Do you think that art's becoming autonomous means that the inner logic of the aesthetic sphere is set free,
and that this, in turn, makes possible a rationalization of art and, therefore, a cultivation of experiences in dealing with inner nature, or in other words the methodical-expressive interpretation of a subjectivity freed from the everyday conventions of knowledge and action?
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:48, archived)

Yeah, summat like that
I might have a poo
(bogus official shove it up your cunt, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:49, archived)

Use your arse, not your elbow.
/handy hints
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:50, archived)

Right
Arse, elbow. Gotcha.
(bogus official shove it up your cunt, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:51, archived)

No.
Now fuck off.
( Noit happy baby orangutan, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:50, archived)

They've started selling Bulmer's Pear Cider.
You've been a bad influence on this country, young saxon.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:52, archived)

Bulmer's Pear Cider is not like any other pear cider.
It's more like acid piss that someone threw some pear drops into.
( Noit happy baby orangutan, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:58, archived)

Wow, a Pear Cider Snob.
That's like someone who gets picky about precisely which public toilet they go cotttaging in.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:00, archived)

WHY DRINK SOMETHING THAT ISN'T NICE?

( Noit happy baby orangutan, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:01, archived)

YOU TELL ME!
THEY WERE SERVING STOUT AND YOU WENT AND HAD A KOPPERBERG.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:03, archived)

STOUT TASTES LIKE STALE BISCUITS.

( Noit happy baby orangutan, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:05, archived)

FUCK OFF CROMWELL

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:08, archived)

Cromwell had been dead a hundred years before we gave you stout
you daft oirish nonce.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:10, archived)

Where's me recognised code word?

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:11, archived)

I think it's "to be sure" or "so it is".
"There's a bomb in the hotel lobby, to be sure. It's going to go off at four o'clock, so it is."
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:15, archived)

Weston's do a nice perry
Trust me, I'm qualified to judge.
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:05, archived)

Weston's make many lovely things

(bogus official shove it up your cunt, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:09, archived)

Hell yeah.
Old Rosie is big news down this way.
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:11, archived)

Esme was supping that in Cov
And it showed.
(bogus official shove it up your cunt, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:13, archived)

I'm not surprised
it's fucking lethal.
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:14, archived)

I'm a big fan of Thatcher's Katy
But I reckon Weston's Organic just tips it in my favourite cider pole.
(bogus official shove it up your cunt, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:16, archived)

You should try Black Rat
the only pub that sells it, refuses to sell it in any measure larger than a half pint.
Dangerous thing, apple juice.
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:19, archived)

Aye, they had something like that at my local.
I don't sup stuff that strong when out. It makes for a short a troublesome evening.
(bogus official shove it up your cunt, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:22, archived)

This seems eminently sensible.
How might I go about getting a railway job?
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:25, archived)

Ask a railway company if they have any.
You could poke around the ATOC website for a list of companies and contacts. Or have a look at this www.rail.co.uk/ukrail/railcomp/towelcm.htm
(bogus official shove it up your cunt, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:29, archived)

Ta very much
I shall give it a go.
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:43, archived)

Wave your knickerbockers at the oncoming express train to warn it away from the landslide.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:30, archived)

You can get Black Rat by the pint in The White Bear and The Highbury Vaults on St. Michael's Hill.
The most lethal I've come upon is Exhibition served by the half pint in The Coronation Tap in Clifton.
( LimeyTreat Bitch. Lover. Child. Mother. Sinner. Saint., Sun 10 May 2009, 12:25, archived)

That's legendary
but we try to keep it secret.
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:44, archived)

old rosie
thatchers katy...black rat

are these just code words for vagina?
(Just Harry What should I put here?, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:34, archived)

If you are twelve, perhaps.

(bogus official shove it up your cunt, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:35, archived)

Dear sweet shitting christ they do.
I fucking LOVE the stuff. LOVE IT.

God I want a pint now.

