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	BooksDo any books completely catch your imagination? There are a few books I've read, that will always read over at least once every other year. I get totally loss in them, completely consumed by the story.
These are a few of them
- www.amazon.co.uk/The-Magicians-Lev-Grossman/dp/0099534444/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1360238969&sr=1-1-catcorr
- www.amazon.co.uk/The-Magician-King-Lev-Grossman/dp/0099553465/ref=sr_1_cc_2?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1360238969&sr=1-2-catcorr
- www.amazon.co.uk/K-Pax-Trilogy-featuring-Omnibus-Featuring/dp/074756695X/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1360239029&sr=8-4
- www.amazon.co.uk/Messiah-Boris-Starling/dp/0006512046/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1360239048&sr=1-2
Do you have any books like that?
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:14, 162 replies, latest was 13 years ago)
 I've opened them all with my account logged in
	I've opened them all with my account logged inI am capable of coping with an email from Amazon.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:20, Reply)
 I find your attitude to be somewhat disrespectful.
	I find your attitude to be somewhat disrespectful.You're right about the emails though, in fact they even have the facility for you to request never any from them ever again.
I'm more concerned about my 'recent history' bit and the recommendations that pop up on the page when I visit.
Particularly since AB linked to a load of dodgy 'erotic incest' fiction.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:26, Reply)
 Woah I ain't got beef with the 5-0
	Woah I ain't got beef with the 5-0Yeah well what happens is they email me and I go 'ok never mind' and just delete it or something, because I don't understand why getting an email is so upsetting, but I don't really understand people at the best of time, sorry, didn't mean to be rude, love you loads, xx
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:30, Reply)
 British people tend to get uptight about a lot of unnecessary things.
	British people tend to get uptight about a lot of unnecessary things.We could do with being a bit more like Irish guys like you.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:34, Reply)
 Yeah', but only by a saddo who only looks up test-tubes and bunson burners on amazon so nobody knows he has true deep honest feelings about female-music.
	Yeah', but only by a saddo who only looks up test-tubes and bunson burners on amazon so nobody knows he has true deep honest feelings about female-music.(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:19, Reply)
 I really enjoy Peter F. Hamilton and I think I could read the Void Trilogy forever
	I really enjoy Peter F. Hamilton and I think I could read the Void Trilogy foreverSame for a couple of the Culture books by Iain M. Banks and some Alastair Reynolds books.
I tend to re-read a lot of books though, especially if I just fancy an easy read, like Pratchett stuff. I know it's popular now to rag on Pratchett but some of the Guard books are brillo in my opinion (sorry everyone I don't mean to offend)
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:19, Reply)
 It's always been popular, Pratchett is shit and needs to shit off off to dignitas
	It's always been popular, Pratchett is shit and needs to shit off off to dignitas(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:20, Reply)
 I'm going to put this here
	I'm going to put this herealexcomex.tumblr.com/post/42499771934/been-very-tired-and-shit-the-last-few-days-bed
I hope that sates the hordes
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:23, Reply)
 Have you read any of Tom Holt? I quite like his stuff.
	Have you read any of Tom Holt? I quite like his stuff.I don't know the first three, what sort of stuff is it about?
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:26, Reply)
 I read one of his, quite liked it but it's been ages and I think it wasn't the first of the series
	I read one of his, quite liked it but it's been ages and I think it wasn't the first of the seriesThe Void Trilogy is a follow up to the Commonwealth Saga, far future sci-fi stuff, about a void at the centre of the galaxy which goes through periods of expansion and is also worshipped by a human cult.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:28, Reply)
 Is it worth watching that commonwealth one first? whats the first one of those?
	Is it worth watching that commonwealth one first? whats the first one of those?(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:30, Reply)
 I didn't enjoy the Commonwealth Saga as much (just cos one aspect of the story annoyed me, seemed a bit 'magical quest', off we go to save the world diddle dee nonsense)
	I didn't enjoy the Commonwealth Saga as much (just cos one aspect of the story annoyed me, seemed a bit 'magical quest', off we go to save the world diddle dee nonsense)But yeah they're probably worth going through first, still good books, just didn't like them as much as the latter 3.
www.amazon.co.uk/Pandoras-Star-Commonwealth-Saga-1/dp/0330518917/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360240365&sr=8-1
www.amazon.co.uk/Judas-Unchained-Commonwealth-Saga-2/dp/0330518909/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1360240365&sr=8-2
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:33, Reply)
 I've only read the Night's Dawn trilogy of his,
	I've only read the Night's Dawn trilogy of his,I liked them but every time I look at how thick they are I think of all the other things I could be doing.
