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(, Sun 1 Apr 2001, 1:00)
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I saw on the cover of Ok, or some such shit, that Peter Andre can't get it up. Any volunteers to help? Would you tell the world that your winky/vag didn't work if you were paid for it?
alt: trade unions are cunts aren't they?
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 15:53, 207 replies, latest was 14 years ago)
you're not allowed to sack people at a moments notice. It must be true it was on the news and all sort.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 15:54, Reply)
There has been a large scale increase in temporary workers hasn't there?
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 15:56, Reply)
and if they don't then I punch myself in the ear until I stop thinking about things like that.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:00, Reply)
I laugh about that and then talk to people about that at work.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:01, Reply)
and the women played with a dog that was meant to shit on the table, but it didn't shit on the table and they laughed and she has a face like the back end of a bus.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:06, Reply)
but on the other hand, unions make it damn near impossible to sack people who are utterly useless at their jobs. There's got to be some kind of better balance than we currently have.
Also, for all the positive things about unions, one quick dose of RMT and the most left-wing yoghurt knitter starts secretly praying for the return of Thatcher.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:01, Reply)
you would realise that they're talking about him performing on stage, not in the bedroom.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 15:56, Reply)
To ensure turgidity for all Z-list fucktards before nightfall.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:02, Reply)
I heard he's been arrested twice for sneaking under Craig David's covers for a 'check'
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:04, Reply)
some young Radio 1 bint suggested tyhis was awesome, it's nbot it makes him Alan Partridge with more money and a better tan
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:06, Reply)
alt:no, but we've done this conversation before
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:00, Reply)
I hope my fanny never gives up the ghost, but if it did the only person I would tell is a doctor
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:00, Reply)
Union leaders on the other hand tend to be massive cunts. EG: Bob Crow.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:00, Reply)
Change union to corporation and members to shareholders.
Then he's done a great job increasing the value for the shareholders, it's at the expense of the public I agree but compare that to any other utility provider like BP or British gas, they make massive profits for their shareholders at the cost of the public and no one wants their job abolished and corporations banned in law.
/made this argument here before.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:05, Reply)
rather than sit behind the scenes and talks posh so obviously, awful man.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:09, Reply)
but just at the basic levle, because you can't make the changes you have done with union/corporation etc. Because there is no competition in the union sector. Consequently, the public's choice is "accept RMT's blackmail or don't travel" as opposed to "accept British Gas raising the prices or switch to another provider".
Crow and RMT rely on holding the country to hostage because they KNOW there is no alternative for the public. Ergo, blackmailing cunts.
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they just have drivers in because PR surverys suggest the public are more comfortable with a train that has someone sat at the front in a uniform.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:26, Reply)
They'll be out for ages over the Health and Safety implications whenever it is rolled out.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:32, Reply)
dammit rory, i was just going to say that!
hopefully he'll be dead by then. you know. of a heart attack. only when he calls for an ambulance, they're all on strike.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:25, Reply)
You don't have a choice in utilities either, and you know it, the whole thing is as big a cartel as you think the unions are.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:26, Reply)
although you still have a choice, even if it's a minor one.
That doesn't in the slightest bit negate my argument, though, but I can't be arsed to go and change "british gas" to "tesco" so humour me, eh?
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:28, Reply)
Didn't you hear about that report recently where they said the only way you could save money was if you had never ever changed suppliers, if you had, then there was nothing significant between the different utility suppliers.
It's the same as "competition" in the railways, it doesn't exist.
And since Tesco and the other major supermarkets have the stranglehold on most suppliers, the actual difference between them is really minimal, the only way you would make serious savings is to change how you plan your food shopping.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:36, Reply)
either way it doesn't change the incorrectness of the original analogy
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:40, Reply)
because it compares something that is seen as very left wing to something that is right wing. From that you can see the difference in reaction. Anyway an analogy doesn't have to be perfect, it wasn't a direct comparison
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You're seriously suggesting that RMT aren't holding London to ransom every time they strike?
