just had to kit myself out for skiing
being a ski virgin, I have borrowed the expensive stuff, but still needed fleecy pants, tops, snow boots etc. I am going to look like a total twat (although my hot tuna gloves and hat are secretly pleasing me). when did you last look like a total twat? or see a total twat?

alt: when did you last have to spend money on something you rather resented?

altalt: would you ever go for therapy? or do you think anyone who sees a therapist needs his head examined?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:14, 262 replies, latest was 11 years ago)

Fleecy pants?
I think you'll be more comfy in waterproof salopettes
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:17, Reply)

ah no, i've borrowed those from a friend - she's lent me a really nice pair
I just meant little fleecy leggings to go underneath.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:18, Reply)

long johns?
Go to M&S.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:18, Reply)

Or jsut wear tights.
You don't need fleece tights, you'll be plenty warm enough learning to ski.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:19, Reply)

these were £6 (reduced from £30, thanks sports direct and your perma-sale) so i will take tights as well
if the fleece things are too hot, i can stick to the tights (nice image for you)
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:23, Reply)

btw, all sorted for kristine to stay in the famous spare room when she comes over - wooooooo!

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:23, Reply)

Oh sweet, she did say she had messaged you, thanks for that, I'm sure it'll make her trip a lot more enjoyable.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:24, Reply)

She knows they are coming back slashed to fuck, yeah?

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:26, Reply)

frankly if they don't split when i bend over, i'll be happy

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:30, Reply)

nah, it's the slashes all up the inside of the legs when you're rocking it steep and deep you should be worried about.
Or the blood of small children on them.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:32, Reply)

i am pretty sure i'll get minced up by toddlers dashing past me on the nursery slopes :(

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:39, Reply)

You can't hold your head up properly in an apres bar until you've made a snowboarder bleed
and been screamed at by an ESF kids instructor for fucking up a lesson
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:44, Reply)

Snowball please meet Hell

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:32, Reply)

Skiing is an expensive hobby.
Borrow absolutely everything until you've found out if you like it.

It's like golf and scuba diving. No point in having all the gear and no idea.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:20, Reply)

Much better to have no gear and no idea

(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:21, Reply)

Or a game gear and an eye of dear

(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:21, Reply)

Also, if you wait until April (presuming you enjoy it)
all the knobbers that bought gear for a holiday that didn't enjoy it, will be selling their stuff on ebay.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:23, Reply)

I need to go to the outlet centre and get myself some new salopettes
Should I go for ones with braces or jsut invest in some kind of big skiing belt?
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:26, Reply)

Braces. Always.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:27, Reply)

Thought so.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:33, Reply)

Braces or GTFO.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:32, Reply)

Reminds me, I haven't checked the local TK Maxx's for ski gear yet this year.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:34, Reply)

The only problem I have is that if I have the braces loose they fall off my shoulders, but if I tighten them
the crotch of my trousers cuts me in half.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:34, Reply)

Kegel exercises will tighten your baggy vag

( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:36, Reply)

cross the braces over front and back.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:38, Reply)

^this

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:40, Reply)

i have a very good idea
I am going to hate it and I am going to suck. i don't like falling over and i don't like being cold. meh!

but the stuff I've bought i would wear for walking around in the snow, so not a disaster.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:22, Reply)

I'm not in the least bit sporty and I rather enjoyed skiing.
And you and I are so alike...
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:24, Reply)

I remember when I met you thinking that you could almost be twins

(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:26, Reply)

it's the beard

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:30, Reply)

Alt: parking fine because it was my own stupid fault.
altalt: been there, done that. It was most helpful.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:22, Reply)

did you not see the double yellows?

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:23, Reply)

I was with the car, keeping an eye out for the warden.
Got done by a camera.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:24, Reply)

bastards
fuck off and catch some criminals. why is it that i was 2 days late with my tax and i got a fine, but the police couldn't spot the cunt who broke into it?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:31, Reply)

Lazy coppering.
There must also be something in the law about facing your accuser?
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:41, Reply)

£28.50 on a shit film at the cinema

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:24, Reply)

Robbed.
3D IMAX or a hotdog with your ticket?
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:29, Reply)

Nothing special about it at all, that was for two though.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:31, Reply)

I look like a total twat 7 days a week without any external help
Alt:
I've just bought a calendar for £5.99

AltAlt:
Probably not, no
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:26, Reply)

Hot tuna gloves? Is this a colour or a kind of thing?
I've seen a lot of folk milling about in flip flops in Autumn/Winter without a hint of irony.

