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Good morrow, foetid reprobates.
I have had a weekend of high and low culture: exotic cuisine (well, Mexican but v. good), museums (Hunterian), MDs (guess), canalside walks (Regent's followed by Mile End nature reserve...and old jazz pub: The Palm Tree), subterranean bars (Gordons), fun with child. All in all it was superb.

You?

Alt: Which book you have read has affected you most? I don't want to hear about fucking shitty films or television programmes, you can shove them up your fucking arse.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 8:44, 138 replies, latest was 15 years ago)
Probably American Psycho
Or Lolita. And possibly John Berger's Into Their Labours trilogy.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 8:58, Reply)
i've been ill. I'm still ill
The Sparrow by Mary Doria RUssell. Or 1984. Or Down and Out in Paris and London (since I later lived below minimum wage in both cities)
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:01, Reply)
book
Bang bang club. And before anyone asks it's not a porn book. It's about the history of South Africa just after the ANC was banned. Riveting read.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:04, Reply)
No book inparticular but it would have to be the feminist literature I read when I was at Polytechnic.
It really opened my eyes to the way women have been marginilized or forgotton in Art, history, literature, religion, science etc

Also The Road by Cormack McCarthy and The Sparrow. Two books that brought out strong emotions in me.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:06, Reply)
oooh! you read The Sparrow - isn't it brilliant!
I bloody hated The Road, though. Everyone raved about it, I just wanted them to get the fuck on and die so I didn't have to keep reading
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:11, Reply)
Have you read the second book? Can't remember the name.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:18, Reply)
Das Autobahn?

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:18, Reply)
I fucking love Kraftwerk.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:20, Reply)
Kommon Sie Bitte
Und listen to Kraftwerk
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:23, Reply)
children of God
yes I have. It was out of print until very recently. Not read it for ages as I lent it to someone, but if I remember correctly it was even more traumatic :( In a good way
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:19, Reply)
At the same time, men have been marginalised and forgotten in the bearing and raising of children.
Could these two things possibly be related?
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:14, Reply)
Are you saying that that is women's fault?
It's only recently that men have expressed a desire to help raise the children in a much more hands on capacity.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:17, Reply)
I'm saying that to a certain extent it's biology's 'fault'.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:19, Reply)
'fault' is not so important
so much as working out how to put it right
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:22, Reply)
Maybe but only slightly.
For example. When archeology and pre-history was first studied, like many subjects, it was an all male pass time. These male archeologists bought to the subject their rigid sexism and everything that was hypothosized was given a male perspective. To them there was no concept that women could have invented fire, language or the wheel.

I had never thought about that kind of thing before. It began to open my eyes to what I've been taught to believe about history in general.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:32, Reply)
Fucking women, always fucking moaning.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:35, Reply)
and boys just think with their cocks

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:37, Reply)
There's three suitable places for women;
The bedroom, the kitchen and the disco.

copyright Ron Atkinson...

perhaps they are marginalised because at the time they were focussed solely on nurturing and invented fuck all of note (although did provide the future of the species).
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 11:31, Reply)
Glad to hear it Mr Boyce. I assume the ex's potassium levels are no longer at Police-bothering levels.
My weekend was a mixed bag; excellent night out with workmates, during which I discovered that absolutely none of them can dance, Saturday a bit of a write-off due to combined hangover/comedown, Sunday spent much time biting my tongue as Ms Foxtrot pulled apart my technique at Ballroom practice, then went home and killed things on Xbox to make up for it. Also watched It Happened One Night, which I appreciate is a "fucking shitty film" but is a) absolutely bloody brilliant and b) even OLDER THAN YOU.

Alt: excellent question. No idea. On the grounds that my passion for literature was sparked by Roald Dahl it must be the first book of his I read, which I believe was George's Marvellous Medicine. Let me think about this a bit more and get back to you.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:07, Reply)
when I was little I knew The Twits off by heart

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:08, Reply)
Funny you should mention that
I'm not sure that wasn't my first Dahl. My favourite was Matilda but that wasn't published until I was about 8 I think
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:16, Reply)
I think I remember The Witches
coming out. That was my favourite
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:22, Reply)
They sent her home when the levels went from three times down to two times the safe limit.
Thank you for asking.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:16, Reply)
My first Dahl was "My Uncle Oswald"
that was an eye-opener for a 12 year old.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:39, Reply)
i bloody love that book

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:48, Reply)
Saucy!

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:57, Reply)
Alt: it's a tough call, but possibly either Papillon or Crime & Punishment.
Neither book is something I thought I'd enjoy before I read them, either.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:18, Reply)
I love Papillon.
I did see the film first but the book was fantastic.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:19, Reply)
why were they so affective?

