining companies are using renewable energy now but I totally get what you mean.
Gas is a charge for an electronic transaction and is how the miners get their money. On opensea you pay a one off gas fee. You also pay gas if you accept an offer but you can get round that by lowering your price rather than accepting.

You are selling a token represents your artwork. You can still post it as much as you want but you can only tokenise it once.
Don't be afraid to set your price high, you can always drop it
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 13:02, archived)
# I am really perplexed by the appeal to buyers beyond the hipster value.
It sounds like you are buying a link, and links die.

That said, I wish I could buy a link to a drawing here someone once did of a determined-looking bear leaving his house holding a toilet roll to go and shit in the woods. I think of it every time I see a Go Outdoors shop but can't find it anywhere.
(I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 13:04, archived)
# I tried to sue b3tards.com for losing all my images from the noughties, which I calculated to be worth in excess of £10 million
but they're a vape shop now, and they told me to fuck off.
(The Porcupine From Purgatory katsu revival trust, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 13:20, archived)
# I had my Mr Bumpkey on b3tards
No other copies anywhere :(
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 13:24, archived)
# Well if that's their attitude I certainly won't buy vaping goods from them ever
(I helped save b3ta! Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 14:42, archived)
# I've heard their stuff's no good, just goes up in smoke
(Mehitabel_Itrang, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 15:13, archived)
# Vaperware
(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Tue 30 Mar 2021, 20:52, archived)
# Genuine lol
(I helped save b3ta! e1bow parts of this page are not secure, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 4:28, archived)
# hahaha
so true !! People must have made billions of my "strictly no elephants" image... can I prove it? can I fuck .. do I really care ... not really*
*cries self to sleep
(I helped save b3ta! claptonista ,the idiot boy.........., Wed 31 Mar 2021, 13:58, archived)
#
What are you selling exactly?

With physical art, you have an original. Or you have a serialised print. With title/copyright, you're selling exploitation rights. There's some relationship between the price and the quality. That quality factor includes both artistic values and rarity.

With NFT you are selling a number. As I understand it, the NFT is just a (blockchain?) code that's associated with some random thing. It doesn't stop anyone legally or morally making an infinite number of copies of whatever your NFT is attached. Your particular thing isn't even a particular thing. In the case of digital things, it can be utterly indistinguishable from any other copy of the thing. It's not even like it's steganographically embedded in an image.

Seems to me like it's just a method invented by money launderers needing something that's currently not illegal.
(I helped save b3ta! Ratsta, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 13:12, archived)
#
whats stopping me making a NFT on someone's else's picture?
(razzle, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 13:52, archived)
# The widespread respect for copyright and intellectual property rights that the internet is famed for?
(The Porcupine From Purgatory katsu revival trust, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 13:55, archived)
#
Block chain allegedly stops duplicate images being uploaded, so I guess when an artist tries to upload and is denied a court case or cease and dissist will ensue depending on whether or not it sold.
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 14:04, archived)
# If you change the hue of one pixel, you've got a brand new image, right?
(I helped save b3ta! brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 14:10, archived)
# call it a "parody"
then it's legal, too
(rogerzilla, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 14:22, archived)
# It's a "Derivative work"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work
(I helped save b3ta! Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 14:46, archived)
#
It has to be changed in a number of ways, I guess Block chain decides
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 14:30, archived)
# Huh?
If you change the hue of one pixel, you must get a new unique hash code, right?
(I helped save b3ta! brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 15:06, archived)
# Possibly
But I've read it can tell if an image violates copyright laws of any image it's already processed therefore keeping the tokens unique
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 15:54, archived)
# I don't fully understand how blockchain works, but I don't think it itself understands laws otherwise crypto wouldn't be favoured by so many criminals.
Let's say I'm a single pixel artist. I can create 16,777,215 unique works of art, each can be iterated or modified in 16,777,215 ways, each iteration should be a unique file, created at a unique time.

Right?

Just realised the filename adds a uniqueness to single pixel art. I could produce more than one unique single pixel artwork working in a single colour.

I'm going to be so rich!
(I helped save b3ta! brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 16:16, archived)
# 8 bit Pixel characters are very collectable
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 16:59, archived)
#
(I helped save b3ta! brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 19:14, archived)
# Too brown!
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 19:48, archived)
# This last bit definitely isn’t true.
It’s simply not possible to detect this in an automated way, there’s no algorithm that can decide it. Ultimately, in the grey areas, it can only be determined by litigation.

On top of which, I do know enough about block chains to be certain this isn’t built into them.
(Pie of Meat ___°¬¯O¯____\o/_____/\_,____Y¯¯Y, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 17:39, archived)
# I guess it's the same as the actual art world
If you can buy direct from the artist via their platform or appointed, endorsed management you wouldn't buy of some random guy without a COA
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 18:13, archived)
#
Any work that I mint as XLVII will always carry my digital stamp and I will get a percentage every time it's sold on.
So in effect it's harder to fake than real life works but you can only show people your collection from your phone.
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 18:16, archived)
# That may be a feature of how this market works.
But it’s not a general feature of block chains.
(Pie of Meat ___°¬¯O¯____\o/_____/\_,____Y¯¯Y, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 18:28, archived)
# The block chain will prove the transaction took place.
So the seller can prove they sold it and the buyer can prove they bought it (within the security provided by the block chain in question; if you have more than 50% of the computing power used for Bitcoin, for instance, you can control it completely.)

