Hello, good morning and welcome.
I have a slight dilemma.

My brother is driving up to see our grandmother on Saturday and has asked if I’d like to come too. My mother is now pressurising me to go because she thinks I may not get the chance again. As far as I can tell she doesn’t like visitors or really doing anything any more. She doesn’t answer the phone and is basically waiting out her time in a home in Nottingham (poor sod). My mother went up last week and was roundly ignored, my grandmother spent her time looking at her watch and sighing, and pretended to fall asleep so her visitors would fuck off sharpish.

I am DJing on Friday night following a 50hr week. I won’t get home ‘til 3:30 am – and would have to leave my house at 8 to make the 1.5h journey to my brother’s, to get the 2.5h lift to see someone who probably will want rid of us in a few minutes.

Am I a lazy, shit grandson for not wanting to go?

Alt Q: do you want a fucking fight?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 8:55, 142 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

Yes, a bit
but this is understandable. My Nana is 97 and hasn't the faintest fucking clue who I am anymore, but I still look in on her occasionally because I would feel bad if I didn't. I wouldn't, however, do it after busting a gut at work and travelling for a ludicrous number of hours.

Your call really.
(berk, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 8:58, Reply)

Think of the inheritance duh

(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:03, Reply)

In other news I got locked out of my flat last night
because the Landlord hadn't paid a secured loan on the place.
So some baliffs or something came and changed the locks, which meant that I had to eat dinner at a friends and sleep at my parents.
The letting agent described it as a "mixup" which is going to be sorted today.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:10, Reply)

Month's free rent for the trauma of it all, surely?
At the very least get your parents to invoice you £200 for emergency accomodation and pass it on...
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:11, Reply)

I doubt I'd get that much.
We'll see the letting agent is coming to see me at work today, I might book a intimidating meeting room.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:17, Reply)

Start high, then be prepared to to be 'magnanimous' and accept less, eh?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:23, Reply)

I WANT 6 MONTHS FREE RENT

(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:23, Reply)

but really I'm going to say:
"I'm not in the mood to talk about it now, I'll send you a letter."
because the contract is locked in the flat and I want to read through that first.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:24, Reply)

Althought I think they're probably pretty good at ignoring letters
lollers
(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:30, Reply)

I'd also recommend digging out the jacket with the biggest shoulder pads
And, if you can find one, one of those pointy German WWI helmets
(LongJohnBaldry, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:24, Reply)

My brother has one of them

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:39, Reply)

Old people like to make you think they hate you.
Go and visit because even if she does hate you, you can take the moral high ground.

But then again, if your gran is like mine and is a royal cunt, then fuck it.
( girlinthehole, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:06, Reply)

I like this
Fucking your grandmother's cunt is the way to go
( Bert Monkeysex is waiting for the mods to delete him, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:50, Reply)

I wouldn't go, but I'm heartless.
In other news, I found out last night that the Monty who added me on Facebook over a month ago isn't you! I was all confused and like "wait, whut?"
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:07, Reply)

Monty Boyce on Facebook.
Are you mad?
( girlinthehole, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:08, Reply)

That's what I said
It was Other (Manchester) Monty
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:09, Reply)

The day I am on Facebook
is the day I hack off my genitals with a rusty penknife, form a ballroom dancing duo with Darth Cocksnot and then go to a Bowie gig.

(next Thursday)
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:09, Reply)

I will pay money to see this happen.

(Poppet some assembly required., Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:15, Reply)

The temptation to make a puppet account...

( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:17, Reply)

Only a few would get the joke.

( girlinthehole, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:18, Reply)

Yeah, but can you imagine how ANGRY he'd be?
Monty became a fan of Bowie
Monty became a fan of Glee
Monty joined the group WE ♥ JUSTIN BIEBER
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:21, Reply)

He wouldn't notice

(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:23, Reply)

Yes, but people from here would
"Oh Monty, why are you on Facebook? Why do you like all of these things?"
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:24, Reply)

Do what you like
The only people who would see it would be Facebook users, therefore I couldn't give a toss.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:24, Reply)

:(
I wouldn't do that, it's weird. How are you doing?
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:25, Reply)

Not too bad thanks, you?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:39, Reply)

Tired.
Stressed, and weepy. But I'll be ooorkay.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:43, Reply)

Are you Lenny Henry?
You are much too young to get this, sorry.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:52, Reply)

-whooshes over head-
Yes, I'm young.
In a couple of months I'll be in my 20s, that will feel better.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:11, Reply)

Here you go:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QueRSYKFB5M
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:19, Reply)

O_o

( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:20, Reply)

Classic!!!
God I loved that show.
( girlinthehole, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:31, Reply)

Whose a grumpy chops?

( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:27, Reply)

Haha sly.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:27, Reply)

Best change that to who's a grumpy chops, quick before he gets all grumpy with you

(Cave Duck, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:36, Reply)

shh...I'm trying to upset him

( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:42, Reply)

I guess you made a typo
Just change 'whose' to 'who's' and you'll be done.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:42, Reply)

aww that wasn't angry at all.
I'll try again.

Your a grumpy chops.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:43, Reply)

You used the wrong your there.
fucking cunt whore.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:48, Reply)

thanks
I needed that.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:51, Reply)

KITTY
This is one of the things I was telling you about last night:

cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/31f9d0b0-8841-4bf4-acba-092152adfc8a.jpg
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:17, Reply)

That's a rubbish one,
how was last night then, akward silences?
(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:20, Reply)

no, it was fun
because we're not shit and dull and I hate you.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:23, Reply)

Lampito was posting on here at 10 last night,
so either it was over by 10: lame, or she was posting from the pub which says something about how interesting the conversation was.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:26, Reply)

I was home by 10pm,
it's a Monday night, I'm too old to stay out until 3am. Your evening of watching telly by yourself would have been proper rock and roll if you hadn't got locked out.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:31, Reply)

There are opportunities to go home between the hours or 10pm and 3am you know.
You don't have to get so defensive.
(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:39, Reply)

I had to get the last train home, which was at ten.
And we did start at half six.
(Applebite Uh! A cow!, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 11:10, Reply)

That is an acceptable answer, i'll allow it.

(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 11:23, Reply)

Stalky stalky.
I was posting on the train home, as Applebite lives in a stupid place she had to get the train home.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:39, Reply)

last post in the previous thread

(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:45, Reply)

Ahhh I see
It would probably help if I had seen Doctor Who. Or CSI Miami.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:22, Reply)

there are worse things to do then be reluctant to inflict your presence on someone who doesn't want your company.
your choice.
(Poppet some assembly required., Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:07, Reply)

I'll kick your fucking arse you fucking fairy

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:08, Reply)

Course you will, chutney ferret.

Course you will.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:12, Reply)

Chutney Ferret
Finest of all the insults!
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:52, Reply)

I would still go and see her.
And yes, I fucking do, you Hoxton Hero!
(Himjim died a little more inside on, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:15, Reply)

COME ON THEN.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:37, Reply)

I'd say not go, as I like my sleep
and going that far sounds horrific on that little sleep for little reward.

but then again if it would mean something...
if not then fuck it
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:16, Reply)

You should go - just to make your mother happy
I had a similar issue a couple of years ago & only went to see my 98 year old g'mother to keep my Dad happy. She then snuffed it the following day & I was glad I had seen her as my Dad was happy that I had.
(lkjshaglkasjdhglkhjz lkcvl; g;aodh;owih, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:17, Reply)

I would seem that it would be of no consequence to your Grandmother (unless you're a particularly favoured grandson whose presence would cheer her)
So it's really wehter you would get anything from it. If you don't feel the need to see her one last time or have anythng you feel you need to say, then don't go. There's no need to be a martyr.
(Cave Duck, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:17, Reply)

no you aren't
but go anyway, just so you know that when she carks it you made an effort even if she didn't
(Halfy By light alone, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:20, Reply)

Go. She might have good prescription drugs you can 'borrow'.

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:22, Reply)

Hahah INCENTIVE right here.
I bet she has some Werther's I can nab, too.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:25, Reply)

Oh fuck it, if the old bag doesn't want to see anyone do her a favour and stay at home.
I'm more amazed at the people on the board who still have grandparents. Wasnt one of your grandfathers in WWI? And blousie keeps saying "One of my grandmothers"?

All mine shuffled off this mortal coil before I was 30 (3 of them before I was 21).

Alt Q: Be warned, I defend myself with FUNK!
( Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:23, Reply)

Great-grandfather in WWI, Grandfather in WW2
The women in my family are fucking immortal. Great-grandmothers on my mother's side both made it past 100.