Alt. Nothing lately but this year I am making a lot of home improvements that will surely make a dent.

alt. I can see the benefits of telling your deepest secrets to a complete stranger but it's not for me. Definitely not in a group situation.
I'm the go to guy for an honest opinion from a lot of mates (poor them, eh?!). Maybe I should start charging...
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:27, Reply)

Why would that be ironic?

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:28, Reply)

Ask Alanis.
She didn't know what it was either.
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:30, Reply)

It was post-ironic.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:30, Reply)

here's irony for you.
I got an A* in English Lit and Language!
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:30, Reply)

And why is that ironic? At 16 you were able to attain a level of knowledge to pass an exam which has dwindled due to your later years being a haze of bumming and drugs.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:34, Reply)

Well when you put it like that...

( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:37, Reply)

Hot Tuna are a manufacturer of cheap ski gear.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:31, Reply)

yeah but... pink trim
also £25 for a pair of gloves is not cheap, the thieving cuntbags. i liked the helie hanson pair in blacks, but they were £45. fuck that, that's a blow-dry!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:32, Reply)

For ski gloves
trust me, it fucking is.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:33, Reply)

i've got fleece inner gloves as well
how cold can it be?!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:34, Reply)

Very, if they get wet
and they get wet from the inside and from the outside.

I'm messing with you, they'll be fine, but good ski gloves that are waterproof and breatheable are an important thing if you do it more regularly, but y'know ... buy them in the sales, like everything else.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:37, Reply)

i think the prospects of me going again are a lot slimmer than i am
but we'll see. i am irritated that 3 days of extras like ski passes etc is all adding up - i could have gone to the Caribbean for a whole fucking week for this!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:38, Reply)

it's worth it.
even for a povvo like me.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:39, Reply)

will there be white sand and turquoise sea and palm trees??

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:40, Reply)

no, there will be white snow and sun and stunning mountain scenery and log fires and BOOZE.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:42, Reply)

humph
actually the social side of things sounds amazing. and even the chalet has a hot tub and pool table and table tennis etc. it's just the actual frightening steep slopey things...
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:43, Reply)

green and blue slopes are NOT steep. They really aren't.
It'll take a while to get used to it but persevere. It's the one thing I've come across that almost everyone enjoys once they can do it, regardless of other sporting abilites.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:46, Reply)

thank you, let's hope you're right... we're off up to the one in milton keynes tonight for a practice
that'll be kill or cure!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:48, Reply)

Allow me to demonstrate steep vs not steep.
Black, unpisted, mogul field. NOT FOR SWIPE

Itinerary off piste NOT FOR SWIPE

Nice blue piste FOR SWIPE

Greens will be less steep than the entirely flat last picture. You'll be fine.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:58, Reply)

I imagine it being like this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtBZAK2d1k4
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:01, Reply)

it still looks big
and scary and like it's too late to change your mind once you're at the top.

i wish we were going rollercoastering instead
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:03, Reply)

Have a go, and if it's not for you, go round on the ski lift with some vodka.

( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:04, Reply)

ok now THAT sounds good

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:05, Reply)

No. But the hotels and lodges etc are nice and
the nightlife is a laugh.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:42, Reply)

i am trying to picture you skiing in a straight line
pics please
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:43, Reply)

started when I was a nipper.
army, innit.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:52, Reply)

n STR
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:03, Reply)

Cold enough to have almost constant snow on the ground?

( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:37, Reply)

well played that man.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:42, Reply)

It's currently freeze-thaw conditions in Courcheval
You won't need much stuff, certainly nothing under your salopettes unless you're some kind of circulation wrong

Is it tomorrow you are off? looks like it'll be sunny. Which is nice.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:30, Reply)

you know what i eat, on a january detox, right?
how good do you think my circulation is?!

thank you - good to know. we go next thu, so I've been told snow is forecast for tue-thu...... i have sunglasses AND goggles, just in case...
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:33, Reply)

Get a helmet.
or rent one.

