The other side. - Astral Projection
I have recently taken up a huge interest, on "The Other Side". I am not religious or spiritual. But have read some amazing stuff, and talked to people about Astral Projection. The ability to self induce an Out of Body Experience and project your conciousness to the Astral Realms.

Unlike religion or mystical shit. Youre expected to just have faith and believe what youre being told as gospel. With Astral Projection, theres stuff online and plenty of guides on how to actually do it. With practice and patience, getting your mind in order it is possible for virtually anyone to jump out of their physical body and go explore the many levels of the astral worlds.

Thats basically it in a nutshell.
Tho I have yet to succeed in doing it. I have definately felt something. There is definately something there.

I was waking up one morning (best time to do it apparantly) and suddenly thought "ah yes Astral Projection" before I knew it. I felt myself hurtle through a tunnel in what I could only describe as a 3D blackness. My ears went funny as the sound of the physical world faded away.

The shock of this sent adrenaline through me and I woke up.

I dont know what I had done. But I had definately done something. That was no dream as I was already awake. But I am pretty sure I had tapped into something.

A bit more of a read up and viola. I suddenly start reading about this 3D Blackness and wooshing through a tunnel like a take off as your projecting. So basically I had started to project my conciousness from my body to elsewhere.

Freaky? Well first time yes, second time was exciting, which sadly brought me out of it. But one day I will figure this out.

Do a google for Frank Kepple and Monroe Institute and Tom Campbell. Have read all their stuff and I honestly think they're onto something here.
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:00, 57 replies)

Give me strength.

(oneinthepink is at your cervix m'lady, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:15, closed)

Ever the critic me.
Surely, they are just projecting their mind into...well... their mind.
( The Awful Puppy Bakery is still bored, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:18, closed)

Precisely.

(oneinthepink is at your cervix m'lady, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:22, closed)

yes
Agreed. This is known as Focus 2 (Kepples Model) but Focus 3 youre actually projecting it to the Astral world.
I guess to prove it, would be to obtain information or communicate with someone which can then be proven in real life. Robert Monroe has apparantly proved this to be the case by having two people projecting at the same time to Focus 3. Both with headphones on, and in isolated rooms. Monroe was telling one of them to tell the other one specific information. When they came around, the other one was able to repeat the information which Monroe had said.

Its in an interesting read anyway :) Mainly because if you do find it interesting and want to persue it, then you have the opportunity to go find out for yourself. Religion doesnt give such pleasure.
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:26, closed)

At the risk of being a huge irony dunce
Yes completely unlike religion. In the case of religion there is absolutely nothing online or any guides. Its like they should have a set guide, like a bible or something that actually tells them what to do to experience the reality of God.

Also no-one on the internet or in the world claims to have experienced or seen God, or that with practice they can talk to to God. None of them concentrate really hard on a regular basis, say weekly, in a place together, asking for something they want, then claim to see a result as a consequence.

Sorry, I hate being mean on the itnernets and but the preposterousness of your second paragraph defies belief. Blind faith, my friend, until you have done it yourself and, most would argue, long after you've experienced something you think might be AP, is exactly what you have there.


*Edit* should add though that I love this stuff and will be reading up! :D.
*Edit again* Gah! "Religion doesn't give such pleasure"!?!?!? Of course it does or why would anyone want to believe in it!!
( Throat And Ice Pie I see dem tatties dere., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:32, closed)

Im open minded.
And would love to hear the counter argument of this one. It sounds all very matrixy / Inception like when reading about it.

Its interesting mainly because, even if youre not actually going out and discovering the after life. It seems there are ways to tap into those aledgidly unused parts of the brain. Because the experiences you have are very real indeed and you can control what happens (especially in Focus 2) which sounds like a really cool free trip :)
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:40, closed)

All I'm saying
Is at this point, by your own comparison, you're the guy that's read the bible and spoken to some Christians and now believes absolutely that there is a God and that he is good.
( Throat And Ice Pie I see dem tatties dere., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:44, closed)

God is a fucking idiot.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 15:32, closed)

He
speaks very highly of you though.
(dchurch bah, Thu 14 Apr 2011, 14:44, closed)

no
Because the bible doesnt give me the opportunity to go and find out myself if God is real, and if Jesus actually did die on a cross.
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 15:57, closed)

It claims it does

( Throat And Ice Pie I see dem tatties dere., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 22:42, closed)

The other side. - Astral Projection
I have recently taken up a huge interest, on "The Other Side". I am not religious or spiritual. But have read some amazing stuff, and talked to people about Astral Projection. The ability to self induce an Out of Body Experience and project your conciousness to the Astral Realms.