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:20, Reply)
Good question.
The humanity and spirit of Papillon really shone through – what an amazing story about a really decent human being. ‘Inspirational’ is a term often bandied about carelessly but in the case of that book I feel it is justified.

Crime and Punishment is a book that I genuinely could not stop reading. I really went through all of the protagonist’s emotions with him and the suspense of it all was almost unbearable – a genuine work of genius, I say.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:27, Reply)
You sound well bent
Just sayin'.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:28, Reply)
but but
it's all manly with prisons and stuff
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:31, Reply)
You look well bent.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:32, Reply)
A modern-day warrior, mean mean stride, today's Tom Sawyer, mean mean pri-
A modern-day warrior, mean mean stride, today's Tom Sawyer, mean mean pri-
A modern-day warrior, mean mean stride, today's Tom Sawyer, mean mean pri-
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:34, Reply)
*punches air*

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:39, Reply)
Did you enjoy the Hunterian?
We had a jolly good smirk at a few of the exhibits and cringed at some of the medical instruments. I hope I never get gall stones!
Alt: My Dad used to read The Hobbit to my sister and I when we were kids, putting on voices for Gollum and Smorg. Fueled my imagination for a lifetime.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:22, Reply)
The jars of syphilitic bell-ends were a little unpleasant.
I found the unborn children in jars upsetting too - but the skeleton of that Italian midget gave me a massive bone-on.

It's 'Smaug' by the way, you semi-literate cock muncher.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:34, Reply)
yeah, Smorg was my hamster

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:35, Reply)
It didn't look right when I wrote it
But he did read it to me, that's my excuse.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:36, Reply)
Jars are the best place for children

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:57, Reply)
Seconded
Motion carries, all children are to be kept in jars.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:58, Reply)
*buys shares in glass jar companies*

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:58, Reply)
Please refer to Brave New World
for more details
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:01, Reply)
Does it Matter by Alan Watts
I can honestly say I read it and then changed the way I live my life. If very short, everyone should read it.

*Edit* Weekend sucked. Wife went in to early labour for the second time this month and I spent my weekend in a plastic chair like they had in school. Then it all stopped and we went home, 4 hours sleep and back to work. Shit.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:23, Reply)
I've not heard of it
what's it about/its central themes?
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:25, Reply)
From the Amazon Product Description
This is a series of essays representing philosopher Alan Watts's most recent thinking on the astonishing problems of man's relations to his material environment. The basic theme is that civilized man confuses symbol with reality, his ways of describing and measuring the world with the world itself, and thus puts himself into the absurd situation of preferring money to wealth and eating the menu instead of the dinner.
Thus, with his attention locked upon numbers and concepts, man is increasingly unconscious of nature and of his total dependence upon air, water, plants, animals, insects, and bacteria. He has been hallucinated into the notion that the so-called "external" world is a cluster of "objects" separate from himself, that he "encounters" it, that he comes into it instead of out of it. Consequently, our species is fouling its own nest and is in imminent danger of self-obliteration.

Here, a philosopher whose works have been mainly concerned with mysticism and Oriental philosophy gets down to the "nitty-gritty" problems of economics, technology, clothing, cooking, and housing.

It was written in 1970 but is still relevant today.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:28, Reply)
sounds Baudrillardian
(I don't even know if that's a word). Might have to check to see if the library has a copy
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:31, Reply)
Simulacra and Simulation, yes

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:38, Reply)
All boils down to womb envy innit.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:33, Reply)
I always imagine that as soon as Big Brother started
he just sat in his chair looking smug, going "told you so..."

edit: shit, replied to the wrong thing. I'm ill, OK!
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:40, Reply)
Yes dear.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:40, Reply)
Not a good weekend.
My gf's Granny passed away on Friday night which is very sad. She was 90 though, so a "good innings". 2nd anniversary of my Dad's passing also, so quite glum and am glad to be back at work.

Alt; probably Post Office by Charles Bulowski but for emo "I-am-a-hard-done-by-14-year-old" reasons. Nothing spiritually profound.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:23, Reply)
sorry to hear that.
A weekend to mostly forget
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:33, Reply)
What weekend?
Yes, definitely.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:37, Reply)
Andy McNab's "bravo two zero", as it was the first book I read, at 18ish, that wasn't forced by anyone (eg, I read for pleasure)

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:37, Reply)
Good morning to you.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:40, Reply)
MOrnin monts
How goes it?
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:53, Reply)
Excellent thanks. I had a three-day weekend which is always good.
I understand going for dim sum is on the cards soon?
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:01, Reply)
Oh win, I'm all up in that.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:33, Reply)
Lusty's Chinese flatmate is our gateway to the inside knowledge.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:36, Reply)
On sat I went to my mums for a well needed bit of TLC, had q 3 hour long bath and homeade fish and chips, which was Devine.
On sunday I visited dads grave, gave it a clean, saw he still gets loads of visitors (Jews Put a stone on the grave to show they have visited), then I had mussels and confirmed that I am completely indifferent to them.

