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Alternatively tell me about a rock and roll suicide.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:10, 163 replies, latest was 15 years ago)
Alt: I'm not a fan of his music, but I've always appreciated Kurt Cobain's decorating. He really used his brains to paint that room.
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His ceiling.
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He was such a fucking bender. When I started university I got some poxy 'student welcome pack' from Nat fucking West, which included an article by said bender all about how he never pissed about at university because he was an impoverished Taffy who was grateful for the opportunity and how all the students who got pissed were cunts.
Rock - and also Roll, 'Richey'. '4 Real'.
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And norks.
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Because there are some awesome ones of those, such as Rasputin & Rikidôzan (stabbed with a urine soaked blade, in a nightclub. Threw the attacker out, and carried on partying)
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took some getting rid of, didn't he?
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:26, Reply)
I've placed a bet on him re-emerging next year, doing a cover of Dubstar's "I'm Not So Manic Now"
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:19, Reply)
I swapped my Elastica album for a mates Dubstar album. What I should have done is smashed them both with hammers.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:26, Reply)
Have you still got the keys to his car, Sportscow?
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:33, Reply)
is from 1860-1970(ish) then it's mostly not that bad. Contemporary art, however, is by and large utter tosh. Half a cow and an unmade bed indeed *snorts* it's not art, it's dickheadism at it's very highest pinnacle.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:26, Reply)
cunts will make it! I give you Damien Hirst's £50million skull
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:27, Reply)
just even more so because we're now able to get £13million of diamonds and platinum if we want and can afford it.
I also like that it did cost £50 million, that way it goes to the current "kings and tribal leaders" usually some cunt from Russia or Wall Street.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:35, Reply)
it's garish and pointless, and what's more, any dickhead with a skull, some diamante and a fucking glue gun could make it - no talent was required whatsoever.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:35, Reply)
It's more annoying, though, that Hirst actually is a very good "proper" contemporary artist. He just chooses to produce that sort of shite because wankers will pay for it. disturbing.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:39, Reply)
and thus belongs in a musuem or suchlike, not some Russian oligarch's house
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:41, Reply)
painting, drawing, sculpture
NOT a fucking chainsaw and a fish
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:43, Reply)
Fucking incredible, the detail is just phenomenal.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:43, Reply)
If I could make it (given the right materials obviously) then it's not fucking art.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:45, Reply)
With the right training most people (who aren't spackhanded retards) could copy almost any piece of art. So, therefore, you could make most of these things. What you couldn't do is make it originally, because you didn't have the idea. Ideas are just as much skill as being able to weild a brush or a chisel or a violin bow.
But, I still think Hirst's stuff is shite, mind.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:49, Reply)
Most of the time they're porn related.
"I go around fucking these chicks, and we pay them, and we do it on video, and then sale the videos".
Or
"Facebook, yeah', £25b, yeah', how about we make a website that's like facebook, only it's for pugs. We'll make a fortune, there must be loads of pugs owners out there who want to share their pugs."
or
"Yeah', just like google, only it would belong to us".
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and what about sculpture, they use hammers and wooden sculptures use chainsaws.
I think you're underestimating how hard it is to cut a shark in half and preserve it.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:45, Reply)
Do you think he actually did it?
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:46, Reply)
I mean, I pretty much agree, but others certainly would argue that as long as it is willingly displayed and appreciated it can be classed as art.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:43, Reply)
"Tune in tomorrow to find out why Monet's 'Impression Sunrise' looks like it was painted buy her 3 year old niece"
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he shot himself in the stomach, THE STOMACH! Unless every cowboy movie has lied to me, that's the worst place to get shot.
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I would cheerfully rip his actual skull out THROUGH HIS SKIN and piss on it. Bollocks to the diamonds.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:30, Reply)
I got more than a glimpse of Nigel in her show a few weeks ago. Put me right off my stroke
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:41, Reply)
The whole skull bit is irrelivent to my interests though.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:45, Reply)
Rock an Roll suicides? How about Del Shannon...He's a Waa-Waa-Waa DEAD
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:16, Reply)
Del Shannon, or my dad warbling along to Runaway with big can headphones on, blissfully unaware that we were pissing ourselves.