My mother will outlive me for sure. Probably my grandmother will too.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:27, Reply)

Same here.
My great grandma lived to just under 100. My grandma is getting on for 85 and still going strong. It's those Kraut genes that keep them hanging on for dear life.
( girlinthehole, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:30, Reply)

that is bloody old
my rota goes 'killed by a car' 'cancer from working as a radiation nurse pre-shielding' 'cancer generally' and one I can't remember. maternal granddad died before my mother was two, and her mother died when she was 18. My dad's parents were dead before he was fifteen in both cases
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:33, Reply)

My paternal grandparents died many years ago but still at an old age.
My dad was the youngest so my granparents were pretty old when they had him.
( girlinthehole, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:36, Reply)

obviously my family
is just death-prone. I've reached 21 without losing a parent, so I'm already doing better than either of my parents, relatives wise
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:38, Reply)

know what you mean
all my grandparents died before I was born
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:28, Reply)

That's kind of sad
but at least you weren't forced to see them every weekend
( Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:32, Reply)

true
and I know for a fact my maternal grandmother and me would have hated each other virulently. So bullet avoided there
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:36, Reply)

They certainly took deliberate avoidance techniques to extreme levels, didn't they?

( Bert Monkeysex is waiting for the mods to delete him, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:53, Reply)

I'm only 25
and there were only 2 left when I was born, the last one died when I was 7.

Means I don't have to deal with stuff like this, but alas, no Worthers Originals either.

I have to deal with Wiggy's grandmother though and she hates me.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:29, Reply)

Push her down the stairs
and dig a bear trap at the bottom of the stairs, and put spikes in the bottom of the bear trap, and put poison on the spikes
( Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:34, Reply)

Wiggy might get upset if I did that
plus I'm fairly certain she's invicible.
( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:44, Reply)

Aye
all mine were gone by the time I was 16, and both my mums had gone before I was 3, but then her almost all of her family worked on ships from Portsmouth and got sunk / blown up / torpedoed in the wars
(Halfy By light alone, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:46, Reply)

Third one carked it when I was 18
But yeah, all gone before my 30s. The big drinking Scotsman lasted the longest of the lot. Shocker.

I plan to die in a puddle in my 40s or 50s.
( djtrialprice, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:50, Reply)

Take her a bunch of flowers and some Worther's Originals
Put a smile on her face, your mum's face, and possibly your face. Then face facts, you're going to get off your face, so save face and face up to it. Face-off. Face from The A-Team.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:26, Reply)

I don't want to appear two-faced though.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:28, Reply)

See if you can face it on the day

( Kitty v1.0 desperately naive, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:30, Reply)

The bloke with the big face (Mick Hucknall) joining The Faces
The height of face related wrongness.
(Cave Duck, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:30, Reply)

He'll have to face the music sometime.
Probably not Simply Red, though.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:32, Reply)

Friz

(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:32, Reply)

You spelt "who sung this?" wrong

(LongJohnBaldry, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:36, Reply)

you have to go on /talk occasionally to realise how witty I am
www.b3ta.com/search/talk?q=%22fat+faced+cunt%22
(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:39, Reply)

Ah, with you now, Carruthers!
Well struck sir, well struck. Such biting ready wit, you fat faced cunt.
(LongJohnBaldry, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:44, Reply)

I've read riddle of the sands too.

(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:50, Reply)

Maybe I should do an about-face and just go.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:31, Reply)

SHITTEST PUN RUN EVER

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:32, Reply)

it's facile humour

( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:33, Reply)

Don't be so self-effacing.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:34, Reply)

*Tries to think outside the box a bit*
If your brother has a car, could he not drive down to somewhere slightly closer to your house to meet you, allowing you to get up a little later? (and then go to sleep in his car, snoring loudly with a particularly irritating pitch and irregular rhythm)

*Puts head back into the box*
(LongJohnBaldry, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:27, Reply)

No, he's a lazy cunt
who once dropped me off at Holland Park tube after Christmas at out mother's, lugging two large boxes of presents and a suitcase 'because I could easily get to Liverpool St from there', rather than drop me off in the fucking East End. Plus he gets free petrol.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:30, Reply)

Fucking hell...
I can appreciate someone not wanting to drive through the centre of London, but "easily getting to Liverpool Street" does not equate to "being within arm's reach of any given part of the East End." Fair enough, we'll rule out that suggestion.
(LongJohnBaldry, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:35, Reply)

Sleep in the car
It's a bit of effort, but despite how grumpy she might be, that's because most folks in old folks homes are scared to death, and feel abandoned anyway
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:29, Reply)

When my great grandad died I went to see him and he had no clue who I was
but was happy to have visitors. It sounds to me like she would rather be left alone. Maybe send her a card or something?
( Peej, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:31, Reply)

I was thinking maybe a cock-gaz?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:33, Reply)

Is she a b3tan?
That might just cheer her up a bit!
( Peej, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:34, Reply)

She's Bert Monkeysex

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:35, Reply)

You know what?
I believe you.
( Peej, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:40, Reply)

bky fucked your gran?

