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Here is something I think we can get debating, about one of the world's oldest proffesions; that of the prostertute.I'm going to start this off with the fact that "I've never slept with someone in exchange for material goods / money / whatever".
I can see both sides to the argument on this one. I think enforced prostitution is tantamount to rape, that when you hear of people being enforced to have sex with men for money, it's horrific. And it's even worst when it's those who are underage.
But why is it so bad when the prostitute in question is voluntarily selling her body? Why is it OK for pornographic stars, who are both being paid? Why is it different for someone to sleep with someone else, such as a footballer, in exchange for the chance to sale the story later on?
There are plenty of people out there, and I'm not saying they're decent people, who will lead someone on, take wine'n'dine them, buy a £25 bit of jewllery from H.Samuels... and their only intention is to get a leg over. Isn't this worst than prostertution because it's under false pretences? Wouldn't you rather a friend of yours go with a prostertute, where all the cards are on the table at the begining, than to hear he's been leading someone on and potentially damaging someone's feelings? Isn't that more nobal?
There are loads of reasons why someone might not find love, or want to find love, but still want to do the phsyical act. Or they might have problems, such as extreme shyness, sexual immaturity, some sort of mental or phsyical defect... where by going to one of these people, they could overcome and learn to be comfortable infront of other people in their own body.
But then there is the other side, generally from what I gather via litrature and documentaries, people who come into such lifestyles are generally prone to some really shit stuff; abuse and drugs mostly. They're trapped in this lifestyle, at least for the time being, they generally don't want to do the job, but they're enslaved by addiction or horrfic people. For some it's a means-to-an-end, they can fund a lavish lifestyle, education or give their children a chance they never had.
What's your two cents on the situation? Do you have any sort of potential solution?
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:07,
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We won't judge you Gonz, shag a prozzie, go on.It's fine.
EDIT the answer is legalisation and regulation - same as it is for the problems associated with YE MASSYVE DRUGGES.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:11,
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I suppose another arguement about the legalisation would be you would get brothals run like a McDonalds or an LA Fitness.Paying next to minimum wage for such acts, with the verious health implications.
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:14,
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The McFuck drive-thru would be a strange experience.(
JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:15,
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I'm going to stop this thread now(
sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:23,
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What do you call a fat girl with a yeast infection?A whopper with cheese.
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Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:24,
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Or, small or large tits?Just Super-Size me!
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JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:17,
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Actually I believe there are brothels not dissimilar to that in certain parts of AmericaThere are fairly strict rules regarding customers' "behaviour," and the girls are trained to check clients beforehand for signs of any STDs and to make sure they wear a condom.
Channel 4 have shown some very strange documentaries in the past.
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And you have recorded each and every one of them.(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:23,
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Yeh', Louis Tharoux did a show on it.And Gale Porter did one on the brothels in Amsterdam. They didn't seem as horrific as society sets it out to be.
But then Anne Witticomb did a show on it and to be honest, I think her rehtoric distroyed any case she had, but I've read fiction with the 'lower levels' of prostertution, things like Martina cole, and at that sort of level it can destroy a person.
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:24,
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Trouble is, you know damn well than Widdecombe had an agendaThere was very little to disguise what might as well have been "Ann Widdecombe Spreads Her Good Christian Conservative Morals Among the Fallen of Society, May God Have Mercy On Them."
Not to say that the others would have been entirely impartial with it, of course.
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Yeh', deffo.I think the best way for Anne Whitticomb to stop prostertution is to burst into the room spilling rehtoryic everywhere.... I know I sure would struggle finishing the job if she burst in the room shouting.
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:18,
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if it's safe, clean and it is their choicethen go ahead.
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:13,
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TOO MANY GONZISMS*explodes*
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TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:13,
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Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:15,
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You should have seen it before the right-click-red-squggly-line bits.I think I spelt Prostertution at least 10 different ways.
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:15,
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For the most part.I've hardly been on here at all.
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:18,
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Call me old-fashioned.Start with deep throat slashes, followed by the mutilation of the face, abdomen and genitals. Carefully remove the internal organs, masturbate on the corpse and then eat the choicest cuts.
