You know that expression, "She's one in a million".
Well, that would mean there are 6775 of her. I reckon I like those odds all of a sudden.

Good morning, what a fabulous day it is !
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 8:42, 215 replies, latest was 13 years ago)

Ugh, too early
Morning Gonz, how are we?

I got to bed a little later than usual, but that doesn't explain why I'm so shattered this morning, it's odd.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 8:50, Reply)

I got to bed a little later than usual too
because I stayed up to watch 'Fresh Meat' which finishes at 10.50. That's how rock and roll I am.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 8:56, Reply)

I do hope this is some television programme
and not an admission of noncery. "Fresh Meat" indeed.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:19, Reply)

I can't be held responsible for what TV Comapnies consider as acceptable names for programmes.
At least I wasn't up watching 'Dirt Girl World'
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:20, Reply)

Dirt Girl World eh?
*sets video to record*
Morning Scarpo, how are you today?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:22, Reply)

Grumpy.
The next "nuff said" answer on QOTW will probably tip me over the edge.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:30, Reply)

You'll feel better after an indiscriminate killing spree

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:33, Reply)

Do you get less prison time if it's indiscriminate?
Or is it worth me picking my targets.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:35, Reply)

Hmm tricky one
Premeditated attacks are frowned upon because of the clear intent involved. However doing a "Michael Ryan" has a couple of issues in that you appear to pose a continuous threat to the public and therefore would struggle to get probation. Also, it is more likely to result in your own death either by your own hand or by an over-excited policeman.
So I guess if you pick your victims carefully and have a specific motive it will be easier for you to be rehabilitated and no longer be considered a threat to the wider public. You're still looking at quite a stretch inside though.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:43, Reply)

I woke up feelin' good today, had a wicked dream about waterslides and sky scrapers.
Didn't have any real stomach or anxiety problems this morning so I'm just coming too a little bit then making myself into work.... been working from home for the last couple of days and did totally-amazingly-awesome-pleasing-clever work that the bosses are well pleased about.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:05, Reply)

Ahh, that's awesome!

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:06, Reply)

I don't think you can wake up feeling all refreshed when it's still dark outside, or something
I usually wake up feeling like crap anyway so I've got nothing to judge it against. Did I forget to mention I'm up to 7th in the FF league? If I did I'll be sure to mention it again later.
( Bill Clay a.k.a. Claudio, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:35, Reply)

Piss off, will you.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:41, Reply)

SHARNT
I've never done this well at the game, it's only a matter of time before it all goes tits-up. I've got a few Man Utd and Liverpool players so I don't know how well that'll go for me this weekend.
( Bill Clay a.k.a. Claudio, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:13, Reply)

It's been a lovely sunny day over here in Aus,
How're you Gonz?
(Poppet some assembly required., Thu 13 Oct 2011, 8:52, Reply)

One of my mates is emigrating to Sydney in 7 months, I haven't seen him in a good year or soo, used to go primary together.
Gonna get in touch with all my offline mates this month, start having a bit more of a social life.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:06, Reply)

Good morning.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 8:55, Reply)

Morning Battered, how's the family?

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:06, Reply)

They are very well thank you.
Asleep at the moment so I am using the peace and quiet to upgrade my phone to iOS5. Later I shall be packing for our trip to Guernsey tomorrow.
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:08, Reply)

Say hi to my friend Sean while you're over there

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:15, Reply)

Have you been to Guernsey? I don't know anyone that has and so don't know what to expect.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:30, Reply)

No I haven't
I would expect something that is not quite England and not quite France, but not as snobby as Jersey. Probably.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:35, Reply)

I only just worked out how Reminders works yesterday, it's one of the most useful features...
... you scroll sideways to 'reminders' (rather than 'notes' and 'tasks'), and then you can attach a location for when you're entering/leaving. To add a location, it has to be in your address book.