Unlike religion or mystical shit. Youre expected to just have faith and believe what youre being told as gospel. With Astral Projection, theres stuff online and plenty of guides on how to actually do it. With practice and patience, getting your mind in order it is possible for virtually anyone to jump out of their physical body and go explore the many levels of the astral worlds.

Thats basically it in a nutshell.
Tho I have yet to succeed in doing it. I have definately felt something. There is definately something there.

I was waking up one morning (best time to do it apparantly) and suddenly thought "ah yes Astral Projection" before I knew it. I felt myself hurtle through a tunnel in what I could only describe as a 3D blackness. My ears went funny as the sound of the physical world faded away.

The shock of this sent adrenaline through me and I woke up.

I dont know what I had done. But I had definately done something. That was no dream as I was already awake. But I am pretty sure I had tapped into something.

A bit more of a read up and viola. I suddenly start reading about this 3D Blackness and wooshing through a tunnel like a take off as your projecting. So basically I had started to project my conciousness from my body to elsewhere.

Freaky? Well first time yes, second time was exciting, which sadly brought me out of it. But one day I will figure this out.

Do a google for Frank Kepple and Monroe Institute and Tom Campbell. Have read all their stuff and I honestly think they're onto something here.
(Boom-, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:00, Ignore, Reply, I like this!)
Give me strength.

(oneinthepink is at your cervix m'lady, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:15, Ignore, Reply, I like this!)
Ever the critic me.
Surely, they are just projecting their mind into...well... their mind.
( Edenmonster, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:18, Ignore, Reply, I like this!)
Precisely.

(oneinthepink is at your cervix m'lady, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:22, Ignore, Reply, I like this!)
yes
Agreed. This is known as Focus 2 (Kepples Model) but Focus 3 youre actually projecting it to the Astral world.
I guess to prove it, would be to obtain information or communicate with someone which can then be proven in real life. Robert Monroe has apparantly proved this to be the case by having two people projecting at the same time to Focus 3. Both with headphones on, and in isolated rooms. Monroe was telling one of them to tell the other one specific information. When they came around, the other one was able to repeat the information which Monroe had said.

Its in an interesting read anyway :) Mainly because if you do find it interesting and want to persue it, then you have the opportunity to go find out for yourself. Religion doesnt give such pleasure.
(Boom-, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:26, Ignore, Reply, I like this!)
At the risk of being a huge irony dunce
Yes completely unlike religion. In the case of religion there is absolutely nothing online or any guides. Its like they should have a set guide, like a bible or something that actually tells them what to do to experience the reality of God.

Also no-one on the internet or in the world claims to have experienced or seen God, or that with practice they can talk to to God. None of them concentrate really hard on a regular basis, say weekly, in a place together, asking for something they want, then claim to see a result as a consequence.

Sorry, I hate being mean on the itnernets and but the preposterousness of your second paragraph defies belief. Blind faith, my friend, until you have done it yourself and, most would argue, long after you've experienced something you think might be AP, is exactly what you have there.


*Edit* should add though that I love this stuff and will be reading up! :D.
*Edit again* Gah! "Religion doesn't give such pleasure"!?!?!? Of course it does or why would anyone wnat to believe in it!!
( Throat And Ice Pie I see dem tatties dere., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:32, Ignore, Reply, I like this!)
( The Mock Turtle ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:38, closed)

lol

( The Awful Puppy Bakery is still bored, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:40, closed)

lol
Looooooooooong read, but with an open mind enjoy:

www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:42, closed)

Like the picture on that link.

( The Mock Turtle ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 12:54, closed)

ooooh ur terrible.
the guy is deceased now!
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 13:37, closed)

So
it is his ghost leaving his body?
( The Mock Turtle ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 13:45, closed)

He's a fucking idiot.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 15:32, closed)

So the best time to do it is when you're waking up...
... still half-asleep and in the state where you could mistake a pile of clothes for a troll or some shit. Seems convenient.

This post is pretty stupid tbh.
(MJPerry was crude but clickable at, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 13:01, closed)

The best time to
wank is when I am waking up.
( The Mock Turtle ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 13:15, closed)

I know
But you wake up slowly, so I've plenty time to hide before you're fully awake.
( SteamedCleaner, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 15:25, closed)

I'm reading this as "Half awake credulous person believes stuff".
Also, what have violas got to do with anything?
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 13:04, closed)

crock of shit.
whooshing in a tunnel? i reckon you tapped into 'being half asleep'.
( janet aylia y'all motherfuckers need jesus, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 13:07, closed)

wow never realised u guys were such sceptics
Im not going to try and convince you but at least think about it.
When we dream we are seeing and hearing things.. but not with our eyes and ears. Our brain is capable of producing images, sounds and feelings without our normal senses.
All Astral Projection does is take this much further in a concious controllable way. That way you can have an experience which you can control. Which are much more realistic than a dream.

