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Wooo new thread woooSo what do you all think of the Cap on household benefits? £26,000 after tax is pretty decent income IMO.
Generally I'm all for it, hopefully it'll stop landlords putting their shitty run down houses at market rate and getting them filled by the unemployed and paid for by the tax payer.
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My ex is a full-time parasite and yet has a standard of living way higher than mineShe lives in a luxury 2-bed flat in the middle of Shoreditch. Her fridge is full of brand name products and shit like four shrink-wrapped potatoes on a foam tray, not even loose veg, let alone 'slightly knackered but basically fine veg bought from Hoxton market at the end of the day' which is how a real struggling single mum would shop.
I'm pleased that my daughter has such a lovely standard of living but surely it's wrong that I'm working 50h a week (well, I'm 'at' work 50h a week) and can't have a comparable living standard?
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:02,
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In other news,yesterday she refused to pass on a message to my daughter that I love her and miss her 'because it might make her feel sad'.
What a poisonous, hateful cunt.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:04,
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She gets 'mates rates' off the landlordbut at full price it would be at least £1500 PCM - I'm sure the state pays maybe £1200 of this?
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:05,
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Fuck a duck that's insane.(
Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:07,
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In perspective, to be fair, I could get a grand a month for my flat.It's nowhere near as nice and has just one bedroom. £1200 for a 2-bed is not that steep.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:10,
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That means she'd be getting more than three times the housing benefit I get and we're in reasonably similar situations.(
Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:11,
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I assume you wouldn't pass on a message from Monty to your daughter either. (, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:12, Reply)
Not after the last one.It was a bit 'blue'.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:18,
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Oh Monty, if you had facebook you'd be able to crack one off over pictures of Noels daughter like the rest of us.(
Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:19,
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Hmm, she probably will be affected but not by much I would guess.Hope she doesn't have to move out.
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Actually I think her mate is selling the whole building so she might have to anyway.It is a shame though, it's fucking lovely.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:14,
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The welfare state allows people to live on a diet of flat screens, trainers and lambert & butler, I'm not sure this is the Chinese model for becoming the strongest market economy(
Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:06,
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Until our kids also get 21p a day for making Olympic mascot toys we will never be able to compete.(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:08,
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The west seems to think that we have a monopoly on all the clever IP design and technology and all China and India can do is sew up footballsWhen that inevitably shifts east what's left?
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Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:13,
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A return to the middle ages.(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:15,
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We are in big trouble when they ALL want a proper house and a car. (, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:17, Reply)
Can't really get non flat screen TV's any more, so I think that's allowed.(, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:08, Reply)
Allowed? You should only be ALLOWED a TV and satellite if you have a job.
That might get some of the lazy feckers off their arses.
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I'd rather poor under fives were taught by good old aunty on the cbbc channel than by their terrible TERRIBLE parents who don't even work.
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^ someone who has never had to watch 'The Tweenies'(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:21,
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Hey hey, are you ready to play?(
sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:22,
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I'm ready to drink bleach, if that helps.(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:26,
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No Chompy, the idea that poor people are allowed to own stuff is completley abhorrent to all honest, hard working, right thinking, honest working, hard thinking, right working, honest thinking BRITISH taxpayers.(
Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:14,
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Chinese peasants make do with watching the village dog have sex with a pig(
Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:15,
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That's just a typical night out in the Bigg Market to be honest.(
Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:16,
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The pig only has a week left.Then it's the dragon's turn, and the dog will be fucked.
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:48,
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THIS WAS A VERY FUNNY JOKE ABOUT THE CHINESE NEW YEAR(
G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:01,
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26k is a reasonable income and yes it should stop landlords from artifically inflating the rent prices. However I believe (and I could be wrong) but they are going to leave the child support payments out of the equation so you have the potential for increased broods to increase income.
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You would be entirely wrong.If you had read anything on the subject you would know that the government is committed to including child benefit within the 26K.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:25,
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Child benefit maybe.Child support is a different kettle of eels though. However, I thought that these were normally taken into consideration when calculating means tested benefits so the more child support you get, the less income support etc is paid. Unless the system's changed since I last worked as a benefits monkey.
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Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:29,
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We call them 'benefits people of colour' these days Davvo.Do keep up.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:29,
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We don't get very many of them up north Monty. It's too cold.(
Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:30,
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What about Bert?He is BGB's Monkey with Benefits?
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:32,
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This is true, yeah.Not sure he counts, though.