/Wicca
( Amorous Badger NAKED BEA ARTHUR PHOTOS 4U, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:21, archived)

'lo wicca'd
y'aright?
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:22, archived)

Really?
I had a bottle of perry from them and it reminded me of the chemical cider that comes in 3 litre bottles.
I'm generally not much of a fan of the stuff anyway though.
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:32, archived)

They are damn good at making cider
if you don't like cider, this is unlikely to be of interest.
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 13:00, archived)

I quite like some Perry, if the weather's nice and I'm in the sun.

( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Sun 10 May 2009, 13:04, archived)

But down there *points*
Bulmers = Magners

so it's nice.
( minimum fuss - an all time favourite, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:03, archived)

It's fucking not.
Regular Bulmers is OK. Not the best, but certainly not the worst. Pear Bulmers is a bit like being given a golden shower by a tramp that only drinks Pear Bulmers.
( Noit happy baby orangutan, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:04, archived)

Regular bulmers in the UK tastes of stale tramp piss
Bulmers in Ireland is nice, as it is the Magners of the UK
( minimum fuss - an all time favourite, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:06, archived)

ALL CIDER IS TERRIBLE! GOODNIGHT!

( ArthurTheRat, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:09, archived)

You, sir, are misinformed
or just plain mental.
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:13, archived)

It's WRONG and tastes of rotten apples and piss.

( ArthurTheRat, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:29, archived)

shouldn't you be down the park drinking a 3 litre bottle of White Lightning?
teenagers these days!
( minimum fuss - an all time favourite, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:13, archived)

ah...
"Bulmers Ltd of Clonmel, Ireland is not connected with HP Bulmers Ltd of Hereford, UK. Bulmers Original Vintage Cider produced by Bulmers Ltd of Clonmel, Ireland is sold outside the Republic of Ireland under the name Magners Original Irish Cider."


or something like that
( TBL I posted this on, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:05, archived)

yup
It's silly but true. It's been quite a while since I last got a dirty look from a barman in Dublin for absent-mindingly ordering Magners
( minimum fuss - an all time favourite, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:08, archived)

they sell both up here
very confusing.
( TBL I posted this on, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:09, archived)

It's not really - don't order Bulmers
I find that's got me through my years of drinking just fine.
( minimum fuss - an all time favourite, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:09, archived)

It's all to do with trademarks
and involves legal action.
I'm just sticking to drinking beer.
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:11, archived)

It would be easier if Bulmers of Hereford accepted they made shit cider and stopped
and Bulmers of Ireland admitted it's a silly name and changed it to Magners.
( minimum fuss - an all time favourite, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:12, archived)

Or if you people developed a proper taste in drink.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:13, archived)

I like a pint of Guinness as much as the next half-hearted Irish man
but I don't find it has the same refreshing effects of other drinks
( minimum fuss - an all time favourite, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:14, archived)

I'm in complete agreement with this remark.

( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:14, archived)

I'm friends with the heiress to the Hereford Bulmers.
FACT.
( LimeyTreat Bitch. Lover. Child. Mother. Sinner. Saint., Sun 10 May 2009, 12:09, archived)

Embrace the Pear
/advertising drone
( minimum fuss - an all time favourite, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:03, archived)

no
I have no explanation for that answer.
( TBL I posted this on, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:50, archived)

I hear you can get explanations in Newry for about half the price they cost down here.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:53, archived)

Pity I can't actually get IN to Newry to buy them
Mind you, I have a cunning plan.... my mate is in the fire & rescue service, and has a car with all the noisy flashy bits - I may steal it and force my way through.
( TBL I posted this on, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:56, archived)

Do you think
that art's becoming autonomous means that the inner logic of the aesthetic sphere is set free,
and that this, in turn, makes possible a rationalization of art and, therefore, a cultivation of experiences in dealing with inner nature, or in other words the methodical-expressive interpretation of a subjectivity freed from the everyday conventions of knowledge and action?

