I have a question for 'da layteez', please.
When you were little, were you obsessed with Disney princesses? Is this 'normal', do 'all little girls'?

I ask this genuine question because I had an argument with my ex about this last night. The girl (who looks more than a little mongoloid, bless her) upstairs from my child has lent her some jigsaws - thank you very much, of course, but these are Disney princess ones. Like all her toys (bar the 15 Barbies) - like her birthday cake etc etc. I scoffed at this from a snobbery perspective, as you know I would, but I also objected to this obsession on moral grounds, as I feel little girls are being told that the ideal female role model is someone who has been given everything they want either through birth or marriage, and has achieved nothing for themselves.

My ex laid into me saying that ‘all’ little girls love that stuff. My sister categorically didn’t (she was obsessed with ‘Brambly Hedge’) and I wonder if it’s a class thing, but she also hates jewellery and doesn’t go much on makeup either and is thus unusual.

So is it true?

Apologies for length. Cheers.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 8:46, 230 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

I

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 8:50, Reply)

Claudius?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 8:51, Reply)

am Spartacus.
Fucking phone won't let me type properly.

Ning Monty.
Anyway, yeah, given that I'm one of those lesbian feminist types I hate Disney Princesses. I hate Disney actually. And I'm no fan of your run-of-the-mill princesses either. And I'm a snob too because I dread my daughter ever being into such things. I'm raising her on a cultural diet of Ray Mears and, at a push, Balamory.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 8:55, Reply)

Yeah but you're a lesbian innit.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:08, Reply)

I don't like make-up or jewellery either.
Is your sister single?

(Although, wait a minute, I'm not. I keep forgetting I have an actual husband now.)
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:12, Reply)

I wasn't really into this stuff but a lot of girls are.
If that is her nature and she's very girly then you can't fight it.
( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 8:53, Reply)

I don't object to fairy tales etc in the slightest,
my brother bought her an Edmund Dulac illustrated Hans Andersen that is simply beautiful - my problem is with the Jordanesque pink plastic filth.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 8:55, Reply)

Morning BGB
You looked lovely at Aber's wedding!
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:00, Reply)

Thank you.
I was HOT STUFF!
( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:02, Reply)

I heard you were 'smouldering'...

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:06, Reply)

Pictures of the aftermath will be forthcoming soon.

( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:06, Reply)

You're just annoyed that the dolls aren't anatomically correct.

( Undulating Tentacles of Love getting fun down to acceptable levels, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 8:55, Reply)

They can be, ah, adapted, believe me....

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 8:56, Reply)

I know I'm letting myself in for it by replying to a thread address to "da layteez", whatever that is
but I actually might be able to offer some vaguely useful advice here. My Mum and sister are both absolutely obsessed with Disney and try to get to the resort in Paris two or three times a year. My parents also usually go to either the Florida or California park once a year. This is hardly pertinent to my 63-year-old mother but my sister grew up with a permanent interest in the Disney movies and especially all the female characters, and is nonetheless a very intelligent, well-adjusted young woman with no preconceptions about some Prince Charming sweeping her off her feet and taking her to live in a magical land full of talking animals and blue genies with annoying American personalities. Indeed she is the breadwinner in her household and her interest in getting married and having kids is as a result of our parents' ridiculously successful marriage rather than anything Uncle Walt has instilled in her.

Also, Mulan had to fight for what she achieved in her life, so there.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 8:59, Reply)

Thanks for the insight.
I must point out that my own child is more interested in Nemo than Beuty and the fucking Beast - for now, at any rate.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:05, Reply)

Well you can't go far wrong with the Pixar
They're generally on fairly sturdy moral ground. And they're CUTE
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:07, Reply)

Marine scientist fo sho!

( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:07, Reply)

She can pronounce 'anemone', 'stethoscope' and 'triceratops' perfectly*
and her mother loves science so that may be where she ends up.

However seeing her playing her new drumkit at 7am today, I shall be gutted if she's not the next Keith Moon (sans crippling depression and addiction problems, I hope).