Serioulsy, they are so much better than hats for keeping your head warm and they really do help when you fall down.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:35, Reply)

I've already nagged her about this.
So hopefully she'll listen to one of us.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:38, Reply)

i've already hired a helmet, along with the skis etc
i was going to wear the hat under it, more because i don't know who else has been sweating into the helmet than anything else... it's only a little woollen one.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:39, Reply)

don't wear a hat under a helmet, it won't fit properly
get a helmet liner. They cost fuck all, even in resort.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:40, Reply)

ok.........
but what about my hair???
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:40, Reply)

if you're worried about your hair
don't wear a helment.

this is assuming that your hair is more important than your life.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:41, Reply)

Was Michael Schumaker worried about his hair!!!!??????

(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:42, Reply)

His parting probably looks good now

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:44, Reply)

and he is also a redhead
(now anyway)
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:00, Reply)

even you know that even i was joking about that
i think...
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:42, Reply)

...

( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:47, Reply)

TGGI

(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:42, Reply)

Therapists CAN be useful, but a lot of them are up their own arse, no trainin whatsoever twats.
The ones we allow to use our space seem ok, the grief therapist in particular gets a lot of praise. On the other hand we had a feng shui therapist wanting to book a room . Feng shui? Jesus.
(DBT became a fruitarian on, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:46, Reply)

A Grief Therapist?!
Someone who gets over paid for passing tissues and saying "there there, never mind".

I'm in the wrong vocation.
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:48, Reply)

Actually do a lot more than this.
Very helpful actually.
(DBT became a fruitarian on, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:52, Reply)

Yeah, I wasn't being serious...

( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:56, Reply)

What are they doing holding the vigil outside the police station?!
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25668934

Crackers. Some cunt will start trouble when emotions are high.
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:55, Reply)

S'ok, they can just shoot anyone before they commit a crime.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 14:58, Reply)

"sorry boss, I thought that pasty was a gun"

( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:02, Reply)

While I've got very serious concerns about the shooting of a man who was unarmed at that exact instant
It's fucking difficult to occupy any kind of moral high ground when the only reason you are unarmed is becuase you've just thrown your gun out of the car.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:02, Reply)

*dribble*
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ROVER-SD1-V-PLAS-EFI-3500cc-1985-AUTO-GOLD-AC-with-nice-reg-number-/321279800260?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item4acdc4b3c4
( Kroney, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:03, Reply)

Huggy bear called. He wants his "wheels" back.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:06, Reply)

It's right up your street mate, it's even in Jewish Gold.
Plus, chocolate interior!

*bongle*
( Kroney, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:07, Reply)

Chocolate velour upholstery. Niiice.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:13, Reply)

Possibly leather, probably vinyl, definitely class.

( Kroney, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:15, Reply)

WANT.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:09, Reply)

Thought you might, but you hadn't posted yet.
Fucking sexy, isn't it.
( Kroney, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:11, Reply)

Lovely.
I really want this:

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E24-M635-CSi-M6-/121159314334?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1c35a86b9e
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:17, Reply)

This one please
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aston-Martin-DB4-Series-IV-/161143475485
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:19, Reply)

Bargain!

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:20, Reply)

I thought so

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:21, Reply)

That is lovely, old BMWs love to rust. I'd like an E28 M535, myself.

( Kroney, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:19, Reply)

Sit on a nice big cushion and you'll be trucking!

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:19, Reply)

How are you getting on with your Vulva?

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:21, Reply)

He can't start it

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:22, Reply)

it looks like the box that my niece's scooter came in at christmas

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:21, Reply)

You are a fucking idiot.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:22, Reply)

officelol

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:24, Reply)

bmw's are horrible cars anyway
mostly driven by cunts. but that one is particularly boxy and grim.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:39, Reply)

^ THIS ^
i don't know much about him, but it doesn't look as if we lost the cure for AIDS or cancer here...
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:04, Reply)

No, but we lost something here.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:06, Reply)

It isn't really a question of whether the little scrote occupied any kind of moral ground, more the fact that this was found to be a lawful killing.
Taken in the context of policemen never having being held accountable for any deaths at their hands.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:06, Reply)

Shut up.
Are YOU going to be a firearms policeman in Tottenham?

