Time for you guys to talk about something sensible for a little while
So then, Gary McKinnon, the QOTW poster and hacker of the Pentagons website to make it say I love Horses, is looking set to be extradited to the US as professional arsehole and former postman Alan Johnson refused to get involved with the case.

Is he right, should this chap actually be flown to america to be roughed up and sodomised by nasty merkins, or should he be dealt with here, where he actually committed the crime? Tell me your learned, or just daily mailesque opinions.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 7:41, 66 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

Was he really QOTW?
Or just an ass-burger?
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:22, Reply)

Keep him here
I just don't think he'll get a fair trial over there. I haven't seen the US media's reaction to any of this (something to look at in a little bit), I get the feeling that he's going to be given the maximum possible sentence. He admits he broke in, for harmless reasons. Whether or not they are harmless and he's telling the truth about them, we don't know. A fair trial with the US intelligence community involved just won't happen though.
(Potty Jag har smör i min rumpspringa, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:22, Reply)

Why not?

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:30, Reply)

Why Not?
I would recommend having a look at the US secret services record of evidence tampering in order to convict the man they want to.

Paul Foot wrote many articles uncovering many flaws in trials.
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:37, Reply)

Wai nought?
Just because a man wrote some articles doesn't make it explicit he won't get a fair trial.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:39, Reply)

I agree
They have form is all I am saying.
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:48, Reply)

Fair enough.
I find rash and possibly misinformed sweeping opinions amusing.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:53, Reply)

It is a rash and sweeping thought
I don't think that any person who has a trial where intelligence communities are involved will get a fair one! It's the nature of keeping secrets - people will want it kept a secret, so will do what they can to keep it a secret.

It's not based on any fact or research, this is just my opinion.
(Potty Jag har smör i min rumpspringa, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:55, Reply)

Isnt that possibly
A rash sweeping opinion in itself?








*wonders if bait will be taken*
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:59, Reply)

Ask yourself if you're sure who's taken what bait.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:00, Reply)

Aha
Who is more foolish the fool or the fool who fools the fool...

etc ad infinitum
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:06, Reply)

Two ways of looking at it
1 - He's a bit mental, and broke in to the computers to see if the government was covering up any UFO evidence. The fact that he was able to do so highlighted a security flaw in the US's computer systems, and so they've been able to fix that. He should at least receive some acknowledgement for this.

2 - He's broken in to an ostensibly secure government resource, knowing full well it was illegal to do so. Yes, he didn't do anything malicious while he was there, but if someone broke into your house 'just for a look around' and you found him wandering around your living room, reading your UFO books you wouldn't be very happy. Therefore he should receive the punishment for his crime, meted out by the country which was affected.

I honesty don't know which is more appropriate in this case.
( K2k6 has a proper job these days, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:36, Reply)

while you do talk some sense
"he should receive the punishment for his crime, meted out by the country which was affected."

to use your metaphor, this would be like me punishing the burglar who got into my house.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:53, Reply)

Yes.
I think the burglar would get what he deserved in that case!
( K2k6 has a proper job these days, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:49, Reply)

Wouldn't it be more like
finding out where the burglar lives, dragging him back round to yours, and then dishing out your punishment?
( idonthaveafunnynickname Drink-Aware? Sure. I'm aware I want another drink., Fri 27 Nov 2009, 22:56, Reply)

Hang the bounder

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:42, Reply)

The voice of reason has spoken.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:43, Reply)

hang him here though
don't let those fat cunts do it
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:52, Reply)

Hang him by a hook, shoved up his arse.
But in ENGLAND.
(Spleep Shit, or get off the internet., Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:55, Reply)

Aw, I like Americans in the most part.
Except the rich ones, and the ones with power, and the ones who think owning a gun is a part of their being, and the racists, and the terminally obese, and the plastic Hollywood crowd, and the minor celebrities, and the kids who are deliberately stupid, and the gang members, and the evangelists and terminally religious, and the politicians, and the fascists, and I don't trust the Mormons, and the soldiers, and the manufacturer and marketers of junk food, and the hippies, and the crack whores and the pimps, and delivery drivers.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 8:59, Reply)

So basically
All the ones we see on the TeeVee?
(Potty Jag har smör i min rumpspringa, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:03, Reply)

American hippies are the most awful cunts.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:03, Reply)

Nah, they have novelty value.
English folk-singing, morris-dancing, "pagan", purple velour-wearing hippies are the worst.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:04, Reply)

Seconded.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:05, Reply)

We can get those anywhere though
Something unique is what is needed! For what, I have no idea. Catfood, maybe?
(Potty Jag har smör i min rumpspringa, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:06, Reply)

No way. I'm not having this.
English hippies can be awful too, I concede, but they're a lot quieter about it.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:09, Reply)

Deadheads.
They can be added to my 'against-the-wall-come-the-revolution' list. Not only for the smell and the inane cosmic drivel, but mostly for the dreadful dancing.
(Tugnut Ex of this parish, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:23, Reply)

I always felt sorry for the Dead.
Imagine having those frightful cunts following you around everywhere. It'd be enough to drive you to drugs.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:26, Reply)

Garcia made a good move in dying
...as the fan base moved on and started following the even more vile Phish. His band mates must have been so happy to unburden themselves of the great unwashed hordes of idiots.
(Tugnut Ex of this parish, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:29, Reply)

I was about 15
when I had the revelation that 'psychedelic' and 'hippie' were actually barely related. What a fucking relief that was.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:33, Reply)

By the way...
...you are using the word 'cunt' a lot.
(Tugnut Ex of this parish, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:36, Reply)

"Cunt" is the best word.