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No breast removal?Standards are slipping
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:18,
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Not enough to take them home though, eh?eh? EH?!
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:22,
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why do you always hear about the females and gay males but never straight male prositutes?there's got to be a market for it somewhere, no?
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Lisette von Falcon, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:18,
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prob because as a rule men will shag anything whereas women are a bit more picky.(
SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:23,
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exactlywhy isn't there a place where we can dial up and order what we want?
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Lisette von Falcon, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:29,
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I could never sleep with someone I wasn't sure fancied me or not.Unless I'd had a shit load of alcohol.
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girlinthehole, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:31,
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I imagine sex with someone you love is a glorious thing.I've never experienced it.
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Lisette von Falcon, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:35,
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oh, yeah, I should've said mutual loveeither way it's the same for me, I've slept with people I fancy but not someone I love or loves me.
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Lisette von Falcon, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:02,
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either way, miss blouse, sex is sexyou can still enjoy it
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Lisette von Falcon, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:12,
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it can certainly help(
Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:47,
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dumb fuck, didn't study?(
SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:23,
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I hate being the thickest (in more ways than one) on here!(
SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:29,
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I actually just pressed the keyboard randomlyand that came out
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:33,
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don't try and make me feel better I'm off to do a Heath Ledger.(
SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:36,
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Make another Batman film first then please(
sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:40,
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I do get a bit sad when watching the Dark Knight cause he was bloody brilliant as the Joker.(
SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:47,
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sighI'm going to start this off with the fact that "I've never slept with someone
I can see both sides to the argument on this one. I think enforced prostitution is tantamount to rape, that when you hear of people being enforced to have sex with men for money, it's horrific. And it's even worst when it's those who are underage.
But why is it so bad when the prostitute in question is voluntarily selling her body? Why is it OK for pornographic stars, who are both being paid? Why is it different for someone to sleep with someone else, such as a footballer, in exchange for the chance to sale the story later on?
There are plenty of people out there, and I'm not saying they're decent people, who will lead someone on, take wine'n'dine them, buy a £25 bit of jewllery from H.Samuels... and their only intention is to get a leg over. Isn't this worst than prostertution because it's under false pretences? Wouldn't you rather a friend of yours go with a prostertute, where all the cards are on the table at the begining, than to hear he's been leading someone on and potentially damaging someone's feelings? Isn't that more nobal?
There are loads of reasons why someone might not find love, or want to find love, but still want to do the phsyical act. Or they might have problems, such as extreme shyness, sexual immaturity, some sort of mental or phsyical defect... where by going to one of these people, they could overcome and learn to be comfortable infront of other people in their own body.
But then there is the other side, generally from what I gather via litrature and documentaries, people who come into such lifestyles are generally prone to some really shit stuff; abuse and drugs mostly. They're trapped in this lifestyle, at least for the time being, they generally don't want to do the job, but they're enslaved by addiction or horrfic people. For some it's a means-to-an-end, they can fund a lavish lifestyle, education or give their children a chance they never had.
What's your two cents on the situation? Do you have any sort of potential solution?
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rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:20,
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Oh, you fuckerI was just about to strikethrough "in exchange for material goods/money/whatever"
Curse you. *shakes fist*
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:32,
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I have a brilliant argument on this topic.I don't have time to go into it now, so we'll just have to agree that I'm right and everyone else is wrong for the moment. But we'll do lunch soon, yeah?
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Kroney, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:20,
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I have a brilliant reply so I'll wait for you.Okbye!
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girlinthehole, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:23,
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I think it's disgustingAnd I would never date a man I knew had visited one because I think payting for sex puts you into a certain category. Pretty much every study has shown that women who enter prostitution are likely to have far higher rates of mental illness, be sexually diseased and unable to experience pleasure in a normal sexual relationship. That's apart from the fairly strong link between being abused as a child, or sexually assaulted as an adult.