I also enjoyed the revelation space trilogy. Ithink I'm just a sucker for trilogies
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:02, Reply)
 Y'know there are so many books that I haven't read yet, that I couldn't waste time re-reading any.
	Y'know there are so many books that I haven't read yet, that I couldn't waste time re-reading any.I realised only yesterday that I barely have any time in my life to read books at the moment.
This is not a good thing.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:19, Reply)
 The Prisoner of Zenda. Read that when I was about twelve.
	The Prisoner of Zenda. Read that when I was about twelve.I love reading, though. Total book nerd.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:21, Reply)
 Guy Gavriel Kay's Tigana is a cracking book
	Guy Gavriel Kay's Tigana is a cracking bookMost of the ones I re-read are the sort that romp along, you enjoy it while you're reading and then put it down and forget it. Jack Campbell's The Lost Fleet series are good for that.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:26, Reply)
 I am enjoying Twelve by Jasper Kent at the moment
	I am enjoying Twelve by Jasper Kent at the momentVampires and stuff in Napoleon's advance to Moscow. You should read it.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:35, Reply)
 loads.
	loads.Lolita
The Catcher in the Rye
The Informers
Naked Lunch
A Clockwork Orange
Trainspotting
Heart of Darkness
The Crying of Lot 49
The Atrocity Exhibition
I never get tired of these. Ever.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:37, Reply)
 you're such a shit bully
	you're such a shit bullyThat you take a perfectly inoffensive list of well-known books and make a derogatory comment.
None of those books are obscure or alternative. If you haven't heard of some of them then it says far more about you than it does me.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:43, Reply)
 Catcher in the Rye can shit off.
	Catcher in the Rye can shit off.Stupid hippy 'no-one understands me' teenager.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:49, Reply)
 I didn't read it until I was 19 or so.
	I didn't read it until I was 19 or so.I love the writing, nothing to do with emo shit. I'm a sucker for postwar American fiction anyway- my favourite author is William Burroughs. I got really excited when And The Hippos...was published.
I'm a literature geek.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:52, Reply)
 Fuck off, you "love the writing" bollocks. That's like saying you "love the brushstrokes" of a painting.
	Fuck off, you "love the writing" bollocks. That's like saying you "love the brushstrokes" of a painting.A shit story is a shit story is a shit story, doess't matter if it's "well written". You sound like my english teacher "But can you at least appreciate it's well written?" No actually, if the story doesn't interest me at all, or in the case of Catcher in the Rye, is FUCKING SHIT, then no, the writing can fucking shit off and do one like your dead hamster.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:59, Reply)
 no, the point of fiction isn't necessarily to tell a story.
	no, the point of fiction isn't necessarily to tell a story.And I do love the writing. When I read Underworld for the first time there was a sentence in there which was that beautiful that I had to email it to an equally nerdy mate.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:03, Reply)
 The point of Catcher in the Rye is a story. That's all, it's not magic realism, which I can appreciate doesn't tell a linear tale
	The point of Catcher in the Rye is a story. That's all, it's not magic realism, which I can appreciate doesn't tell a linear taleit's just a story about a character who is cunt with no redeeming features, and before you start I don't expect to love all characters to like the story, but he doesn't do anything either. THe story is a shit unlikeable cunt thinks he's better than he is, he leaves home, he gets punched by a pimp for being a cunt and he goes home again. That's it.
There is nothing more to the writing.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:06, Reply)
 It would probably be different if he was presented as an anti-hero.
	It would probably be different if he was presented as an anti-hero.But he isn't even one of them.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:08, Reply)
 I want to see Dozer defend it without using the term "post-modern".
	I want to see Dozer defend it without using the term "post-modern".(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:09, Reply)
 I want to see Dozer defend it without every single thing he posts coming out like "I'm a fucking retard with a pet that should only be kept by a six year old"
	I want to see Dozer defend it without every single thing he posts coming out like "I'm a fucking retard with a pet that should only be kept by a six year old"(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:10, Reply)
 With you all the way on this one, b3th.
	With you all the way on this one, b3th.I found Holden Caulfield to be such an irritating prick.
I can see why dozer likes him though.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:52, Reply)
 Every society has literature like that.
	Every society has literature like that.I read quite a few German and French ones at uni.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:54, Reply)
 I liked Evan Dorkin's Fisher Price Theater version better than the real one.
	I liked Evan Dorkin's Fisher Price Theater version better than the real one.cardhouse.com/x07/catcher1.htm
See also: Of Mice And Men. "The moral of this story is NEVER find work for your friends"
cardhouse.com/x12/mice.htm
cardhouse.com/x10/lottery.htm
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:56, Reply)
 Ha I like that.