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:30, Reply)
but as Chompy says, the point of the union is to get the best deal for it's members, and it does that very well.
If you were a member of the union, you'd probably be quite pleased with them.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:34, Reply)
and you know it.
And, worryingly for me, I'm in the kind of profession that most needs the protection of a union but I'm not a member precisely because of the kind of cuntery that RMT and occasionally others perform. So, I'm not sure I would be pleased, because I'm not an utterly selfish arsehole.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:36, Reply)
You label unions as selfish aresholes, but you don't think that employers should be able to just fire anyone at a whim. But can't you see that without the threat that unions wouldn't stand for it, the government would happily remove all employment law that benefits the worker over the employer.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:45, Reply)
There are unions that work perfectly well without striking at the drop of a hat, for instance. Unions do, as you point out, exist to look after their member's interest. The problem is when they do it to the direct detriment of everyone apart from their members.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:49, Reply)
would be the government, the union is only meant to consider one side.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:52, Reply)
leaving, say, UNISON unable to get more for nurses or teachers, simply because a tube strike is a more powerful driver, because of the financial damage it does to the economy?
There's only a fixed amount of money. Do you think it's acceptable by the union ethos to fuck over others in the same position simply because they, effectively, have a bigger threatning sword?
And before you say that's the governments problem to find more money - In an ideal world, you'd be entirely correct, but we aren't in an ideal world - you totally accept that when it comes to competition/monopoly of corporations so presumely you accept that here, too?
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:00, Reply)
We're coming at this from different sides, I know you're a lot more right wing that me, certainly when it comes to economics, so it's not surprising we're disagreeing about this.
The government should, in an ideal world, regulate corporations to ensure proper competition (energy suppliers is a good example where I think stronger regulation is needed) and they should negotiate with the unions to ensure that the unions don't use their powers unfairly.
The difference here is that I don't believe the unions are using their powers unfairly, you do, and we aren't going to resolve that, so we might as well stop.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:05, Reply)
not that you accept it's fair. You do accept it happens, you just said so down there.
But otherwise, yes, spot on. Anyway, Chompy's played the Godwin card, so we can shake hands and settle down with our pints. Well played all round.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:08, Reply)
I would struggle to look my employers - by which I mean the long-suffering public - in the eye. They are fucking cunts.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:52, Reply)
and there is no law saying that people working on the underground have to join the RMT or any union.
And it's not as simple as don't travel, it's don't travel as easily. And the idea that if Centrica put their prices up EDF, E.ON and npower won't follow just simply doesn't happen.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:29, Reply)
There is only one public transport system in London. Remove it or hamper it and the public has nothing else to turn to. It's a piss poor analogy and you know it.
If you want an accurate corporation comparison by your analogy of RMT strike action, it would be like British Gas cutting off your personal gas supply until the goverment agreed to pay their shareholders more for supplying the gas.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:34, Reply)
it's six massive corporations who, even if they aren't actually sharing price information, still all keep their prices virtually the same (must be magic).
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(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:40, Reply)
OK, yeah, the world is secretly controlled by a giant lizard cartel who fix the price of everything. Fine. I'm still a little unsure as how this makes the original analogy anything less than wrong?
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:42, Reply)
IT WAS A FUCKING ANALOGY!
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:45, Reply)
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:50, Reply)
There has been a government report out that has shown that there is no significant difference between what you pay between different gas and electricity companies, and that they are actively trying to make it confusing for the consumer.
Now, that is just capitalism in action, I'm not saying it's a conspiracy, it's just how big corporations work, they want to take as much money off people as possible, and they do that by maboozeling the customer and relying on them not noticing that prices are creeping up, they don't have to conspire together.
The fact that all the prices are the same simply demonstrates that there is no competition in the market.
But I disagree, the analogy isn't wrong, the union exists to help it's members. It's members are doing well so the union is doing it's job.