That "coll3ctive" project is really taking off, got about 15 people interested and I've done a really funky design, ready to launch this week =D
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:52, Reply)
I gave your mum a well-needed bit alright
giggity.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:38, Reply)
similar actually
I went to lunch then to the Ashmolean and then a dingy pub.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:40, Reply)
No Pitt Rivers? Are you fucking bent?

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:41, Reply)
Nope, lunch went on for ages and if we'd have gone we'd only get half an hour before it closed.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:52, Reply)
Shame, you missed a great experience.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:07, Reply)
Want to check it out the day of the bash?
The little women will be looking at shoes and talking about periods.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:10, Reply)
Sounds like a good plan.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:35, Reply)
did it float?

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:41, Reply)
zero culture
lovely weekend though.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:44, Reply)
Surely that link was quite 'cultural', if anything an eye opener

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:45, Reply)
you are banned from sending me such sick filth ever again
and to think i was beginning to have feelings for you
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:46, Reply)
I wish somebody would send me grot :(

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:48, Reply)
no you don't
you just want me to send you a rude pic so that you can post it on here.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:50, Reply)
I'll strike next time you're drunk posting

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:53, Reply)
you won't have long to wait, given my diary at the moment

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:55, Reply)

February 1st. Get drunk. Post on OT. Gaz pictures of boobs
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:57, Reply)
unlikely, i hate them
my legs and arse are much better, esp after 6 months of almost daily gym visits. i'd be far more likely to terrify poor virginal rory with shots of those instead.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:59, Reply)
I have Lindford Christie's legs on Jo Brand's body.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:01, Reply)
that's a novel way of going about serial killing
you should write a book
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:02, Reply)
I'm trembling in anticipation

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:04, Reply)
Whatever floats your boat.
wargamescenter.free.fr/screenshot.php?game=mark-of-chaos&img=grot-warhammer
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:53, Reply)
Yeah, she's moaning about something equally as innocent

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:54, Reply)
there is nothing innocent about
bastarding warhammer
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:56, Reply)
I loved Gordons, where I enjoyed a a fine Oloroso sherry.
Thank you (and Battered, late of this parish) for the tip.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:49, Reply)
oh you're welcome
gordons is AMAZING. esp if you get a table outside in the summer, it's a proper bit of old london!
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:50, Reply)
Glad to hear you had a good one!
No gargantuan hangovers?
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:56, Reply)
oh god yes
i think i've been hungover all week. even though i was working/driving yesterday. i was not a pretty sight in the gym at 6am this morning, believe me.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:57, Reply)
I haven't been awake at 6am in a long time
Seeing as I can rarely sleep before 1am now :/
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 9:59, Reply)
me neither
i am never in bed before 1, not usually asleep before 2. the gym at 6 is hard, but a necessary evil if i am out every night, like last week and this bastard week.

it is still dark at 6am :(
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:02, Reply)
Bleedin hell!
How can you cope on 4 hours sleep a night?
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:04, Reply)
As much as I'm incapable of sleeping at a decent time
I still need 6-8 hours sleep. I wish I only needed 2-4, but working a 9 til 6 day job means polyphasic sleep patterns aren't suitable.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:04, Reply)
you live on less that 4 hrs sleep!
fair play. You are offishully hardcore
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:04, Reply)
Yay!
This makes me hardcore *punches air, then falls asleep onto keyboard*
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:15, Reply)
Your post makes me miss London.
On the up side, my baby is sitting in the highchair eating a croissant, outsmugging Vipros.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:01, Reply)
Bless the wee smug baby
How's she doing? And how YOU doin'?
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:06, Reply)
Can't complain, Labs, can't complain.
Yourself?
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:08, Reply)
Recovering from a nasty cough/cold/lurgy thing
And my home pc died, but other than that I'm grand thanks! The diet seems to be working, I've lost weight, and as soon as I shake this cold I'll get back to exercising.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:11, Reply)
Good stuff (apart from the PC and the lurgi)

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:14, Reply)
Those two are more immediately fixable
I did stupidly say to PJM that I'd be up for the London to Brighton sponsored cycle thing. He then said it's offroad, and about 80 miles...
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:16, Reply)
She needs to start growing her smug beard

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:08, Reply)
Don't worry, she will quit being so smug once the food makes it through her system
and gives a nice smelly diaper
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:12, Reply)
Trudat
Or wait until they are on antibiotics and you then have to deal with mustard yellow explosive shit that smells of corpses. I like those ones the best....
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:17, Reply)
*boik*
why do people breed?!
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:18, Reply)
hahaha!
Only parents know the answer to this - it simply cannot be explained to a non-parent.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:19, Reply)
Lack of imagination. (joking)
Masochistic tendancies?
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:22, Reply)
nothing good on telly
better parking spaces.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:26, Reply)
Mild TJ
weekend was dull, but I'm off up tp the Victoria and Albert today and since we have some city-dwellers present, I have a question:

Is there any point at all in me trying to find a parking space up there?