(Spleep Shit, or get off the internet., Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:38, Reply)

Sorry.
I do that a lot. I use swearing like most people use commas.

I'm fucking sorry.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:42, Reply)

Oh, no problem at all.
It was just an observation that you were using it more than usual.
(Tugnut Ex of this parish, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:45, Reply)

Maybe there are
more cunts around than usual? That usually sets off my swearing gland.
(Spleep Shit, or get off the internet., Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:47, Reply)

*looks around suspiciously*
They're everywhere, man...
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:53, Reply)

Coming out of the walls.
RIGHT NOW
(Spleep Shit, or get off the internet., Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:55, Reply)

BAD TRIP
EDIT: that's it! I've been thinking of putting a band together and always struggle with names. Bad Trip could be the one.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:58, Reply)

I intend to steal someone's user name for a band when I find the right people
the crackhouse ceilidh band would be a great name
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:11, Reply)

You're right. I would indeed.
You might want to check out my gay disco band, 'Vipros'.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:13, Reply)

you terrible cunt

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:18, Reply)

and have autposy videos playing as a backdrop
while relentless drones and screeches pummel the audience, interspersed with quieter sections where you whisper threatening monologues regarding being burned alive and perform weird ceremonies involving naked down syndrome sufferers fucking on a plinth. All the while a 7 foot albino vomits blood into a tin bath full of offal and eyeballs.

I'm sure Psychic TV have already explored this avenue though
(Cancer Joy was short lived, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:17, Reply)

do you know what?
I was thinking 'Psychic TV' four words into your reply there.

I saw them once when I was about 16, it was a truly disturbing experience. Impressive but genuinely unsettling - I really felt like I was amongst genuine deviants.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:26, Reply)

"Genuine deviants"
Yes, a perfect description. Would still love to have caught one of their shows though. Didn't the filth raid one of their gigs on the grounds of indecency and the possibility they were performing some fucked up devil worshipping ceremonies live on stage?
(Cancer Joy was short lived, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:36, Reply)

Genesis P'orridge
now has BREASTS!

Not moobs - but real 'lady dumplings'.
(Tugnut Ex of this parish, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:42, Reply)

I like a lot of Americans, too.
But there is something... adolescent about a lot of their culture. Its all very "ME!" And Americans have that habit of asuming they invented everything. I've had argument with otherwise sensible people who think that printing, cars, production lines and various other things have exclusively American origins.
(Spleep Shit, or get off the internet., Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:27, Reply)

I once had a conversation with an American who was insistant that
although Devon might not use the Euro, she was pretty sure that the rest of the UK did, in spite of counter arguments that I put forward
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:36, Reply)

I was in New York once
and was speaking with a fellow who exclaimned 'my cousin John's at university in London - do you know him? American guy?'.

This was topped by a fellow I encountered in a bar in Williamsburg VA last year: 'you're from London? I LOVE The Beatles'....
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:41, Reply)

England?
Is that near London?
(Tugnut Ex of this parish, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:42, Reply)

Eminem playing the Milton Keynes Bowl a couple of years back...
Eminem: Hello London!
60,000 wet Brits: CUNT!
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:49, Reply)

I used to live in Boston MA
...and always enjoyed telling locals after they mentioned that we drive on the 'wrong side of the road' that the UK was in the process of changing this system and would start with buses and lorries, and if it worked out well we would move the cars and bikes over next year.

Since I moved back I have started telling the English the same thing about Boston and they are just as gullible.
(Tugnut Ex of this parish, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:42, Reply)

I like this.
you could make it sound almost plausible.
(Spleep Shit, or get off the internet., Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:48, Reply)

Americans can be incredibly naive and ignorant
but these qualities can be a blessing. Combine them with an almost total lack of self-consciousness and you can rule the world. As they have proven.

But on the whole I like them, from experience.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:58, Reply)

Nah hangings to good for him. He should kneecapped in front of a war memorial whilst being pissed on by a student
I actually had a falling out with a famous british composer who thinks he should be sent down for life in the states for terrorism.
( Peej, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:01, Reply)

that fucking Elgar.
He's a right cunt.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:04, Reply)

did he take it Purcell-onally?

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 9:06, Reply)

Even so, you'd think he could have Handel-ed it better than that

(LongJohnBaldry, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:12, Reply)

Holst on!

(Tugnut Ex of this parish, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:42, Reply)

Can we get Bach on topic now?

(oneinthepink is at your cervix m'lady, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 12:30, Reply)

Was he
telling Phibbs?
(The Empress it seems you CAN polish a turd!, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:12, Reply)

You should
blow the Birtwhistle on him.
(The Empress it seems you CAN polish a turd!, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:14, Reply)

I take it
he's a Daily-Mail reading patriot, he must really love Britten
(The Empress it seems you CAN polish a turd!, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:14, Reply)

He's ignorant.
It's obvious that he knows Knussen at all.
(The Empress it seems you CAN polish a turd!, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:17, Reply)

he said 'famous'

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 10:54, Reply)

Knussen's quite famous. Well, I work in the classical music industry, so I have a distorted sense of fame: I can list any number of classical musicians, but couldn't tell you any of the cast of Eastenders (apart from Barbara Windsor).
(The Empress it seems you CAN polish a turd!, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 11:36, Reply)

Send him to china where they'll lavish him with anything he wanted for his 1337 skilz.
All the opium, whores and "RED BUS RED BUS.... WHERE'S THE THIRD ONE? OH GOD, I NEED A....few, red bus. BLUE BALL" he could want.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Fri 27 Nov 2009, 12:30, Reply)