*not bad for 2 and a half, I reckon.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:14, Reply)

All I wish for, Monty
Is for her to be happy, healthy, and be able to spell 'Beauty'.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:18, Reply)

And 'lose'.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:19, Reply)

I don't get it

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:23, Reply)

That'll be the chins - they're offputting.

Actually I didn't notice I'd misspelled beauty, I just hate people putting 'loose' when they mean 'lose'.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:27, Reply)

I find it painful, but my mrs does that
I have to forgive her though because she has really nice tits
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:29, Reply)

Really nice tits can make up for an awful lot

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:32, Reply)

Fenetix, innit
And yes, that was deliberate.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:31, Reply)

I fucking love Finding Nemo

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:09, Reply)

Not their best work, imho
Ratatouille is. Also The Incredibles, Wall-E, Up, Monsters Inc and Toy Story 1 & 2 (haven't seen 3, to my eternal shame) are better than Nemo, all of which goes to show how bloody good Pixar are.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:14, Reply)

I've not seen Ratatouille, Wall-E or Toy Story 3
The Incredibles is my favourite one of them, but Up is absolutely superb as well.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:21, Reply)

First ten minutes of Up made me cry
and I feel absolutely no shame admitting to this in a public forum
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:25, Reply)

you are such a homo

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:27, Reply)

om er
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:32, Reply)

I know several people who are the same, it's fucking gutting

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:28, Reply)

I welled up a bit
but crushed that surge of emotion down and locked it away deep inside, for I am a man.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:55, Reply)

Me too.
Then again I sobbed at Same Time Next Year.

www.imdb.com/title/tt0078199/plotsummary for anyone interested.
(porkylips looks better as the sun goes down., Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:26, Reply)

Ratatouille is surprisingly good
and Toy Story 3 is very good too. I'd forgotten how good the first two were before I saw it.

Not watched Wall-E yet, but may do so this weekend
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:26, Reply)

Wall.e is probably the best one imo.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:35, Reply)

my mrs watched it the other day while off work ill and really enjoyed it
I've had it sat on my computer for over a year and not got round to watching it.

have you seen 9?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:40, Reply)

yes, I love it!
took me a couple of watches to really appreciate it but it's brilliant.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:55, Reply)

You're wrong it's absolutely terrible.
The original short on which it is based was fantastic, but it has been completely butchered. The characters were given voices, which watered down the intruigue into them, and the best thing about them was little contraptions, which were almost non existant in the full length.
(TheColonel, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:06, Reply)

Ratatouille is brilliant because it's just so joyful
I couldn't stop smiling all the way through it. The last film that did that to me was Amelie, both of which are set in Paris. Makes no sense, I've been to Paris and it's full of French people
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:40, Reply)

nding Nemo ddling with kids
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:16, Reply)

Well, that too.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:20, Reply)

*dons sensible hat*
There is rarely a time where it is fruitful to decide what a child should or shouldn't like. You will ultimately end up disappointed because peers and society shape personality and interest to such a large extent your opionion won't make that much difference. Sucks but it's true.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:01, Reply)

Besides, they all grow up to be soul-sucking mental harridans anyway ;)

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:03, Reply)

Hell yeah! : )

( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:03, Reply)

I actually have no reason to believe this
My soul is remarkably intact, and any mentalism i've experienced as a result of my brief encounters with women has been trivial compared to some.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:05, Reply)

You've still got time to hook up with some yet.

( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:08, Reply)

So have you, Missy

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:08, Reply)

God I hope not : (

( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:10, Reply)

Alright, I'll let you hook up with guys instead then
Ok?
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:11, Reply)

I did have a lesbo encounter in my dream last night.
It was a zombie apocolypse too. 8/10 Would dream again.
( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:14, Reply)

Awesome dream!
I barely slept last night, probably got 4 hours of broken sleep. If this insomnia continues I might become Tyler Durden.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:19, Reply)

I had a couple of beers before bed last night
seemed to do the trick. I woke a couple of times, deliberately didn't look at the clock and managed to get a pretty good sleep.

thank fuck.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:25, Reply)

I'll give it a shot tonight

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:26, Reply)

it's worth a shot
even if you end up with a mild hangover it is infinitely preferrable to another night without sleep
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:28, Reply)

have you stopped smoking? I am trying to cut down and it's messing with my sleep pattern.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:32, Reply)

I've not been smoking spliffs while I'm away from home
which doesn't help, but I've been having trouble sleeping for the last week in spite of smoking weed.