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I've liked her "Op-Art" since first seeing it on the album cover of The Faust Tapes
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What do you think of her work? And what sort of stuff do you like.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:25, Reply)
and the art is different in all of them, but it's all very modern. in fact, "the times" did a feature on our reception when we moved in a year or so ago.
some of it is so stunning that it is tempting to stick it under my arm and walk out whistling after every meeting. and some of it..... what the artist or the committee who spent so much money on it were thinking is a total mystery.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:21, Reply)
And Paula Rego. Egon Schiele is on of my favorite.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:23, Reply)
Him falling off that roof was piss-funny.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:23, Reply)
Alt: The old drummer from Feeder, who hanged himself because he was depressed because he was the drummer in fucking Feeder.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:25, Reply)
There's been a fair few deaths in alternative music over the last year or so - RJD, Peter Steele, The Rev, Paul Gray, etc
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:28, Reply)
Not even accidental (Paul Gray, I'm looking at you).
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:29, Reply)
Neither was RJD, it was simply a comment on the fact a lot of rock/metal musicians have died.
And in advance - Monty, this is not a good thing.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:31, Reply)
I was saddened by this. I wasn't a massive fan of The Plasmatics, but she was a real "outthere doing for real" performer. But apparently quite a sensitive soul. She ended up shooting herself in woodlands near her home, apparently havinf previously attempted to take her own life by hammering a chisel into her chest, only to then change her mind.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:30, Reply)
I like late 60s psychedelic poster art A LOT. I also like graffiti - a truly modern artform in some instances. I like MC Escher, because I am a sterotypical potsmoking type.
However the old 'pile of bricks' bollocks is so 'Emperor's New Clothes' it's almost funny. But isn't at all.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:33, Reply)
Sort of balloon like.
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That's what i call art!
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:41, Reply)
I have Bullitt and 2001 - simple and great to look at (much like me!)
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:38, Reply)
Black and white photographs of nature being some of my favourites, as are some of the works of Rob Sheridan (did a lot of work for NIN).
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I prefer photography to paintings/drawings.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:51, Reply)
But that's more contemporary than modern.
And Jeff Buckley walks a fine line between "utterly rock and roll" and "fucking emo" for the whole "walk into a freezing river with your guitar" thing. Still, his voice. HIS VOICE.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:37, Reply)
www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?workid=10317&roomid=3669
But then at some point when it was at the Tate Liverpool, they put a cordon around it.
DUR! Most of the point of it was walking among the cubes and seeing the reflections and experiencing it, as well as looking at four pretty mirrored cubes.
Knobs.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:42, Reply)
I'm always amazed that isn't cordoned off. It's quite eerily pretty though.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:46, Reply)
Here. It's used sump oil, so the metal fragments in the oil produce an almost perfect black mirror
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:53, Reply)
www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot_details.aspx?intObjectID=5221392
They're pretty cool.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:43, Reply)
Also: Erwin Wurm's 'Fat cars' series
Chapman Brothers' 'Distasters of War'
Carsten Hollen's 'Killing Children' series
Charles Ray in general
But Allen Jones' 'Chair' is awesome and I want it!
www.shafe.co.uk/art/Allen_Jones-_Hatstand_and_Chair-_1969.asp
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:55, Reply)
I so want to see this in person: www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23488320-chapman-brothers-hell-is-rising-from-ashes.do the pictures of it are fantastic but you tell tell it's not a patch on the whole thing
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:25, Reply)
I saw some of their stuff at Tate Liverpool a few years ago. Their attention to detail and twisted sense of humour are so, so awesome.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:27, Reply)
will have to find out when they're next doing something in London.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:34, Reply)

I really like the order and restraint and use of colour.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:45, Reply)
It BLATANTLY RIPS OFF L'Oreal's 80s 'Studio Line' hair gel graphics.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:58, Reply)
Saw some really stunning stuff in the art gallery at the monastery of Montserrat. Like this one.

Opened my eyes to picasso being a bloody good artist.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:46, Reply)
Once you've seen those you have to concede that the abstract stuff was definitely done by choice and not because he couldn't draw proper, like. I think there are probably a great many modern artists who couldn't also do a perfect portrait in oils. The cunts.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:00, Reply)
There was a statue man made out of televisions that impressed.