We don't legalise child labour because it might give a way for children to help support their families so why should we legalise an industry that brings those sort of problems with it
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:24,
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You've obviously never watched Secret Diary of a Call GirlProstitution is glamourous and sexy
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TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:25,
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see also: Pretty Woman(
Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:27,
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which was originally called "three thousand dollars"but they felt that highlighted the prostitution part rather than the romantic part.
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rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:28,
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Is that the one where Macooly Cokein got killed by bees?(
G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:29,
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I'm going to assume this was deliberateAnd maybe even an attempt to start it as a meme.
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Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:35,
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It was deliberateAnd I don't want a meme I just want a day of glessing for a change.
Are you coming to my birthday party in March?
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TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:36,
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You said, repeatedly I might add, that I'm not welcome.(
Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:37,
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Oh course you areI wuv oo
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TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:37,
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Good job it's already in my calendar then innit(
Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:38,
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woot woot to the woot woot(
TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:43,
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It wasn't deliberate, but I knew it was wrong and wasn't bothered to change it =)(
G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:38,
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I was talking about TGB's repeated use of "gless"I never question your typing Gonz :)
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Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:39,
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I'm changing my sig for that, in honour of your genius.(
the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:35,
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Oh I wanted a sig from that too :((
TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:37,
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Also - see Pretty Woman.It always ends in happiness except when Vippers says the same just before I post.
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this is very trueMy argument is ruined :(
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:29,
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It's the oldest proffession hon!You'll never get rid of it so we can try to make it safer is all.
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girlinthehole, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:27,
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We can always make things betterBut in this case it isn't by legalising it. An official way for (mainly woman) to sell their bodies rather than get a real job, and to have it destigmatised. Reducing sex down to a transaction in which all the power results with the customer is more than a llittle disturbing. Nor will it tackle the prblem with illegal sex workers because the profits are too big, and you're talking about relying on punters to go the legal route- hardly the most morally upstanding person around. Do you think most of them really care about whether their prostitute is here legally- or for that matter has consented.
Sorry about mistakes am on my phone
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:37,
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I think you would be very surprised at how many people care whether they are here legally or has consented.not implying that I know, but I think it would be surprising.
it is never going to go away, so legalising and regulating is the best that can be done to reduce the issues with it.
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:41,
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No offenceI find it difficult to believe that a Latvian girl who doesn't speak English has many customers worried about the fine detail of consent
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:53,
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not offensive in the slightestI suspect your are correct on that point. I can't say I know all that much about the statistics of how many prostitutes are in what situation.
Can't really make much of an argument without that.
The point being though, it's shit as it is, if something can be done through regulation that helps some, without hurting others, then surely it should be done
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:06,
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if a lot of women became prostitues imagine how many job openings there would be for other folk(
Lisette von Falcon, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:42,
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Taking the moral highground isn't going to help either.It's just far to endemic in society to ban outright. The more you push it underground then the more dangerous it becomes. The best thing is to concentrate on tackling the non-consensual side of the prostitution business and let the women who choose to work be safe and healthy.
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girlinthehole, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:45,
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Agreed.I would be overjoyed if the Government allowed my bitches and hos some form of health and insurance plans.
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Health and insurance plans?We're not American
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:51,
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some of us still have private health care/insurance(
Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:54,
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Shows what kind of jobs I wantthat I've never seen it offered haha
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:57,
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I get dental as well.the private staff are so much hotter than NHS ones.
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:00,
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I don't understand people who say thistaking the moral high ground isn't some sort of academic wishy-washy if only the world was better, it's an step towards saying the world *should* be better and it's our choice about whether we try and make it so.
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:56,
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I'll probably failnothing will ever change in my lifetime and likely nothing will ever change because of me. But at least I'll have given it a shot
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:02,
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We can change things but not in grand sweeping gestures of all or nothing.You do what you can where you can and in the places that need it the most.
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girlinthehole, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:04,
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It can't be the oldest profession.Unless there already other professions around then nobody could have afforded to pay for the whores.
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Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:44,
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It's also not really a profession, just a job.(
Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:47,
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I think it is a profession.Most women who do it do no other type of work in their lives.
