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[challenge entry] I'm going to bury this here as TOAP is TOAP

Edit: Cheers for the FP but just a quick note to say that
I wrote this as a piss-take justification of pirating movies
not as actual fact so no need to try to poke holes in it.
Instead look up Adam Curtis on Youtube and watch some
of his wonderful documentaries where you can see a
genius at work and indirectly steal from him.

From the Pirates! challenge. See all 253 entries (closed)

(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 0:19, archived)
you have my click
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 0:21, archived)
# Yarr!
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 0:23, archived)
# I'm with you on this
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 0:54, archived)
# My crimes
Are helping the film industry. I can sleep at night henceforth!
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 6:08, archived)
# Yes!
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 13:25, archived)
# A more inclusive audience...
...Like kids too young to download films...

... And really old people who dont know anything about computers or where they are.

Doesn't sound like a good way for the film industry to go to me!
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 13:39, archived)
# But what about...
All the low budget films, that no one goes to see, and just get downloaded, and don't make money, leaving hardworking directors up the shitter as people are fighting them, at the same time as the major film companies.
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 14:15, archived)
# I would suggest you don't download films then
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 14:57, archived)
# If I'm honest there are so many holes in this argument you could drive a lorry through them
The most obvious being if the studios stop making blockbusters then what will the kids download and then surely the cycle will start again.

But the basic economic model of the major movie studios will have to change along with the online environmento.

Still FP'd so like I care!!!!!!!!!
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 15:01, archived)
# Well...
..nobody goes to see low budget films because they don't get 'general release' in cinema chains, they don't get posters, and they don't get reviewed in newspapers because newspapers only review films that take out lots of advertising with them.

The only way these films ever become profitable cult movies is through free advertising when they get when they are shown on TV. Piracy is an additional avenue of free advertising, it's the same people who watch a film for free on TV and then decide it's so good they want to buy the DVD that will watch the film for free via bittorrent and then decide it's so good they want to buy the DVD.

If free advertising is bad for a film, then that's because it's one of those 'I want my £6 and 2 hours of my life back please' films.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2009, 11:26, archived)
# Pffft
Number #94 in the List of Feeble Excuses for Nicking Stuff: "It's Steven Spielberg's Fault!"
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 15:34, archived)
# As was the holocaust and the prevalence of maniac truck drivers on our roads
He has a lot to answer for
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 15:57, archived)
# on the other hand
this could cause hollywood to go the opposite route, make films that appeal to the lowest common denominator, to corral as many people into the theatre as possible, thus reducing the quality. I think your conclusion would come true if the Hollywood types had any dignity whatsoever, but that's not exactly a forgone conclusion, now is it :-P
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 16:07, archived)
# ^This
The prime example is playing now: Transformers 2.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2009, 2:49, archived)
# Coz they haven't *already* done that?
(, Fri 3 Jul 2009, 7:07, archived)
# Should be 'fewer paying customers'...
...But it would still be a shite argument nonetheless
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 16:30, archived)
# I'm fairly sure that we will be seeing this image pop up on digg within hours
and without the qualifying text underneath
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 18:20, archived)
# I'll check out the Adam Curtis stuff later
But, there's a good point made here :)
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 18:42, archived)
# Do, but like b3ta, keep it in small doses otherwise your faith in humanity
can be severely tested
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 19:44, archived)
# while I can see this side of the argument
I can also speak from the position of an artist who worked at a very small games studio whose product was pirated very quickly which resulted in us all being made redundant. So it does hurt the indies very, very hard.

The real negative issue of piracy is more and more fat stupid kids who sit in front of their computers downloading everything are spreading the word that everything should be free, because from their ridiculous position life is very cheap with as their bills paid for by their parents and their hobbies of music, games and films cost nothing. So don't any of you artists go out expecting to get paid for your photoshop work any time in the near future as we should be paying them to take a look at it and just rely on a giant Coca Cola sign across it to pay the rent.
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 20:28, archived)
# solutions
Why should people pay for something they can download for free? You should do your photoshop and game programming live. Then you could charge for ticket sales and sell merchandise at the venue.

(I'm joking. As a musician people always tell me to do that. It doesn't make sense for most musicians either.)
(, Thu 2 Jul 2009, 21:38, archived)
# I bet I am older than you.. and I know that people have been copying shit way before I can remember..
The shit that deserves a cash injection is the stuff that really pushes the buttons of society (be it current, political, topical or just brilliant).. the REAL DEAL is the material that people will be listening to/watching in fifty years time..

If the 'Credit Crunch' (I hate that phrase) has taught us anything, is that 'Brilliant' material will SELL.. and those that produce it will prosper (Good on them!).

Everything else is 'throw-away' and if people download it, it doesn't mean that actually give a shit about it. Chances are they will just delete it right after they realise that is was not worth buying in the first place.

The 'pirate' world should be embraced by the media producers as a critic of the dross that a lot of them churn out.

Ask any 'fan' of anything that was downloaded early. It was probably worthy of buying in the first place.

It doesn't matter if they found it three months before it became public. They'll still buy it on the launch day.

If sales are 'damaged' it is because it was probably borderline crap in the first place.

Get out of your own asses and stop paying actors $150M dollars and send some of that cash downstream to the people who actually work harder than the 'a-list' (pfft!) actors..
(, Fri 3 Jul 2009, 1:34, archived)
# this just about sums up my views
the ridiculous overbudgetting of movies also leads to the overpricing of cinema tickets/dvds which in turn motivates another section of the downloaders.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2009, 6:16, archived)
# For another view on this try this link:

Also I can't help think that micro-stock libraries format, which I consider one of the greatest advents in the design world of the last 10 years, may save the film and movie industry much more than any prosecution will.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2009, 12:47, archived)
# test
(, Fri 3 Jul 2009, 4:53, archived)
# Agree about Adam Curtis
He is well brilliant, and deserves a knighthood. Though, if he were true to his principles, he wouldn't accept one.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2009, 9:06, archived)
# Unfortunately the actual answer they seem to be going for is 3D
Gimmicks to draw people back into the cinema. I download quite a bit of things.. but if I like it.. innevitably it will end up in my cd or dvd collection as well.. if it gets released over here.

either way lovely :D

(, Fri 3 Jul 2009, 10:14, archived)
# spitzenklasse!
here's a good and precise review of a big budget movie: www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=quantum_of_phallus
(, Sun 5 Jul 2009, 20:59, archived)
# Adam Curtis
ta for meantioning the chap..
otherwise itd of been alot longer before i stumbled over his stuff.
he's right on the money as to the how and whys of world politics & such are fucked up.
screw hack folks like alex jones ..this guys the real deal ;)
(, Tue 7 Jul 2009, 18:02, archived)