I try not to on Sundays.
( thealternativefact, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:50, archived)

No
I think it's all bollocks spouted by pretentious wankers.
Bit of a contentious viewpoint, I admit.
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:51, archived)

Maybe 90% bollocks?

( Pickle Fairy is clumsily dancing away this fear, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:53, archived)

Depends on your preferred sausage manufacturer
as a general rule, nothing on here is less than 100% bollocks.
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:54, archived)

Well, this is an unhelpful and plainly incorrect answer.

(rnuk http://flickr.com/rnuk, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:00, archived)

So is yours
I'm drunk and spoiling for a fight. Get in.
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:09, archived)

Need an essay doing?

( its_hatorah_bitch is b3ta the devil you know on, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:51, archived)

No.
I just felt like a little light conversation.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:52, archived)

A little less conversation
A little more action, please

/Elvis
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:53, archived)

*blank stare*

( Pickle Fairy is clumsily dancing away this fear, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:52, archived)

I like my tea without sugar

( executiverocker only wears C&A, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:52, archived)

You won't share a beverage with Sir Alan?
You evil bigot.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:54, archived)

I wouldn't
he looks unhealthy, and I don't trust him at all.
Nothing to do with his race, religion, or creed, I just think he's an arse.
( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:57, archived)

he is an arse
*spent most of the 80's fixing fucking Amstrad computers blog*
( TBL I posted this on, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:59, archived)

His equipment is state of the art
www.amstrad.com/products/emailers/e3.html
( executiverocker only wears C&A, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:00, archived)

now that was a bit too ahead of its time
and expensive to use, and like all his stuff broke down at an alarming rate. - at least judging by the number of them we had to return. I liked the idea though.
( TBL I posted this on, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:02, archived)

*fives*

( wynoh kills threads by his mere presence, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:01, archived)

I'm evil I know

( executiverocker only wears C&A, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:59, archived)

doesn't autonomy suggest some sort of control on the domain
so in fact art is placing some sort of aethetic constraint on itself?

/I lost interest after the first comma.
( MrA, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:54, archived)

On the contrary, autonomy requires freedom from constraints.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:55, archived)

autonomy means self governing.
so I think you are stating that within the domain of art, its "autonomous", is that art, as a domain, governs itself. This isn't complete freedom, more that artists goven themselves as a whole, relative to each other. Not sure if this is complete freedom.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by art. If it just the creative process you are right.

/I'm talking right bollocks here
( MrA, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:03, archived)

I see what you've tried to do there
Use a lot of nice sounding words to ask a meaningless question about art
and by doing do, hope to satirise the language of art.

good effort.
( WormuIus, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:58, archived)

I see what you've tried to do here;
a dismissive analysis of my post. Unfortunately your analysis was incorrect.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 11:59, archived)

What was your post about?

( WormuIus, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:00, archived)

It was about sixty words long.
ROFL

I mean, aesthetics.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:02, archived)

Could you re-write it so that it isn't gibberish?

( WormuIus, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:04, archived)

Not without changing the meaning.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:05, archived)

This is going to end up with someone taking their scarf off in a huff.

(bogus official shove it up your cunt, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:06, archived)

It's just an excuse to show people the love bites he got off a fourteen year old slapper behind the bus station.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:14, archived)

The only time I got lumbered with with one of those my mum asked me if I'd been thumped
Not the response I was anticipating.
(bogus official shove it up your cunt, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:21, archived)

Yes
But can you draw me a nice horse?
(bogus official shove it up your cunt, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:00, archived)

Yes.
Send money.
( WormuIus, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:01, archived)

Is size commensurate with price?
I can only lay my hands on about 30p without dipping into my wallet which is way over there.
(bogus official shove it up your cunt, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:04, archived)

I didn't read all of that,
too many big words and such. I'll just answer another question instead.