I'm going to recreate this on Windows Phone 7, and attach it into Facebook Place, it'll make me a fortune.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:31, Reply)

I've downloaded it, but seem to have lost all my apps and my music on the phone. When I sync iTunes it doesn't give me them back, though they are there.
Annoying.
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:38, Reply)

Ditto, that's happened to me so many times throughout the beta, the backups never do _everything_ for some reason.
At least now all OTA updates won't do that anymore.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:42, Reply)

I've no idea what OTA means. I am having to manually reinstall the apps via the handset and haven't a clue how to get my music back
The Apple help section isn't at all helpful.
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:48, Reply)

Over The AIr.... all future updates won't require all your software being reseted.
Yeah', that's a right bitch, having to do that. isn't your music on your computer in iTunes?
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:52, Reply)

Yeah the music is in the library, but the phone is empty and syncing the phone doesn't transfer the music.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:55, Reply)

Ahh, in itunes, plug yourself in, and click on the "[name]'s iPhone" under devices in the side menu.
Then select "Manually manage video and music".
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:58, Reply)

Thanks matey. Will try this now.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:59, Reply)

No probs =)

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:02, Reply)

Morning Gonz
It's not a bad day, is it? I mean, sure we have to go to work, but at least b3ta is here for some light relief from the tedium. 6775 of this girl does sound a lot, but the chances of you meeting another one of her are fairly slim, I reckon. I dunno, perhaps you might bump into one when you're away on holiday or something and you'd be all like "what a coincidence, I know a girl just like you back home".
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:14, Reply)

I channelled my inner Gonz here for some stream of consciousness typing.
It somehow doesn't seem as endearing coming from me though.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:15, Reply)

Thing is though, for there to make this girl, ie, like the circamstanses they grew up and everything, odds are some of them will be in the same sort of area.
There is a new girl who works in the phamacy I go to and she's really really pretty in an understated way, I'll probably do nothing about it, but maybe I should.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:35, Reply)

Have you got a thing about girls who work in shops or something?
Or are they just the only places you regularly get to interact with girls?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:45, Reply)

I donno, I guess it's 'cus it's where I see the most girls who I don't really know and don't really know me....
.... so I can imagine that we get on perfect and everything, rather than someone who does know me and therefore probably wouldn't want anything to do with me in that way.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:50, Reply)

the lack of BULLYING in this threa pleases me

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:16, Reply)

Shut up and give me your lunch money

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:18, Reply)

you awful person!
LOL
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:18, Reply)

Alright FreeBert

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:20, Reply)

Keep on rockin' in the Freebert

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:21, Reply)

I was thinking more FreeBert (Oooooo baby I love your waaaaay)

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:22, Reply)

baby sister

edit: Actually 'baby + sister'
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:23, Reply)

FreeFair and Bert would have got on.
"I'm only a slight paedo."
"She was only my half sister."
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:25, Reply)

"You'll only get half the protection on high security wing then"

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:30, Reply)

wheeeeeeee!
wazzup roota? are you a router? do you you direct and process internet trafic?

LOL
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:23, Reply)

No.
I help baby plants find their way in the world.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:26, Reply)

brilliant!
well done!
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:30, Reply)

Fuck off.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:27, Reply)

you all just need a hug
this is very un-QOTW of you
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:30, Reply)

a hug to punch you in the face.
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:31, Reply)

it hurts me when you say these things
i am a delivate flower
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:35, Reply)

Well you can't spell whoever and whatever you are.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:38, Reply)

we can't all be the jesus of typing you know!

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:42, Reply)

But you can be crucified for you mistakes
*Edit: I've included one too ^
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:46, Reply)

INRI
= I'm not really interested
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:53, Reply)

Interested enough to reply though?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:54, Reply)

it was a play on words! INRI is what mister jesus had written on his cross
you clever little man!
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:03, Reply)

Are you sayin tangledupinblue is a thick aethist cunt who sends his kids to religous denomination schools?

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:05, Reply)

Hey
I don't send my kid to a religious denomination school.
The rest is true though.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:11, Reply)

no bullying!

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:21, Reply)

I know little of this purportedly magic Jew
I know he was supposed to have been born in a stable, did some magic tricks then was killed for his efforts and has latterly become quite popular. That's about all I know really.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:09, Reply)

Oh lovely.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:32, Reply)

magnificent!

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:34, Reply)

I'm too tired.
I just found myself using a calculator to add 20 to 11. And Imade it 32.

I blame waking up with cramp in my right calf at 4.30 this morning. I can't walk properly today now.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:22, Reply)

Your calculator is broken.