That’s about it.... It doesn’t prove the seller had the right to sell it. It doesn’t prove the seller didn’t sell something identical in some other manner.
(Pie of Meat ___°¬¯O¯____\o/_____/\_,____Y¯¯Y, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 18:26, archived)
# Pretty sure the art remains on the artists page after selling
Collectors can see exactly what you've minted and sold previously and for how much. It's a totally open market where you can't hide anything.
You could possibly repeat stuff on other platforms but as artist you need integrity, so you stick to the rules or you don't sell anything.
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 18:48, archived)
# delightful nonsense
blockchains do nothing.

why can't i copy your image and derive a nice big svg from it, stick it in a folder with this and modify the folder & files' metadata to suggest it was created and modified five years ago.
then i could generate an nft in a competing blockchain, cos it's all the rage don'tcha know, and sue you for breach of copyright?

i'd also be willing to bet that blockchains that store nfts and their transactions are far less attractive to serious miners, assuming proof-of-work consensus is used; i guess i'd be concerned for the long-term integrity of these blockchains.
(ozof, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 13:36, archived)
# That's why you back yourself up
I have every brush stroke saved, of my digital work, every path of every vector and every psd of every gif made (this will take some digging).
You'd have to go to a lot of effort for a few points of an eth

If you did reproduce it and try to sell it serious collectors would still be looking to buy my work from me because they've been watching me for 5 years +
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 14:21, archived)
# fuck all
which is why people have been doing it wholesale; there's dozens of twitterbots, and the cunts behind this fad are tagging any and every post they can think of that might be considered interesting in some way to someone in the hopes of flogging a personal link to it that'll be useless in days.

the claim that a cease & desist could be issued is laughable, as the whole point of blockchain is once something's on there it can't be removed. still, the link they buy isn't generally a direct one to the post anyway, it's to a redirect, and I'm sure all the people paying millions for unique sequences of numbers will be chuffed as nuts to find out they point to a "this image was leached from Photohub" 404.
(I helped save b3ta! JustHere4Coffee remembers when all o' this were car parks, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 4:09, archived)
# You can actually sell anything you want
You can include a printable file for them to hang in their house if it's a picture etc
But there are some insane things being done, recorded and sold for thousands with no physical benefits.
I guess you're selling that warm fuzzy feeling when you've just spent loads of money and got very little to show for it, but it's something that no-one else has got and you supported an artist at the same time :D
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 18:28, archived)
# the thing is,
the people paying all this money tend to be the same people trying to suggest that this is a good way of investing. the guy who spent millions on Beeple's art is the guy who actually runs the company that is making the NFTs... If they were shares, he'd have been locked up by now.
(I helped save b3ta! JustHere4Coffee remembers when all o' this were car parks, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 4:11, archived)
#
Yeah there's some seemingly dark shit going on there. A friend drew a comparison with beeple to Banksy.
Run by the establishment to push an agenda and further empower the already wealthy.
I really like the idea of the platform and the fact we could sell some of the stuff we do for fun. It seems like an honest system with scope for real innovation and I know I need to up my game to make a more wholesome package for the collector.
The fact is, there's underhand shit going on in the real life art world, I personally steer clear of it, but I'm not going to let that stand in my way of making an honest career from art from the ground, up.
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 11:53, archived)
# You are literally buying the NFT. A token. That's it.
It doesn't MEAN anything, or convey ANY right or exclusiveness to you regarding anything other than the token itself. The artist might declare the token is tied to an artwork, in the same way they can say the artwork is tied to the 'struggle of the working man' or a 'smell of the colour purple' but it means f*ck all. The only thing you're buying is the token, and that's only worth what anyone is willing to pay for it.