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girlinthehole, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:56,
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That's not a professionthat's a job. A profession requires specific educational training as far as I remember i.e. doctor, teacher, lawyer. Being a prostitute means lying on your back and faking not being repulsed.
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:01,
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I hadn't considered it beforebut if I was paying for it, I'd want the hooker to be some kind of medal winning sex athelete who could and would blow my mind.
I think that is what my brain would assume to be the norm, rather than the exception. It's a bit odd in here.
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:13,
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Whereas looking at the inhabitantsof St Pauls in Bristol what you're going to get is broken-down old nag
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:20,
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I'd find it hardbut no offence the type of people who go into it don't really seem to find it hard. But yes, physically I imagine it's rather easy
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:13,
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The type of people who go into it don't really seem to find it hard?What is the 'type' and how do you know how flippantly they have entered the 'business' or whether they did it willingly at all?
That's really mean.
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:18,
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There is no type*shrugs* the point I was trying to make is they're still doing it. If it was that hard they would find some way to quit. And if they did it unwillingly- that is rape, and they don't find it easy obviously. We're talking though about women who have presumably consented.
The reason *I* would find it hard is I have no motivating desperation or reason why I have to and thus the idea of sex for money is repulsive.
Sorry if it came across as being horrible though
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:21,
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Some of them have 'boyfriends' who beat them.Some of them have been being used this way since they were teenagers and have such little self-esteem or independent thought that they can't even comtemplate a way out.
You can't assume that because they can't/won't do what you would do in that situation that they deserve everything they get, and really love lying on their back pretending not to be repulsed.
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:25,
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Doesn't sound likean argument in favour of prostitution to me. Nor is it the sort of thing that will be stamped out by legalisation.
How on earth have I said they deserve everything they get? They are obviously and patently victims. They are also victims of a system that doesn't actually seem to see much wrong with this going ahead and people paying money to take advantage of them. Legalising it isn't going to change anything.
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:30,
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I wasn't talking about legalising itI was talking about how you were implying it was easy and that if they wanted to leave they'd have left by now, and how there is a 'type'.
The world has many shades of grey, that's all I'm saying. Using terms like 'type' will get us nowhere. If you're debating something like this you can't make assumptions or bring your prejudices into it.
I'm not debating whether or not to legalise it, but the way you expressed your views made me feel a bit sad.
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:34,
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To be fairI made it quite clear that when I said easy I was talking about physically, rather than mentally. People are tougher mentally than they are physically.
We may have to agree to disagree but I can't ever find prostitution right or morally acceptable, and I thought I'd made it relatively clear that it isn't the prostitutes I'm blaming but the demand for them.
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:42,
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I never said it was right or morally acceptable, so I don't know exactly what we're disagreeing on.I'll ruminate on things like this, but I don't get vehement because I reckon that there's always something life can teach me.
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:45,
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Haha I think we might have gotour wires crossed. I can be a bit judgemental sometimes I know but usually it's just because I get too impassioned about things
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:51,
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if you are saying the demand for them is the problemmaybe more women just need to be slags?
you've only got yourselves to blame here
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:47,
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Are you officially starting the Campaign for More Whores?(
Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:48,
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nomore slags = less whores
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:49,
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I'll work on it(
Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:53,
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that was deliberateit's a slogan that dumb slags need to understand, and by this I do not in any way mean Roota or Amberl
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:54,
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It can be"Kill me some animal and make me a fire and I'll let you have sex on me"
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That's not prostitution, that's Welsh seduction.(
Dr Preference AjcuiVd289, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:53,
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Pretty much every studyis funded by groups that have a vested interest in studies resulting in exactly those outcomes.
not disagreeing with you, just saying.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:34,
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Have you read Michael Chriton's "State of Fear" ?It's an awesome book which brings to light the the argument between 'Industrialists' and 'environmentalist'... and how they _both_ have an invested interest in the studies to the arguement.