(Poppet some assembly required., Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:33, Reply)

That's what I said! It worked OK on a different one.
stupid broken calculators that can't add.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:36, Reply)

I would say you're the broken one but I can't really talk.... I rely on my calculator for nearly all maths.

(Poppet some assembly required., Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:49, Reply)

My Computing teacher at school told us he saw something odd in Maths exams, where the people would have a calculator in front of them, yet would still be counting on their fingers
I always thought that was quite hatstand...
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:50, Reply)

I never remembered to bring a calculator
to calculator allowed exams, so always had to do the workings by hand
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:54, Reply)

I used to draw a little line for every number if I wasn't allowed a calculator.
my papers always ended up with hundreds of tiny little strokes all over each page...
(Poppet some assembly required., Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:56, Reply)

I think you were trying to remember The Silence.

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:04, Reply)

could be, could be...
I wouldn't know though, I don't have a funny eyepatch.
(Poppet some assembly required., Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:08, Reply)

You shouldn't rely on a calculator
What would you do if the global calculator network went down and none of the calculators worked properly?
( Peej, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:16, Reply)

Morning!
Just having my second coffee before I crack on with the tedium.
( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:33, Reply)

Hur hur, 'crack'

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:44, Reply)

I had a very strange dream last night. Can't remember much other than some guy laughing at my arse because it wasn't very big.

( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:46, Reply)

Some guys like badonkadonks, I guess.

( Kroney, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:47, Reply)

I'm all about the boobs and legs.

( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:48, Reply)

Good for you
I'm proud of mine, too.
( Kroney, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:51, Reply)

How very odd

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:47, Reply)

I blame J-lo and that Kardashian bird.

( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:50, Reply)

Meh, don't rate them

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:51, Reply)

It is a wonderful morning
No.1: I was looking at the Moon and Jupiter on the way to work this morning.
No.2: The boss is in London this morning so it is nice and quiet.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:40, Reply)

Was that Jupiter I could see near the moon last night?
Cool.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:47, Reply)

Certainly was.
www.shadowandsubstance.com/
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:50, Reply)

Aw I missed Jupiter : (

( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:51, Reply)

It will be there tonight, and for the rest of the year.
Get up on t'moors with some binos and get a decent look. Even with small binoculars you can see the four main moons.
( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:53, Reply)

Oh yes! up on the moors on my own where any bloody werewolf can get me.

( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:55, Reply)

You'll be safe, it's no where near Saddleworth

( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:06, Reply)

Now this is interesting
I've been looking for an excuse to stand on my balcony with a pair of binoculars. Some of my neighbours opposite have interesting looking flats.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:17, Reply)

flats breasts

Or is "that the joke"?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:26, Reply)

Oh cool.
I really wanna see the arura aborialis.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:54, Reply)

Go to Norway then Gonz.

( Bartleby A dead man on vacation, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:06, Reply)

Norway Garden Centre
( Kroney, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:26, Reply)

I feel like I ate too much last night
but on the plus side I walked for an hour this morning
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:41, Reply)

a) I bet you didn't
b) walking for an hour will surely have compensated for it if you did.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:51, Reply)

There is a difference between strolling and walking briskly, pumping up your heartbeat.
I used to do a lot of fast walking before I joined the gym. It's a very good way of exercising for those who are starting out on the path of fitness.
( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:52, Reply)

I can't walk briskly
I meander at my own speed, while old ladies push ahead and are over the horizon in seconds
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:53, Reply)

Let's hope so
I got my dad to drop me off on his way to work, left all money at home so I couldn't get the bus, and started walking.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:52, Reply)

belated happy birthday hugzzz to you
any ideas on your london dates yet so that we can get pizza booked in??
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:54, Reply)

Not sure yet
depends on money :( but will let you know as soon as I do
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:02, Reply)

fingers crossed!

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:15, Reply)

"speaking of weightloss, let's eat pizza"

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:19, Reply)

what better way to celebrate?
although on a perfectly serious note, i often order pizza with loads of vegetables and jalapenos and no cheese. knocks off about 400-500 calories.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:27, Reply)

But the cheese is the best part!