Maybe it is all a dream. And the stuff about going to the other side is a load of baloney. But unless you open your mind to other possibilites beyond your physical self, then you will never know.
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 14:52, closed)

This is nonsense.
Astral projection involves taking seriously the idea not just that the brain can create all kinds of weirdness - which is trivially true - but that some part of you can leave your body and travel through space and time independently of the body.

And that's gibberish.

Telling us to think about it assumes that there's something that warrants the effort to think about. In this case, there isn't.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 15:10, closed)

I think your head might be projected up your asstral.

(oneinthepink is at your cervix m'lady, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 15:15, closed)

If you open your mind too much your brain will fall out
(c) Tim Minchin
(leviticus no longer likes the cut of your gib on, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 16:39, closed)

^this
a million times this
( kappynitty doubled your entendre on, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 16:55, closed)

That line is waaaaay older than Minchin.

( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 20:59, closed)

This might explain
why it's so much better than any other line I've heard him say. It's the title of one of his songs.
(leviticus no longer likes the cut of your gib on, Thu 14 Apr 2011, 13:17, closed)

www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/dec/03/phantom-limb-pain-brain-science
( Amorous Badger NAKED BEA ARTHUR PHOTOS 4U, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 13:45, closed)

awesome read
Just goes to show how powerful the mind is, and what it can do.. and how we under utilise it.
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 15:18, closed)

You're still a fucking idiot.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 15:31, closed)

powerful?
don't you mean easily confused?

This popular belief that we only use x percent of our brains is also horse shit.

By the way, I've got some magic beans for sale.
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 16:57, closed)

Oo oo oo!
Are they pretty colours? How much how much how much?
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 17:09, closed)

I'm a fucking idiot.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 17:09, closed)

You're just a fuck.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 15:32, closed)

Bollocks.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 13:55, closed)

You're a very rude fucking idiot.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 15:31, closed)

It might be a crock of shit but there's something in this...
Ok, maybe all in the persons head, but I spent a good year trying this after reading Munroe's book. We're taking 20 years ago. My take on it would be it's lucid dreaming, being able to realize you're asleep when you're in your dream, then being able to take control. The major hurdle is the "not waking up part" when you realize you are asleep, as the OP said, you get quite excited which causes you to wake up. After much practice though, you will stop waking up.

And how do you trigger the thought in your dream so you actually realize you are dreaming. I used a mental trigger, I smoked at the time, and if you smoke there's a high likelihood you smoke in your dreams. So each time a had a cigarette I asked myself "Am I dreaming" - this eventually carried over into my dreams. Pick a trigger, practice, and you will get there.

So what happened when I did this and it worked? Mostly flying, spinning 360s uncontrollably, now and again visiting places and talking to people. I'd say over a year period I had about 10 of these. I never got to the levels that the book talked to, and I slowly stopped as I didn't focus on it/lost interest. There were also a couple of times when I had a huge sense of dread, like something was about to kill me and I was paralyzed and felt I couldn't wake up. They weren't fun.

So, in a nutshell, this can work, but maybe not to the level the books describe it, and I personally think it's just dreams.
(ISignedUpToTalkShit but that was another QOTW, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 14:00, closed)

Self Hypnosis
Look at some of the studies between day dreaming and hypnosis.
( The Mock Turtle ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 14:07, closed)

lucid dreaming is not astral projection.
dreams are dreams. astral projection is horseshit promulgated by people who knit their own acid.
( janet aylia y'all motherfuckers need jesus, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 14:10, closed)

Lolz

( The Mock Turtle ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 14:34, closed)

Nicely put.

( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 14:36, closed)

janet (the fucking idiot) for president (of the fucking idiots)!

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 15:30, closed)

You're also a fucking idiot.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 15:31, closed)

You're a fucking idiot.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 15:30, closed)

I want to believe...
... I mean.. don't we all? What is the point if what we perceive as life is just this? We get old, our bodies cant cope anymore and we die. Thats it.. Our conciousness dies, our memory dies, our personality. Then there is nothing.
Unless you have done something particularly special in your time, then within 100 years time, nobody will have any living memory of you.
So when you spent months working hard, day in day out creating something. Getting really stressed to achieve something. Or helped someone out by making a huge sacrifice by doing so. Then whats it matter if your life in the grand scheme of the universe was just a blink of an eye?