Hopefully I've cracked the cycle now

I can recommend valerian tincture if you are having real trouble sleeping without smoking.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:35, Reply)

Do I eat it, drink it, master it?
fuck it I'll google it.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:37, Reply)

you stick about half a pipette full in your gob
swill it around then swallow it. it tastes foul, but they call it nature's valium.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:39, Reply)

Is it the kind of product I can get at a Holland & Barretts type place
or internet supplied?
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:41, Reply)

I would've thought you could get it at Holland & Barrett
I got it at Beanfreaks in Cardiff recently, but that was because I happened to be in Cardiff and that was the place where the crazy herbal remedy guy recommended it to me.

I'll have a quick look online and see whether you can find the right stuff on the high street.

edit: not quite what I use, but will probably do the job
www.hollandandbarrett.com/pages/product_detail.asp?pid=261&prodid=24

edit2: this is what I use
www.healthstore.uk.com/p449457/swiss-herbal-remedies-valerian-tincture-50ml.html
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:44, Reply)

thanks very much
I'll get some.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:55, Reply)

*shakes head sadly*

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:19, Reply)

Better Zombie mad than a Disney dolly dimple.

( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:25, Reply)

Unless it's a beautiful crossover of the two.
Disney does zombies
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:32, Reply)

Unless you Fritzl 'em.

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:05, Reply)

Bah.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:05, Reply)

Your daughters around 3 or 4 isn't she MB?
She won't have built enough context yet to really distinguish between masculine and feminine toys. It starts to get hammered in when they go to school and spend several hours with other girls. The majority of whom will have that shit shovelled down their throats. I wouldn't worry about it just yet. Although you could try and ensure she plays with what you deem are appropriate toys it prob won't make much difference.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:11, Reply)

There are "masculine" and "feminine" toys?
*raises eyebrow*
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:16, Reply)

you know what I mean.
Congrats on the wedding and stuff. Is it all bliss these days?
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:17, Reply)

I'm in a different country from my new husband for ten days.
On the upside, it means I won't get murdered on honeymoon.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:18, Reply)

It does seem to be a recurring theme for newlyweds at the mo.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:21, Reply)

Poor Micky Harte.

(Zoz prayed for twink on, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:38, Reply)

I know. I would hate to be famous and suffering the loss of a child.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:42, Reply)

The Grateful Dead percussionist?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:58, Reply)

Gaelic football coach and popular figure in Ireland. It was his girl who was strangled then dumped in the
bath on her honeymoon earlier in the week.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:01, Reply)

Two and a half.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:22, Reply)

A good friend of mine is massively Disney obsessed
particularly in the princesses and like Darth's sister is intelligent and successful. Before firing out a sprog she was a regional manager for one of the big banks. She also loves a smoke, is a great cook, plays a mean flute and sax and is rather hot.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:11, Reply)

fucking marry her then!
morning btw.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:12, Reply)

she's married to one of my very good friends
morning chum. how's it going?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:14, Reply)

not bad not bad, I have a new nephew as of 2am today. He looks like a goblin.
On a positive note I am getting all my hair chopped off after two years of avoiding the hair dresser.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:15, Reply)

congratulations on being related to someone who has had a baby ;-)
what style did are you going for?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:20, Reply)

I'm going for the shaggy jack black thing I posted last night. It is easy to manage and not corporate.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:21, Reply)

good lad
I definitely prefer having my hair that sort of length.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:24, Reply)

You're certainly fat enough to pull it off.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:24, Reply)

I'm still bigger than he is. But not for much longer.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:26, Reply)

I'm just teasing.
I am thinking of a haircut myself. I can't decide if this is a terrible idea though.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:36, Reply)

thinking of getting it cut short?
in my experience it's a good idea, but I was a fat young meatloaf looking chap, so it was for the best
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:38, Reply)

