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( , Sun 1 Apr 2001, 1:00)
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www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/16/vegans-stomach-unpalatable-truth-quinoa
It's the whole soya thing again. I'm definitely all for eating healthy food, but surely it is arrogant and dangerous for us to damage other people for our own lifestyle choices?
Alt: something less boring, i'm on my own in the pub today, so a already on the booze, how is your day panning out?
altalt: Monorail? yes or no?
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:03, 210 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

I'm not keen on the stuff.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:05, Reply)

Are/were the only football league club that doesn't have any letters from the word mackerel in its name.
But with you being a massive Gooner, you'd already know that.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:15, Reply)

Although a number of new clubs have joined the league since I first heard it.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:19, Reply)

whatever the fuck that is. it's not the same argument as "vegans kill people"
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:07, Reply)

what was that all about? I even quite like the simpsons, and think that is shit.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:28, Reply)

He's just telling us he want to give cavy a good railing, and possibly mono
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:31, Reply)

Cavy turned me down. :(
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:42, Reply)

i'm not anti-vegetarian at all, but i find it scary that there isn't more done by the people that choose that lifestyle to ensure the products they consume are ethical.
loads of meat eaters try and source their meat locally, and ethically and fair trade and organic and all those buzz words, but there isn't the same fervor for ensuring supply is properly controlled in the vegan/vegetarian/healthy eating crowd.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:14, Reply)

I don't have any figures to back this up, but I reckon proportionately they are more likely than meat-eaters to do so.
The problem is trying to do this against an enormous history of meat producing and meat industry by-products.
Anyone who thinks they are a vegan is seriously kidding themselves - we use animal by-products in far more things than you could realistically avoid.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:20, Reply)

i don't know a whole lot about it to be honest. i imagine these sort of articles exist merely to annoy people.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:23, Reply)

You should ethically source a deleted account and eat shit.
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( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:29, Reply)

with the picture of a crying cow on?
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:47, Reply)

Then I realised peta responded saying it was bollocks, so now I totally agree with the article 100%!!!
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( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:14, Reply)

This thing that this poor country makes is now worth 3 times as much and is being exported on an enourmous scale.
That's great, brilliant, saying quinoa farmers are now worse of because of that... stupid.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:18, Reply)

www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/22/quinoa-bolivian-farmers-meat-eaters-hunger
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:20, Reply)

as i said, i'm fairly sure sometimes the guardian likes publish stuff just for the sake of the debate.
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( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:38, Reply)

or are they just sat at home, surfing the web, and occasionally writing an article about not much in particular?
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:42, Reply)

But isn't there a point that a lot of third world farmers export more than they need to keep to feed their own countrymen?
They make more money from foreigners, so fuck next door if they're gonna starve
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:21, Reply)

and grain you'll only get $350 a year, it's better to grow the coffee and import the grain. Not only for yourself but for the whole countries economy. It's globalisation.
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( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:44, Reply)

And the guy I heard it from had dreadlocks and a beard, so you know he was telling the truth
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( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:25, Reply)

I'm genuinely interested in why people become veggies/vegans/etc. though
Alt:
I did manage a short pub visit today - two pints of Amstel went down nicely. today is mostly boring with short periods of meh
AltAlt:
Mono! D'oh!!
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:11, Reply)

But if you're a microbe or a spider she thinks you're a dick
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:19, Reply)

it always cracks me up when the vegetarians force their food style and choices down the other diners throats, the other contestants should be all like⦠well I ingested your nut roast now you eat my very rear fillet of beef.
My day is going good so far Windy, I'm just hoping that I don't walk into a house full tonight.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:18, Reply)

I don't understand why people who've gone for dinner at a vegetarian's house are so surprised at getting vegetarian food
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:23, Reply)

is that likely? if my friends were the sort of people that held surprise parties well, i guess we wouldn't be friends because that is a dickish thing to do.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:25, Reply)

lot round next the the door goes and its a few friends Etc., I don't suffer B-days very well now days
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:32, Reply)

But I'm still under the weather,so just want a hot bath and to relax.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:41, Reply)

some days i just want to be alone, or spend time with mrs pig, or the dogs, the thought that people might think it ok just turn up because they fancy it shows a severe lack of care for how i might feel about the situation.
I quite often won't answer the door if someone knocks on it on a day off.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:47, Reply)

not that I can remember the last time I said quinoa out loud
maybe they have loads to eat but they are pronouncing it wrong in the quinoa shop
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:20, Reply)

That's the best way.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:31, Reply)

it is stupid, and you sound stupid
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:45, Reply)

Are you sure it isn't because you have the Guardian blocked?
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( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:39, Reply)

Soz, just had to let that out somewhere, carry on
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:45, Reply)

Tell us all about it, we're bound to support you and give you all the advice you need.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:48, Reply)

Just wanted to not pick Cher
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:05, Reply)

I want you to all know that.
ALT: Yeah today's good, summat broke at work this morning so I had lots to do/co-ordinate, I've just written a statement that'll piss people off, and now I'm gonna chill out til 6. S'ALL GRAVY PIGSO
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:49, Reply)

When really they have to fix it themselves
They're all gonna say I'm a liar because that way they don't have to do anything and can feel angry.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:56, Reply)

