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(, Sun 1 Apr 2001, 1:00)
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I have now not slept longer than 4 hours in a row for 7 months
I'm starting to hallucinate from sleep deprivation I think. Baby turns 4 months tomorrow, and has spent the last week waking every 45 minutes during the night.

I just want to whinge really, but as I need an obligatory question, I'll ask this - do you have a bedtime routine, and if so, what is it? Mine is currently - hand baby to mrVitC, go and do my teeth, get into my pyjamas (or whatever clothing I have that hasn't been covered in baby vom/piss/shit), then lie down in bed to feed baby. Very dull. Used to involve less baby and more practice-for-making-baby, but that's no longer possible.

God, I'm exhausted and horny. Not a good combination.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 13:50, 120 replies, latest was 16 years ago)
Bed at 10pm
Read for one hour, check my alarm clock several times to make sure it's set and then stare out the window until I drop off.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 13:53, Reply)
Bed at around 12
Throw something greasy at my face.
Read or fart around on netbook until I feel my eyes roll in my head.
Remember to set alarm clock.
Look around for cat.
Unconscious in seconds.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 13:56, Reply)
man, I really really don't want to have children
Generally, Mrs V will go to bed at about 10pm, I will then have a spliff, watch a bit of tv, then read my book. depending on how good the book is I will go to bed anywhere between half 11 and half 12. possibly another spliff will be involved.

alternatively, if I don't introduce spliffs into the equation: go to bed at about half 11, lie awake for 2-3 hours, get up, read a bit, go back to bed, have shit sleep, wake up too early
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 13:57, Reply)
Can't you just make it sound a little more glamorous? Please??
Current routine:
Watch Law and Order: SVU until I realise it's nearly 11pm and I'm falling asleep.
Nag Catface to go to bed since he has to get up at 7am and wakes me in the process.
Fill hot water bottle to warm foot of the bed.
Pee, clean face, brush teeth.
Get into bed and attempt to get warm.
Get up and find socks, put on socks, get back into bed.
Get warm.
Realise I need to pee again.
Get up to pee.
Get back into bed and repeat warming procedure.
Listen to the sound of my pulse booming in my left ear.
Fall asleep.
Get woken by Catface when he comes to bed.
Pee again.
Sleep, waking only twice during the night to pee.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 13:59, Reply)
:)
I'd almost forgotten the constant peeing of pregnancy. and the constant vomiting. It's such a magical time.

baby gets away with his horrendous sleeping by being cute though. luckily for him...
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:05, Reply)
1. watch interminable quizcom* repeats on fucking Dave
2. lose will to live
3. dive into bed and either flake straight out or read about Genghis Khan until asleep

*what a ghastly term, I am most terribly sorry for repeating it.


OR:
1. take drugs
2. drink until 'confused'
3. stagger off to bed (I'm assuming - waking up in bed not on sofa)
4. Stop! Comatime.

Pretty rubbish 'existence' really
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:01, Reply)
when I get tired, usually around 10 or 10:30, I'll go outside to have a cigarette.
I look up at the sky to see if I can see the stars.
Come inside, have a glass of water
Brush my teeth
Pee
Make sure lights are turned off
Go to my room, check my alarm
Read
Check my alarm
Read
Check my alarm
Close closet doors, strip, turn ceiling fan on, turn light off
get into bed
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:03, Reply)
Go to bed,
stretch
get comfortable
fall asleep.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:03, Reply)
I hate people who can fall asleep straight away
they are even worse if they snore.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:04, Reply)
Some people can't help snoring.
I've trained myself not to sleep on my back, but you know, sometimes...
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:06, Reply)
then they don't deserve to live

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:07, Reply)
bang out of order
it's not like picking your nose, you know. It's not some annoying habit.

Anyway, I mostly don't snore, but I'm defending my right to snore. People who don't snore should stop being pansy-arsed light-sleepers.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:10, Reply)
I sometimes snore
and can sleep pretty much anyware
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:09, Reply)
I have trouble sleeping in my own bed
which is the most comfortable bed ever devised, let alone other uncomfortable beds, or on transport.

If I go away to stay somewhere I have to get really drunk or stoned so I can sleep at all.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:10, Reply)
Can you sleep with your head in a speaker in a club?

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:10, Reply)
I dunno, maybe I've never tried.

