Maddox and Spider-Woman's Ass
EDIT: it seems I've kicked up a shitstorm in the comments, urg
(, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 22:11, Reply)
I'd never heard of this freakish arse obsessed Maddox person before this
so it's certainly done a great job of advertising him and getting people to talk about the comic
Having pressed play I have discovered that Maddox isn't the artist, but some annoying person who for some reason is arguing in favour of that appalling cover
Even more bewildering
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HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 22:18,
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he's expertly demolished all the arguments against the spiderwoman ass cover
(, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 22:30, Reply)
but he hasn't
he starts by saying they are the same pose, they aren't
They're similar, but the spiderwoman one requires a broken neck for starters
i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03022/Spiderwomancrop_3022870c.jpg
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HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 22:45,
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not to mention his fingers - what the hell's going on with spiderman's fingers
also, I don't think the outcry against the spiderwoman cover was because it was unrealistic. There's a roll call of unrealistic comic artwork, both of male and female bodies.
(, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:01, Reply)
I wouldn't expect it to be natural, its a comic
the point is, Spiderwoman is "presenting" her arse, whereas Spiderman is clambering round the surface. And while Campbell did give Spidey some arse crack, Spiderwoman's is just that much more disturbing.
The weird broken neck over to one side and impossibly bent arm are lesser problems.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:02,
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spider man is sticking his arse in the air, cheeks spread apart, legs implausibly wide
if the woman was in that same position.... well, lets just say I've seen that video
(, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:07, Reply)
Spiderman's muscles are tensed, meaning that he's raising his arse
something that your drawing doesn't show, which looks more and more like he's humping a massive balloon
(, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:09, Reply)
and another thing....
it may seem innocent saying 'spiderman is clambering round the surface' as if no gay comic artists have ever existed
but then so is spiderwoman. She is clambering off the side of that wall, one leg still hanging. She can't slither across the floor like snake woman (trademarked).
(, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:12, Reply)
You're right, if a gay artist had drawn a picture of Spider-Man's bottom,
it clearly wouldn't be innocent.
(, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:26, Reply)
well, the muscular trend in Western art comes down to us from Greece
and restarted by renaissance painters
there's no secret that muscular men in art history appealed to gay men
(, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:36, Reply)
Right enough, poofters come from Greece, don't they?
I suppose that naked/scantily-clad women in art history appealed to straight men as well. That makes sense.
Wow, who knew art was so complicated?
(, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:43, Reply)
thought Greece was where the gay gene started
have I been misinformed?
(, Fri 5 Sep 2014, 0:00, Reply)
Her head is off to the side
but she is a super spider person.
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gaijintendo Regular Member, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:10,
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meanwhile, spiderman has crippling arthritis and is risking a prolapse
(, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:13, Reply)
Once that happens
it is hard to stop it happening. And imagine it was a super-prolapse.
I already get bored of wiping as it is.
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gaijintendo Regular Member, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:15,
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Your drawing is wrong.
Spider woman has her further back leg still off the building. So she's actually quite flat from shoulders to pooper.
(, Fri 5 Sep 2014, 3:57, Reply)
tbh
Everyone's quick to take the higher ground these days. I never heard there was a fuss over the comic, but whoever gives a fuck needs to get a life.
Looks like a pretty cool drawing, maybe they should hire a female or gay guy who also has a clear interest in drawing the human form.
Other than that, who wastes their time worrying about this stuff lol.
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I refuse to form an opinion on the matter
until I hear directly from the artist.
(, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:14, Reply)
he probably doesn't give a fuck either
he made a sexy drawing, got paid, loads of free exposure from whining people who don't have any point to make other than it's a sexy drawing haha.
Win
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--- ---, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:17,
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one thing that Maddox is totally wrong about is when he goes off about how nothing and everything is sexual
the image is clearly erotic
you wouldn't get away drawing a child in that position - except a toddler
(, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:26, Reply)
No.
You are saying that the sexuality comes from the pose alone. That makes you a paedo. It comes from the fact it is a fully developed woman AND the pose combined. A child in that pose would only appear sexual to a deviant.
