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If I was in charge of the B3ta fatwa department, we wouldn't be hearing too much from Simply Red in the future. Who's on your musical shit list and why?

(, Thu 30 Dec 2010, 12:00)
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Metallica
and Iron Maiden, and others of that ilk. Not so much because of the music, which I'm just not particularly bothered about, but because of the fans. Every single serious fan seems to care for no other genre of music, almost to the extent of ICP fans, and it just makes no damn sense to me.

Recently on facebook:
Jim Lucas: metallica are the foundations of rock
Oneiromancer: No they aren't you fucking idiot.
Jim Lucas: No, clearly not... that's why every rock band in the world copies them and has done for 20 or so years now
Oneiromancer: and why so many bands prior to Metallica focused their energy on time travelling instead of on writing music.

I'm sure it's something to do with the mindset of serious metal fans, but it seems as though nothing else is actually loud enough for them to understand the subtleties or development of the music.

Having said that, if anyone on here is a big metal fan and actually listens to other things, feel free to correct me.
(, Sun 2 Jan 2011, 23:16, 26 replies)
i love metal
but i'm also very fond of 80's rock and pop and partial to a bit of classical
(, Sun 2 Jan 2011, 23:33, closed)
Consider yourself corrected.
I'm primarily a metal fan, but will happily delve into anything that tickles my fancy, be that dnb, electronica, classical, ambient, jazz, prog, techno, hip hop, industrial or just plain good rock music.

I'm not hugely interested in anything to do with modern RnB, the vast majority of pop and have an especial loathing of indie rock and as a general rule any guitar band that the NME think is good i'll invariably hate. To me, that sort of thing is just rock music without any of the elements that make rock music exciting. You may have your own opinion.

If I like it, I'll listen to it. If I don't, I won't and that applies to many metal bands too. Plenty of "True Metal!" fanboys who can't countenance anything outside of the genre though, I'll admit.
(, Sun 2 Jan 2011, 23:39, closed)
Metallica are (arguably) my favourite band
But I do agree that anyone who sticks to only one genre is missing out.

I'll listen to anything once.
(, Sun 2 Jan 2011, 23:46, closed)
I am a massive black and death metal fan
I also seriously love Old school Blues, Billie Holiday, John Lee Hooker...
I have a passion for Punk and New Wave, loving Bands like Alice Donut and the Ruts.

I really got to like Trance music when I worked in a place that played a lot. I ended up buying box sets like Lisa Lashes and Euphoria. I also really got into Aphex Twin.

I totally love Nick Cave, Simon and Garfunkle. My favourite Opera is Carmen and one day when I can afford it, I am going to see it on stage.

I am always looking for new and interesting music, recently found a Band called Paik who are great.

I have in my CD collection a couple of albums by Unltravox, who I love.

Yeah, I think I disprove your theory, sorry. I know what you mean though, some of those Metallica fans can be real dicks, but at least they don't murder each other and burn down churches like Burzum or Dissection. Hope that helps.
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 1:20, closed)
I went to see Metallica in Birmingham...
It sounded like a pissed off bloke singing about stuff I couldn't understand and some other guys playing guitars and drums and stuff rather tediously all night. Utterley immemorable, apart from when stage started collapsing, and I was falsly lead to beleive the tedious ordeal was about to end...
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 1:23, closed)
Im a metal fan...
But hey, I dont 'dislike' anything thats not..
I keep my options open, I just favour metal over most other genres
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 1:25, closed)
Not sure about Metallica these days...
But I was a fan in years gone by. I reckon they went downhill after '...And Justice For All', but that's just my opinion. Nowadays, bands like Five Finger Death Punch and Hatebreed are more to my taste.

It's not that metalheads love their genre to the exclusion of all else, more that metal in general is the most under-represented type of music in the UK, so we tend to be a bit protective, maybe possessive about it.

I was (at the age of ten) a serious fan of Kate Bush, I then got into Siouxsie & The Banshees, then Marillion, then Iron Maiden and finally just came clean as a metalhead. (Though I do enjoy a bit of trance for the times when I'm driving on night shift, and Astral Projection are old friends here.)

I still play Kate's stuff, and in the last two years years I have been to see Tori Amos, The Blockheads, Ray LaMontagne, Carter USM, Dr. Feelgood and a Rossini recital in between the metal gigs.

Right now the missus is playing Goldfrapp and I ain't complaining. So long as some thought has gone into it and it's done well, I can live with pretty much anything, music-wise.

Except fucking 'gangsta' rap. And free-form jazz. Oh, and U2.

Especially U2...
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 9:22, closed)
The Blockheads and Dr Feelgood?
Have you got a thing for bands with dead lead singers?
Still, excellent choice.
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 9:33, closed)
Both have evolved and polished their sets over many years.
Dr. Feelgood especially.