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:09, Reply)

It's called incentive
if I turn up a massive fatty, swipe will hold the pizza above my head and taunt me with it
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:27, Reply)

and then we could put the pic on fb and call it
"pot calls kettle"
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:34, Reply)

Nah we'll call it 'Fat Girls can't jump'
as I stare longingly above
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:42, Reply)

genuine office LOL right here

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:43, Reply)

Oh cool, whatcha have to eat? Was it for any kind of occasion?
*reads above about bus*.... oh you silly saussage. Where were you walking too?
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:56, Reply)

Back home
always best to cut off your options
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:01, Reply)

Oh, so you go into work with your Dad and then go home?

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:03, Reply)

Well not all the way
he works about eight miles away, so I'll gradually build up
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:06, Reply)

But if you're going to get the bus, what's the point of it?
I mean, if you don't mind me asking.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:34, Reply)

I think the point is not to get the bus
but to get some exercise. She left her money at home so that she couldn't be weak, give in and get the bus.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:39, Reply)

AHhhh, coolio

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:42, Reply)

Tangled is right
if I'd taken my purse the temptation would've been to walk a bit, then get a bus
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:43, Reply)

It was all mist and slanting sunlight and fallen leaves this morning.
So not a bad drive into work, really.
( Kroney, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:44, Reply)

yeah, that m25 sure is scenic
and as for uxbridge town centre, seldom has such a sylvan scene greeted anyone's eyes.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 9:53, Reply)

Hur hur hur
My house doesn't sit on the M25, Sarcasmo.
( Kroney, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:02, Reply)

that's lady saracasmo
to the likes of you
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:14, Reply)

pfft "lady"

( Kroney, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:19, Reply)

well ok
HRH then
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:26, Reply)

Yeah, they can be common as muck.

( Kroney, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:27, Reply)

filth is very different to muck, darling

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:28, Reply)

And it is possible to be both, sweetie

( Kroney, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:28, Reply)

muck is not a good thing

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:32, Reply)

For you lot, perhaps.
It truly is grim up North. I'm busily plotting a co-worker's demise. All I need is a trained legion of killer ferrets.
(The Luggage is haunted..., Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:06, Reply)

alright?

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:09, Reply)

Morning Gonz
The key thing to remember, is that of those 6775, 6775 will probably have some kind of mental health issue and/or an unhealthily close relationship with their mother*

* and no, not in that way, you awful perve.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:40, Reply)

32 of them will have AIDs

(PsychoChomp, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:40, Reply)

The final part of "The Strain" trilogy is now availble on Kindle
but I can't seem to find an illegal torrent of it. I also can't get hold of the new album by The Answer.

Both these things are annoying as I don't want to actually pay for the stuff I like. But I fear I may be forced to. Unless of course, I wait until bekcyletters has finished with her hard copy of the book and then borrow it. Or, beat her up and take it off her before she's read it.

Also, Gonz, riddle me this:
www.amazon.co.uk/Night-Eternal-Strain-Trilogy/dp/0007319525/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0
www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005E88I2K/ref=s9_simh_gw_p351_d0_g351_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=14JH0R0SWK4DYZ34R2D1&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=467128533&pf_rd_i=468294

The first is the hardback version of a new book retailing for £9.99.

The second is the Kindle version of a new book, retailing for £9.99.

Where is your brave new world of cheap affordable books because you don't have to pay for the printing costs?
(Bazongaloid, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:43, Reply)

kindles fucking suck
burn all the kindles

if you want the book for free, go to the library.

next problem, please.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:44, Reply)

The printing costs are practically nothing.
It's the editing costs that make up most the price.
(PsychoChomp, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:44, Reply)

Meh, maybe true
but from the consumers point of view, selling a "non-existant" version of a book at the same price as a physical bundle of paper feels like a massive con.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:49, Reply)

It is a massive con
but that's retail innit.
(PsychoChomp, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:51, Reply)

Pretty certain it works on the principle of being able to sell things for more money than they cost to produce
Is that a con?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:52, Reply)

You could think of it as a nonexistant version, or you could consider it an indistructable version.
Once you've bought it, you can never break it, you'll always have a copy, for life.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:53, Reply)

but it's not tangible
there's no pleasure in touching it, smelling it, seeing it stacked on your shelf and remembering you haven't read it in a while, or stumbling across it in a bookshop when it's something you would never normally look twice at but getting hooked on the first page, or spending an hour or more just wandering around choosing books... kindles can never ever replace that.

and if they kill off the bookshops because people would rather get stuff cheaper (we're talking a few quid for a book here, it's not like they're saving hundreds of pounds a pop) or for free, that entire massive pleasure will disappear.

sad times.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:57, Reply)

There is great pleasure in reading it
and I can carry the complete works of a number of great writers in one very small leatherbound device.

