which breeds tho?
staffys are the friendliest dogs around, the only ones where the official dog breeders description includes the term "child friendly" yet because of their popularity with the sorts of people who like to train dogs to fight each other, they got a bad reputation. claiming it is naive to realise some breeds should not be kept as pets is naive in itself
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:29, 3 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

Staffies are really bad with other dogs.
But fine with people.
Well I don't like them because they drool and jump on you. but they don't bite or scratch.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:30, Reply)

no, no they are not. staffies are possibly the friendliest breed when it comes to meeting other dogs.
i'm starting to wonder if the people with the loudest opinions here actually have no clue what they are talking about, which must be a first, usually the loudest opinions are the most well informed
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:32, Reply)

I have a gay dog
It is shit
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:33, Reply)

Well my sample size of one totally disagrees with you.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:34, Reply)

i like this

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:35, Reply)

staffies are awesome dogs

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:39, Reply)

awesome pikey
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:52, Reply)

the one's who carry guns

( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:32, Reply)

yeh actually giving a dog a gun is, in my experience, a very bad idea and certain breeds are more dangerous once they have a gun,
some dogs like a great dane (great for a reason) will immediately remove the ammo from the gun and keep it held in its pouch, wheras other dogs will immediately attempt to shoot a policeman
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:35, Reply)

ones
plural, no apostrophe

HTH
(King Zog of Albania lives in Kensington, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:38, Reply)

Thank's

( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:39, Reply)

l'o'l's''

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:43, Reply)

Well statisticly if you are going to be killed by a dog
Pitbulls and Rottweilers seem to be up there. Of course you can put it down to bad owners but it does seem a little disproportionate
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:35, Reply)

8 out of 10 owners recommend it

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:36, Reply)

why? those are the dogs that bad owners choose to train to be dangerous. it's not exactly difficult maths that.

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:36, Reply)

What about the many many cases of the well trained family pet the never bit anyone who suddenly snaps and kills?

( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:39, Reply)

yeh that literally happens every second of every day my mistake

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:40, Reply)

Can't be bothered to go through them all in detail
but the word family appears 111 times on the wiki page for list of fatal dog attacks.THats out of 246 fatalities so I would say its pretty common that the family pet kills
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:43, Reply)

so because they were in a family they must be well trained?
not sure i follow.
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:44, Reply)

wait, i've seen the list, its for the usa,
first family dog killer was a labrador, this screws everything up, still failing to see the bit that says it was well trained, where is that bit? cheers
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:45, Reply)

Why does it matter if it was well trained.
All breeds can be badly trained
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)

Hang on, you own a staffy don't you?

( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)

yeh and she's DANGEROUS

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:47, Reply)

100% of staffie owners will defend them no matter what
so no point debating with you, even that dumb bitch whose staffie killed her own kid defended the dog.
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:50, Reply)

i wasn't talking about my dog though,
i didn't realise i was even defending her, is she part of this discussion?
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:52, Reply)

also she's only partially staffy, seeing as you seem to want to talk about her.
i've got pics if you like too!
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:53, Reply)

because that's the exact point we were discussing wasnt it?
that it's the badness of the owner rather than the breed? i'm so confused.
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)

Yes and I am saying that even well trained dogs can attack
so the breeds most likely to kill if they did snap probably shouldn't be kept as pets. Ie. the big strong ones
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:48, Reply)

i see what you mean
but also there is no evidence there that any of those dogs were not badly trained rather than well trained and just snapping

edit: though i should point out, if there were evidence of that then of course i would completely agree. i don't disagree even, i just havent seen any evidence other than what people reckon, so far here
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:49, Reply)

A large number of the deaths are children
So really the size of the dog is irrelevant.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:57, Reply)

oh, second one was a dog the family was keeping for a family friend, so not a family dog after all.
am i looking at the same info as you here?
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)

Probably
but there is no evidence that the majority of the dogs in the list were badly trained.
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:47, Reply)

there's no evidence to say that they werent either
so i have no idea why you thought the list proved anything
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:48, Reply)

The list proves some breeds kill a lot more than others

( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:49, Reply)

yeh i don't think anybody thought otherwise

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:49, Reply)

And those breeds are the ones that are also statisically more kept by bad owners who don't train and encourage aggression in their dogs
So?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:58, Reply)

Also, Rotties/Pit Bulls are going to be skewed examples
as they are frequently kept as untrained guard dogs, so very much more likely to be in a situation where they attack
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 14:01, Reply)

god damn, the only data i can find on fatal dog attacks in europe only goes up to 2010,
when there were 15 in all of europe and it doesn't say how many of them were a well trained family pet :( i am terrible at research
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:43, Reply)

I found a stat that says
Over 75% of dog bites are from the pet of family or friends. Yes I know stats can prove everything
( Peej, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:45, Reply)

I bet the majority of people who get bitten
are the sort who can't recognise the warning signs of a dog getting stressed.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:54, Reply)

does that prove anything about how the dog was trained?

( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 14:10, Reply)

Stay about from my dog!

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:42, Reply)

That is a fantastically gay dog

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:43, Reply)

He sets off my oak flooring though

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:44, Reply)

check 'em

(King Zog of Albania lives in Kensington, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:50, Reply)

b3th ...

(King Zog of Albania lives in Kensington, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:49, Reply)

I would like a dog like that one day.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:51, Reply)

I'll stick him in the post

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:52, Reply)

him my fingers
the post his bum
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:58, Reply)

Well durrr

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 14:05, Reply)

Oh no, don't do that, I don't think it would be very healthy for the dog.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 14:07, Reply)

pitbull ≠ staffie
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:40, Reply)

there is a reason why nobody has ever been mauled to death by a chihuahua

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:44, Reply)

or a miniature dachshund

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:45, Reply)

or a pug

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:45, Reply)

i bet if the owners wanted, they could make all of those dogs pretty dangerous,
like, you might get yer ankles knackered up.
( Sir Sand GOBLIN ^popular page dis, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:49, Reply)

totally
and in fact apparently postmen dread yorkshire terriers most of all. but those dogs still aren't going to kill you, unless you lie down and let them chew your face off...
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 14:00, Reply)

I bet one of them could take Battered, though.

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:48, Reply)

+ roughly from behind

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:52, Reply)