You don't have a right to smoke thoughso you can't expect provision for it.
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Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:35,
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you do when you boost the tax coffers by billions and billions every yearor, in the same vein you don't have the "right" to drink
and yet my tax mney is still wasted every weekend scooping you wasted fools off the streets
patching your split heads back together
and feeding you breakfast after the fights you started :)
not YOU obviously :)
(and yet my tax mney is still wasted every weekend scooping you wasted fools off the streets
patching your split heads back together
and feeding you breakfast after the fights you started :)
not YOU obviously :)
The King of Hats Cone of shame,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:38,
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No-one has the right to drink alcohol eitherIf you have an issue regarding the cost of alcohol-related crime you can take it to your MP. The issue, I mean, not the crime.
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Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:40,
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sorry, start againi don't want to stop people drinking
i don't want to stop people smoking
these are the the only pleasures of the working class
those that empty our bins and clean up our shit
soon they'l have nothing, and they'l come a knocking on our doors wanting to know why :)
(i don't want to stop people smoking
these are the the only pleasures of the working class
those that empty our bins and clean up our shit
soon they'l have nothing, and they'l come a knocking on our doors wanting to know why :)
The King of Hats Cone of shame,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:42,
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That's a very defeatist attitudeI write to my MP quite a lot (well, email) and it does make a difference.
Managed to get someone off Death Row once. :D
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Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:45,
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Managed to get someone off Death Row once. :D
i feel pretty defeatedi want to be able to smoke
but i can't
i've been repressed, and no-one can give me a good enough reason why
(but i can't
i've been repressed, and no-one can give me a good enough reason why
The King of Hats Cone of shame,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:46,
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You're a white heterosexual maleYou don't know anything about repression.
Why can't you smoke outside?
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Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:48,
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Why can't you smoke outside?
i've got ginger hair,i know all about repression.
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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:49,
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this!!calling some ginger IS AS racist as calling a nigerian a coon
but it's all about who shouts loudest in this world
(but it's all about who shouts loudest in this world
The King of Hats Cone of shame,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:56,
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oh apparently it isn'tas the important parties like to draw a distinction
personally I call the "rudeness due to genetic differences" to be one thing
but it's all about socially acceptable rudeness isn't it, as you say, those who shout loudest
(personally I call the "rudeness due to genetic differences" to be one thing
but it's all about socially acceptable rudeness isn't it, as you say, those who shout loudest
discomeats This canoe,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:12,
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white hetrosexual men are the scapegoats of the twenty first centurywho do you depict commiting crime when you don't want to offend a minority?
a white hetro male
thanks for that, i don't mind really
of course i'm not a Ugandan Refugee
my life is pretty easy,
but who is commiting the genocide in our modern times?
i can't say, i might be called racist
where does all the red nose money go?
not to the people that need it, but to the corrupt in power
be they white black or whatever
it's not race against race, it's those with power agianst those without
and that's what a lot of people miss
yes there were black slaves, but there just as many white ones too
so why should we as a race appolagise for something
the elitist scum of yesteryear forced on ALL OF US?
(a white hetro male
thanks for that, i don't mind really
of course i'm not a Ugandan Refugee
my life is pretty easy,
but who is commiting the genocide in our modern times?
i can't say, i might be called racist
where does all the red nose money go?
not to the people that need it, but to the corrupt in power
be they white black or whatever
it's not race against race, it's those with power agianst those without
and that's what a lot of people miss
yes there were black slaves, but there just as many white ones too
so why should we as a race appolagise for something
the elitist scum of yesteryear forced on ALL OF US?
The King of Hats Cone of shame,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:54,
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I think you're missing the pointIt's not about apologising for slavery.
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Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:59,
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i'm just ranting i don't care what the point is
i'm going to smoke :) catch me if you can!!!
*wheezes*
(i'm going to smoke :) catch me if you can!!!
*wheezes*
The King of Hats Cone of shame,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:01,
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at the end of the dayin a country with the highest child poverty in europe
is worrying about smoking the biggest problem on our government's list of things to do?