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Dave Trouser ; the people's choice - 75% agree, Fri 5 Sep 2014, 1:29,
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I stand corrected
Drawing kids in that pose, and any other suggestive pose, is a OK. Whoever complains is a paedo.
(, Fri 5 Sep 2014, 4:44, Reply)
nothing sexual about My dog licking My balls
While I give him a reach around.
I'm not into beastiality.
Nothing sexual if I drew My Friday night nocturnal act with the dog. You'd have to be a pervert to find it sexual.
(, Fri 5 Sep 2014, 4:51, Reply)
Why are you bringing dogs into it?
What is wrong with you?
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Dave Trouser ; the people's choice - 75% agree, Fri 5 Sep 2014, 8:59,
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Haha! A lecture on deviancy
by someone called Dave Trouser!
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Hardfarter Following through since 1978, Sat 6 Sep 2014, 18:02,
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Maddox is quasi internet famous.
Milo Manara is the big deal here.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Best_Page_in_the_Universe
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omnitruncatedkraken from Empire Algol, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 22:30,
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You've never heard of, "The Best Page in the Universe"?
Maddox has been posting edgy hilarity on the net since 2002.
maddox.xmission.com/
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DerKommissar Look how much fun we're having!, Sat 6 Sep 2014, 20:32,
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Maddox is like the Jeremy Clarkson of the 4chan demographic.
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BaronMunchausen Interdimensional Demon Day Laborer, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 22:47,
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I like how angry "content creators" can
get over trivial things like the drawing of a bum.
I wonder if deep down they actually really care?
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monkeon schmonkeon, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:17,
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surely one look at this place is enough to demonstrate that they really, REALLY do.
(, Thu 4 Sep 2014, 23:24, Reply)
Basically yes.
This is in regards to the general trend that comics have of depicting male and female superheroes. Typically, female characters in almost every panel or scene will be posing like a pin up girl, and are invariably drawn for sex appeal. Male characters, although also wearing muscle revealing skin-tight spandex, are far less often drawn in sexually evocative poses. Superman may look like a chippandale dancer, but he isn't cocking his hips and arching his back, just case any ladies are watching.
Basically, whilst male characters are drawn to idealise their physical form and their sexiness may be incidental, female characters are drawn to be as sexy as possible first. Women like comic books too, however the continuation of this tradition is kind of unfair to them, because the comics aren't made with them in mind; only horny teenage boys. If I were a comic book fan, and every issue from now until forever were to feature men in thongs, thrusting their cocks out towards the viewer in every panel, I'd probably find it annoying too.
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maninahat Too many cocks spoil the brothel., Fri 5 Sep 2014, 7:52,
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They are not talking about comic trends in general, though,
which may be an interesting argument about body image - both male and female.
They also are not talking about how so much media seems marketed to teenage boys - which is annoying both to intelligent adults and teenage girls (although not aiming anything at them would also be odd).
Both sides of the argument are simply arguing about a specific bottom on a comic I'm sure neither of them read.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 5 Sep 2014, 9:50,
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who would win in a fight - Superman or the Incredible Hulk?
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Pig Bodine., Fri 5 Sep 2014, 10:01,
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The incredible hulk, of course.
His bottom is bigger.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 5 Sep 2014, 10:03,
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The few articles I've read on this
specifically refer to how it relates to comic book depictions of women in general, eg: www.themarysue.com/marvel-spider-woman-variant-butt/
There is a thing called The Hawkeye Initiative, which is a parody of this exact thing ("woman showing arse on comic cover").
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maninahat Too many cocks spoil the brothel., Fri 5 Sep 2014, 18:50,
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storm in a teacup
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 5 Sep 2014, 11:25,
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Can't argue with him really.
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Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Sat 6 Sep 2014, 18:05,
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tl;dw version:
Whiny straight male vlogger does not understand sexism.
And anyway, when's International MEN'S day? Huh? Huh?
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Ambegris likes his tea stirred anti-clockwise, Sat 6 Sep 2014, 19:00,
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maddox
is amusing and makes a good argument but the facts don't play out the way he tries to present them. in this video and many others, he's full of shit.
(, Sun 7 Sep 2014, 10:08, Reply)