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:12, Reply)
I have. Three times.
And in parties I fall asleep with my eyes open.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:14, Reply)
that's really fucking creepy

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:15, Reply)
Apparently so,
if my best friend's there she wakes me really nicely by stroking my face and telling me to stop frightening everyone.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:16, Reply)
hahaha
well done bff
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:18, Reply)
I once fell asleep with my head in a bassbin at a rave
I'd been up all the night before travelling home from holiday and should not have gone out that night.

Silly boy.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:17, Reply)
I slept through almost the whole of Blade Trinity at the cinema
despite the regular THX-infused bass earthquakes and frantic action sequences. I only woke up when the credits rolled. I didn't miss much apparently.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:19, Reply)
this I cannot do, if I'm sleeping at a friends house I have to have a few drinks in me or I'll never sleep
I sometimes can't sleep if the housemates have people over. I hate it.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:12, Reply)
Having spent most of my late twenties and early thirties awake I now find I have no trouble sleeping.

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:23, Reply)
I can't function if I don't have sleep.
This side three years ago I was out every night drunk until 3 or 4 in the morning and up by 7.
Now I'd better get 7 hours at least or it's all tits up.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:31, Reply)
Also, Vit C, how's Oliver?

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:04, Reply)
he's fine thanks!
not sleeping as much as I'd been led to believe, and by the sound of things has just filled his nappy for the 4th time today, but he's lovely anyway :)
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:06, Reply)
Aw
he's just keeping you on your toes.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:07, Reply)
I'm scared stiff I'll wake up one morning and want children.
Those pesky hormones can get you at any time.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:10, Reply)
it can be resisted.
My hormones have wanted them for years, but the practical side tells me to double up on contraception methods.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:11, Reply)
I think you'd be a FABULOUS mum.

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:39, Reply)
I detect a hint of sarcasm!
Kids love me. I don't think they'd like me for a mother.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:54, Reply)
None whatsoever, Roots, seriously.
You'd be a fucking great mum.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:56, Reply)
Ok, I'll take it!
It already exists right? I don't have to push it out of my Mary, right?
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:04, Reply)
I'm scared my mrs will too
she seems to be increasingly put off by other people's though which is a good sign. I'm tempted to have the snip so there is no risk of an accident.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:13, Reply)
My mate Pete had the snip...
...and found out a week later his Mrs was pregnant.

It gets funnier.

Twins.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:16, Reply)
Fucking hell

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:17, Reply)
that is both funny and horrifying

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:18, Reply)
That is what I said to him.
He did not see it that way.

Worst is he had to go back for a second snip and ended up with internal bleeding after the op. BUPA too.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:21, Reply)
Christ, looks as though his shipment of fail arrived then :(

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:25, Reply)
Upside - two more lovely kids.
Downside - now has four of them.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:27, Reply)
bugger, was thinking that as I have BUPA they are less likely to cock it up
guess not...
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:29, Reply)

cock balls it up
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:32, Reply)
Cock it up - lol
Very easy procedure with a 99%+ success rate - don't worry.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:32, Reply)
I should mention it to my mrs and see what she thinks of the idea

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:33, Reply)
Pun intended?

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:33, Reply)
only sort of

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:37, Reply)
In all honesty, if I ever wanted kids then I would rather adopt.

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:16, Reply)
there's something indescribable
about seeing your own mini-me...it's fucking mental.

I never wanted kids and could never understand the attraction - but having fatherhood foisted upon me I can honestly say that even with all the myriad nightmares, court appearances and stress it has brought me, it's still far and away the best thing I've ever done.

Even better than the Treworgey Tree Fayre of 1989. which took some beating.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:27, Reply)
S'true.

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:28, Reply)
I've no desire to pass on my genes.
I'd be happy enough with an unwanted kid.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:30, Reply)
I just can't imagine that I'd cope with it at all well
I can only envisage terrible scenarios where it ends up splitting me and the mrs up or something. Add to that the fact that we'd be financially fucked if it happened anytime soon, and it all adds up to something quite offputting.

People tell me I'd be a good dad all the time. All this does is tell me that they don't know me very well at all.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:31, Reply)
That is 100% what i felt...

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:33, Reply)
Financially it's never a good time to have kids.
You just do it and cope somehow. Lots of people do.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:34, Reply)
I might cope
but it'd be fucking shit. Currently, my salary would pay the mortgage and the bills, barely. and that's it. no food, no fun.