What I object to is the ludicrous price we are currently expected to pay for digital media. It's like the publishing industry has learnt absolutely nothing from the way the bottom fell out of the recorded music industry due to bad pricing.

The sad thing is though, musicians can go on tour and make money selling merchandise, and author can never do anything like that.

But equally, I suppose, Charles Dickens made his money serialising his books in newspapers, it's only recently that authors have been able to sell millions of books and then never work again, and the same applies to musicians.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:00, Reply)

very very few authors can do that
j k rowling was the first person to make a million just from books alone, not film rights etc. one of the publishers who came to lecture on my oxford course told us that the average author in the uk earns £4,000 per annum.

kindles are just not as tactile as books. if you spend all day looking at a computer screen, why would you want to get out another computer screen on the way home/out to the pub. and you simply can't browse the same way.

then you look at all the knock-on effects of bookshops closing - all the staff; the landlords who won't get paid rent; the high streets losing yet another good shop; the kids who simply won't get the same love of books as we did..... urgh. BURN THE KINDLES.

this being said, ebay/amazon was probably the beginning of the end, when people started flogging them. and i buy them from there. which is kind of hypocritical. but still. BURN THE KINDLES.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:03, Reply)

I imagine that peple writing pulp fiction such as James Patterson and Dean Koontz
make quite a lot of money, because they keep churning out lots of novels and people buy them. Which is reasonable, you keep producing something people want and you are rewarded.

But I don't see why any author should expect to be able to live on the proceeds of just a few books. And the same goes for musicians. If you can keep producing good quality stuff that people want to buy then brilliant, you can make your money, but if you expect to live off the proceeds of two albums then I'm actually pleased the business model has changed to prevent that.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:11, Reply)

but that was always the case
digital books haven't changed that, they've just made it much harder to get a deal in the first place because the publishers are much more under the cosh. and the author gets paid a lot less.

anyone who loves literature would have been nearly weeping after the lectures we sat through. eg: the future of publishing lies mainly in chick-lit and vampire fiction, with pet biographies coming up unexpectedly on the rear. the best way to make money is... to be picked up by tesco, who take on about 10 books a month. since when did tesco dictate great literature? and if your first book sells brilliantly but the second doesn't, you most likely won't get a shot at a third. it's a very harsh business.

the whole thing sucks.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:13, Reply)

I think you're wrong in believing that there was once some great "golden age of literature"
When you look back at "Classics" such as Dickens, Bronte, Tolstoy etc. They were all writing over a period of a century, or more, and there will have been loads of other books published during that time that nobody remembers, probably because they were shit.

And it's the same now, there are still some fantastic books being published, but there is also a lot of shit. But nobody in 150 years is going to remember the shit.

In twenty years time I bet Harry Potter isn't all that popular at all, because with the benefit of hindsight people will notice that after the 4th book the quality declined massively as no editor appeared to have the balls to stand up to JK Rowling.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:21, Reply)

Oh shit I'm actually agreeing with Al. I need to go offline.

(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:15, Reply)

Also, Kindles and Readers aren't computer screens, they use an "e-ink" system
which is totally different, doesn't tire your eyes, looks just like a printed page.

Reading stuff on backlit stuff like an ipad or a phone, that's just a bit daft I reckon
(Bazongaloid, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:12, Reply)

my dad's got one, i hate it
i read so quickly that i am constantly flicking the page and it makes my eyes tired. i don't care if it's psychosomatic, i hate the kindle!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:14, Reply)

This chap talks about how ebooks
will put literacy out of the reach of a lot of people who are poor

seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com/390067.html
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:02, Reply)

interesting read.

