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B3ta Art Auctions - Feedback please

Having just finished the last picture request and popped it in the post, I have been thinking about the success of the last and possibility of future B3ta Art Auctions.
The main problem is getting enough B3ta people together to hold a live auction, so I've been thinking about the best way to do virtual ones.
And because it obviously is about this place as much as anything I thought it best to get opinions from you lot.

Assuming it follows the same rough concept, People donate art, we auction it off, all the money goes to charity... what do you think would be the best way of doing it?

1 - Use Ebay, I've set up an account for this, but have stalled because of the cons...
Pros - it's a good system that clearly works, that most people know and trust, and anyone can bid from anywhere
Cons - They take 10% of the sale price, plus Paypal fees etc, some people don't trust it.

2. Do it all myself via gaz with a similar system as before (you name your highest bid for a lot and then I work out who has won at what price)
Pros - no fees, all goes to charity
Cons - a lot of work for me, some people may not trust me, which is fair enough, I have a beard.

3. Fuck off, this isn't what B3ta is about

Please answer honestly below, cheers.
B3ta Art Auction - Feedback

Feel free to add any other ideas/abuse

2 hours in and it seems in first past the post voting that twice as many people would rather not see b3tan art being sold to raise money for starving puppies with herpes (and a third more under AV :D)

Cheers folks, I'll knock it on the head/take it elsewhere :)

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:07, archived)

I would suggest opening it up to other charities;

perhaps a different charity per auction if it goes ahead.

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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:11, archived)

doesn't look like it's going ahead for any charity right now :D

never mind, all those cancery babies probably deserved it

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:12, archived)

those cancery babies do have other charity funding options available, which is nice

b3ta is shits 'n' giggle mainly, trying to mix charity with Maddie and 9/11 Jokes (et al) is a little 'square peg in round hole'-esque.
If it does happen, then the newsletter is the best place for spamming it via eBay or wherever.

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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:15, archived)

absolutely, hence 3

I don't want to annoy the majority of b3ta users, even if it does cure aids

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:17, archived)

if that's the case, then I'd suggest showing this to /talk, /links and /ot

at least that way, a majority of b3ta gets a say, and can have an input :)

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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:19, archived)

does it not make more sense to only ask the image appreciating public?

I assume people who don't partake of the image board are doing so because they're sick of the sight of our scribblings, and quite unlikely to want to buy one of them.

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:23, archived)

there are people who use all boards

and if you truly want the majority of b3ta to have a say, you need to ask them.

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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:25, archived)

but if they are viewing here/using all boards

then they will see this?

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:26, archived)

I'm just suggesting that if you want the majority of b3ta to have a say

it's down to more than just regular users of one particular board. You may get more support from /links, /ot etc. than you realise.
Who's to say b3tans who don't post images may not be willing to buy one from those that do? Even those who don't visit here all that often.

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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:29, archived)

I'm not suggesting regulars should be choosing

I just think that the image board contributors and viewers may be best people to ask about something done on the image board. In much the same way as while I do look at the talk board and comment rarely I'm not going to tell them how to do stuff on there :)
There's nothing stopping them popping over here and having a vote. I just don't want to go over there, say the wrong thing and cause all of them to come and click the fuck off option in response to me accidentally pissing them off.

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:33, archived)

that's fair enough, but it's then just a /board event, not a b3ta one.

also makes it appear very 'cliquey'

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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:35, archived)

fuck off with the cliquey thing, please, I'm genuinely tired of that word being thrown around here

it's not, its for everyone with an interest, or if the majority want it to fuck off, then that's what it will do

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:36, archived)

well, that's told me then.

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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:37, archived)

Nah I certainly know a fair few /linkers who are decent sorts, and just don't post that often here because they don't have the time/inclination/skillz to muck about with images.

Can't really testify to /talk (without goping down the obvious cliche road of /talk-dissing) or /ot since I don't really frequent...

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barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:25, archived)

might I suggest Scope for a charity that does good things

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Paul_P http://www.Paul-hub.com, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:20, archived)

The list is endless no?

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SauronWibble I'll hold it, you lick it..., Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:22, archived)

^this is the other thing, deciding on a charity

it will needs input of all for charity suggestions, then a separate poll every time to be impartial. I'd suggest the 'artwork' is prepared (and displayed online here somewhere) before the charity is decided/announced

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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:24, archived)

I would say the other way around

some people may only want to donate artwork once they know who they're giving it away for.