Corporations exist to make money for shareholders, they make money any way the legally (or illegally if the punishment means it's more cost effective) can.
Large corporations will do anything they can to avoid any more regulation, which is why the CBI always pipe up when anyone talks about it.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:50, Reply)
they would charge much more. That's also capitalism in action. the prices all being the same might indicate not enough competion. It doesn't indicate none. The choices might be minimal, but there is some choice. There is, however, no option/competition/choice/call it what the fuck you like for "people who drive tube trains in london".
Nothing about the rest of what you've said is untrue, and I'm not going to argue with it at all, but it's got nowt to do with the original point.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:55, Reply)
your cries of "tinfoil hat" are totally unjustified.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:00, Reply)
to deflect the direction of the discussion. I just went for a throwaway game-upper.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:02, Reply)
You totally win. I've been waiting for this for ten minutes. This is the problem with internet debate. It can only be settled by Godwin's Law.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:06, Reply)
I've continued the original discussion elsewhere, I just take umbridge at your unjustified attempt to portray me as an idiot for believing in non existent conspiracies.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:06, Reply)
maybe of perspective occasionally. Anyway, I hereby withdraw any previous accusations of a foil or lizard nature.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:12, Reply)
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:15, Reply)
Weeeeeelll... Robert Crow is a cock, he's a big fat cock, he's the biggest cock in whole god damn world, if ever there was a cock, robert would be that cock, he's the biggest cock to the boys and girls.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:26, Reply)
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:33, Reply)
It's another check and balance, increasing the stability of a large organisation which is good in the long run.
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Or getting them in with immigration officials striking.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:13, Reply)
Every person has the right to withdraw their labour.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:14, Reply)
if you want to get paid more, stop being useless and get promoted, move to the private sector etc
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:15, Reply)
and he may have written a book, but he was talking about the "unsung heroes" in afganistan, the mechanic who works 12 hours shifts in 50 degree heat, and said "then you hear about students and civil servants on strike and you think, they've not got is so bad, they should get on with their jobs".
I thought he was a stupid cunt.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:17, Reply)
You're not a slave to the employer, you're legally exchanging your labour for money within a set guideline.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:18, Reply)
either you accept that union leaders are required so that unions can actually exist, even if they occasionally inconvenience you when supporting their members interests, or you don't think unions are a good idea and therefore striking is just someone not turning up for work, which should be a sackable offence.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:15, Reply)
There are certain union leaders, such as Bob Crow and Dave Prentis, who fuck me off.
They are more interested in politics than helping union members (yes I know that government policy directly impacts the rights of union members and the leaders role includes an element of political influence), see Prentis during the labour leadership election as an example.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:20, Reply)
or when the government is trying to change the law to deprive their members of their rights, and they do a good job since their members are doing alright because of them.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:22, Reply)
and "another flimsy reason to hold various parts of the country to ransom"
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:25, Reply)
and "what the actual reason for any given dispute is".
Since the papers never actually give the full facts you cannot possibly make that statement.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:28, Reply)
in a lot of cases, oh yes I can.
not all, I accept, but enough for me to be comfortable in RMT cuntishness.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:44, Reply)
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:53, Reply)
timed just around oh let's see now...the start of the fucking summer holidays. Cunts.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:28, Reply)
initially quite a few of them had sympathy with the tube drivers. but the RMT has called strikes too many times. people now look at their salaries, holidays, job security, and think, hmmmmm what the fuck are they whining about.
when if they had kept it for the really big issues, they'd still have more public support.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:29, Reply)
they are there to represent their members, and they do it well.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:32, Reply)
who are there to serve the public, whatever else you want to say.
london depends on the transport network, for people's jobs, social lives, tourism... all of which pump money into the economy.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:48, Reply)
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I was charged with shoplifting on two counts!