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:39,
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I think a lot of people who pay for sex are creeps.At an old place I worked, they would talk about it all the time, they would talk about what I would consider abuse of these women, and I felt sickened when I heard these stories. [I just wrote one of them, and felt I didn't want that sort of thing on here, so I've replaced it with this note]
But what about :-
- The widow who just wants to feel a human touch without while he waits to die to be with their partner?
- The buisnesman who doesn't want to hurt anyone because his life is 100% buisness but wants the occasional human touch?
- The young kid who is to shy to be phsyicly (fakely) intermet with someone else?
- The 40 year old virgin?
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:37,
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intermethaha please stop I'm not supposed to be laughing at work
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TGB checking Off Topic is still shit at, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:40,
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Like TGB your list made me laughbut sadly I think you'll find the categories of bereaved widower and shy internet virgins don't make up a very large percentage
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:49,
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Hello?have you been paying ANY attention to where you're posting?
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:50,
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Haha!This is very true *goes off to find a prostitute for herself*
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:58,
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I've been reading to many books =((
G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:04,
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I honestly don't have a solution to the sex industry Gonzsorry to let you down.
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In other news you're all internet peopleWhat does this smiley mean :P
does it mean they're being sarcastic?
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I interpret it as being sarcastic or joking/being mean in a friendly manner(
Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:36,
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I wouldn't say sarcasticyour other meanings though are how I use it.
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:39,
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it means you're sticking your tongue out while speakingit can be flirty, it can be jokey. It doesn't usually imply sarcasm, unless the texter has just agreed to a date with you?
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:37,
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I pretty sure life was easier when you married people for their land.(, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:39, Reply)
how can you speak with your tongue sticking out?you used to make sense, tmb.
anyway it also means they are a twat. smileys are the most irritating things on the planet, there are millions and millions of words in the english language. if you can't use one or more of them to express yourself, you and your phone should die in a fire. slowly.
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rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:39,
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it's two weeks into term.I usually lose all connection to reality about now and don't get it back for about 8 weeks or so.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:41,
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Also, to be honestthey have uses. It's very hard to convey emotion in text. They help occasionally, say, if you want to make absolutely sure something isn't taken seriously.
But, yeah, if they are every other cunting character then death should result
But I have much less of problem with emoticons than with fucking txtspk.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:46,
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Sticks tongue out whilst replying....*Goes and gets fire extinguisher*
:)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:43,
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they are usefulwhen body language and expressions aren't available.
I don't want to have to write "this is not meant as written, but should be taken as tongue-in-cheek" at the end of everything
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:43,
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^^ This^-^
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:44,
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nothis is no excuse. spik eeenglish, boy.
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rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:55,
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I'm afraid you are wrong in this instancealso, I feel that my response to you in the previous thread was sadly neglected. I want to know what you think (for some reason) :-P
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:58,
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to this:I bet there was a grain of truth in it
and we weren't necessarily talking about you in particular.
The unfortunate thing is that as much as it sucks, it happens. Not everyone will do it. There is an element of needing to man the fuck up. It is not the fault of every man that she may have low self-esteem brought on by this, it is unlikely that any of them set out to bring her down.
Getting that worked up about it, and doing what seems like settling for someone awful because all the others she's been out with have been shit is a bit desperate in my view.
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rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:00,
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well yeah, 50% of what people say when they are joking is truemost of the time the whole "hey, i'll give you a call" thing is just a bit crap. if you've done it to a mate, or you've actually had sex rather than just a quick snog, it's a horrible thing to do to anyone, and you really are a cunt.
if it's just after a blind/dating website date, it's nowhere near as bad, but it is still a sign of a weak character, who isn't following the simple rule of being a decent human being: treat everyone as you would want to be treated.
a little bit. i think she is telling herself that dr hug is a genuinely lovely guy and she thinks there is something wrong with her for not fancying him, so wants to keep trying. whereas i think, he irritates the blue fuck out of you, move on!
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rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:04,
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capitulation!yeah, the "I'll call you" thing is crap. There's even an episode of Friends about it.