Exactly.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:07, Reply)

I have no desire to kill black people with impunity.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:08, Reply)

blah blah blah
bloo bloo bloo

The Police less successful zzzzzzzzzzzzz
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:11, Reply)

don't bloo so close to me

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:14, Reply)

I'll be watching bloo

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:21, Reply)

Walking on the bloo

( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:23, Reply)

Cant Stand Losing Bloo

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:23, Reply)

Roxanne, Put on the Bloo light

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:29, Reply)

Just 'cos you caught the wrong end of a Peeler's cudgel at your last sab meet.

( Kroney, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:08, Reply)

I have concerns about that.
It should be looked at. But, we don't know the details, the court did, and the court found it to be lawful.

It could be they just shot an unarmed man for no reason.

Or, it could be that they knew he was armed (which was true) and they didn't know he had just thrown the gun away (who knows) and they were nervous and when he went to his pocket to get his phone they thought he was going for a gun and shot him (which is the court's basic finding)

Moral high ground was not the right way for me to put it, I more meant that if you are carrying a gun and the police know you're carrying a gun, then you can't exactly take being shot as a surprising outcome.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:11, Reply)

plus you are a known troublemaker - ok this by itself isn't enough to warrant being shot, but it is an explanation as to why the police were more nervous
he wasn't exactly an innocent 6 year old boy
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:14, Reply)

The court heard the evidence from several police officers who, of course, closed ranks and supported one another.
The jury was always likely to trust the word of one or more police officers.
I probably would too.
Yes Duggan was a wrong'un, but that doesn't mean the policeman with the gun was whiter than white.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:23, Reply)

A jury of Londoners said he was lawfully killed on the evidence.
They probably wish they had your namby pamby wishy washy wavy gravy assumptions to help them.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:28, Reply)

They had a lot of conflicting evidence to sort through though. It certainly wasn't as open and shut as that.

( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:30, Reply)

The court heard evidence from a lot of people, not just the police
I didn't say they were angels. I didn't say they didn't make a mistake. They shot a man who was at the time, unarmed.

What matters, as to whether it's lawful, is whether it was reasonable to presume he was armed, thus making any gesture such as reaching inside a jacket, a potential threat.

You're the police. You knew he started off with a gun. You didn't see him throw the gun. I don't think it's too unreasonable to assume he's probably still got a gun.

Edit: "who, of course, closed ranks and supported one another" ? You've got actual evidence of that? Who's making up things to suit their prejudices now?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:30, Reply)

or another gun in a different pocket
or a mate with a gun. or a knife.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:31, Reply)

That's not a knife.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:00, Reply)

allegedly.
The shot through his chest was a bit haphazard though.
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:06, Reply)

He managed to throw it 30 feet over a wall and they still thought he was armed?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:07, Reply)

Plus he was using his phone just before he was shot and this also looked like a gun.
What was he? Clint Eastend?
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:11, Reply)

well obviously, since they can't have seen it
otherwise they'd have picked the fucking gun up and put it back in his hand, no? Assuming they are the corrupt executioners his lawyer claims they are.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:14, Reply)

if you're carrying one gun
how is it beyond all possibility that you have another weapon somewhere about your person? more likely than someone who ISN'T carrying a gun anyway. again, more reason to make the police jittery.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:16, Reply)

I'm not entirely comfortable with armed officers being 'jittery'

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:19, Reply)

In which case you're not comfortable with anybody human being armed with anything other than flowers and poetry.
Soldiers get "jittery".
( Kroney, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:20, Reply)

My nan gets jittery.
I wouldn't give her a gun either.
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:22, Reply)

No, I am not comfortable with any human being armed.
I'm not a big fan of killing.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:24, Reply)

Well, unluckily for you, lots of humans are really rather fond of it.
Luckily for you, there are people out there willing to try to stop people like them hurting people like you. Occasionally they get it wrong. They're human, it happens.
( Kroney, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:26, Reply)

Despite how it may appear to you, I'm actually in favour of the police and agree that they have an almost impossibly hard job.
But there often needs to be more accountability for their actions - they're human too and will inevitably include that 'one bad apple' amongst their ranks occasionally.
cf. That thug Simon Harwood
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:31, Reply)

See I don't necessarily disagree
but your position here seems to mostly be "I don't like guns, can't they police with kisses?" which is at best idealistic and at worst gayer than Jay up to his elbow in Quentin Crisp.
( Kroney, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:33, Reply)

But don't you think it's incredible that every single time someone has died directly at the hands of the police
it's turned out simply to be an unfortunate mistake that anyone could have made and not the fault of a cunt who enjoyed having the power to either smack people around or shoot them?