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:18, Reply)
They all seem as bad as each other to me.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:05, Reply)
Once Gove has turned over all the schools to the private sector, they won't be recognising teaching unions.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:08, Reply)
if nothing else it covers you for if you get accused of something by a student...well unless you actual did nonce the kids up.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:08, Reply)
so you might end up in Nasuwt. But then as a teacher, you should definitely be in a union in case of any allegations against you, then you'll be grateful of the legal support
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(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:13, Reply)
I didn't know you were a bald ginger, no wonder you're so angry all the time. Contradicted yourself much recently ginge?
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:14, Reply)
are you discriminating against spiders who have less than eight legs? you lot need to not be so literal all the time and explore the possibilities. No wonder so many of you are bitter internet shut-ins.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:18, Reply)
Any thing we can do to help? Cup of tea? Massage? Play some soothing music?
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:23, Reply)
a foreign country is a pain. Lesson sorted though.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:32, Reply)
"Nah, don't worry about learning the correct grammar, nobody cares if you get it right or not, as long as it's near it's fine"
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:24, Reply)
www.b3ta.com/questions/offtopic/post1403967
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:25, Reply)
those who can't teach PE become recruiters.
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(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:27, Reply)
it must be hard to face reality sometimes.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:21, Reply)
Go on then, where have I contradicted myself recently then, since you've got yourself all worked up about it?
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talk utter horse shit most of the time and play devils advocate just for a bit of attention. I'm losing weight, you're still a douche.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:34, Reply)
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:48, Reply)
Wow Andy, that's fucking brilliant if you did, you managed to make no difference to my holiday plans at all if that's what happened.
Go on, play the smug superior card, tell me what I should have "worked out", make me feel small.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:55, Reply)
That's Churchill, if I'm not mistaken?
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:51, Reply)
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:13, Reply)
After a few years, it might be worth beating/noncing a kid up just to get your money's worth out of the subs
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They hopefully cover drugs mules and gangster molls as well
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if I did I'd make this home.earthlink.net/~smcclune/stewpot/recipe_savillum.html
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'Hey guys, lets all be LOL WAKI and do a team Mowvember' email.
I said no.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 16:12, Reply)
All that 'oh no she'd stopped all that' stuff was bullshit. What a surprise. I'm met her ex-husband who is a total, total prick, and been served by her in the Hawley Arms, she seemed fucking deranged and extremely common but basically nice.
In other 3rd-rate namedrop news, I was at a party for a pal's clothing business about a year ago, and there was a live PA by a sweaty ginger cunt who sounded like Craig David. He was shit but a very pleasant young chap. I realised that for the first time in my life I was outnumbered by gingers as my pal Yeti, my other pal Shaun and this boy were all rangas.
I saw this boy in the paper yesterday - his name is Ed Sheeran and I understand he's doing rather well for himself. He's shit.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:00, Reply)
Suck my namedropping dick.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:04, Reply)
while I was pressed up against the door without a seat. HOW THE OTHER HALF LIVE EH BOYCE?
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:07, Reply)
I know he does that 'Great Railway Journeys' show, but i don't think Shoeburyness to Fenchurch Street counts.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:06, Reply)
her minder said she hadn't had anything to drink for a while, until the day before she died.
I reckon it was one last, massive splurge that did her in.
Ed Sheeran sounds like a girl
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:04, Reply)
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:05, Reply)
hahahahahhahhhaaahahha I'm joking I don't bother to read that sort of bollocks.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:06, Reply)
not really
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:07, Reply)
So not bullshit. It's hard.
There but for the grace of god, etc.
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She was shit at everything
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:10, Reply)
I laughed at this so I'm afraid I'm going to have to kill myself now.
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:16, Reply)
Pitches be drippin'
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:18, Reply)
Ditches be grippin'
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:19, Reply)
Witches be dippin'
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:20, Reply)
switches be slippin'
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:23, Reply)
snitches be flippin'
(, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 17:24, Reply)
Liches by Skippin'
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-E must try harder
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