Being from the shires I am pretty ignorant as to the precise level of ball ache it will be to try to drive there. However, my utter loathing of the public transport makes it worth asking the question.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:07, Reply)
No idea, sorry.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:19, Reply)
It's an hour and a half
on the sweaty prole-filled cattle trucks for me then, I guess.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:21, Reply)
Unlucky.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:31, Reply)
Good thanks
had lots of excellent food and took full advantage of the sunshine.

alt: Narziss and Goldmund by Hermann Hesse
Portrait of the Artist As a Young Man by James Joyce
The Road by Cormac McCarthy
Life Is Elsewhere by Milan Kundera

sorry can't pick just one, they've all had an effect for different reasons.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:07, Reply)
seriously - am I missing something about The Road?

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:13, Reply)
Watch the film
It's thick with emotion, most of it of the "Oh my God this is so depressing" kind.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:15, Reply)
i could see it working as a film, perhaps
the book was just some whiney kid and his dad "daaaaaaaaaaad why's everyone dead...daaaaad wah wahwa hwahwah"
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:18, Reply)
It's got Viggo Mortensen in it
It managed to make living in a post-apocalyptic world NOT look like fun.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:25, Reply)
mmmmmmmmmmmmmm aragorn

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:27, Reply)
Should have added zombies.
Then it would have been fun.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:31, Reply)
I don't know crunchy
but I thought The Sparrow was really underwhelming so perhaps it's just that different things strike a chord with different people.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:19, Reply)
perhaps so
One person I know who liked the road reckoned it was more affective if you had or at least liked kids
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:21, Reply)
I suppose that would make it resonate more but it's pretty universal

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:25, Reply)
^this
Books affect everyone differently.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:21, Reply)
My weekend was mainly spent at work, which is dull.
However, yesterday was a bit better. When I was finishing my first shift at the pub, there was a big fire in the building next door. This meant firemen. Lots of firemen. I like firemen. Then I went home for an afternoon of cake, debate, metal music and misandry with my best friend from school, as she is back in Bradford due to the fact that her boyfriend is a complete emotional retard. Then I went back to work, and found that the firemen were still there, due to some oxy-acetylene cylinders being found in the building. There was even a ?shift change halfway through. Seriously though, I really like firemen.


Alt: Either Less Than Zero, by Bret Easton Ellis or The Tenth Man by Graeme Green.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:08, Reply)
so, you're going to take up pyromania?

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:19, Reply)
Well,
It's that or take up hanging around fire stations in outfits that would make a whore blush, and it's cold outside.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:22, Reply)
HAHAH BELLADONNA LIKES DEF LEPPARD!!111!!!

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:48, Reply)
bastard
now I have "Animal" stuck in my head and from past experience it could be there for DAYS, If not WEEKS.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 11:42, Reply)
I'm American. We Don't Read, only watch TV!!


Acxtually, how could anyone just name one book? There are far too many really good books that have affected me. (Too bad nome of them tought me how to spell or type)
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:09, Reply)
go ooon, pick one
or two
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:19, Reply)
Grapes of Wrath,

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 13:11, Reply)
A gnome taught you to spell? Impressive.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:30, Reply)
'Tainted Life' by Marc Almond.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:52, Reply)
I spent a lot of the weekend in my sick-bed.
Though the last few days seem to have gone incredibly slowly...

As for the books that most affected me, probably the ones I had read to me as a child. E. Nesbit, Hilaire Belloc and Tove Jansen are three authors that jump out.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 10:57, Reply)
I loved Hilaire Belloc.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 11:10, Reply)
I introduced a girl called Matilda to Hilaire Belloc.

(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 11:26, Reply)
Did she tell such dreadful lies
That it made one gasp and stretch one's eyes?
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 11:31, Reply)
Totally.
I did Rebecca for an English Speaking Board exam as well. Aww, happy days.
They weren't.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 11:45, Reply)
I could try to be high-brow but I'd fail.
The book that 'affected' me the most (i.e. I was still blubbing for about two hours after I'd finished it) was Vittorio by Anne Rice.
(, Mon 31 Jan 2011, 11:25, Reply)

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