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Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:33,
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There's also the other side of the coinuk.finance.yahoo.com/news/pay-as-little-tax-as-tony-blair.html.
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Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:26,
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Just delete the extra full stop at the end.(
Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:36,
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Well spotted.(
Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:37,
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Hmm. I'll try again.uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/pay-as-little-tax-as-tony-blair.html
Not bad, Al. Another application away, another to complete. Dinner to make for when the missus gets in. it's a rock 'n' roll lifestyle and no mistake. How's your good self?
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Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:37,
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Pretty goodThe bathroom is finished and yesterday I lifted the stairs carpet and fixed them all down with massive screws to stop them squeaking, fixed the floorboards on the landing after they got ruined by the electrician and made chicken and dumplings for dinner while the wife was out at a spa with her mother.
Gotta run 3 miles tonight though.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:46,
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He's a fucking vile human being, my generation will look at him as how yours looks at Thature.(
G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:51,
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I don't think they will GonzOur generation are much too apathetic to ever bring that much hate to bare on one person who wasn't a TV celebrity.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:53,
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I think you're right =/(
G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:57,
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Quentin is still my favourite b3tan because I have just discovered that he also says "fairy up liquid".Also, my mate with three kids and no job is fucking loaded. Oh wait she's got a job now but for years she didn't and she was loaded, then she went to university and got bursaries for being a slag and she was loaded and her kids had £100 mobile phones when £100 was a lot for a mobile phone. And she gets into the gym for free because she's a depressed slag.
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:40,
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Oh man, I didn't know I was second place to quentin.That cuts deep :(
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yeah but never used to be able to bear you, so you've shot up the charts like Frankie Goes to hollywood(
Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:43,
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I don't believe that for a minuteI just think roots has developed better taste.
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No, you're deffo not as much of a creepy tit Chompy(
Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:04,
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I like you because you're able to remain objective. I don't notice you jumping on any LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE bandwagons.
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:14,
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Second place to a sockpuppet. Burn.(
Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:44,
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On the one hand I want him to be a sock puppet, and on the other i don'tand on my foot I have a sock
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:45,
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I just eated wrong things Hal,but it's cos I'm sick and paranoid with hangoverness not governess. hangover-ness.
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:49,
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Are you paranoid about the silly things you did last night?Did you turn into a gobby shit? I hate it when I get drunk and start mouthing off and then wake up the next day and realise what a drunked gobshite I was being.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:51,
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oh no, not that. it just makes me feel like something weird's going to happen.or someone's watching me. there is always a feeling of guilt but I can remember i didn't do anything bad, except tellt he landlord I was trying to set up one of our barmaids with his grandson
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:04,
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It depends how you play the welfare state.There's plenty of people sleeping in doorways and on the street here.
Then again, I got paid 40 grand for 10x1 day workshops working with unemployed single mothere in Wythenshawe, all of whom had big tellies, new mobiles and designer labelled kids.
As I say, it's how good at blagging you are.
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I got a great idea, that I would love to see implimented.Every time a councilor or money person "saves money" by spending £50k on "Celeb Apperances" for "staff Moral", s/he should personally go to the cancer patient who can't get treatment due to funding, or the two nurse's who got laid off, again, due to funding (the fact that 1 evening came to two people's yearly wage here).... they have to explain to them, infront of the press, that they choose this "celebraty apperance" over them.
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:55,
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I think that every time a councillor says they need to get a taxi because they were working latethey should be punched in the face and made to run a car out of their wages like everyone else in the country.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 12:57,
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YupI also can't work out how any of them can justify wages higher than the PM. I'm not saying income higher than the PM, but wages for that specific job. It's the only industry on the planet where a branch-manager owns a wage higher than the CEO.
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:00,
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To a certain extent I can.Because the leader of each council is often in charge of managing budgets bigger than a lot of companies, so they are effectively individual CEOs with the PM being the overall project manager for a huge conglomerate.
If anything, you could argue that the PM doesn't get paid enough for the responsibility that they have to accept.
But it's not just the "wage" that cameron takes home. Once you are the PM, you are set for life, you will always end up being given directorships and "speaking tours" for the rest of your days, so the amount you actually earn while in office is pretty much by the by.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:06,
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As you can see from Blairs wage above.Public service has to strike a balance between attracting the people who will be most effective, while providing the best value for the tax payer.
It's not there yet by any means, but that's the plan.
