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This is a link post 'The coroner said it was clear that the teenager and his family were very vigilant about his allergies.'
Really?
"Excuse me, but I have a serious dairy allergy. If this meal contains milk or milk derivatives of any sort, I'll die. Can you confirm whether I'm okay to eat it?"
That's vigilance. Stuffing a meal into your mouth which is clearly more than plain chicken breast because you assume it'll be safe, is not.
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Byron burger menu 'reassured' allergy death teen
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A coroner says it was clear a teenager with a dairy allergy did not know he was eating buttermilk.


 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 11:55, Reply)
This is a normal post And you're clearly
privy to all the evidence and relevantly qualified.

Unlike this guy's family who are only qualified to grieve, perhaps you should call them and put them straight?
 (Papagato RackSpanner, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 13:01, Reply)
This is a normal post I think you and I must have read different articles.
By which I mean, I read this one, did you?

Key quotes:
"He told staff about his allergy but was not told the meal included buttermilk."

"Earlier, assistant coroner Briony Ballard ruled: "The deceased made serving staff aware of his allergies.
"The menu was reassuring in that it made no reference to any marinade or potential allergenic ingredient in the food selected.
"The deceased was not informed that there were allergens in the order."
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 13:47, Reply)
This is a normal post They've added a fuck ton to that article since I posted it.
And since I read a similar article yesterday. Look when it was last updated.
 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 13:49, Reply)
This is a normal post So now you're aware of more of the facts, would you like to change your original position?

(I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 14:17, Reply)
This is a normal post Are they new facts?
If the internet had had fuck all sympathy for my original story, I'd probably be tempted to change my story as well.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 14:20, Reply)
This is a normal post I didn’t say new
I said more. Crucial difference.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 14:37, Reply)
This is a normal post OK then.
Are they even facts? The "facts" bit was the crux of the question, not their age.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 16:47, Reply)
This is a normal post Sheesh.
Which part of the Coroner’s conclusion are you calling into question?
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 20:32, Reply)
This is a normal post That he told staff about his allergies.
I'm not claiming he didn't, I just wonder how the assistant coroner knows.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 21:16, Reply)
This is a normal post You’re not claiming he didn’t, you have no evidence he didn’t, the coroner was satisfied he did, yet you still doubt he did.
Why? What do you gain by casting doubt on the circumstances of the death of a teenage boy?
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 22:07, Reply)
This is a normal post What has being a teenager got to do with anything?
Would it be more tragic if he was a little baby? Less tragic if he were an old man?
Somebody died. Boohoo. My point is that they *weren't* being vigilant as a family.
If you have an food allergy so severe that consuming anything from that particular food group will kill you in under an hour, you shouldn't really be eating out whatsoever.
Even if a meal explicitly states that it contains no relevant allergens, it's still coming from a kitchen where those allergens are in abundance. Nobody can guarantee zero risk of cross contamination.
Likewise, nobody can guarantee that the staff are going to give you accurate information about the dish. Even if the family *did* enquire about the ingredients, it's still not very fucking vigilant considering the circumstances.

The original reports on this case that I read both explicitly stated that the family assumed the dish in question was safe because there was no mention of a marinade. Again, not very fucking vigilant. Neither of these reports mentioned anything about the family enquiring about allergens.
No matter which way it played out, even if they enquired about the allergens in the meal, they weren't being very fucking vigilant.

My issue with this story is the growing inability of the UK public to take responsibility for their own actions. It's always somebody else's fault.
What's wrong with saying "Our flippant behaviour in regards to our son's serious food allergy ended in tragedy.", unless you're hoping for some kind of financial restitution, obviously.
 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Sat 14 Sep 2019, 6:59, Reply)
This is a normal post And so we go round the loop once more
Marinading is not cross-contamination. The allergen that killed him was an integral part of the dish, and should have been listed on the menu as such.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Sat 14 Sep 2019, 7:34, Reply)
This is a normal post Correct.
In this case the marinade was plain old contamination.
My point is that even if the chicken had been nothing but a completely plain, unadulterated boiled fillet, there would still be a distinct chance of cross contamination considering its been prepared in a kitchen and handled by staff who also deal with a significant amount of dairy produce - its a fucking burger restaurant.
If you have a child with an allergy that severe, is it vigilant eating at a restaurant like that in the first place?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/sep/12/byron-restaurant-denies-wrongdoing-over-teenagers-allergy-death
 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Sat 14 Sep 2019, 8:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Unless you were dead of course

(I helped save b3ta! My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 15:08, Reply)
This is a normal post No.

(Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 15:28, Reply)
This is a normal post cancel today's outrage

(benito vaselini no not that one, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 14:18, Reply)
This is a normal post Don't worry
outrages seem to happen three or four times a day lately.
 (I helped save b3ta! My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 15:10, Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah I read two separate articles about this yesterday,
and neither mentioned that he had told staff about his allergies.

The story is changing.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 14:19, Reply)
This is a normal post The story isn't changing
The reporting is.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 14:49, Reply)
This is a normal post You assume.

(Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 15:28, Reply)
This is a normal post the coroners court is changing the story post verdict?
or you're being played for clicks and giggles?
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 15:36, Reply)
This is a normal post The coroner's court can't make that verdict.
The Coroner's Court isn't there to ascertain the circumstances leading up to the person's death. They're only there to ascertain what killed the person.
 (Huw Edwards Digital ID is fine, shut up, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 15:54, Reply)
This is a normal post and how did they sum up in conclusion?

(I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 16:32, Reply)
This is a normal post In addition,
the specific bit of information in question is inherently hearsay.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 16:48, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes, the staff will be qualified to advise
"Look mate, I'm being paid minimum wage and have twelve other tables to look after. Just eat the fucking burger or fuck off."
 (suvrad now hopes he’s given you covid-22 on, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 14:49, Reply)
This is a normal post people with allergies shit me
nuts are a really healthy food which most of us could do with eating more of, but I can't give any to my daughter to take for lunch or snacks because maybe some other kid might take my daughters food and go into anaphylaxis so they're banned as an entire food group. I don't mind making allowances for people if it's a bit more work or cost, like building wheelchair ramps, but when their rare shit stops me from doing everyday activities they should fucking well stay at home. One of my favourite food is imperial mandarins when in season. Some sheila in the office claimed anybody eating citrus anywhere on the same floor gave her migraines so they denied me even that simple pleasure. So now they're going to force minimum wage waiters to memorise long lists of ingredients of each nightly dish, and kitchen staff to premeditate and record every single culinary decision down to each constituent component or get sued or charged with manslaughter. I did dishpigging a few times, and every cook I worked with was a fucked-up drunk barely holding it together.
anyway, rant over. I feel better now
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 15:31, Reply)
This is a normal post I think that the point is
that any safety system should not rely on humans as they are inherently unreliable.

Allergen information should be presented in a common format to mandated standards. It should also be relied on to be complete. Unfortunately the law as it stands allows information to be presented in a wide variety of ways. Not all of them obvious or reliable.

Byron’s policy of having it at the bottom of the reverse of the menu (the small print), remote from the food itself, in a difficult to read text/background colour combination, and then relying on online staff training, looks more like they’re trying to protect the company instead of their customers.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 16:05, Reply)
This is a normal post Don't you be coming here
with all your sensible reasonable points. We're gearing up for civil war right now and this kind of sanity is unpatriotic.
 (I helped save b3ta! The Ann Coulter Fan Club Babylon is burning at, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 23:08, Reply)
This is a normal post I've had allergies since childhood, I don't rely on others to avoid triggers.
It is the dependency, drama types and unthinking people you seem to be suffering from.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 13 Sep 2019, 16:28, Reply)
This is a normal post If I had a restaurant and was asked if something contained an allergin from today
I'd probably just say yes. Better safe than sorry, and there's plenty of other people out there who won't go and die after drinking a glass of water or whatever. Fuck em, I say - if you can't eat a buttered roll without your cock exploding you should probably either be dead already or be living in a plastic bubble.
 (suvrad now hopes he’s given you covid-22 on, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 16:39, Reply)
This is a normal post If I had an food allergy that serious.
I wouldn't be eating anything at random restaurants.
I'd be getting treatment for it or preparing my own food.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 13 Sep 2019, 16:46, Reply)
This is a normal post ^ This
Spot on. If I had something like that which could kill me no WAY would I eat at a restaurant and trust the staff to tell me "yeah it's OK" as if they know.
 (I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 23:10, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes, the obvious solution
is to label every single item on your menu with every single allergen.