	Ha I like that.Couldn't bring myself to read all of the Catcher one though.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:02, Reply)
 he is indeed a prick
	he is indeed a prickBut I'm able to separate my feelings about a character from an admiration of the text as a whole. For instance, Lolita herself is a manipulative, sex-obsessed bitch with no redeeming features, but the book itself is absolutely wonderful.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:56, Reply)
 Again, shit the fuck off "admiration of the text as a whole" why paint some sonic pictures with achingly beautiful music while you're at it.
	Again, shit the fuck off "admiration of the text as a whole" why paint some sonic pictures with achingly beautiful music while you're at it.(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:00, Reply)
 again
	againYou seem to have a real issue with books that aren't meat and potatoes, linear stories. I find that pretty funny.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:05, Reply)
 yeah I read that you patronising ignorant cockwipe
	yeah I read that you patronising ignorant cockwipeGotta get back to work now, we can share our views on Jack Reacher and his alpha-male fantasy fulfillment dogshit later, yeah?
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:10, Reply)
 Voltaire: Candide.
	Voltaire: Candide.Anton LaVey: The Satanic Bible.
Machiavelli: The Prince.
Adolf Hitler: Mein Kampf.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:41, Reply)
 Apparantly Clockwork Angels by Rush is an 'homage' to it and the novelisation by Kevin J Anderson is 'essentially the same story'.
	Apparantly Clockwork Angels by Rush is an 'homage' to it and the novelisation by Kevin J Anderson is 'essentially the same story'.To which I say "UTTER BOLLOCKS!"
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:48, Reply)
 I can read The Stand over and over again.
	I can read The Stand over and over again.And a couple I read as a young'un, by Diana Wynn Jones, who writes young'uns literature.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:47, Reply)
 I haven't read any Stephen King in years.
	I haven't read any Stephen King in years.Great storyteller, shit author.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:49, Reply)
 The only book I've been able to read in years was Cell.
	The only book I've been able to read in years was Cell.Either because it was about zombies, or because it was short.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:51, Reply)
 My kid has that, with fucking Lewis off of Inspector Morse reading it on an accompanying CD.
	My kid has that, with fucking Lewis off of Inspector Morse reading it on an accompanying CD.I do like Cat in the Hat.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:53, Reply)
 I really can't stand this trend of an accompanying CD with some prick reading the story.
	I really can't stand this trend of an accompanying CD with some prick reading the story.(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:57, Reply)
 it's so the parents don't have to bother reading the story themselves
	it's so the parents don't have to bother reading the story themselves(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:01, Reply)
 I also don't get this. I'm well looking forward to it.
	I also don't get this. I'm well looking forward to it.I love reading to other people's kids and I'm not even a paedo.
Well, maybe a little bit. Damn those sexy kids.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:16, Reply)
 Damn right
	Damn rightMy kid's Cat in the Hat had a CD with Adrian 'never, ever been even slightly funny or good in his life' Edmondson reading it. I binned it - I'll read it out, thank you 'Vyvyan'
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:03, Reply)
 "And then Spot's second ball.
	"And then Spot's second ball.Then the vet said 'That's sixty pounds, please. Don't let him lick the stitches.'"
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:52, Reply)
 She: H Rider Haggard
	She: H Rider HaggardAlso Brave New World.
I don't like any books about middle aged men fantasising about vulnerable teenage girls.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:54, Reply)
 That's a shame, it's a really good book.
	That's a shame, it's a really good book.Still got a copy to this day.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:58, Reply)
 Oooh, while we're talking about foreign literature,
	Oooh, while we're talking about foreign literature,'Und sagte kein einziges Wort' by Heinrich Böll is excellent.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 12:59, Reply)
 I think Crime and Punishment is ones of the best books I have ever read.
	I think Crime and Punishment is ones of the best books I have ever read.(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:00, Reply)
 You don't know what you're missing.
	You don't know what you're missing.SPACE NAZIS Monty.
SPACE NAZIS.
:D
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:12, Reply)
 That's MOON NAZIS dumkopf.
	That's MOON NAZIS dumkopf.Mind, if I wasn't working I'd be off to Berlin this weekend for the premiere of the extended edition.
Also:
store.ironsky.net/product/91/drei-wolf-mond--shirt
:D
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:21, Reply)
 I read Good Soldier Svejk, it's a foreign book
	I read Good Soldier Svejk, it's a foreign bookI got bored 2/3 of the way through, I will never be cultured :(
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:05, Reply)
 Pretty much anything by James Herbert, Brian Jacques, and J K Rowling (fuck you, I like them)
	Pretty much anything by James Herbert, Brian Jacques, and J K Rowling (fuck you, I like them)Whilst I do like Terry Pratchett, the difference between his good books and his bad books is staggering (and before Monty et al say anything about his going doolally, he wrote most of these before that).