I couldn't go 'proper' short
as all my clothes would look (even more) ridiculous. I was thinking:

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:43, Reply)

I reckon you should go for
This.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:47, Reply)

I could have a Billy Ray Cyrus epic mullet
That's actually a fucking great idea.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:48, Reply)

you are steve dayman and I claim my five pounds

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:48, Reply)

Who?
Google tells me he's something to do with the Meningitis Trust?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:54, Reply)

that's his dad ,Steve Dayman MBE. He is my friend, when I posted that I was getting a hair cut
he sent me exactly the same Pat Sharp pic. Tbh it was more a joke for me.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:57, Reply)

this reminds me
a friend of my brother is a buyer for tv shows and stuff. she was partly responsible for all the stuff on Fun House.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:50, Reply)

That's slightly worse
than being the 'plumber' at Auschwitz.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:51, Reply)

I would have loved to go on Fun House
And have a go on those twins too.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:51, Reply)

'fun bags'

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:05, Reply)

AWESOME
you'll look like Noel Fielding.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:54, Reply)

Ah. That's that idea put to bed, then.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:05, Reply)

I think I am the only fattyboombatty that doesn't mind fat jokes.
I get that it's funny. I'm still unsure but I want to make a good impression on my Block School Experience and my hair is now very long.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:38, Reply)

You're crying on the inside Bobby.
It's what we all do.
( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:42, Reply)

That's not crying, it's 'rendering' because the heating's on.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:44, Reply)

excellent

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:50, Reply)

Awww blousie I'm fine thanks. It;s shifting so it's just a matter of perserverance and discipline now.
Plus I think I'm finally grown up enough to pull this off. Has your scorched arse recovered?
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:45, Reply)

It is a terrible idea
You'll miss it dreadfully. (Trust me, I had mine trimmed just before christmas and now I can't wait for it to grow back)
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:45, Reply)

It does need to grow back a bit, yours. Just saying.
Not saying anything you don't already know, old boy.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:47, Reply)

Noooooooooooooo!
You'll lose all your power of rendering me speechless and giggly.
( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:19, Reply)

Good news. I hate haircuts.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:26, Reply)

She'll just drool at you now

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:30, Reply)

NO BAD IDEA BAD IDEA BAD IDEA

( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:32, Reply)

Yessssss

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:36, Reply)

If the girl from upstairs looks the sort who might wear Winnie the Pooh clothing in adulthood then you are legitimately obliged to have her sterilised.

( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:15, Reply)

legitimately obliged?

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:21, Reply)

Win your own arguments

(PsychoChomp, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:22, Reply)

Oh I do.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:37, Reply)

My little sis was obsessed with Playboy stuff in her teens.
Thankfully she grew out of it. Now she's a tattooed freak like me.
( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:23, Reply)

Eugh, Playboy stuff being marketed to young teens is fucking creepy.

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:25, Reply)

Oh christ on a bike, this
Because what all those paranoid, insecure girls need in their life is a brand which tells them they might as well put on some rabbit ears and jump into bed with Hugh Hefner...
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:32, Reply)

She does prefer older men. *laughs*

( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:35, Reply)

You're not making this any less creepy...

(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:40, Reply)

She's just mature for her age, (21 in Feb), and finds guys her age shallow and boring.

( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:41, Reply)

Speaking as a man a few years older than your sister
I can assure her we continue to be shallow and boring for quite some time.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:43, Reply)

I still am
But am far too old for her.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:47, Reply)

Joking aside, there does seem to be a world of difference between the early and mid 20s
I'm currently in a band with two 21-year old guitarists and a 19-year old drummer. They're nice guys and all but I do feel like I'm playing with a bunch of kids sometimes. _{...and that wasn't meant to sound quite as incriminiating as it now does...}
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:56, Reply)

You do seem older than your years.
But I think that's more how you act. You seem to carry yourself with an air of authority and standing.


giggles.
( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:57, Reply)

Her last boyfriend was 40.

( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:58, Reply)

My last girlfriend's 23
And that felt a bit young at times.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:05, Reply)

I can say nothing on this subject, currently.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:24, Reply)

My own sister quite demonstrably didn't love that stuff.
Various well-meaning relatives did buy her dolls and other gifts in the Barbie/Disney princess vein, but these seemed to end up gathering dust in favour of things with puppies and kitties on _{which meant the dolls got left in my charge and this is why I turned out to be such a rampant, screaming, effete bumder today}, or occasionally dinosaurs, which as everybody knows would be the best of all the animals if the horses hadn't conspired to render them extinct.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:28, Reply)

I was still playing with dolls till around 13/14.
But this did consist of putting pins in them punk style and cutting off all their hair.
( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:39, Reply)

I think LittleSisterCrow went through a similar phase
I have vague memories of stumbling across some Barbie-type monstrosity that had had half its face melted.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:42, Reply)

I used to bury my action figures in the garden and my dad would constantly be bringing
muddy he man and thunder cat action figures back in. It was only when I got into the turtles that I started to cherish the toys more.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:43, Reply)

They were a pretty good band.
'I'm King Kamanawanalaya' is a fucking tune. One of the best breakbeats ever.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:45, Reply)

sorry mate, I meant the ninja ones.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:47, Reply)

Ah.
As a drummer you should check that track out.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:00, Reply)

It's added to my diary. I will report back after work.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:02, Reply)

It's been sampled to death.
Really nice 'tribal' beat. Lots of toms.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:12, Reply)

my niece is a real little tomboy
but she still loves disney princesses. so do all her friends. and for her fourth birthday party, what they really wanted to do was make their own princess crowns with sticky jewels etc. little girls have fantasised about being disney princesses since about 1930. they grow out of it soon enough!

but if they don't like it, that's perfectly normal too. the main thing is this: NEITHER PARENT CAN TELL THE CHILD WHAT TO LIKE - THEY WILL HAVE THEIR OWN BUILT-IN TASTES AND PREFERENCES AND NOTHING WILL CHANGE THEM!!!

this being said, i did read somewhere that disney is moving away from snow white and cinders in favour of more down-to-earth heroines like the cowgirl from "toy story".
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:51, Reply)

You wanted a crown too, didn't you?
How's the head?
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:56, Reply)

i ended up making one for the spak-handed child who couldn't do it
ouch, last night is a bit of a blur. my flatmate told me that i was crashing around the kitchen like a 3-ring circus and i also seem to have left on every light in the flat (which i never do because of the stupid high ceilings), sent a regrettable text or two, and posted an alarming amount of shite on here. for once it was spelled correctly though, so i can't have been THAT drunk!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:01, Reply)

It was certainly noticeable you'd had a drink or two, haha.
I had a few drinks last night, they've just left me tired today, no headache though, which can only be a good thing.

How much did you have?
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:05, Reply)

no idea
the silver fox just kept bringing vodkas on ice. urrrgh.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:15, Reply)

Night with an older gent then?

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:15, Reply)

*says nothing*



*because I wasn't there*
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:35, Reply)

you were in my dreams, monty

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:37, Reply)

They're called 'nightmares'

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:40, Reply)

If you'd seen the things she was writing on here last night, you'd likely feel a little smug you were in her dreams.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:52, Reply)

he is the restaurant owner!

( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:36, Reply)

Ahh, fair enough then, haha

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:44, Reply)

I did desperately want to be the little mermaid from the ages of about 3 to 6
And I enjoyed all the disney films but I was very much not in to pink or princesses or any of that shit. On the other hand, I know/have known a number of little girls who were, despite their parents best efforts to discourage it. If she turns out to be one of those girls I think you'll just have to put up with it, she'll only resent it if you won't let her play with her favourite stuff. Best thing to do is probably what you're doing, having other, classier stuff for her to play with at yours and hope she doesn't get too fond of the stuff at her mums.
(berk, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:55, Reply)

Not ALL little girls.
I preferred playing libraries, and if there was a Disney character I emulated it would have either been Tigger or a pre-transformation Cinderella - the typical scouse leaning toward glorified misery.