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:26, archived)

and vice versa, others may not want to donate 'artwork' if their charity isn't picked...

it's a fickle thing

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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:27, archived)

Perhaps everyone who donates artwork can nominate a charity

and all the suggestions go in a poll.

then either winner takes all or split it in a green-tokens-in-Waitrose stylee.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:34, archived)

^ this sounds like a fair system

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Paul_P http://www.Paul-hub.com, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:39, archived)

OTOH

if it does go the eBay route then no doubt you can specify which charity for which item and proceeds go direct to the charity of the donator's choice (as long as it's one on the eBay list).

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:40, archived)

A con of you doing all the work yourself

is that you might get trolled and find no money appears, sad but probably true.

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SauronWibble I'll hold it, you lick it..., Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:13, archived)

what stops people doing that with Ebay?

(I don't use Ebay much)

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:14, archived)

you can set an auction on fleabay so that people with less than so many feedback points cannot bid

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Paul_P http://www.Paul-hub.com, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:17, archived)

They get 'disapprove' scores against their sellers/buyers name.

Unlikely to get repeat business/able to bid on things.

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J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:17, archived)

I don't use it much either

I thought there was some way to report people buggering you about???

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SauronWibble I'll hold it, you lick it..., Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:17, archived)

I think it comes down to how much time you have to do it yourself.

If you feel you have the time, then the extra 10% + will always be a bonus to any charity.

If you dont have the time, then use eBay.

Anyway, now I have to make a mask, and re-brand myself Captain Obvious

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Saner, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:14, archived)

Ebay allows people outside the b3ta community to put bids in and has a chance to raise a shed load of extra cash

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Paul_P http://www.Paul-hub.com, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:14, archived)

1 - keep it infrequent - these things get quite tired quite quickly if overdone. Once a year would be good 'cos it would focus people towards the occasion. 2 max imho.

2 - involving the community in the selection of the beneficiary will help stimulate interest in it
3 - Ebay is very impersonal, but does have various advantages in terms of security and making sure people pony up once they've bought something
4 - combining it with a IRL event like a bash is good - gets people together, sense of occasion, plus there are opportunities for spin-off things that generate a bit more bunce for the organisation in question

So I'd say - combining some kind of live action auction type thing, with a sealed bid-type gaz setup would be favourite.

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barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:20, archived)

oh god it wouldn't be more than a couple of times in a year I imagine

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:24, archived)

I think there's a good argument for linking it to bashes, personally.

The London one's obvious, and maybe the Derby one if that still operates in a post-Jessie world :o(

Gives a bit of a focus to the thing before everyone starts getting leathered, and more of a buzz to the acutal auction.

And also, I can FAR better imagine my chances of getting a pass-out from the missus to go to a bash if I were saying I was going to 'a Charity Art Auction' as opposed to 'Getting Pissed With A Bunch Of People From The Internet'

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barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:28, archived)

there is a huge danger that combining it with a bash

will result in drunken bidding and people having to say "sorry I can't pay what I said, what did I say anyway?"

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:31, archived)

Yep. Very important to get it done before the booze starts flowing in earnest.

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barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:31, archived)

Pretty much what happened at London this year.

Well, we were mostly sober*, anyway.

* Sober enough to know how much we were bidding and on what, anyway...

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J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:34, archived)

Makes it more of an event than just an ebay deadline.

Plus it's a bit more dynamic than the usual ebay thing of adding 10p a microsecond before the bid deadline.

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barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:38, archived)

^ good point

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J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 16:03, archived)

If you're selling for charity

eBay credit back any listing and selling fees to the same percentage you donate.

i.e. if 100% goes to charity, you claim back 100% of the fees.

eBay would also mean you can gift aid the donations.

I'm not sure how it works with Paypal fees. Presumably if you are donating 100% of the proceeds to charity then you won't incur Paypal fees as the money won't be coming to you, it will go to the charity through MissionFish.

www.missionfish.org/index.html

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:23, archived)

not everyone is signed up to missionfish I found

Ebay ignore anyone not on their list it seems

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:25, archived)

True

but it makes it doable for any charity that wants to sign up for MissionFish.