That doesn't strike you as at all unlikely?
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:33, Reply)

Police officers killed on duty since 1900 = 248
Members of the public killed by police officers since 1990 = 1476

Number of police officers convicted of a criminal offence following a death in custody since 1990 = 0
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:39, Reply)

See, that's just showing your predjudices
you weren't at any of the 1476 hearings so you can't comment.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:40, Reply)

shame he wasn't at any of the 1476 shootings

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:41, Reply)

Not saying it never happens, just that it's not the factory setting.

( Kroney, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:39, Reply)

Not true
Harwood was found responsible for Ian Tomlinson's death. With de Menezes, the Met were found to be responsible for his death.

So in 2 out of the last 3 high profile police killings in London the police have been found to be responsible. I don't think that represents a particularly insitutionally biased justice system, myself.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:44, Reply)

No one has been convicted for either of those deaths though, have they?
And in both cases there were a lot of lies or misinformation put out by the police.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:49, Reply)

Harwood was tried for manslaugter
and acquitted*. Unless you are telling me the entire UK justice system is prejudiced?

I think there are complications in the Menezes case as to whether you actually CAN prosecute a firearms officer personally. His killing was effectively ruled unlawful and the Met forced to change practice.

*he was acquitted, as I am sure you know, because there is no reasonable way that he could have know his actions could result in Tomlinson's death. The bloke was brain damaged, had no balance, had alcohol related epilipsy and was also pissed at the time. He was discharged from the police because he was a thug. However that doesn't make him guilty of manslaugter.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:58, Reply)

But when it happened lies were put out to the press straight away saying he was causing trouble
and that the police had nothing to do with it. It was only because of a passer by who filmed it and passed the footage to a paper that anything actually happened.

If it hadn't been for that then that thug would still be working for the police.

The issue here is that there is seen to be, and I think because there is, absolutely no accountability for police officers who assault or kill members of the public or commit other miscarriages of justice.

The guy that covered up Hillsborough got to retire on his nice cushy pension and will never face any cesnure for what he did.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:04, Reply)

I'm not saying very bad police shit hasn't happened.
since they have, though, in all the mentioned cases the police have eventually (very eventually in the case of Hillsborough) be forced into some degree of accountability and responsibility.

What I'm saying is that you've got no evidence that's what's happened in this case, and by making assumptions based on the past, your position is not really any more valid than Swipes or Stunned's.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:10, Reply)

But I'm not saying that did happen in this case?
I do find the jurys decision a bit strange, they agreed that Duggan didn't have a gun and that a number of officers were lying when they said he did, but they still think he was lawfully killed. So fine.

But the officers were said by a jury to be lying about a number of things, and yet nothing will happen about that.

Swipe says a few dead people are the price you pay for a safe society. I disagree that there should be as many dead people or at least where there are the police should be held accountable and not lie and spread misinformation which again they have done.

I don't feel the police are trustworthy and the facts of this case, regardless of the final outcome, just reinforce this view.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:16, Reply)

It's good to have you back, Al
You've been away too long.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:17, Reply)

AND the cunts failed to catch the cunt who kicked off all those wing mirrors

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:20, Reply)

THey did, but I totally busted a stiffy and nutted on all their mums faces and they let me go.

(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:22, Reply)

Were they really found to be lying or just mistaken? (I know, you could lie about being mistaken)
You know how these things basically work, though. The officers involved are instantly told to shut up, handed to their PCS rep/lawyer (which let's not forget, as hand-wringing lefties, we fight for them to have), are told to say absolutely nothing incriminating, and in the end to make a statement that he had a gun as far as they are concerned. Straight after the shooting, the police have to come out and say something, so out of lack of knowing what the fuck is going on rather than malicious lying I suspect, they say "the subject was believed to be armed" or some shit.

I don't like it, but I don't think it's anywhere as institutionally corrupt in this case as you seem to think. And the jury's decision is not whether they are honest upstanding chaps or if they couldn't remember what fucking colour their trousers are but only, really, if they had reasonable grounds to think he had a gun. and the jury felt they did. And frankly, from the little information we have, I don't see how you can argue that it's not reasonable to assume a man that definitely did have a gun and that you hadn't seen throw the gun away, might have a gun.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:29, Reply)

But there were multiple witnesses, independant ones, who said that he clearly did not have a gun
and that what he was holding was a phone. It was the police who said that there was no doubt in their mind that he was holding a gun and the one who pulled the trigger said he could see the barrel projecting through the sock.