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I don't think any job's list of benfits is potential future work.I've done cheap jobs on the promise of more work, and that's bullshit, a contract is a contract, and if the future job isn't written into the contract, then it's irrelivent. This is a scaled up version of that.
I agree that these people are managing services and budgets that rivel major institutions, but they are still getting higher wages than the figurehead. Maybe rise the PM's wage to £175k and make £150k the cap? Pulling figures out my arse here.
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:42,
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I saw 'cap' and 'household'and I thought you were Cavy for a minute there.
Personally, I'd love to be given the chance to survive on £26k, as it would be a marked improvement in my financial state. I also get all 'Daily Mail' when I see people who don't work, but who can afford top of the range technology, brand name clothes, and holidays every year.
I don't want to see anyone go without hte basics, and there's no justification for punishing the poor, but what happened to living within our means? Why are we all automatically entitled to a 50" HD television whether we can afford it or not?
Ooh, I've come over all tory again. I may need to have a lie down and a go of the Daily Star.
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b3th Not shit. Not mod., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:18,
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I wonder how many people on benefits have these 50 inch TV's everyone goes on about.I doubt there's that many.
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£26k is only £500 a weekAfter morgtage, council tax, life in general it's not that much really.
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I very much doubt that it is £500 per week, but I can't be arsed looking into itNot everyone qualifies for the maximum by any stretch
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Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:37,
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QuiteI think the real focus of the argument ought to be not "why are people on beenfits getting over 26K" but "why are people who are working in jobs not taking home over 26K" and also "Why are there not enough jobs to go round and why is the economy shrinking" and finally "why are the cunts at the top of the pile STILL taking home far more than they could ever possibly need to the detriment of everyone else in the country".
This is just typical Tory policy, lets pit the badly off against the worse off by appealing to the nasty, bitter, selfish side of people too stupid to know any better. That way we can make everybody's life equally shit, rather than trying to make everyone's life equally good.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:33,
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Should we all get paid the same? I baggsy a 35/hr a week job doing light duties. Someone else can do 18 hour days for the same pay as me.
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No, of course we shouldn't all get paid the same, and at no point in my post did I imply thisYou're just taking the typical Daily Mail line, I'm assuming partly tongue in cheek.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:45,
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^ this ^i agree with the rest of these questions, and would add more, like "why don't nurses and teachers and other valuable professions get paid more when they work they do is so important".
but not this: "why are the cunts at the top of the pile STILL taking home far more than they could ever possibly need to the detriment of everyone else in the country" - if they work in the private sector, then it's their firm's choice to pay them that. nobody else's business. and the firm will only do that if they think they are worth it.
there should be much greater transparency about those who get paid huge amounts in the public sector, though. i would like to start with my local council, and the dude at the top who gets paid a LOT for FUCK-ALL as far as i can see!
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rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:49,
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Swipe, as you well know the shareholders which decide the pay packets of these CEOs are institutional investors who sit on each others boards and will always award whatever wage increases they want.
There is plenty of transparency in the public sector already, a bit more in the private sector would be preferable, along with an actual government commitment to simplifying the tax system so there are fewer loopholes.
I don't mind someone earning that much as long as they are paying the same percentage of tax as me, but at that amount they are paying far lower rates of tax than someone earning a pittance.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:05,
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Whilst that may be so....www.payscale.com/research/UK/Country=United_Kingdom/Salary
....it seems to be considerably more than a lot of people have to do 40h pw in a shitty job to earn. With this in mind one can understand how people choose unemployment/churning out children as a 'career'.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:34,
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Now before your horse gets too high, answer me this MontyExactly how many people in this country are actually claiming benefits worth more than 26K a year?
I'm just curious, because it has been acknowledged that this cap will only save the government a few hundred million of a benefits bill that is over 40 billion.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:37,
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I heard on the news it's likely to affect about 60,000 households.This is, they said, three times higher than estimated.
Whilst compared with the entire bill it's a smaller amount, a few hundred million pounds is not 'only' anything, if you ask me.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:39,
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Now, since Job Seekers Allowance is currently £67.50 a week (which equates to £3.5K a year)is it not reasonable to assume that these people must be eligible for some quite serious benefits to get the total up to 26K plus?
Please put aside all your anecdotes about "my mate who has a colour TV and is on the dole".
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:43,
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I haven't got any, Al.Keep your wig on.
The only people I know who don't work are crooks who claim nothing.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:44,
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You get council tax, rent, morgtage interest, free prescriptions, shitloads.(, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:44, Reply)
Free dentist. Free local authority pool and gym entry. All the bins you can rummage.