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:05, Reply)

Definitely makes a point worth considering
people tend to forget that there are a lot of people out there who ebooks are useless for if they don't have anything to read them on
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:08, Reply)

also it turns them from being something even the kids whose families can afford it can collect
and enjoy opening and reading to just another computer thing.

plus parents are never going to buy one each. so kids will end up sharing, or more likely one of them never getting a look-in/not becoming interested.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:10, Reply)

Yeah I read that
I kind of agree, to an extent, but the main way to combat that, is through Libraries.

But because less people use libraries they are viewed as a pointless waste of money and their funding gets slashed. Which puts free books out of the hands of people who can't afford any other way of obtaining them.

That's the real crime, it's not the rise of Kindles that's to blame.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:08, Reply)

Yeah I linked to it on facebook
a few weeks back.

I'm not saying Kindles are to blame, I am saying though that books are still an important part of our society and far more easily obtainable than a free ebook reader is
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:10, Reply)

Why is that any different to the medium of music, telivsion or films, yet people still get them via digital distribution.
In my mind, they're not replacing printed media, but suplimenting it. I still buy magazines and books, and I still buy digital versions. Sometimes I want to be able to open up my ipad and have something there-and-then, and sometimes I want to pick up something printed. Depends on my mood.

If it does kill off bookshops, and ignoring the fact that online stores are doing more damage, then it'll be because the public find the digital copy more favorable to buy. But for the reasons you said, that's why they'll always still have book shops.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:08, Reply)

And there are other advantages to digital too.
I could produce work that people will read and possibly buy, anyone can with digital, because the investment is so much less and the buisness model doesn't require shelf space. It's giving an opertunity in that respect that wouldn't happen without it.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:10, Reply)

but will they?
waterstones is the only main high street retailer left, and compare that to 10 years ago. and waterstones' value has just been slashed by about £150M!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:10, Reply)

The kindle is only, what, 2 years old? You can't blame the demise of the highstreet book shop on Kindle when the decline has been going on for a lot longer.
I think it's more to look to society, look at the riots and how waterstones was the only retail that wasn't touched.

Look at WH Smiths, they've adapted to the market, and without adapting, that's where we get failure.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:16, Reply)

WH Smiths don't really sell books anymore
they sell them as a small overpriced mainstream collection.
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:17, Reply)

Huh? I don't think I've been to one where at _least_ 30-50% of their space wasn't dedicated to books.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:41, Reply)

That can't be right Chompster
A physical book not only needs to be printed, but stored, transported, held in stock, sold/packed/posted by real-life people, whereas Kindle books are just magically transmitted through the ether.

I fail to see why the costs should be the same, or even remotely close.

Once folk get wise to free torrenting of Kindle books then the prices will plummet, just like it did with CDs.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:51, Reply)

yes and then people like me who are just edging close to a book deal
which means they can give up their 15 hour a day working job to move to hollywood and make it into a film and marry bradley cooper are going to have it all snatched away.

it's almost like the entire world didn't think about ME and MY LIFE PLAN when choosing to get stuff for free instead of paying for it.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:52, Reply)

If you just send us all a tit-gaz we'll all promise to buy your book*
*when it's down to 50p in Bargain Books
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:58, Reply)

you'll all be in it

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:06, Reply)

In your tit-gaz?
I was down in dat der London last week, you should have given me a shout. You'd need to have knowledge of my Facebook profile and use Photoshop now though.

Checked out Charlotte Street/Fitzrovia a couple of times. Pretty good, and easy walking distance from the hotel! Cheers.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:21, Reply)

most welcome!

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:42, Reply)

I don't think so, you can't read 20 books in the bath, you can do that with music.
I don't think any more books will be read than currently if the price drops dramatically.
(PsychoChomp, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:57, Reply)

I didn't say anything about people buying more books
I said they would get them more cheaply (i.e. free) from elsewhere.