All it is is a uniquely customisable and indivisible crypto-currency 'coin'.
(I helped save b3ta! joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 13:22, archived)
# You should be able to retire in a few weeks, Mr Toast.
(Pie of Meat ___°¬¯O¯____\o/_____/\_,____Y¯¯Y, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 13:48, archived)
# He's 66, is that what you're saying
(dribble, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 13:58, archived)
# *Faxes the Web Sheriff's
new Blockchain department about the Prince violation*
(I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 13:08, archived)
# Hahaha
*intercepts*
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 13:21, archived)
# Web sheriff should have been told to do one
None of our images infringed any laws, they just put the frighteners on.
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 13:28, archived)
# My ISP told me to comply or they’d close my account. I had a bunch of clients with their hosting. I did as I was told.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 22:41, archived)
# Yeah I get it, they come in really heavy
Especially by going via a company hosting the artwork that has no investment or understanding of the finer points of copyright law.
They could try to take on opensea but if o/s roll over it would affect look bad on them if they didn't protect their artists or they could challenge me directly.
I will dig my heels in as they can't take money I don't have and I know a good lawyer who specialises in this field.
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 23:08, archived)
# Bowie wasn’t heterochromic.
He had a permanently dilated pupil in one eye
(Pie of Meat ___°¬¯O¯____\o/_____/\_,____Y¯¯Y, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 13:44, archived)
# Additional: I am fun at parties, I just don’t get invited to many.
(Pie of Meat ___°¬¯O¯____\o/_____/\_,____Y¯¯Y, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 13:46, archived)
# Just as well this is a painting of graham norton, then
(dribble, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 14:06, archived)
# in the process of being attacked by a facehugger
(The Porcupine From Purgatory katsu revival trust, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 14:08, archived)
# Certainly not the first tube I've had down my throat I can tell you ERM RIGHT
(dribble, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 15:12, archived)
# I bet you say that to all the ICU nurses.
(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Tue 30 Mar 2021, 20:55, archived)
# Yeah, he wasn't hetero-anything, LOL
(I helped save b3ta! PedroHin Come along & ride on a Flantastic Voyage, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 14:29, archived)
# Interesting, I didn't know that!
I was just going by the source pic which was no doubt edited.
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 16:03, archived)
# You paid...
50 quid?
(Myarse looks big in this, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 16:01, archived)
# No
I paid 0.031 eth ;)
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 16:06, archived)
# What?
You create content and then pay a website to host it in the off chance someone might buy it? Hmm, stops posting on B3ta and registers cheapjpgs.com.
(Myarse looks big in this, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 19:09, archived)
# You can upload work to opensea without paying
If someone sees it an likes it they can make an offer.
It's called lazy minting.
To accept the offer you will have to pay gas in Ethereum, which will very likely be more than it would cost you to mint it beforehand.
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 20:05, archived)
# What?
(I helped save b3ta! brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 20:54, archived)
# I have absolutely no idea what all this bollocks is about
but it seems vaguely emperor's new clothes ish

maybe it's like modern art, where nobody wants to be the one to admit that everyone is just taking the piss

and digital currencies
(dribble, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 21:23, archived)
# It's art
It's not supposed to make sense, the more crazy it is the more people want to consume it.
Also to some people who bought early enough Eth is worth next to nothing all you need is one hodlr to get hooked on your collectable and you're laughing!
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 22:02, archived)
# I'm certain these words will mean something to someone
(dribble, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 22:33, archived)
# Hodl=hold (not selling your crypto in the hope its value rises), I guess a hodlr is one who hodls.
(I helped save b3ta! brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 23:50, archived)
# I don't even a throne game
(dribble, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 0:05, archived)
# I don't understand what you just said.
(I helped save b3ta! brb Monkhouse Stampede, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 14:32, archived)
# You're in the best selling show
Good 🤞 luck
(I helped save b3ta! Dick Wonder ₐ wₒₙₖy, wₐᵥy wₒₙdₑᵣ, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 19:06, archived)
# Thanks
I hope it pays off.
At the moment I'm just going through all my old stuff and getting it on there.
I've got a following for my stencil work so should sell that more easily once I start uploading pics of them.
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 19:59, archived)
# I'll bet you 0.01 "eth" that you come out of this in the red.
(The Porcupine From Purgatory katsu revival trust, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 22:53, archived)
# I'll see you your eth
And I'll raise you a little willy
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 23:59, archived)
# WAY ahead of you.
(The Porcupine From Purgatory katsu revival trust, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 8:33, archived)
# Pixel art
I have a collection of 256 1x1 original 8-bit pixel colour blocks NFT pieces for sale, at the bargain price of £1,000 a pop. On display, up my fucking arse at gofuckyourself2001.com
(I helped save b3ta! 2Pints , at the third stroke, it will be, Tue 30 Mar 2021, 23:51, archived)
# Damn, bad link, I was all ready to buy
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 0:56, archived)
# Myarse beat you too it
My pal did 100 pixel characters and listed as follows

100 - 100 copies
Decending in quanties to 1 of number one and ascending in price toward the rarest.
He had people asking for him to do a bundle of 100 to save gas fees but couldn't change it to fulfil the requests.

(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 1:00, archived)
# Fucking hell, proof that this place really has eaten itself
shat itself out and is currently gulping down the hot turds
(I helped save b3ta! Richard Shitheels, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 6:59, archived)
# While you sit up in the cheap seats, watching the ship go down
Licking your frozen shit lolly :D
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 14:35, archived)
# Seriously though I loved this place as much as you did back in the day
If everyone believed in themselves a bit more and what they could do, rather than turning each other out and alienating the people who post content, and I was guilty of that too, then this place, would still be buzzing.
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Wed 31 Mar 2021, 16:23, archived)
# That and having less zealous mods deciding what was 'funny' for us would have helped keep a few more here.
(RenegadeMaster, Thu 1 Apr 2021, 14:59, archived)
# "and I was guilty of that too"
ok?
(I helped save b3ta! Richard Shitheels, Mon 5 Apr 2021, 19:35, archived)