Someone saying they'll call and then not pisses me right off personally (if it's a mate/work thing etc.) but then unpunctuality makes me want to commit murder too.
the thinking she should fancy him thing is where you should come and in and make sure she isn't just seeing him for that reason. You don't need to make her think what you do, but make sure she knows what she thinks and acts on it.
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:09,
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it can't be difficult to think"how would i want this girl/guy to treat me" and then put that into action.
i mean - nobody would ask themselves that question and come up with the answer: "pretend to be keen in order to get laid, make all the moves on me, have sex with me, then say they'd call me when they had no intention of ever calling again", ffs!
if you think i haven't told her that, repeatedly and vehemently, most often sloshing vodka over her, you don't know me as well as i thought!
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rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:24,
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now we get to the crux:most people are stupid and/or cunts.
you need to find a better way to drum it into her head.
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:30,
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well yeahi'm certainly a lot more guarded than i used to be as a consequence of some stupid AND cuntish behaviour!
more vodka, vipros. more vodka.
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rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:42,
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good for you ;-)a girl after my own heart. I love vodka.
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:45,
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did the message come from a dog?(
Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:50,
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you never knowshe could be a mental, in which case you are in with a chance.
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:52,
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I read that as a dog being out of your league(
sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:52,
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To tell you the truth a dog that could email me messagesdeserves some sort of nobel prize and is therfore out of my league.
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Crow wades in...Enforced prostitution is rape, I agree. Rape, by its very definition, is being forced to have sex with someone without your own consent.
When it's done voluntarily, the moral boundaries become a bit blurred. It's not necessarily considered "OK" for porn stars to do it - some would argue it's no better than "normal" prostitution, and to be fair you can see why.
One thing we can say for sure is that men are instilled with a desire to get their end away. The size of a man's libido varies very widely between cases, but it's probably fair to say that, on average, they have a greater desire for sex than women. Hence there is demand for sexual partners.
Prostitutes, on the other hand, need money. If both partners are consenting to have sex through a mutually agreeable arrangement (i.e., he pays her), is there anything wrong with the transaction? Well, maybe it depends on why the prostitute needs the money. As Gonz rightly points out, many of them are driven to it by drug addiction and/or intimidation by other men (pimps, basically). Most of them are only doing it out of desperation, and that's where I think most people would agree it becoms morally dubious: most likely, the prostitute has been driven to this position by desperation, and so paying her for sex starts to seem exploitative.
Is it different from taking a girl out for a night and lying your way through a date to get laid? Well, yes. Ok, He might know full well He's only taking Her out because He wants "one thing" - but that's not to say She can't play Him at His own game. Such is the nature of the dating game, and we all play it in different ways at different times depending on our different desires. She doesn't have to give into Him, no matter how much He lavishes on Her, or how charming He thinks he's being. In these very polarised cases, He will be trying to get his end away and move on as quickly as possible to spread his seed further. She, on the other, will keep her cards close to her chest to trick him into staying with her and having children whom they will raise together. (Obviously these will not be representative of two people chosen at random, it's a broad generalisation, but carries more than a little truth when you consider our different roles in the reproductive process.)
I'm rambling now so I'll finish this when I work out where I'm going with it.
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your 3rd paragraphTo say that men have a higher libido I feel would be somewhat sweeping, to this end I would have thought that both sexes have similar libidos, however due to societorial pressures men are regually seen to be the sexual aggressors and women the token or object of desire. In common manners it is not "seemly" for a woman to express a high libido and more so for a man to ergo the assumption that men have a higher sex drive, like most things this is just something that we with the dangly bits like to think.
The hooker thing though is harder to answer, do some of them do the job out of choice? or are all forced by one thing or another (pimp, drug addiction, lack of other work) I would however have thought that the best solution is legalising and licensing so at least the explotation is kept to a minimum.
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Is it societal? I'd argue it's actually more biological. What's societal is the associated stigma.Consider the wild state from whence we came: the male of the species produces viable sperm from sexual maturity to, in many cases, death. In an environment where resources are plentiful and so are partners, it is in the interest of his genes' continued proliferation that he impregnate as many females as possible, not least of all because if he doesn't, the other men will.