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The vast majority is on housing benifit, when landlords can just keep upping the rent and the DWP will rubber stamp it.I'm glad that'll put a stop to that sort of thing.
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When I first rented out my flatit went to someone on housing allowance. Granted this was in Scotland, so it might be a different story up there, but the council agreed an amount of rent, and two years later when I wanted to put the rent up by £50, they refused to honour it. I knew I'd never get the extra from the tenant, so I dropped the matter.
I'm sure what you say is true, and there are some seriously overinflated rental prices, just because councils are willing to pay them - maybe the reform should be focused on that instead. A cap on private sector rental to a certain percentage above rateable value, or something.
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b3th Not shit. Not mod., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:48,
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That's partly why we have the problem. The previous government allowed landlords to charge councils something closer to market rents.
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If only we could have a system where councils themselves owned propertiesbecause something the size of a council could take out a mortgage at fucking great rates of interest and then they could let people stay in the houses and it wouldn't really be costing the council anything, especially after a few years once the mortgage was paid off.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:51,
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There are very few council properties left.Most have transferres to housing associations, laughingly called non profit making groups.
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But without the market really being involved.Say a good 4 bed house goes for £1500 a month in an area, a shit one with rubbish heating damp etc should be more like £1000-£1200, but because the "market rate" is £1500 they can charge that to the council.
fucking cowboys.
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But will it?Because the government line is that you should move "somewhere you can afford" and whilst in principle I'm in favour of people living according to their actual capacity to pay their rent, the problem is that a) they are not doing anything to address inflating rents for sub standard properties and b) this looks very much like it will simply lead to creating ghettos that will become even more self perpetuating than those we presently have.
I'm not actually arguing that better allocation of benefits is a bad idea, but a crude cap doesn't appear to be a good way of doing it.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:49,
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Who knows? The rental sector at the moment is a mess.I think with only 67,000 homes affected it won't make a massive difference. I think a total revisiting of housing benefit would be for the best.
Not necessarily focused on reducing the cost, but a combination of that and increasing the standard of housing to a fit if basic state for a family on benefits.
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It probably includes things likehousing benefit, child benefit, council tax benefit, free prescriptions, dental and eye care, free school meals, school uniform allowances, additional child credits for means tested benefits... and so on.
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Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:46,
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So once almost all of life's bills are paid for you,you then get £67.50 left over? That's £67.50 a week more than I get.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:47,
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He owes it to me first.I bought him a beer before christmas and he never sent me a thank you card and with the interest payments it quickly mounted up.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:50,
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*gasses self**realises gas has been disconnected*
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:51,
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You should drown yourselfthey can't cut your water off.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:52,
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I have 6p to last me til Friday.Lunch today was two wholemeal pitta breads and butter. I had to borrow the butter.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:53,
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78p worth of buns from Sainsburys and a cuppasoup*sobs*
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:57,
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I shall be having seared scallops followed by loin of roe deer for dinnerStudent food, innit.
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The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:04,
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This.If you're single, on the dole and have no kids, you're knackered really.
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Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:52,
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Yeah, but if you have a mortgage, then you're basically fucked.The last I knew, you had to wait 40 weeks before you got help on just the interest alone.
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Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:50,
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If I lose my job I think it's fair enough that I'll have to sell my house to pay for my life, to be honest.(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:52,
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Assuming you could sell it quickly I'd agree.Not always the case, though.
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Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:54,
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Despite it needing workI could sell mine in days, I suspect. My brother (who is up for redundancy) is not in the same boat, poor cunt.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:00,
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We live in an area of town that is generally highly sought after.Properties tend to go on the market and get snapped up more or less immediately. Our neighbour's put their place on the market about three years ago and didn't even get a sniff of an offer, whilst other properties around the estate were proudly displaying 'Sold' signs. No idea why.
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Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:03,
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Maybe they were only renting it.(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:05,
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I reckon the fact that it reeked of brown ale, gravy, coal and despairis what put the potential buyers off.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:06,
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That reminds mewhen I next go to Davros' house I want one his gravy sandwich things from the shop near his house.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:11,
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Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 15:22,
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67000 x £26000 (at the minimum) = £1,742,000,000hardly "fuck all", is it?
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rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:00,
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The total cost of benefits is over 40 billion thoughAnd by reducing maximum benefits to 26K you only save about 200 million. So it's not making any sort of significant difference in total government spending.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:10,
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that's only one way to look at it thoughwhat could you do for hospitals/schools if you had another 200,000,000?