I had a terrible row with the women at work a few years ago. I simply said that I wouldn't take any hypothetical offspring to Disneyworld. They got pretty rabid in their defense. They did the usual "WHEN you're a parent..." and "When you see their little faces light up..."
Balls. I was of the generation where everyone was off to Disney but 1) I had no desire to go and 2) We couldn't have afforded it anyway.

Balls!
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:56, Reply)

As a mother...

(PsychoChomp, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 9:57, Reply)

I was told that it's cruel NOT to take them
and "Wait til they start pestering. How do you say no?"
Er, I'm assuming I'd either develop some parenting skills or starve to death because I've handed over the contents of my bank account so my children can go and buy heroin.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:01, Reply)

Yeah, parent's are fucking stupid
Still have enough kids and the child benifit will pay for the trip.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:02, Reply)

You need one with a disability, for the big bucks.
I hear severe ADHD isn't bad, or at worst, accept financial assistance for a bed-wetter. it's not much, but it buys a few bottles of Lambrini.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:05, Reply)

I'm still amused that people think Lambrini is wine

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:06, Reply)

When actually it's a dinosaur.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:08, Reply)

it's a singer

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:09, Reply)

A greek woman that Tourettes knew in Kos was called Lambrini.

( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:15, Reply)

Haha, superb!

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:16, Reply)

It would be fun just for the over the top campness and sheer merkin sicklyness shurly.

( girlinthehole, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:00, Reply)

I have nightmares about that Small World ride and I've never even been

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:01, Reply)

Tbh, Disney wasn't the best part of being there. Universal Studios and Sea World were better.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:04, Reply)

I'm not one for theme parks anyway
I mean for a day trip they're ok but I couldn't imagine a holiday centred around things like that.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:10, Reply)

Plus, they're just inferior to Alton Towers.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:12, Reply)

Southport Pleasureland

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:13, Reply)

Once upon a time, aye
It's no Camelot though.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:16, Reply)

Frontier land!

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:20, Reply)

Never went there, went to Gulliver's World instead!

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:31, Reply)

I went there too, it was boss
In 1989.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:43, Reply)

We went to Florida when I was 9
I remember the place being magical, but the queues were so long half the time, you can't really enjoy it too much.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:03, Reply)

In summary, yes!
My little 'un loves her Disney princesses and all that bollocks but also loves the boy's toolkit and cars and stuff. They always end up playing with each others toys (please no strikethroughs!)

I have introduced them to Duplo and at some stately occasion will relinquish my Lego from the loft. I may actually weep at some point on this momentous day
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:13, Reply)

And dont get your hair cut

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:19, Reply)

I need to hear this advice. Thanks old chap.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:23, Reply)

Crazy ninja is the way forward!

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:24, Reply)

Never a truer word said.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:31, Reply)

I do miss my ninja haired days!

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:36, Reply)

I don't know,
but I grew up loving The Little Mermaid, and saw Pocohontas in Hollywood when it came out (no, not a special trip though) and I've grown up to be the well-adjusted person you see now -twitches-

Though, when I was about 4 or 5, I wasn't at school full-time, so my mum got a book of children's science experiements and worked through them with me. I did science as a hobby up until I started school. I guess I had Disney and Science, and one stuck more than the other.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:31, Reply)

Where my father lives
is where the real Pocohontas lived. There's a statue of her with open hands and one of them is all shiny* where people have had their picture taken holding it, the pathetic cunts. There's quite a lot of decent archaeology round there. I really want to go back now I'm thinking about it.

As you were.

*Have I ever told you my similar observation about Transylvanian horse testicles?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:32, Reply)

Archaeology has never really appealed. I was forever put off by one of my books saying along the lines of
"So you want to be an archaeologist? Get a large rock, and a large hammer, and a lot of glue. Smash the rock into tiny pieces. Glue it all back together perfectly. NOW you have the skill and concentration needed"

Fuck that shit.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:35, Reply)

My uncle is an archaeologist.
He advised me against it as a career when I was about 12.

Twenty years of pulling pot sherds out of muddy holes and another twenty cataloguing them. No thanks.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:39, Reply)

After witnessing my mother's life, I'm never being a teacher.

( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:40, Reply)

Conversely, seeing the six months off a year my father had,
I have seriously considered it.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:42, Reply)

No.
Teaching is hard. All that planning and marking and conforming to stupid regulations? It can fuck off. A good percentage of the people I went to uni with went in to teaching, and seeing the amount of work they do, it's not something I would ever willingly consider.
(berk, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:56, Reply)

This.
My mum teaches from 9 to 4, but she'll stay on until 6 at school and often do 3 more hours of work a day at home, and work over the weekends. She works through the holidays, too.
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:00, Reply)

All this is true but you get to spend all day with kids which is ace.
better than being in an office with a bunch of cunts.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:09, Reply)

Pffft!
I quite like that but it sounds mega disheartening. If I thought archaeology was like you see on tv/films etc, I'd do it, but I suspect it really isn't.
(berk, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:41, Reply)

'it's definitely Bronze Age, Tony'

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:42, Reply)

My flatmate's essay title is "To what extent does the Indiana Jones franchise of films accurately portray archaeology in America in the mid 20th century?"
...
( Lampito rise with the moon, go to bed with the sun, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:44, Reply)

Is the answer "not a lot"
I've got a few mates who are archeologists, basically a lot of digging and then even more paperwork.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:55, Reply)

If my girlfriend...
Wanted me to dress up like price charming and then play with her pumpkin while she valiantly indulged in some sword swallowing I would have absolutely no problem with this. I would also happily go over to the dark side too.
(The Archduke of South London I'm in your Girlfriend eating her organs, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:36, Reply)

Katie Price charming?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:40, Reply)

Again?
Yeah, probably. But I must admit I'm getting bored of pretending to be the horse that's pulling the carriage.
(The Archduke of South London I'm in your Girlfriend eating her organs, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:52, Reply)

aka 'Peter Andre'

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:00, Reply)

I didn't love the DISNEY princesses as such, but I had a massive book full of the original grimm fairytales.
and I loved it. I still read it sometimes.
And, I love jewellery - I'm currently wearing three rings, six earrings, my belly bar, a bracelet and a watch, but I don't really wear any makeup unless it's a special occasion.

I'd say it's only true to the degree that which people are exposed to it, my parents basically let me choose what I like. I chose books more then I chose princesses.
(Poppet some assembly required., Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:43, Reply)

Hello there
I owe you a gaz reply but effectively the time proposed is too early for me what with my job, I'm afraid.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:46, Reply)

damn. that's rubbish.

(Poppet some assembly required., Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:50, Reply)

OK I have more thoughts on this.
Many people here have said 'you can’t force your tastes on your kids' etc – so why the fuck is it considered perfectly alright to stop your children from having toy guns and soldiers etc? My brother went to buy some toy soldiers for a friend’s son recently and was told there was no call for them any more as people didn’t approve.

Why is pretending to being a heroic professional soldier in defence of your country a bad thing, whereas playing at being a tiara-sporting vacuous twat who does sod all for anyone acceptable?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:54, Reply)

Man it's like parents don't all think the same way
someone should look into that, that's going to cause loads of problems.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:57, Reply)

I wouldn't say Darth is THAT vacuous.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 10:58, Reply)

POTD

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:00, Reply)

My brothers and sisters and I were never allowed to play with toy guns/soldiers or Barbie dolls.
:(
(Poppet some assembly required., Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:00, Reply)

To be fair, I wouldn't allow my hypothetical sons to play with Barbie dolls....

(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:10, Reply)

well they'd already be a bit limp-wristed if they were your sons.
it's funny because I'm insinuating your bumderness would be passed on to your hypothetical sons.
(Poppet some assembly required., Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:16, Reply)

I wouldn't rule it out - there has been some suggestion that a tendency toward homosexual behaviour is heritable
Although I use the word "hypothetical" with good reason as that whole filthy process would involve fornication with something female.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:20, Reply)

I have no problems with kids playing with toy guns or soldiers
I reckon a vocal minority of parents suddenly think they're experts as soon as they pop a sprog out. They might read some equally opinionated mother's magazine article about 'violent or competitive' activities leading to the raising of sociopaths, and suddenly little Jacob Edward Bieber Smith finds himself unable to play with anything more dangerous than a Fair Trade carbon neutral hula hoop.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:00, Reply)