(is worrying about smoking the biggest problem on our government's list of things to do?
The King of Hats Cone of shame,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:06,
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Your point is well madeI just don't think the smoking ban is worth getting upset over.
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Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:11,
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i'm just spending 10 mins getting it all off my chestat the end of the day, as long as i'm not chased by riot squads for sparking up, i don't care
i wonder what will happen in other euro countries though
like the coffee shops of Amsterdam
banning smoking in those would be mental!
(i wonder what will happen in other euro countries though
like the coffee shops of Amsterdam
banning smoking in those would be mental!
The King of Hats Cone of shame,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:18,
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it's simpler to pretend to temporarily fix a problem thus solving the issue foreverthen to actually deal with reality
and if you'll excuse me, I have to plaster my town with WHERE'S MADDIE posters
(and if you'll excuse me, I have to plaster my town with WHERE'S MADDIE posters
discomeats This canoe,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:15,
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ha ha!!i like smoke free pubs
i just don't know if i like the fact that as a smoker, i couldn't open a smoking pub just for smokers
it's the having the choice taken away that's scary
even private clubs, where everyone pays to join
surely they should have last say what happens
if they smoke and you don't like it, don't join shirly??
(i just don't know if i like the fact that as a smoker, i couldn't open a smoking pub just for smokers
it's the having the choice taken away that's scary
even private clubs, where everyone pays to join
surely they should have last say what happens
if they smoke and you don't like it, don't join shirly??
The King of Hats Cone of shame,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:20,
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because it stinks you big smelly!!!=)
( ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:48,
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Surelythe main factor that's never really mentioned in these arguments is that smoking is addictive, and the free will of the person saying they "want" to smoke is limited in that respect, so the argument becomes less "It's repressing my free will" and more "it's forcing me to come to terms with my addiction"
/blurts out some random words
(/blurts out some random words
The Neville What what what,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:51,
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At last, a voice of reasonAnd the argument about "it will force people to smoke at home in front of the kids" is also bollocks. The nature of the addiction is not such that if you smoke for an hour, you don't need one at home. If you smoke in the pub, then you already smoke at home...
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Thu 7 Jun 2007, 11:48,
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the government have deem that you don't have the right to smoke where you want toso have made it more difficult for you in the hope you will stop.
even though you ahve an easy access point to get to your lungs, i don't think the NHS wants to open you up again.
(even though you ahve an easy access point to get to your lungs, i don't think the NHS wants to open you up again.
Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:52,
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but you could say that about so many things so why just us??
why isn't macDonalds banned?
why isn't hard liquor banned?
it's one sided nonsense
(why isn't macDonalds banned?
why isn't hard liquor banned?
it's one sided nonsense
The King of Hats Cone of shame,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:59,
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it isn't bannedyou just can't do it exactly where you want to... and unfortunatley I think it's natural progression and probably has as much to do with the amount of money generated by smoking going down naturally as it has to do with government's concern with health issues... if you'd been sitting in your office, 20 years ago, 25, you could have had a smoke at your desk quite nicely
(
Prof UnderCover evitable,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:00,
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it's to the very tip of being bannedpush it any further and it will be illegal
illegal to do something as old as the human race itself
since we first discovered fire, we've smoked
and we've survived, we've lived on
but it doesn't fit the governments little view
of us all as battery hens, making sure they squeeze
every last tax drop out of my working bones
just so they can spend it on posh lunches in brighton
(illegal to do something as old as the human race itself
since we first discovered fire, we've smoked
and we've survived, we've lived on
but it doesn't fit the governments little view
of us all as battery hens, making sure they squeeze
every last tax drop out of my working bones
just so they can spend it on posh lunches in brighton
The King of Hats Cone of shame,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:04,
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That's a falsehoodNHS spending due to smoking related illness outweighs taxation revenue. So, people die and taxpayers fund it.