The jury said they were certain that Duggan didn't have a gun, but still said the killing was lawful, so presumably they took the view of "he might have had another one".
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:41, Reply)

There was only one "independent" witness.
The others were police or people in the car.

The one guy who was independent changed his story 3 times and was more than 100 yards away at the time, started off saying he was holding a gun, retracted and then said he was holding a phone.

With the jury/gun thing, that's not how it works at all. The jury are saying they are certain he had thrown the gun before he was shot. They AREN'T saying they believe the police knew he had thrown the gun. They've had days to look at the evidence. The police have to make a decision in an instant. To be a lawful killing there only had to be reason for the police to think he was going for a gun, and the jury's position was that he had chucked it but the police didn't know he had chucked it.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:46, Reply)

Also, I'm not sure how else you think it would have come to light in the case of Harwood?
It's not like there were a raft of police witnesses with any real understanding of what happened, and since he was a shit, he was hardly going to turn himself in, was he?

There are cunts in the police, and the police has at times been insititutionally cunty. Doesn't mean they always are, or that they automatically are being in this case.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:14, Reply)

I know it doens't mean they always are cunty
but you should expect to be able to hold the police to a higher standard as it's their job to not be cunty and when they are cunty, they all cover each others backs and that does huge damage to society's relationship with the police.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:18, Reply)

surely it should be everybody's job not to be cunty?
if there were no cunts, we wouldn't need police at all.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:21, Reply)

Now who is being unrealistically idealist?

(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:21, Reply)

agreed
but this is an inquest, not the police. it's a fucking big step from saying "the police in the past have been cunty and covered each other's backs" to "the crown and the justice system are instituationally corrupt" just because a verdict doesn't sit well with you.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:36, Reply)

The crown and justice system aren't institutionally corrupt, but you can certainly feel
that the police could be with some justification.

If this was simply another sad case when the die happen to fall with the police then this wouldn't be the touchpaper it is likely to turn into, but the police have never been properly held to account and you can see how it is really starting to wrankle with people.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:43, Reply)

see, this is idealist
if nobody were armed, that would be much better for everyone. unfortunately, there will always be plenty of armed people.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:27, Reply)

so what would you recommend?
1 - only people with nerves of steel, essentially psychopaths, join the police force? also they must have no emotions and no adrenalin.

2 - the police aren't armed, but the criminals are?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:21, Reply)

I would like to see the intelligence they had actually being used properly
and this situation not occurring at all. I would also like not to see lies being fed to press by the police immediately after these things occur.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:23, Reply)

I would like to see the intelligence they had actually being used properly - this applies to soooooo many people/situations

100% agreed, but there are always going to be rare exceptions, as this case was, where people will have to react quickly.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:25, Reply)

But it wasn't a "rare exception" it was a botched operation.
They appear to ahve stopped the car late despite knowing in advance that he was picking up the gun up. It appeared to be a fuck up form start to finish, particularly since one police officer nearly killed another one with a ricoheting bullet
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:27, Reply)

people make mistakes; until we have robocop doing the job, we are stuck with that risk
I bet you've made loads of mistakes at work - who hasn't? unfortunately this one had very severe consequences. but I totally agree with badger: in today's society, armed police are a necessary evil, as you simply cannot expect them to deal with parts of today's society without being armed. when you think of how many things the police do, this is a very small percentage.

yes it's disturbing, but I think it's better than the alternative, as badger said much better than I am doing.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:29, Reply)

There is quite a significant difference between making a mistake that involves ordering too many paperclips
or sending out a report with a typo in it, and shooting a man dead.