My brother and I had almost exclusively military toys
in fucking enormous quantities and we turned out alr...err, hang on.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:02, Reply)

I had cars, plastic swords
Bow and arrow sets and a frickin' castle. My Dad and I 'stormed' Kenilworth castle once, hence it's a ruin now.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:03, Reply)

We had toy soldiers in their multiple thousands and had long running campaign games.
Toy guns, toy swords, Airfix tanks and planes, book after book of military guides to tanks etc, Commando and Warlord comics......
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:08, Reply)

I had books on medieval warfare
My favourite book pretty much cataloged all weapons from the Bronze Age up to the Vietnam war. It also showed how to make punji pits and pendulum traps, along with other things I recreated in the neighbouring orchard.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:11, Reply)

If you haven't already watch Deadliest Warrior on Bravo.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:12, Reply)

Can't get Bravo, or any tv signal at all
But have seen a couple, looked cool.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:14, Reply)

They had the Viet Kong versus the SS or something
and the Kongs special weapon was the Punji Pit.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:16, Reply)

That sounds like my kind of book.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:13, Reply)

I might still have it at my parents' house
I want to read it now.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:14, Reply)

Oh I've 'had it at your parents house' lots of times.
She's quite the filthy old minx, your ma.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:16, Reply)

Did you and Vipros Eiffel Tower her?

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:18, Reply)

Me, Vipros and your dad did things to your mum
that you probably see in your line of work all the time, but I for one would never have believed anatomically possible if I hadn't seen it first hand.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:24, Reply)

Considering how fat my Dad is
I'm surprised you could get the angles to work.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:25, Reply)

He was on 'teabag duty'

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:31, Reply)

It's because violence towards other people is bad
but emulating unreasonably proportioned plastic in the image of anthropomorphised creatures, originally perpetrated for grooming purposes by a child abuser ALLEGEDLY, is fine. After all, we all know how violent nature isn't.

I hope this explains things for you.
( Kroney, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:01, Reply)

Great, thanks.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:06, Reply)

Because ultimately everyone is scared of being judged yet most people
are too fucking scared to admit they don't know the rules and just plod along being a sheep. No one thinks anymore.
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:04, Reply)

It's an interesting dichotomy
It's easier to condemn kids playing with toy guns as guns are used to kill living things and therefore represent violence, and we don't want our beloved progeny to grow up to be murderous thugs (generally). It's much harder to condemn tiara-sporting vacuous twats as they are, at least on the surface, harmless. This is also a much more difficult distinction to explain to a child.

And whilst people on here have a good point in saying "you can't force your tastes on your kids," I think it would be fairer to say "you ideally shouldn't." Because we all do it, however unwillingly.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:08, Reply)

Speak for yourself, pinko

( Kroney, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:12, Reply)

If I think my daughter's toys are vulgar plastic shite I will (and do) say so.
How else are you supposed to learn taste? It's no different from learning spelling etc to my mind. My parents were as merciless in their criticism of vulgarity as they were of poor spelling and grammar and it's made me the supercilious snob I am today. I am eternally grateful to them for this.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:12, Reply)

She is your daughter and as such deserves your input. (After all, you don't want her to turn into her mother...)
To say "they fuck you up, your mum and dad," is perhaps a rather cynical view of an important truth, which is that you will play an important role in shaping her personality. I'm quite glad of the way my own parents shaped me - sure, I've got my own set of problems and neuroses _{and massively benderish tendencies}, but they could have done a lot worse than they did. Just remember, she's your daughter, and it's your duty to fuck her up until she's the person you want her to be. After all, every parent wants to be proud of their child, and it would be much harder to be proud of a vacuous, tiara-sporting commoner.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 11:18, Reply)

Yeah it's true.
Your sister really IS a dyke.
( stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Wed 12 Jan 2011, 12:12, Reply)

i rebelled against the princess stuff myself from quite a young age.
if she like it, she likes it. doesn't mean she can't like other stuff tooo
( sleepybinky, Wed 12 Jan 2011, 13:26, Reply)