I don't want to "cope", I want to be able to enjoy myself. Some people can do that with kids. I doubt my capacity for it.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:36, Reply)
well everything you're scared of - and a whole lot more
DID happen to me and it's still the best thing ever.

I used to scoff at people telling me I'd be a great dad - and I still do. I have a sickening feeling that I am a terrible, terrible father and this does not seem to be abating.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:37, Reply)
this argument is more persuasive than most
as we seem to be generally like-minded, and had the same fears, and you like it. I'm not convinced though, and not changing my mind.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:39, Reply)
I understand 100%
I was very, very much of the opinion that 'why the fuck would I want children? I don't mind them in small doses but generally the little cunts are fucking annoying. Also, why would I want to bring a child into this overpopulated and generally disgusting world?'

This, coupled with the depressing realisation that I was never going to be able to provide the idyllic childhood that I had (it was like Swallows & Amazons or something) for my own children, and the fact that I am an irresponsible wastrel, meant I was convinced I'd never breed.

You know what I'm like - but really, truly it is utterly incredible. I feel like I actually have a purpose in life rather than merely drifting along occupying myself with drugs and drink and larking about.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:47, Reply)
I don't quite think of it that way
There are good reasons to have kids no doubt, but the pro reasons that actually sway me slightly are all completely selfish.

I've not got to the point where I feel I lack purpose, not yet anyway
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:52, Reply)
I hadn't noticed I felt like that until I no longer did.

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:54, Reply)
hmmm
I think the way I'm really feeling is, that if it happened by accident it'd be fine, as long as we were in a better position financially. That's the trouble, and that is what is really making me negative on it at the moment. We are fine as we are, both got good salaries for our ages etc. but even for a short time if the mrs was up the duff we would really really struggle, which would be fucking shite.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:57, Reply)
You'd find you didn't give a fuck about money
Honestly - it's nearly bankrupted me (I'd hope you didn't need to spend 6k on fucking parasitic lawyers like I did) and I don't care a jot. When you see their cheeky little faces nothing else on earth matters one bit.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:00, Reply)
you are probably right
but I'd first have 9 months of freaking out to get through. I don't want to have to go through that.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:03, Reply)
When our first kid came along
I was at college and the wife was at Uni, living in a rented flat. We never had fillet steak every night, but we got by. The thing is, having a kid, a joint responsibility negates the need for lots of other things that used to fill your time and that you previously consider important or worthwhile.

Women get maternity pay or you may well qualify for family tax credits, you also get child benefit and various other 'benefits'.

There is definitely no 'good' time to have a kid, but in the 9 months that it takes for it to appear, you are primed and ready to go. Yes it is hard work, yes it is boring yet constantly changing. Then comes all the priceless moments, the unconditional love, the playing, laughing, helping them experience brand new things, seeing their delight, watching them become more and more independent, watching them succeed, helping them when they fail, teaching them right from wrong etc.

Until you have done enough to make them into a teenager.....then the fun really begins ;-)
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:12, Reply)
that is about as close to persuaded as I've ever got
well done ;-)

I'm still not convinced, but am less terrified.

just thought of another reason against. I would be unable to prevent myself from giving a child a ridiculous name. I think Six and Seven are good names, and a lot of stuff from Greek mythology.

That alone should disqualify me from parenthood
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:16, Reply)

fun rape
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:19, Reply)
same thing surely?
a discussion in the pub the other night led to this:

got problems with premature ejaculation? Look on the bright side. At least you'll be able to carry out rapes quickly.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:19, Reply)
POTD

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:21, Reply)
"It can start WAY before that" - Fred West

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:21, Reply)
I think the most important thing for a kid is to know they're loved unconditionally.
Anything after that is a bonus for them.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:42, Reply)
There's an amount of truth in this
but I'd say that makes up about a quarter of what a kid needs from a parent.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:45, Reply)
Nah,
I wouldn't too much into adopting, it would feel like one really long babysitting session.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:36, Reply)
I have an adopted sister and she feels as much a sister to me as my blood sisters.
I think for me, having an adopted kid myself would be the same.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:38, Reply)
get one from haiti

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:49, Reply)
My very own Voodoo baby.

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:52, Reply)
Cuz ahm uh voodoo chiiiiiiiile

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:56, Reply)
There is very little wanking getting done before bedtime...
I suspect everyone is too polite to say.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:11, Reply)
I rarely get the urge now.

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:13, Reply)
If you ever do find you can't sleep though
it does help
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:15, Reply)
sometimes I'm too tired...
not lately though :/
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:14, Reply)
I like wanking.