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rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:13,
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I doubt that any "savings" Will actually end up with hospitals etc
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OH FOR FUCKS SAKE, it's taken me 10 minutes of form after form after form.I'm on way below the lowest, the average being around 1.75* times what I get. But I'm more than happy where I am.
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:52,
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hmmmi can't decide if my result will help my pay review or hinder it. urgh.
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rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:08,
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If you're paying a mortgage and council taxyou're probably not collecting much in the way of benefits.
But £500 a week is quite a lot in my book. I wouldn't mind bringing home that much without having to work for it.
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b3th Not shit. Not mod., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:39,
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I get Daily Mail when I see people who DON'T WORKI know of a brother and sister and neither of them have jobs.
Life of Riley for months, the pair of them.
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:32,
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I get fucking apoplectic when people use anecdotes of one or two people to justify their opinions of an entire countrywhilst not bothering to do any research to see if they are correct in their wide reaching assertions.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:35,
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Bear in mind, though, Roota is from Liverpool.I'm sure she has more than one or two similar anecdotes.
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Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:37,
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I'm pretty sure she'd have to throw a rock extremely accuratlyand about 50 miles, to hit someone who wasn't on the fiddle.
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Bazongaloid, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:38,
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It was a joke about b3th and djtp you soft twat(
Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:41,
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Watch out Roota, he's got a self rightious erection and he knows how to use it.(, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:46, Reply)
Oh, you mean the Riley twins?(
Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:35,
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That's shocking.I heard one of them was on a sabbatical and one of them was actually self employed.
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b3th Not shit. Not mod., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:36,
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A likely storyI heard they go to Alton Towers EVERY day
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:42,
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I heard one of them was so determined to do his bit for societyhe's offered to take in a Scouser and teach it to use cutlery.
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b3th Not shit. Not mod., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:44,
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Oh, you'll get yours, bitchlove you really kiss kiss
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b3th Not shit. Not mod., Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:49,
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Go and take some Evening Primrose, cuntyLove you too wevs
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:51,
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What really f'cking gets me is how the press make life on benfits seem like an easy option.I don't know anyone who's needed them and gotten them in an acceptable timeframe. Sick Benfit is a fucking joke, around 60% of denied claims go through as granted on appeal. 60%, that's almost 2/3rds of this country's most vulnrable people who have to go through hell for no reason.
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:55,
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i keep thinking of my poor godmother. She's away to the fairies and really vulnerable, but physically 'ok'.I just know they're going to throw her off 'the sick' and I swear she would get fired anyway becuase she has short-term amnesia and doesn't know where she's been/going. She's the type of trusting person who would get raped in the store-room or something.
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:58,
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is this off a film?I only know the one where he writes all over himself in permanent marker. Sometimes my nana says to her "In Tesco, remind me to get eggs" or whatever. And she says "Are you being funny?!"
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:04,
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If you can't go to your assesment, then you're being lazy and can go do one, if you can go, then you can go to work instead.Payments being rediculously late, like, weeks and months, seem normal. Forms and letters always go missing, it's mass incompitancy, they _never_ call back, unless you owe them. They'll make mistake after mistake, if they over-pay you, it's no problem, they'll just take it out later on.
And they make the system so hellish that people make themselves really ill going back to work, and when they fail after a week because they aren't ready, they have to start all over again.
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G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:07,
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They also lie in the 'transcripts'I'm going to go with her and take a dictaphone
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Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:09,
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but that wouldn't make a screaming front page, so it wouldn't sell papers, gonzothe lone 3rd generation scrounger who earns £100k on the side, however, will get the daily fail readers frothing at the gash.
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rachelswipe with a fork, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 13:59,
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Exactly, and then they vilify the person who accepts what they're given rather than the system which gave them it.(
G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩€, Mon 23 Jan 2012, 14:08,
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You can be on incapacity benefit for being an alkie,which strikes me as a bit much.
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I agree with with this cap, The number one group in society for getting upset about welfare dependece is the low wage working class. AFAIC if you're on 25k a year from the DWP you're doing far too well, you should be made to spend the money wisely for the purpose of being a responsible, hardworking and healthy citizen, otherwise you don't deserve it. Far too many people in my area waste money that is not rightfully theirs on useless things like drink or Sky HD that only make their situation worse. Work should always be an option that comes off as more worthwhile.
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