However, people would be more likely to take a punt on an author if they could pick up a copy for (say) a couple of quid rather than £9.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:00, Reply)

Check your gazzes

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:49, Reply)

Awesome, thank you very much.
I'm stunned though, that the lead single "Piece by Piece" isn't actually included on the album, only in the "deluxe" edition. Fortunately I already have a copy of it on a CD I got with Classic Rock.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:52, Reply)

That's a bit fucking weird.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:53, Reply)

Because the expense on a book is not the phsyical paper but the words that are written.
If the author got more money, then I'd agree, but I'm not entirely sure they do.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:53, Reply)

Ooh I read the first one of those
it was alright. Didn't know more had been published
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:54, Reply)

Yeah, it's not a great literary masterpiece
but it's a fun a pretty gripping story. Especially if you like end of the world type stories.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:56, Reply)

I love end of the world stories
I felt it was extremely clumsy in a lot of places, but it was interesting and I'd definitely read the next one
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:57, Reply)

That looks like my kind of read.
*sticks on wishlist*
( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:03, Reply)

I can send you the first two as epubs if you like?

(Bazongaloid, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:05, Reply)

Thanks for the offer Al but I prefer paperbacks : )
I'm old fashioned.
( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:07, Reply)

i love you

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:11, Reply)

I just love handling books and the smell of them.
I love the bookcovers and often look at them sporadically while reading.
( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:16, Reply)

You can have my paperback copy if you want
I picked it up for about £2
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:13, Reply)

Ooo! thanks for that : )

( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:15, Reply)

Not a problem
I'll stick it in the post if you want, or you can wait til next bash whenever that is
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:16, Reply)

Send it second class. There's no rush.
I'll gaz you my address. Thanks again.
( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:17, Reply)

Found and packaged
it was lying next to the Origin of the Species down the side of my sisters bed
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:26, Reply)

There is VAT on ebooks & not on printed ones. Which doesn't help.
I love my kindle.
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:05, Reply)

fuck your kindle, dude
fuck ALL the kindles
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:07, Reply)

The best thing is that I can read & turn pages with one hand whilst holding the baby with the other

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:14, Reply)

sorry battered, but I've chosen not to contribute to this thread

(Quinton had to abandon other account as i broke it, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:32, Reply)

Glad to have been a help here

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:39, Reply)

Fuck Yeah
Just got a ticket to see Mastodon at Brixton Academy in February.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:57, Reply)

I always read Mastodon as mastitis.

( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 10:58, Reply)

You're obsessed with breasts
and breast related ailments.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:03, Reply)

I blame B3ta.
I hated breasts before I came here.
( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:04, Reply)

Don't let broadsword hear you say that

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:07, Reply)

He's been instrumental in me loving my breasts.
I owe him one.
( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:08, Reply)

one two
surely?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:09, Reply)

She's not THAT grateful

( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:11, Reply)

Fuck Yeah!
um...who?
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:05, Reply)

Rock band
Very, very good on record.

I'm considering going to see them for the 3rd time.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:05, Reply)

Oh.
If they aren't regularly mentioned in Uncut or Mojo, I don't really have a hope of knowing about them.
( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:16, Reply)

Give them a listen
'Crack The Skye' is a fantastic album.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:26, Reply)

Will do.

( scarpe We Stole Bikes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:33, Reply)

Is that the best place to start?
Allmusic rates Leviathan as their best album.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:36, Reply)

Crack the SKye is probably more accessible
unless you really, really like technical thrash metal already. In which case start with Blood Mountain, then Leviathan, then Crack the Skye.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:38, Reply)

^^This

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:43, Reply)

Accessibility isn't the most important thing
I'm old, so thrash to me is Metallica/Anthrax/Slayer. If it follows in that lineage then I'll take your suggested route.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:45, Reply)

It's more progressive than that. but still good.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:51, Reply)

Nice!
I'm considering going to see them again, just because I feel I've missed out by not enjoying them the last 2 times.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:06, Reply)

or twice, even?

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:07, Reply)

The last twice?

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:08, Reply)

meh

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:11, Reply)

Books are expensive.

I saw Ways of Seeing for nine quid. Even my love of John Berger couldn't lift my wallet from my pocket.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:19, Reply)

Tis a classic and maybe not to easy to get hold of.
I don't know if it's still in print.
( girlinthehole, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:24, Reply)

it is in print.
Reissued.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 13 Oct 2011, 11:26, Reply)