(
Carlossus,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 13:03,
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But it's for your own good.Think of the children.
Besides, the rules of the game have changed.
*bokes*
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Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:10,
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Besides, the rules of the game have changed.
*bokes*
Rubbish - you can't smoke inside with a pint in your hand. So?and the government which has been so strongly set against you throughout history has played a significant role in getting people to smoke, in the interest of the government at the expense of the people.
Also I don't think you can argue that smoking is as inate a human characteristic as, for example, making fire, music or whatever...
although apparently it is the reason why America speaks English rather than French or Spanish
(Also I don't think you can argue that smoking is as inate a human characteristic as, for example, making fire, music or whatever...
although apparently it is the reason why America speaks English rather than French or Spanish
Prof UnderCover evitable,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:11,
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Burp! 'scuse me!If you eat McGonads or drink hard liquor in an enclosed space, it isn't going to affect anyone elses health.
If you smoke in an enclosed space, it will affect other peoples health. What gives you the right to inflict all the diseases associated with smoking on other poeple?
Smoke all you like, but don't force other people to smoke too.
(If you smoke in an enclosed space, it will affect other peoples health. What gives you the right to inflict all the diseases associated with smoking on other poeple?
Smoke all you like, but don't force other people to smoke too.
cantshopforshit,
Thu 7 Jun 2007, 0:41,
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what do you meanwe don't have a right to smoke?
of course we do
(of course we do
Aphex The Mink Snackless,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:42,
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no you don'tit's in the ten commandments
YOU SHALT NOT HAVE A PUFF!!!
who does make up these so called "rights??"
(YOU SHALT NOT HAVE A PUFF!!!
who does make up these so called "rights??"
The King of Hats Cone of shame,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:43,
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a lot of things are covered without beingmentioned specifically though.
and how do you know this anyway?
(and how do you know this anyway?
Aphex The Mink Snackless,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:53,
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Rights are not granted by a government.They are only ever taken away - hopefully for a good reason, such as preventing small children from driving.
The mindset that considers that you need government permission to do something is a dangerous one.
/liddle bit o' politics
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Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:52,
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The mindset that considers that you need government permission to do something is a dangerous one.
/liddle bit o' politics
Sensible thinking, thatBut I think it might be better phrased as "Smokers don't have a right to smoke anywhere they want to"
Much like I think I should have a right to wander naked anywhere I want to, but apparently that's just not on!
(Much like I think I should have a right to wander naked anywhere I want to, but apparently that's just not on!
The Neville What what what,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:11,
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Or"smokers are prohibited from exercising their freedom to smoke in location X because of reason Y".
I think if you look at a lot of the reasons given, they don't really hold up to scientific scrutiny or 'common sense'. A special smoking conservatory was shut down at my workplace because you can't smoke indoors anymore. Of course only people smoking actually went in there...
As for being naked, I think the Naked Protester guy is bang on the money. That the human body per se is illegal is fucking stupid. Clearly flashing kids etc. is something to be legislated against, being naked and just hanging out shouldn't be.
But I'm just an old skool Liberal. No-one listens to the like of me any more.
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Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:55,
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I think if you look at a lot of the reasons given, they don't really hold up to scientific scrutiny or 'common sense'. A special smoking conservatory was shut down at my workplace because you can't smoke indoors anymore. Of course only people smoking actually went in there...
As for being naked, I think the Naked Protester guy is bang on the money. That the human body per se is illegal is fucking stupid. Clearly flashing kids etc. is something to be legislated against, being naked and just hanging out shouldn't be.
But I'm just an old skool Liberal. No-one listens to the like of me any more.
Of course you doBut you don't have the right to drink it where you please.
Try buying some orange juice then trying to drink it in a clothes shop, or a cafe other than where you bought it.
(Try buying some orange juice then trying to drink it in a clothes shop, or a cafe other than where you bought it.
NobbyNobody 21 years a b3tan,
Wed 6 Jun 2007, 20:45,
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