I used to enjoy Dan Brown's books, until my brother pointed out a few issues with the way he writes, and the fact it's clear he's massively up his own arse. Now I can't stand them.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:00, Reply)
 I read two Dan Brown books, but I wouldn't say I enjoyed them
	I read two Dan Brown books, but I wouldn't say I enjoyed themI just wanted to see what the fuss was about. They were adequately paced thrillers but they were nothing special.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:02, Reply)
 I read two of them as well.
	I read two of them as well.They seemed to me to be neither as bad nor as good as people made them out to be. I mean, he's no Jeffrey Archer.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:05, Reply)
 This is very true
	This is very truewith the exception of The Lost Symbol. I defy you to get even a quarter of the way through that before chucking the fucking thing out of a window.
Still, a lot further than my record, which is a page and a half of 50 Shades of Grey, before I flung it across the room.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:12, Reply)
 I picked up the first one because I didn't realise it was going to be a novel.
	I picked up the first one because I didn't realise it was going to be a novel.I'd already read all the non-fiction works referenced in the book, so I was quite interested in the story.
Then I read the Angels and Demons one while the actual Papal elections were going on, and I found that aspect quite interesting.
I read the other two because I'm a completist. Still couldn't manage the newest one, though.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:06, Reply)
 I downloaded it without Dan Browns permission (didn't steal it though)
	I downloaded it without Dan Browns permission (didn't steal it though)but I havne't read it. I'm too bust ploughing through Jack Reacher. It's got to the stage where I'm reading them to completeness sake. I've kind of stopped enjoying them so much, though they are still relatively gripping.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:08, Reply)
 It's no good now, but I wish I'd done it ten years ago
	It's no good now, but I wish I'd done it ten years agoalthough that would mean no daugher so probably that's a bit fucked up
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:17, Reply)
 You mean you won't even go back in time to help him out?
	You mean you won't even go back in time to help him out?Some friend you are...
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:25, Reply)
 I would
	I wouldbut my rudimentary grasp of time travel would suggest he'd still have no daughter if I did that.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:33, Reply)
 Soon geriatric posters like you and I will be taken around the back of the barn and shot.
	Soon geriatric posters like you and I will be taken around the back of the barn and shot.(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:18, Reply)
 Yeah I read Holy Blood and Holy Grail and all them shits in the 80s
	Yeah I read Holy Blood and Holy Grail and all them shits in the 80s(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:09, Reply)
 God me too!!!!!
	God me too!!!!!Have you read this one?
www.amazon.co.uk/Novice-First-Dan-Interpretation-Association/dp/0720711037/ref=ntt_at_ep_dpt_2
It's easily his best. Unputdownable.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:09, Reply)
 Clive Cussler's back catalogue.
	Clive Cussler's back catalogue.That one they made into a film? Sahara. Wow. Just...wow.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:06, Reply)
 What?
	What?They shot down a helicopter using a two hundred and fifty year old cannon!
This is despite EVERYONE knowing that cannon lasted only a few years before contemporaries would declare them unfit for service due to increasing risk of barrel splits. How lucky was that???!!
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:13, Reply)
 Turns out all the king's horses and all the king's men could put it together again.
	Turns out all the king's horses and all the king's men could put it together again.(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:15, Reply)
 To be fair, there's not a lot of helicopters
	To be fair, there's not a lot of helicoptersthat wouldn't get shot down if they got hit by a ballistic twelve pound iron ball.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:16, Reply)
 Two authors I (so far) can read pretty much anything by are George Orwell and John Steinbeck.
	Two authors I (so far) can read pretty much anything by are George Orwell and John Steinbeck.Orwell can even tell me how he makes a cup of tea and I like it.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:18, Reply)
 So you love Bo Duke.
	So you love Bo Duke.I'll bet you like Luke and Uncle Jessie as well you bender.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:31, Reply)
 1) Of  course I did it on purpose.
	1) Of  course I did it on purpose.2) More importantly. Three years, not two. (well, three years if I don't go all Gazza between now and 14 February).
OK, as you were, sorry for the interuption.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:29, Reply)
 I knew what you meant.
	I knew what you meant.and I guess it was two years the last time you mentioned it.
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:40, Reply)
 Weaveworld by Clive Barker
	Weaveworld by Clive Barkersprings to mind.....there are hundreds of novels I have read and enjoyed and I am terrible at throwing them away.
Robert Rankin always good for an evening read....
(, Thu 7 Feb 2013, 13:32, Reply)
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