And Derek The Draw is a great frontman for The Blockheads - easily as entertaining as Dury, who was in his 'bitter and twisted' mode on the only occasion that I saw him...
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 13:50, closed)
I had a chat with Derek last year
on Kilburn High Road, funnily enough.
Dunno about the modern day Feelgoods though, no original members and all that, better off going to see Wilko play.
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 15:59, closed)
I like metal, amongst many, many other things.
(I hate lots of things too, but that's beside the point...)
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 10:05, closed)
They did one good album after Cliff Burton's failed bus-surfing
After that it just sounds like they've run out of steam. Which is the case for a lot of bands from that era / genre (read : roots in SF Bay Area 80s thrash)
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 11:53, closed)
Well agreed about Metallica
but Iron Maiden has some songs that I love.
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 12:07, closed)
I refer the right honourable gentleman to the answer I gave some pages ago
Page 4 indeed, where I unintentionally got accosted by someone angrily insisting their technics decks were just as valid as any other kind of musical instrument.
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 12:27, closed)
Ooohh
I was in that one too, totally agreeing with you. Did you see the bit where he said some 'band' were using the stylus, turntable and mixer (without any vinyl!) to create music? It sounded like R2D2 having an aneurism.
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 17:15, closed)
At no point did I call The Scratch Perverts a band.
They would not claim such a thing either, so less of the bellending and deliberate misquotation please.
(, Tue 4 Jan 2011, 1:09, closed)
Correct.
Apologies.

It was still shit though.
(, Thu 6 Jan 2011, 0:01, closed)
I too am a metallica fan
and I would say that I listen to metal more than any other genre, but having said that I also listen to pop, soft and classic rock, jazz, blues, dance, and drum and bass to name but a few.

However I agree that there are a number of metal fans out there who listen to nothing but, and in my opinion they give metal a bad name. If you go to a metal gig you'll find 90% of the audience are nice, polite, well educated people but the remaining 10% will be the meatheads who frown on people if their hair isn't long enough or they don't have a beard, or if they're not headbanging enough. I would imagine, however, that you get the same people in every genre of music and not just metal.
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 18:48, closed)
I love music.
And I make no distinction between 'merits' of different genres- there are lots of terrible electronic acts (stand up Caspa, the Tidy Boys, Clipz and Cascada), just as there are plenty of terrible metal bands, hip hoppers and indie bands. It's healthy to maintain a mixed musical diet.

And yeah, decks and mixer is a valid musical instrument. The Musicians' Union agree with me on that, as do very many musicians, producers and academics. There's even notation for scratching so other turntablists can play the same scratches as each other.

Consider this a further correction- my current favourite listenings include Sunn O))), Kyuss and Earth. I also love hardcore, which isn't metal, but sort of counts.
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 19:46, closed)
I'd agree with you on the scratching,
but most DJing appears to be about blending existing music and samples rather than creating new music as such.

There is a grey area where a remix arguably transcends the original and becomes a piece of music created in its own right in the same way that a cover version can, but I imagine that's more produced in the studio rather than on decks.
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 20:27, closed)
Bands such as Portishead could not make music without decks and samplers.
And when they released Dummy there was nobody that sounded like that- original, beguiling and soulful music.
(, Mon 3 Jan 2011, 20:31, closed)
I rest my case.

(, Thu 6 Jan 2011, 0:03, closed)
I really like Metallica
And I used to play flute in a Big Band.
(, Tue 4 Jan 2011, 14:06, closed)
I'll stick my tuppence in
Im a massive Metallica fan (Load not withstanding) and I have a very extensive music collection that covers Emminem and Dre all the way to Wagner via the Lightening seeds and Blur and while they clearly weren't the foundations of Rock in gerneral you'll be hard pressed to find anyone in the current generation of heavy bands that wasn't influenced by them

thanks for listening
(, Tue 4 Jan 2011, 16:41, closed)
Actually
I prefer Motorhead myself.
(, Tue 4 Jan 2011, 17:16, closed)
please feel free to be corrected...
I will admit when I was about 14 I probably one of those guys - it was heavy metal or nothing, why the fuck would you listen to anything else?
, Metric,
Thankfully I can say that I have grown up somewhat since then and broadened my tastes hugely - the thrash metal now being accompanied by much more varied sounds - to pick some top artist from last.fm: Radiohead, Pavement, Bruce Springsteen, AC/DC, 65daysofstatic, Blink-182, NIN, Goldfish, Metric, Cat Empire and much much more...

I figure anything is worth a listen, hell, I will even admit to listening to 'pop' artists like Lily Allen or Ellie Goulding on occasions...

So yes, there is more to life than metal, even if a lot of Metallica fans don't seem to realise it.
(, Thu 6 Jan 2011, 1:18, closed)

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