"Yes, I'm afraid our Vegan pasta contains egg, milk, molluscs, crustaceans and fish... you'll just have to fuck off."
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 16:55, Reply)
This is a normal post HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

(I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 17:15, Reply)
This is a normal post ah no worries. I was having one of those middle-aged moments when you look back on what you've written and think, "Christ, that sounds like something fucking Clarkson would say"

(I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sat 14 Sep 2019, 0:14, Reply)
This is a normal post *untucks t-shirt from jeans*

(I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Sat 14 Sep 2019, 0:53, Reply)
This is a normal post The real problem is the huge upsurge in potentially fatal allergies some suffer from.
It never used to be this way. Why are there so many more people liable to such catastrophic reactions? I've Googled this before. No one seems to know.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 17:00, Reply)
This is a normal post Modern life, excessive cleanliness, processed food, perhaps.
IIRC babies exposed to peanut derivatives tend not to develop nut allergies.
*goes off to pick more nuts*
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 13 Sep 2019, 17:12, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamba_(snack)#Peanut_allergy
 (I helped save b3ta! Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 17:23, Reply)
This is a normal post Also wider range of food available in supermarkets with potential allergens
E.g. The reaction to jackfruit and dragonfruit can apparently be quite severe.
 (I helped save b3ta! Thrill_My_Chinchilla is old and unimproved, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 18:49, Reply)
This is a normal post Possibly
But this guy could have been killed by a pint of fucking milk.
 (I helped save b3ta! evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 19:32, Reply)
This is a normal post More effective if you freeze it first.

(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 13 Sep 2019, 20:52, Reply)
This is a normal post Getting like "Children of Men" and Women soon becoming infertile
The excessive cleanliness is a thing though and perhaps you need to bring the kids up in harshness like in Nordic countries where they leave them out in the cold a bit. You should then smoke all day like my parents did and I grew up in a fog of tobacco. I'm fine though ......... cough
 (I helped save b3ta! spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 23:06, Reply)
This is a normal post According to my wife...
She ate many of the things they actively discourage mums-to-be from eating today. Mayonaisse, peanuts, wine, bananas etc, etc.
She says that this would introduce this to your unborn child and we wouldn't now have teenagers who die if exposed to a peeled banana.

As her husband.....it sounds logical to me.
 (I helped save b3ta! NooShmoo It's a fantazmagorical pile of ultra bollocks, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 18:37, Reply)
This is a normal post Excellent rational solution.
Has she got an unattached sister?
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 13 Sep 2019, 18:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Would an emotionally crippled aunt suffice?

(I helped save b3ta! NooShmoo It's a fantazmagorical pile of ultra bollocks, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 19:23, Reply)
This is a normal post No thanks, I've already had one too many.

(I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 13 Sep 2019, 20:03, Reply)
This is a normal post Unless it hasn't been reported a huge part of this tragedy is that e didn't have an epi pen
which could have saved his life.

Horrible. People have been told not to take snacks containing certain things to the local nursery - and I have heard people scoffing at it.

Are people annoyed because everyone is allergic to gluten these days?
 (I helped save b3ta! gaijintendo Regular Member, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 20:40, Reply)
This is a normal post I know one person with genuine gluten intolerance, as opposed to allergy
In their case, there was a recipe for something a few years ago (unfortunately I forget what) that previously was gluten free and they ate it fine, then one time they were violently sick after eating it and they went back to the shop to find out that the recipe had changed without telling anyone. Very different to being a fussy eater.
 (I helped save b3ta! Thrill_My_Chinchilla is old and unimproved, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 21:39, Reply)
This is a normal post noticed a lot of product recall notices appearing on local supermarket notice boards whilst queuing
that would otherwise be unknown due to lack of media coverage - there's prolly a website but who checks that? the last i saw was for possible 'sharp metal' objects in quorn cocktail sausages ffs
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 22:34, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm a recovering alcoholic.
The last time I went to the pub, they REFUSED to take alcohol off the menu.
The world's gone mas I tellsya.
 (I helped save b3ta! MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 13 Sep 2019, 23:10, Reply)