I have come to the conclusion that is a daft paper. The Comment is free section is like speakers corner.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:53, Reply)

they haev pictures of fat cats in pinstripe suits everyday, regardless of the topic of the cartoon
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:54, Reply)

I've gone many years without reading it, it makes for a better life
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:56, Reply)

It's a bunch of veggies and vegans all trying to out-worthy each other.
"Yeah, but I care more than you because (I don't drive/have a home/fart &c)!"
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 15:58, Reply)

They're always very RIGHT ON
I get the feeling that no-one who has ever commented on a Grauniad article has ever felt joy.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:01, Reply)

The best argument for becoming right-wing is generally people who aren't right-wing.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:16, Reply)

the first commenter has a picture of him in full on lycra riding gear on a super expensive looking road bike. Definitely not a biased viewpoint at all.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:41, Reply)

i did discover that ricky tomlinson is not just a fat unfunny idiot, he was also a unionist, arrested as a young man. So it is not all bad.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:02, Reply)

I wish his artic was open for comments, just so i can call him a shit beard.
in fact, does anyone here have a tiwtter and would be willing to tweet him that he is a shit beard? i only have the pubs twitter, and that probably wouldn't go down very well with the big bosses.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:05, Reply)

i see you're not having the best day.
If it helps, i'm at work, but really i'm sat at a bar drinking nice cold vedett and looking at silly things online and watching a film.
What went wrong with you?
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:08, Reply)

Do you serve Veltins, I've just discovered it
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:09, Reply)

bit too obscure to bother with. it'll just sit in the fridge for 6 months.
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( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:30, Reply)

Are you saying WP only serves slops?
terrible bullying
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:32, Reply)

SW13, Barnes to be specific
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:35, Reply)

EDIT: do you mean because I live there or the cost of beer?
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:38, Reply)

even at a decent mark up that is going to be at least 90-100 quid a barrel, and i can't charge nigh on 5 quid for a beer most won't have heard of.
I take a risk on kozel, and it seems to move, but as much as i'd love to run a full on beer house, it wouldn't work where i am. That is the dream though.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:40, Reply)

A pub on Kew green runs it's own microbrewery in the front, makes a nice drop
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:42, Reply)

but the size of my pub, and it's location doesn't lend itself to that sort of experiment.
One day nakey noo, one day, but for now, i have to be a bit conservative.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:44, Reply)

and I wish you all the best in fulfilling that dream, cos it's a goodun
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:45, Reply)

I don't want to embarrass you in front of everyone, but sometimes and example needs to be made
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:49, Reply)

I'm about done for the day, I'm suprised I even bothered posting it
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:50, Reply)

all i need is some money really, and the right site, everything else is just hard work, a little luck and a lot of favours called in.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:49, Reply)

men are stupid and potentially fighty, i'd rather good looking lads, then you get girl customers, who bring male customers that are not going to act the cunt because they are trying to impress the girl.
it is you who is pub wrong.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:55, Reply)

cuff links
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:57, Reply)

Why can't you get me a pint, what's all this talk about clientele, I just want my pint, get me a pint, fuck's sake, I'm off down the Ale House, at least they'll give me a pint and none of this backchat
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:57, Reply)

and watch tv
I'm turning into a fucking bum and I'm going to get fat-ER
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:36, Reply)

my mom is about to have surgery so I am going to be helping her
after that's over probably a novelist or pop star, obviously
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:43, Reply)

They'll fit her eventually. ......
Knee-grows.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 16:57, Reply)

I'm worried now that I've forgotten to read a book and write a report!
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 17:10, Reply)

but I left it at work. That will make things tricky later on next week
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 17:22, Reply)

i had to spend last week babysitting him. he is the world's worst patient. 1 week into a knee replacement and he is already complaining about golf, driving, the gym...
srsly though is your ma having both done at once? having seen how much my dad needed his other knee to support him when getting up etc, that might be hardcore??
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 17:21, Reply)

if you're fairly fit, you'll be fine. my dad has always been obsessed with fitness, and his muscles were so strong that they did all the work. 9 weeks to the day after his first one (6 years ago) he was on a jet ski in antigua. the problem was, it lengthened his leg by an inch when they fixed the knee, so after a while of limping around like that, his hip was getting fucked. so he had no choice.
i think it'll be fucking painful but not as bad as she might think, based on my dad's experience. he's certainly thrilled with them.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 17:31, Reply)

have utterly missed the point of the article.
Which is not that vegetarians/vegans are responsbile for shit in Peru, but more that vegetarians/vegans that use the arguement that meat is bad for society and the planet are hypocrites. Actually, fucking idiot hypocrites to boot, but that's by the by.
Strangely, "yeah well I've been a vegan for 20 years and never eaten quinoa" is not a valid counterpoint, you fucktard. Unless you're a statistically valid proportion of all vegans, on your own.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 17:04, Reply)

it's got to be impossible to be vegan and overweight. It's pretty tricky to be vegan and alive.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 17:25, Reply)

humans always fuck over other people
My day started thinking with sore arms and the brief promise of a snow day quickly dashed. Now it's snowing and it took ages to get home. Perhaps snow day and sleep tomorrow
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 17:13, Reply)

perhaps I was just thinking with my arms.
( , Wed 23 Jan 2013, 17:27, Reply)
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