And there's the gift aid thing which is well worth it.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:26, archived)

aye

but if you contact cat's protection or whoever and suggest they sign up it's win win

(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 21:41, archived)

or look at this ebay page

donations.ebay.co.uk/donation/GW4CController?ACTION=BrowseAction&SUB_ACTION=GetSearchForNP

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CanonCaliber A big bore, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:35, archived)

Charity is bollocks.

I realise I may get flamed for this, but I am fed up with having to support pet causes becuase insufficient government funding goes their way.
I don't understand why every pub I go to has a whip round for little Timmy to get some useless cancer treatment in America because NICE has looked at all the available evidence and pronounced it witchcraft. Buy him a fucking bandana and a trip to Disneyland, whilst shutting your mind to the 40,000 children who die every singe day through lack of access to food and clean water.
NSPCC. A charity not to help children but needed to PREVENT CRUELTY to them has no government sponsorship; RSPCA has a royal seal of approval and government funding to make sure my meat has a happy life.
Charity? Fuck it.

BTW; I would happily pay large sums for some of the artwork I see regularly here; I would also pay for permission to put some on t-shirts (even though I could copy it and get it done for free) The artists could then decide whether to keep the cash or give it to little Timmy.

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da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:34, archived)

I agree with the NSPCC and RSPCA bits

Although I am also glad my meat is happy.

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Wobbly Bloke Hello, did I miss anything on, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:56, archived)

is this a personal thing?

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The Twisted Omentum vidi vici veni, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 17:30, archived)

My 'tuppence' worth on this is the following

The Auctions should only happen at B3ta bashes, such as (for example) The London bash (or whatever looks to be the biggest bash over a 12 month period). This gives it a focus and people can actually do the bidding / socialising thing all at once.

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The magic of chutney Shakes it like an Instagram filter!, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:38, archived)

You leave your tuppence out of this, madam.

But yes.

Also - this year's was a bit off the cuff. Very successful, like, but a bit more advance planning could have seen some of the serious heavy hitters of b3ta come up with some bespoke pieces of the auction, and generate even further interest. Maybe get some of the old school re-engaged.

A one-off DTH or IVV for example, would probably go for a fortune.

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barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:41, archived)

I am in accordance with ^this^ man

Plus, If I do produce something specifically for an auction at a bash, then I might ACTUALLY get to attend one of the blooming things.

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The magic of chutney Shakes it like an Instagram filter!, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:46, archived)

To be fair

the auctions items were largely won by people who had gazzed their bids rather than those in the pub.

The raffle was great though. I won a Game Boy.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:42, archived)

perhaps we could auction raffle tickets!

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:43, archived)

but this does narrow down who can bid/buy

might be worth combining fleabay/online auction with the bash.

That way everyone gets to bid, outsiders from b3ta can also see the pics and bid and no drunken bidding

Then buyers can collect from the bash or get the pic posted out

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Paul_P http://www.Paul-hub.com, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:43, archived)

1. use ebay - it's already a trusted and useful tool

2. if you can't get 100% fees back through their charity scheme, then you will probably bring in enough money to mitigate this anyway

3. Publicising an auction can be done in sigs, existing threads, b3ta calendar, newsletter, Facebook, Twitter and countless other ways

4. This may even bring more people to b3ta

5. This could bring more work to those of you who draw/paint/design/illustrate/animate for money

6. B3ta is as b3ta does - fuck the trolls

7. Profit!

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Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something., Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:43, archived)

^ this

but no profit, it's for charity

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Paul_P http://www.Paul-hub.com, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:48, archived)

it would be incidental and unavoidable

and so what? - it's a win-win situation for those who produce the great artworks that get sold

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Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something., Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:51, archived)

I like the ebay idea as it gets b3ta pictures into the outside world

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Paul_P http://www.Paul-hub.com, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:56, archived)

I think people should individually post their artwork for charity auction on /board without fear of being called a spammer

together with their charity choice and suggested price
The winning bidder sends a cheque (payable to charity) to the seller and gets the art

I know this will only work up to 2015 when cheques will all be scrapped

Perhaps Rob can be persuaded to display serious charity arts on the front page for say a 7 day auction......a good way of someone getting a fp

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CanonCaliber A big bore, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:44, archived)

Don't worry, I'll set up a BACS transfer system so you won't need cheques.