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:15, Reply)
best of all the self-abuse

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:16, Reply)
You total and utter bastard.
Now I am singing that.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:22, Reply)
Any time mate, any time...

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:56, Reply)
Well I for one am very pleased
that everyone is so polite. There's far too much vulgarity in this world without us all adding to it.


What's frightening is that whilst I typed that, I actually believed it, in a kind of weary way.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:19, Reply)
You're right, it is a vulgar habit
Which is why i do it with the light out, under the covers, with my eyes closed to minimise the guilt. Plus the fact the gerbils prefer the dark.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:23, Reply)
What I do
is scream the Lord's Prayer whilst crying, as I masturbate. It does upset my cellmate somewhat, but then the prospect of what I'd do if I didn't get that release is so terrifying to him, he doesn't say anything, any more.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:30, Reply)
Thy Kingdom Cum

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:35, Reply)
Thy Willy be done...

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:48, Reply)
I recommend Calpol...
...not too much mind. You don't want any little mishaps.

Kate McCann
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:26, Reply)
warm milk witn a little rum
never did me any harm, although I do hate rum these days
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:29, Reply)
Speaking of milk...
...breasty milk helps kids sleep and works better than formula.

Trust me, I'm a doctor.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:30, Reply)
I'm also a doctor
but breast milk is digested faster than formula, hence more wakings. still, worth it to stop me from having to sterilise endless bottles and actually get out of bed in the night.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:39, Reply)
Best of all is to express milk...
...in the morning when there are less nucleotides and keep for the babies late night feed.

BTW anyone who has not seen milk being pumped is in for a treat as the nipple elongates and contracts in a remarkably hypnotic manner.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:47, Reply)
Sound interesting
squirt, squirt, squirt, squirt


*squirt*
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:55, Reply)
Brilliant stuff
Baked bean...Cigar butt...baked bean...cigar butt....

How I laughed.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:04, Reply)
Did you see this?
Essex Social Services take baby into care citing breastfeeding as evidence of bad mothering

edit: I meant to add, what a bunch of absolute cunts.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:02, Reply)
I have to watch a bit of tv before I go to bed
Check everything is off & doors are locked.
Set combi boiler temp.
Prepare drink of orange squash & hot water bottle to take upstairs.
Say goodnight to ghost.
Go upstairs quickly turning off lights and shutting internal doors as I go.
Use bathroom.
30 press-ups.
Give the radiator a push to stop it doing that plinky thing.
Click alarm on.
Get in bed, read some Viz.
Read a chapter of all the books I have on the go.
Get out of bed and go for a pee.
Back to bed, turn out light.
Briefly consider quitting job, selling house and running away to tropical paradise.
Sleep.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:44, Reply)
Urgh
I bet that orange squash & hot water bottle drink tastes disgusting.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:55, Reply)
It's the new cocktail taking North Somerset by storm
it really puts you in the mood for howling at the moon and having sexual relations with close family members and/or livestock.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:58, Reply)
that is long enough to be perfectly functional,
stop whinging.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:45, Reply)
that's true
Thatcher did it, and look at all the stuff she accomplished
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:47, Reply)
exactly!
what a wonderful woman.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:57, Reply)
finally, someone talking some sense around here!
your wisdom has such clarity I'm certain that you must have a beard
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:58, Reply)
Hello Sir Sand Goblin
How're you doing?
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 14:57, Reply)
hello i am ok!

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:07, Reply)
Enormously pleased to hear it, old boy.

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:10, Reply)
Let's dance!

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:11, Reply)
Is that WITH red shoes AND to the blues?

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:15, Reply)
That, young sir, looks suspiciously
like a reference to that man.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:17, Reply)
Easy, easy Lionel...

*grabs upturned chair and whip*
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:23, Reply)
*Charlestons like a man possessed*

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:15, Reply)
Oh you're the toilet fella!
Hiya!
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:07, Reply)
ploppins!

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:07, Reply)
What brings you back here?

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:11, Reply)
He's missing me.
I can tell.
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:13, Reply)
Who wouldn't miss you?

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:17, Reply)
Well I can think of one person.

(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:19, Reply)
umm..
i don't know. it's the internet isnt it? am i in the wrong place?
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:18, Reply)
Yes
Because BGB's started a new thread wooo!
(, Mon 25 Jan 2010, 15:19, Reply)

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