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I've seen loads of photography I like, like that one of those people on a building site in New York and they're on a steal girder eating lunch.
And have you seen that one with the dogs playing poker? That's wicked.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:50, Reply)
However I think you would like one of Damien Gosh's more surreal efforts.
A pug in a clown outfit with a six gun, smoking a pipe and balancing on a big ball.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:57, Reply)
damien-gosh.deviantart.com/gallery/
Seems like a copy'n'paste load of tattoo art.
Or this bloke....
www.google.co.uk/images?q=Klimt&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1916&bih=984
which seems dull to me.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:07, Reply)
www.moolf.com/amazing/vision-of-hell-by-jake-and-dinos-chapman.html
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorticist
Do like my some Wyndham Lewis!
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I like the lack of restraint and order, and the use of colour.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:52, Reply)
but I quite like the Angel of the north. It's a welcome sight at the end of a long journey to gods own land.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 11:56, Reply)
I just happen to have to travel to Newcastle for work soemtimes.
I do like it up there though.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:05, Reply)
When I was a kid, we actually had a whippet and two ferrets. I'm sure I have a flat cap lying around somewhere too. I am so Yorkshire it's a bit wrong.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:10, Reply)
If if goes through, I will actually be able to say that.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:14, Reply)
Goldsmiths: But is it Art?
I wanted to punch every single person on that programme in the face forever.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:00, Reply)
Its the clean lines and simplicity
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Who the hell thought that something that looks like this...
^[A-Z0-9._%+-]+@[A-Z0-9.-]+\.[A-Z]{2,4}$
... would code validation for an email address? How the fuck is that readable by a non autistic?
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:22, Reply)
{::Any::}@{::Any::}.{::Any:2-4:}
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:30, Reply)
... but as something tends towards being very specific (and your example is a little ambiguous, right - what's an "Any" for example) so it gets more and more mad.
Some of it looks like line noise, I'll totally agree though. Ctrl-Alt-Palm, and there you go, instant regex ...
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:44, Reply)
Wouldn't go with any of my stuff but who cares!
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:09, Reply)
along with Jean-Michel Basquiat. They were a pair of fashion benders rather than the LEGENDS OF THE OLD SKOOL like Seen, Phase II, Dondi White, Lee and many others.
If you want to watch an 'art film' where the artists are prepared to work for no money under cover of darkness & constant fear of arrest or death, watch 1981's 'Style Wars'. It's fucking incredible.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Style_Wars
How many of today's successful gallery artists who really mean it, maaaan do you think would be prepared to risk life and limb for their art? Very fucking few.
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at the risk of being told it is shit, I rather like some of the work of Charlotte Atkinson - saw some originals in our local picture framers the other week and would love to own one.
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viz: www.guggenheim.org/new-york/education/school-educator-programs/teacher-resources/arts-curriculum-online?view=item&catid=719&id=25
I was visiting the Guggenheim in '95, and the best bit of that piece was taking some of it, and very nice it tasted too. Well, the obligatory little white card stuck to the wall with the bumf on it said that's what it was there for, so that's what me mate and I did.
There was quite a bit of pointed lookery and maybe even the odd tut from some precious NY arty-tards. I think I gave them a very blank look indeed. Not my fault that they're DOING IT WRONG.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:13, Reply)
Lumping beakers like Hirst and Emin, who appear to be trying to sell their work by courting controversy, in with people like Raphael, Elgar and Constable is inexcusable.
The definition of art is a work that exists for no other reason than the creation of the work itself. Courting media publicity discounts a work from being art.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:19, Reply)
Would they still be doing it if some rich deluded twat wouldn't pay them stupid amounts of money for it? If not - not art.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:21, Reply)
I've seen them around a lot: looking for all the world like a Kwik-Save Morecambe & Wise, the great queers.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:27, Reply)
I saw them in my local pub they seemed fairly normal if a bit overdressed.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:40, Reply)
but they do also look like Morecambe & Wise.
(, Tue 7 Dec 2010, 12:49, Reply)
Kwik-save Morecambe & Wise? This is probably why I like them.
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I think it would amuse them.
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to look as if i am drafting a witness statement with all these pictures on the screen.
just saying, like.
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