Its just a sad ending after all the hard work you put into life, for it to just be meaningless at the very end. So naturally people will want to believe that there is somewhere else to go onto. Or when they have lost a loved one, that they are somewhere nice.

Now with that on board. Religion such as Cristianity seems to play the reward or punishment game. By convincing followers that if they do this they go to heaven, and if they dont do it, they go to hell. By praying on the natural curiosity about life after death, they control people. The poeple who claim to be able to Astral Project their conciousness into the afterlife, say "I dont expect you to believe us. But this is how you do it. Give it a try." That to me, speaks more volumes than any biblical publication which just expect you to follow everything word for word and believe in it.

People like Tom Campbell are normal people. Who is a professional physicist with expertise in large-system simulations, technology development and integration, and complex system vulnerability and risk analysis, working mostly in the context of US missile defense systems, including working with the Space and Missile Defense Command, the Missile Defense Agency and NASA. He aint just some jock off the street or some tribesman from the jib jab tribe constantly getting high on Salvia. He was introduced to Astral Projection. Learned how to do it and helped Monroe with scientific experiments. Check out his interview on Coast to Coast AM about My Big Theory of Everything. Because it is fascinating stuff.
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 17:50, closed)

The real world is always more interesting than this stuff
There's more to be excited about in a single drop of sea water than all pseudoscience combined.

As you've eloquently explained, you're looking for a comfort blanket to hide under.

Come out from under it and really open your mind to the gobsmacking beauty, complexity and all-round amazingness of the universe.
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 18:18, closed)

Credulity, self-loathing, naive pessimism, wishful thinking and a sprinkling of racism.
You really are a fucking idiot.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 19:52, closed)

racism?
Where?
Im merely just leveling with the masses if I mentioned some tribesman on Salvia. (btw Salvia was used by mystical people going back to the eons to gain higher states of conciousness)

And you sir, are just obviously closed minded to anything beyond your natural five senses. Which is fine. But remember, just because you can't see it. Doesn't mean its not there. Remember, we can't see radio waves or feel them or hear them without a special device called a radio. Before the days of radio, then such things also would have been perceived as nonsense, controversial or mystical. Quite similar to how we perceive the Astral non-physical planes now. Because we don't currently have definitive means to bring the astral plane into line to our physical senses.
You are some what deluded if you believe that as humans, we know everything and can see everything there is to see around us.

I guess only time will tell, if one day the notion of additional dimensions, realms, spirit worlds, or whatever you want to call it become common and accepted knowledge. Or maybe science will develop further to prove its a load of rubbish. In the meantime a healthy debate about it is always good. Slandering people for trying to think outside the box and take on new ideas, isnt constructive.
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Wed 13 Apr 2011, 20:05, closed)

We have far more than five senses, you ignorant berk.
And there is no consensus on the cultural history of salvia. What the fuck are "mystical" people? More hippy bollocks and casual racism.

Using the scientific revolution and the extraordinary progress it has allowed us to make in understanding the physical universe as evidence that your fantasies of mystical hokum might exist is utterly utterly fatuous. There are so many logical flaws in that argument that it's actually offensive to the eyes.

Astral planes are categorically bollocks. Absolutely and unequivocally bollocks. And the fact that you desperately want to believe in them rather than learning about the countless array of vastly more interesting and (critically) vastly more real things in the universe is beyond stupid. It is wilfully stupid. You're wasting the brain that you were born with. And that makes you a fucking idiot.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 20:20, closed)

I agree pretty much entirely with you, Dr S
But, gorluvvaduck, you need to chill the fuck out...
(Sir Itchalot has a very self-referential signature, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 20:51, closed)

I have this supernatural ability to produce emotional rhetoric without actually experiencing the emotion.
It's this mystical aztec thing involving ancient herbs and the spirits of my ancestors that you probably wouldn't understand with your blinkered materialist view of the universe. Or ... you know ... it might just be an ability to type words into a box on a messageboard. We'll just never know.

[tales of the unexpected theme music]

[on pan pipes]
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 23:00, closed)

Nope.
Still gibberish
(Boom- Clicks on NSFW links at work., Thu 14 Apr 2011, 8:07, closed)

If it were a response to you then I would have avoided the use of sarcasm
on account of you being a fucking idiot.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Thu 14 Apr 2011, 8:48, closed)

Nope.
Still gibberish.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 13 Apr 2011, 21:01, closed)