The female of the species, on the other hand, has a limited span of fertility. There are phases on a monthly basis during which she is completely infertile, and she has a limited number of eggs to offer for the purpose of furthering her own genes. A "successful" sexual encounter also puts her "out of action" for at least nine months, and so it's in her interest to be more restrained and taking greater care in choosing her partners.
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Actually I did read somewherethat the one bit male biologists like to forget to talk about, is if that scenario is correct then it makes sense for women to have sex with as many men as possible within that period of fertility. It's not actually a case of selecting the best partner at all. I could be wrong but it's an interesting take on it.
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:10,
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if that were the casethen what would be the point of the fighting and displays etc. designed for the male to show they are the best?
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:16,
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That works if the process of gestation and giving birth is as straightforward as going for a haircut.Unfortunately it's not. We have a nine-month gestation period, which uses up time that could otherwise be spent being fertile. Also, as a species, our offspring spend several years being dependent on their parents for food and shelter. In this case, it is therefore beneficial to the survival of the offspring if the father sticks around to help provide food (as opposed to Mum going out to forage and leaving the children vulnerable). However, this is also an incentive not to get knocked up by a different partner in the meantime - Dad is less likely to stick around to raise the kids if he can't be sure they're his own. This therefore limits Mum's options, so it makes sense to be more choosy about the partner if it might be her only one.
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In this caseAre you refering to mammals in particular as in nature there aare many examples when the male is merely a pair of testicles to be used and the female of the species has the power (that fish thing whose name escapes me at the moment and many spiders etc)? (just being picky about the "wild state" bit)
Again looking at nature and looking at most species other than Humans you see that the majority of females in nature would be termed sluts in human useage as they tend to have sex with multiple partners during their respective seasons, and the males are just there to provide the fluids.
As humans have evolved from a species that has sex just for procreation and turn it into a hobby, I would suggest that the society pressure is the key factor. This I would place at the door of religion meaning that sex is a bad thing and you should only do it for teh creation of life, otherwise like most other mammals when a women was approaching her most fertile (during each monthly cycle) she would be fucking anything with a cock to ensure both successful impregnation and also the greatest chance of genetic diversity.
(I have rambled a bit there and hope it comes across as the coherent argument I have in my head)
edit as teh above has just said while I waffled on and on
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when he could steal it?you disgust me
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Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:55,
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Me too, to a pointI like sex as much as the next guy but I can live without it.
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Apologies again(
sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:13,
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They tend to pay because they can't get their heads around.(
thealternativefact, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:56,
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it's forbidden and naughty, maybe?or perhaps those girls will do things that their wives won't (like have sex with them at all)?
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rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 15:58,
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I just think half the enjoyment from having sex with someone is surely that they actually want to have sex with you as well.Rather than getting paid twenty quid for it so they can sort out a load of smack or buy the DVD boxset of Spooks or whatever it is they do with their money.
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Apparantly it's usually to buy their childrena new set of Tom and Kate books and ensure their entry into private school.
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Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:08,
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I suppose if it's sex or a really good japanese meal, I'd be torn between the two.(
G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:22,
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In Germany they have these deals...Where you pay a set price. They call it "All you can fuck". You hang out at the brothel all day long and they throw in some nosh and a bit of booz into the price. Some even offer a laundry service while you are there.
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The brothels in Hamburg were hilarious. Like giant hotels.We got kicked out of the one we went in though. I thought they'd like us waltzing around singing the theme tune to Men Behaving Badly whilst extremely bissed, but no.
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The Germans and the Japenese are a wierd bunch.It probably has something to do with losing the war.
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girlinthehole, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:11,
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Don't mention the war!Also, let's face it, Baz and his mates were probably blitzed.
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Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:16,
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They say the British are weird and the food is crap.However, there is agreement that the Japanese are weird.
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Legalised brothels, regular health checks, assured safety for the women.Seems impossible.
Maybe if it was less of a taboo, you'd get less seedy bastards using and controlling these women.
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 17 Jan 2011, 16:20,
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