I do hope you can see that.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:30, Reply)

of course i can
but from time to time, in a world where we are policed by human beings, mistakes are going to be made. occasionally those mistakes will have grave consequences. i'm not saying it's ok or right, but I can't think of a better alternative, until tangles is king of the world and we all live in one gigantic happy yurt.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:32, Reply)

www.b3ta.com/questions/offtopic/post2182788

The better alternative is that when people die an open and thorough investigation is carried out and the police don't close ranks and lie.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:34, Reply)

that is your assumption
that they are closing ranks and lying. you weren't there, and you weren't at the hearing...
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:38, Reply)

5.9.83.79/questions/offtopic/post2182803
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:39, Reply)

so, what's your alternative?
personally I think there are massive flaws, but it's still as good as it's going to get in a world where some people are happy to rob and maim and terrorise and rape and murder others.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:41, Reply)

What Al said
"The better alternative is that when people die an open and thorough investigation is carried out and the police don't close ranks and lie."
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:42, Reply)

right
so what kind of investigation do you want to see, other than a british court case, british justice being the model justice system in many countries around the world?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:44, Reply)

I'd like to see that in every case, but it isn't.
I'm not saying the situation didn't warrant the officers shooting him, they may well have done, but as soon as it happened the police lied to the press stating that he had opened fire on them first, which they knew not to be the case. But nobody got censured for that.

In the case of Ian Tomlinson it was only because a member of the public passed their evidence to a newspaper that an officer was investigated, and despite being found guilty of unlawfully killing a man, the chap was discharged.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:48, Reply)

precisely this
Lying and closing ranks.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:49, Reply)

The alternative is to have actual accountability to those that we give huge power to
if you are a police officer you should be held to a much higher standard and there should be a truly independent investigatory body to look at any officers when there is suspicion of them being involved in the death of a member of the public.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:43, Reply)

let's not forget that they do an often dangerous job, and get paid fuck-all
who would do the job with that hanging over them as well?
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:44, Reply)

They get paid very fucking well
and nobody forces them to do that job.

They have so much power they ought to be held accountable.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:49, Reply)

i disagree
I don't think police or teachers or nurses get paid anywhere near enough
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:54, Reply)

They could be paid more, they could stop trying to steal their pensions
but they are not paid badly.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:58, Reply)

I'm all for paying public servants properly.
You should know that.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:50, Reply)

I'm with Al here
The police have a pretty solid track record of closing ranks, why do you think there's never been a successful prosecution for coppers where people have 'fallen down the station stairs' etc?

They lie, they collude and they close ranks.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:42, Reply)

wellknown scottish skaghead and druggie in hating police shocker

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:43, Reply)

nothing to do with that
But this is yet another incident of the coppers doing something demonstrably wrong and where someone died as a result. And once again, they get away with it.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:46, Reply)

you were gurning too much for that to be audible

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:47, Reply)

LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:48, Reply)

that's just not correct.
Some arsehole was driving around the city WE live in with a firearm.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:49, Reply)

allegedly.

( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:50, Reply)

yeah, the copper that shot dead the unarmed man

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:50, Reply)

SMASH THE SYSTEM MAN!
KILL THE PIGS! FREE DRUGS FOR ALL BABYGURLZ!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:51, Reply)

oh dear, have you sunk to my level?

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:54, Reply)

it's actually quite good fun
*dances to obscure record*

*wanks self off with hamster*
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:55, Reply)

He WAS armed.
Just didn't have a gun in his hand when he was shot.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:52, Reply)

he was no threat to the coppers
They made a mistake, a man died a violent death, there should be someone held accountable and that person should be punished.

I really don't see how you can argue against that.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:57, Reply)

It's OK, he wouldn't have been able to shoot Dozer
all the DPM and mirror finish would have rendered him a hidden target.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:51, Reply)

^ still upset

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:53, Reply)

abloo.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:59, Reply)

Regrettable incident blah blah.
The individual copper though had reasonable suspicion that the lad was armed, which he was. Duggan got OUT of the car after a hard stop and started moving his arms about.

I am surprised he was only shot twice.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:36, Reply)

^

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:26, Reply)

It's pretty fucking difficult to not be jittery
when you know you are trying to stop someone who you knew had a gun when you started following him.

The best solution is no armed officers. But that is only possible if you have no armed criminals. Just thank fuck we live in a society where this was at least investigated and put before a jury.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:26, Reply)

^ THIS ^
GOLD MEDAL FOR BADGER
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:27, Reply)

I think investigated is the wrong word
That implies it started with no preconceptions, and you know fine well that anyone investigating this would be looking for every reason not to find cause for this to be concluded as a mistake.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:28, Reply)

I think we've all got prejudices about this
so none of us are qualified to know how well, or not, it was investigated. The fact remains that it was investigated and it was put before a jury. Prejudice about the UK legal system notwithstanding, that's what should have happened and what did happen
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:36, Reply)

The police officers involved weren't interviewed under caution though, were they?
The investigation was made by fellow officers, who aren't exactly well known for finding fault with one another.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:33, Reply)

I think they should get medals.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:42, Reply)

I think they should be given more guns and a ticket to Cov.