(PsychoChomp, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:44, Reply)

I'm afraid so.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:00, Reply)

how often does your mother visit?

( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:35, Reply)

Every few months
They have always had a very 'difficult' relationship though.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:36, Reply)

that's probably why your gran is pissed
life in a home if you're even half aware is hell. I want to be killed before I ever get to that stage
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:37, Reply)

Some homes are ok.
I'd enjoy it. Sitting with my peers and reminicsing about the good old times.

'I danced at the Hacienda you know'.

'Do you remember how good E's used to be'.
( girlinthehole, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:40, Reply)

She prefers it to the 'real world'.
Since my grandfather died in 1984 she's not enjoyed her life at all.


EDIT and I take it you mean 'pissed off'. I know you aren't American, young lady.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:48, Reply)

That'll finish her off
she'll die laughing
( Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:36, Reply)

Bearing in mind I haven't read your post
I think the solution would be to buy some sturdier shoes.
( Undulating Tentacles of Love getting fun down to acceptable levels, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:36, Reply)

He's not a lesbian.

( girlinthehole, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:37, Reply)

I'm sensing this is the root of all his problems.

( Undulating Tentacles of Love getting fun down to acceptable levels, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:12, Reply)

*buys*

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:51, Reply)

Can you cope with the guilt trip you'll get from your mother?
If you can, then fine, don't go.
If, however, that is going to be a total ball-ache that you cannot escape, I suggest you go and see the old lady.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:54, Reply)

Make a day of it. Bring a GameBoy
(you'd love it, it's practically from the 70s)
( djtrialprice, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:55, Reply)

I still see GameBoys as 'those new things'
that I never mastered.
I was alright at those games that were also alarm clocks and you had to move left and right to catch a man who'd fallen from the trapeze.

Anyway. I'm off to a meeting.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:56, Reply)

I lost interest after Pac-Man and Space Invaders.
Game-boys are much too 'virtual reality' for me.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:03, Reply)

I buy every console when it becomes cheap
and by cheap I mean under a tenner. My latest being an N64. I quickly discovered the Mega Drive is way better.
( Peej, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:08, Reply)

Perosnally I would bin it off
but how guilty will you feel for doing it? is it worth the inconvenience and hassle just for a guilt free conscience?
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:54, Reply)

I am constantly wracked with guilt about not seeing my Gran as often as I could.
She has been in a nursing home for about 8 years, since my granda succumbed to teh cancer. The nursing home is very depressing and the residents are usually hooting, wailing, pissing themselves or expiring. When I go and visit I always make a point of going out for a walk with her, well, me walking and her sitting in a wheelchair. Old age is never very pretty, particularly the demented/alzheimers variety. Go and see her, take her some flowers and possibly a cheeky toke or even a blast of Dimitri, that should wake her from her stupor.

As for the fighting, well, i've just tanked a litre bottle of 'wreck the hoose juice' and I am currently scanning my desk for blunt objects
(Cancer Joy was short lived, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:56, Reply)

Righto - see you in the B3ta carpark in 5 minutes.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:07, Reply)

Naw mate, you won't see me, but i'll see you.
You might catch a blur in the periphery of your vision, but that will be about it. My ninja skills will be enhanced with Buckfast and my capacity for violence will be increased ten fold.
(Cancer Joy was short lived, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:19, Reply)

Why don't you take her to the club you'll be DJing at?
She's out of her mind, the punters will (depending on whether it's a trance/house/90s cheese night) be off their face on E, everybody's happy.
(tarbin tarbis, tarbit, tarbamus, tarbimus, tarbant, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 9:58, Reply)

She could sell some of her pills.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 10:04, Reply)

In exchange for nubile young organs.

(tarbin tarbis, tarbit, tarbamus, tarbimus, tarbant, Tue 20 Jul 2010, 11:01, Reply)