Yes, it was a good night. My dancing skills are so much better once I've had a few rum n' cokes.
( The Doveston haunted by the memory of his own amnesia, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:00, archived)

No, look, you've fallen over your own argument here.
How can logic be 'set free' when logic is an inferrence? Also, there has always been the possibility of a rationalisation of art, what with rationalisation being an inferrence as well.
(rnuk http://flickr.com/rnuk, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:00, archived)

It's not logic per se that's being set free, but the inner logic of the aesthetic sphere.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:01, archived)

Logic has no constraints from which to be set free though
logic is not bound by any rules as it is inferred from actions. It doesn't matter which fancy faux-sesquipedalian parameters you want to impose on it, it will not be imposed upon. Logic doesn't work like that. Ergo, your post is guff.
(rnuk http://flickr.com/rnuk, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:05, archived)

Go back and brush up on your Godel.
All systems of logic have restraints.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:06, archived)

I don't see what mathematical logic has to do with an argument about the freedom and/or rationalisation of art

(rnuk http://flickr.com/rnuk, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:10, archived)

Then look harder.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:12, archived)

You're doing a particularly shoddy job of convincing me of your argument.
'Then look harder' only serves to convince me of my own point, and to isolate your point as invalid or, even, non-existent. Try again. Using words.
(rnuk http://flickr.com/rnuk, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:15, archived)

*points*

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:16, archived)

Be careful Russel
You can never tell what someone who spells rationalisation with a z might do next.
( WormuIus, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:03, archived)

I blame that cunt Derrida.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:01, archived)

I always blame him.
Especially when I run out of ingredients for things.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:04, archived)

I'd rather talk about whether Eco was primarily concerned w/ rewriting the past or promoting his own agenda with Il nome della rosa.
And does anyone here know anything about the Odyssey?
( LimeyTreat Bitch. Lover. Child. Mother. Sinner. Saint., Sun 10 May 2009, 12:03, archived)

Promoting his own agenda.
Deffo.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:05, archived)

Can you expand on that?
Perhaps into 3000 words, double spaced, MHRA style references. Thanks.
( LimeyTreat Bitch. Lover. Child. Mother. Sinner. Saint., Sun 10 May 2009, 12:06, archived)

Never.
If Eco finds out I'm on to him there'll be hell to pay.
( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:08, archived)

I liked the bit where George Clooney got punched by the Cyclops.

(rnuk http://flickr.com/rnuk, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:06, archived)

I'm interested in the bits about his wife and how she didn't recognise him.
Cos in the modern Italian rewriting of it she does recognise him but I don't know enough about the original to know why she didn't recognise him in the first place and why it's a significant change.
( LimeyTreat Bitch. Lover. Child. Mother. Sinner. Saint., Sun 10 May 2009, 12:08, archived)

She didnt recognise him because he disguised himself.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:09, archived)

Yeah I know. But in the rewriting he does too, but his old wetnurse recognises him and tells her.
Then she has a whole crisis thing because he didn't see fit to reveal himself to her but instead just to Telemaco and Eumeo and when he does reveal himself to her she pretends not to believe him then he almost leaves til she tells him that she does believe him and they stay. but int he original she just seems perfectly happy when he reveals himself to her and nto upset at all that he confided in Telemaco and Eumeo and not her and she's a bit wet. And I don't know why she was so happy just to accept it in the original.
( LimeyTreat Bitch. Lover. Child. Mother. Sinner. Saint., Sun 10 May 2009, 12:13, archived)

Of course she's wet. She married a poofter.

( Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:14, archived)

He disguised himself as a beggar
and went along with all the other suitors, rather than just turn up and say 'Hello, the Wife, I'm home'. I think he was just showing off, to be honest.
(rnuk http://flickr.com/rnuk, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:14, archived)

I'm not sure anything can be totally freed from everyday conventions of knowledge and action.
Even those which seek to reject those values do so in the awareness of those values.
( magnum, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:05, archived)

twat

( scott,, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:15, archived)

I like eggs

( 100% kitten better than ever, Sun 10 May 2009, 12:57, archived)