( Kroney, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:43, Reply)

Facial hair equals hippy equals shoot to kill.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:44, Reply)

tap tap

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:44, Reply)

^^^Clearly doesn't know any coppers.
Professional Standards Division, as any cop will tell you, are a shower of tossers who would sell their own granny for a conviction.
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:52, Reply)

Known by regulars as "Judas Branch"

( Kroney, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:53, Reply)

I'm sure that helps them to do their job properly.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:54, Reply)

But by taking that logic you start saying "well, we don't know they don't have a gun so we should assume they do and just shoot everyone"

(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:22, Reply)

it depends where they are
Tottenham? fine. hull? fine. stockport? fine. Birmingham? fine. Milton Keynes? fine (well, not between 8 and 11pm tonight).
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:23, Reply)

Double time if they also have a backpack.

( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:23, Reply)

Centre mass to put him down.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:07, Reply)

Remember the double tap
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDYEG38P_yU
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:10, Reply)

when you are "slotting" him.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:14, Reply)

Whenever some guy is shot by the police he is invariably a good parent, and a community role model.
Often a regular church goer. I reckon it might kick off later.
(DBT became a fruitarian on, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:28, Reply)

ACAB ! Fuck this shit, we need to fuck things up, i'm off down JD Sports to register my discontent with the democraticaly elected system.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:47, Reply)

who cares

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:23, Reply)

you better had do
you'll be admiring it all at the weekend
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:26, Reply)

what?

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:28, Reply)

MY PINK HOT TUNA

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:29, Reply)

seen it before

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:30, Reply)

i've only just bought it!

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:30, Reply)

oh i dunno what that is then

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:32, Reply)

HA!

( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:36, Reply)

^ upset

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:27, Reply)

pension chat, shit old car chat, and blacks being shot chat are well boring
we used to have a right laugh here
( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:29, Reply)

frank's having a laugh by himself on a different thread

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:33, Reply)

im going there cos this is dull as fuck

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:34, Reply)

I'm enjoying this considerably more than shit old car chat.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:36, Reply)

I like a good old debate too.
A mass one, if you will.
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:36, Reply)

there are some reeeeally fugly cars on this board
design has moved on for a fucking good reason
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:37, Reply)

I kind of miss the days when cars looked different
nowadays all saloons look the same.
(Bazongaloid, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:39, Reply)

yes
and they are all black or silver. with the occasional white.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:42, Reply)

my car is black.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:45, Reply)

my car is silver

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:45, Reply)

so is mine
and my last one was silver. and the one before that was black.

people should stop copying me.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:46, Reply)

*Black fives*
Last one silver
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:47, Reply)

Yeah, it'd be brilliant to live in a world where everything looked the same as everything else.

( Kroney, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:51, Reply)

If I was forced to have an opinion on cars, I would prefer the older styles
But I really don't care about functional items in that way.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:43, Reply)

i find it equally monotonous

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:38, Reply)

is Jason still really upset?

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:39, Reply)

27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llap2yiT1G1qj0zk3o1_500.gif
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:49, Reply)

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:40, Reply)

you also have shit boxy taste in cars

( rachelswipe with a fork, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:41, Reply)

so what

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:44, Reply)

needs more camouflage

(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:42, Reply)

Born in captivity and adopted by a city dweller.
Poor thing never sees terrain rougher than a grass verge.
( GeordieJay Bummers are deaf, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:49, Reply)

It's American.
It'll be shit offroad. As good as Sporter's father-in-law's MR2.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:51, Reply)

The interior will be made from old ice cream tubs.

( Kroney, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:52, Reply)

That's why they are so big. The pieces fit together easier.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:56, Reply)

For a neapolitan experience

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:57, Reply)

Nah, more hideous plastic than Anne Robinson's face.

(localboy purveyor of pisspoor puns, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 16:10, Reply)

ha!

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Thu 9 Jan 2014, 15:57, Reply)