Just send me your bank details and I'll pay the charity $30,000,000. You get to keep 10% for your trouble.
General Mpene Earned
419 Scam Street
Lagos

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da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:48, archived)

Dear General Mpene Earned

I am once again emailing you with regards to my Zimbabwe lottery winning which I am still yet to receive.

Was there a problem with the check I sent across for £4000?

I await your response and the payment of 6000000 Zimbabwe dollars

Thank you once again for your time
Paul Powers

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Paul_P http://www.Paul-hub.com, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:54, archived)

I'm already signed up to the CIAMI5 bank

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CanonCaliber A big bore, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:54, archived)

I think a just a couple of auctions a year would be great... Not actually being at the London Bash this year, but taking part in the auction via the magic of the internet was still a lot of fun

That being said it would probably be best if it were part of a bash, eg the London Bash and one of the Christmas Bashes.

From a bidder's perspective, I'd be quite happy to see it work through eBay or through gazzing, but from the organizing side of things I can imagine that side of the even would be manic and time-consuming... Would it be possible to split the task over 5 trusted (!) b3tans? Bids for artworks 1-5 gaz to User1, 6-10 to user2 etc etc?

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theoriginalsteve <this space intentionally left blank>, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:50, archived)

I'm thinking that the comparative calm of the last minute weekend auction was some kind of miracle

judging by the difference in feedback here it could be more difficult and abusive than I'm willing to deal with.
Coordinating b3tans to deal with it sounds like an even bigger headache.
This is meant to be a bit of fun, not a team building exercise :D

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:54, archived)

Hang on, I'll fetch the Myers-Briggs forms for us all to fill in...

;-)

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J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 16:02, archived)

eBay sounds more and more like a good idea... Artwork sent out on payment through ebay...

there wasn't any "unpleasantness" during the last auction, was there?

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theoriginalsteve <this space intentionally left blank>, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 16:02, archived)

Well, Vagabond was there,

but apart from that - no, it was fine.

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J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 16:04, archived)

hahaha!

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theoriginalsteve <this space intentionally left blank>, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 16:05, archived)

And there you have it...

This post wins the 'post with the most words' award.

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Wobbly Bloke Hello, did I miss anything on, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 15:57, archived)

WATE.... you have a beard?

Oooooh shit

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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 16:08, archived)

Much as I trust you, Toastface,

Unless you really have nothing better to do with your life, use eBay and make sure the charity is registered with them to get fees back. I'm fairly familiar with their charity setup - I did a few auctions for Oxfam when I worked for them. I'd suggest having a single page, hosted ay on b3ta, with an overview of the item for sale and a link to the relevant eBay auction.

And do you want to limit the publicity and artworks to just b3tans? We could certainly publicise the event to other internet communities (reddit, Fark, etc.). It may be possible to rope in other artists (comicbook artists, etc.) to provide stuff for sale too.

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Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 16:11, archived)

Woah huge post so hope you get down to read this...

Subject to Lord Rob's approval - you could combine it with a weekly image challenge. As well as clicking "like" people could use the thread to bid!!

No subject - people just post what they want to sell for the CST

Probably a shit idea but it could run for a couple of weeks or even more?

Edit; It would also be very "non labour intensive" - people just bid and, if they win, send the money just like with the last one.

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The Twisted Omentum vidi vici veni, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 17:28, archived)

based on majority voting, I would say, no

we're the minority on this one, time to put it to bed I think

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 17:59, archived)

happy to contribute if you want to do something elsewhere

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The Twisted Omentum vidi vici veni, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 18:09, archived)

Sorry fella, but putting it to a poll was asking for trouble given some of the sorts you get here.

It's no reason to bin the idea at all. I hope there is another one done for the next big bash, I'll most deff contribute to another auction.

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The magic of chutney Shakes it like an Instagram filter!, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 18:29, archived)

Don't do it for charity

Just tell us you're a greedy bastard and want money. I'd pay then, and I'm a cheap fucker who hasn't given b3ta a fraction of a penny in years...and I'm not proud of that

(CactusZack Shaved his coin purse on, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 17:59, archived)

i think it's a good idea

and don't you why the poll has got such a negative response.

agree with archie that we could help several charities on a rotating basis.

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Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 19:22, archived)

You can vote again in 9999 minutes time.

you are insane!

(MarkP0rter is an annoying faggot, Mon 6 Jun 2011, 19:59, archived)