Slipping standards
I am concerned about the level of education of some of the teachers at my son's school. Some examples:
- Pronouncing the letter "H" as Haitch
- Pronouncing the word "New" as Noo (in the context of learning about the "ew" sound!)
- Using the incorrect spelling of "practice"
- Incorrect apostrophe use for posessive noun: it's'

Why are infant school teachers so thick? You may widen this to include your other Mail-reader views on precisely why this country is going to the dogs.

Alt: You have been granted Academy status. What is on the curriculum at YOUR school?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:09, 122 replies, latest was 14 years ago)

Sympathy reply

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:15, Reply)

Alt:
Philosophy, politics and sex ed. from the age of 5 onwards, all the usual subjects and rather less sport methinks.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:16, Reply)

But where would the thick kids bully the weedy kids?
Or is that why you don't want sport?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:18, Reply)

I think more sports, and actually make the kids get breathless and sweaty
so they are such fat cunts.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:20, Reply)

But on the other hand
encourage people to do things for fun, not so competatively.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:20, Reply)

This is kind of my point really.
all maaking me play football as a kid did was make me hate foot ball. I'm always surprised these days when I enjoy anything physical.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:22, Reply)

Does it turn you on more when they are all breathless and sweaty?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:20, Reply)

I was just thinking that all sport at achool gave me was a lasting distaste for sport
It's not made me any fitter as an adult, if anything the reverse. I agree the aim is laudable, so maybe it's just the practice that needs to change.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:21, Reply)

*shrugs* You're asking the wrong man
I spent PE lessons skiving off in the music block.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:26, Reply)

Yes, but you're atypical.
A lot of people develop a love for sport at a young age, which they carry through to later life.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:26, Reply)

Yes, but does forcing people into it create that?
I tend to think not, better to make it voluntary, fuck it I'd have been happier on a tread mill and have gotten more excersize. anyway this is my school, you can do it different in yours.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:28, Reply)

All the kids in my school
are gonna come over to yours, beat the shit out of your kids and spray "Mr Q gets his information from the tattoos around his mothers rectum" on the walls.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:34, Reply)

Quite likely.
But ours will be the moral victory, oh yes.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:39, Reply)

I had another Haitch discussion with my nana on Sunday.
She is appalled. Apparently schools were told to teach this to kids in the 80s to make the say their aitches. They still don't, except when saying the word 'aitch'. They even say it on TV all the time now. Haitch Dee my arse!
*EXPLODES*
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:17, Reply)

I'd heard that too, but this doesn't alter the facts that:
a) It didn't work
b) It is BLOODY WRONG!
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:19, Reply)

Now now Roota, language is constantly evolving and....
Bollocks I can't fake that shit even for a wind up. Crucify the bastards.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:19, Reply)

Habsolutely!
It's Happalling. 'Orrible, even.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:21, Reply)

Hi hlike hthis

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:26, Reply)

I read this in the style of one of the Redwall Hare.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:47, Reply)

The country is "going to the dogs" because:
Drugs are not legal or licensed for recreational use. Leading to higher than necessary levels of petty crime.

Educational standards are falling.

Parental standards are low. You should have to sit an IQ test before being allowed to breed.

Our economy is likely to be on the floor for the next decade.

Ignorance. In all forms and about all things.

Scare-mongering by the Daily Mail and other media.


Most importantly because I am not Prime Minister.
( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:21, Reply)

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( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:22, Reply)

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( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:25, Reply)

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( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:27, Reply)

^this

( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:29, Reply)

It's not giving me the option when I go to update my profile. Still says I need to donate.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:32, Reply)

GAZ THE MODS!!!

( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:33, Reply)

Did you donate via paypal or bank transfer?

(Bazongaloid, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:34, Reply)

Paypal.

( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:35, Reply)

Do you suspect a Nigerian prince is now 50p richer than a week ago?

( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:36, Reply)

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( Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:37, Reply)

My public school curriculum.
The 3 b's, beatings, buggery and bad food. I managed to miss out on one of them, thankfully.
(Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:22, Reply)

You forgot "Bigotry"

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:25, Reply)

*spits water on screen*

(Bazongaloid, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:26, Reply)

I've never been good at football
But even I can score in an open goal.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:29, Reply)

Funnily enough,
I was looking at an old school photo a while back. There were about 3 black kids there, and they were all made to stand together.
(Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:28, Reply)

Made to?
Or were standing together so they could watch each other's backs against the bigots in their school?
(Bazongaloid, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:31, Reply)

Yeah, point taken.
A teacher was reading some shite at assembly, think it was something Churchill said, and when he used the quote "work like a nigger", the whole school turned at looked at the kids, who funnily enough were sitting together there.
(Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:40, Reply)

Yes much nicer to have packed lunches, don't you think.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:25, Reply)

That was my next line,
you fucker.
(Bear Pookie The Frankly Challenged. Halloween is coming to town., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:26, Reply)

Well somebody had to.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:38, Reply)

Alt: Latin and History both compulsory until 6th form.
I'd also have Sex Education taught in year 6, rather than year 10, when our school taught it.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:23, Reply)

Year 10?
We'd had our first teenage pregnancy by 4th year...
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:24, Reply)

That's year 10
Our first and second were both year 11/5th year.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:29, Reply)

I know year 10 is 4th year
But I couldn't say we'd had our first teenage pregnancy by year 10, because back in the middle ages, we called taht 4th year.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:33, Reply)

Haha, at Merchants they were the same, but after I swapped to a worse school, I just became used to calling it that

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:33, Reply)

I think they changed over around about the time I was in the sixth form
but it was still a geological age ago.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:37, Reply)

Now, was that before or after O Levels changed?

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:37, Reply)

After.
We were the third yeargroup to do GCSEs.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:41, Reply)

The only change along those lines that I know about is that I was in the last year that was allowed to takes notes into your English exam
As long as they were only notes, and not full sentences.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:45, Reply)

The year below us were the first ones to do 100% coursework for maths.

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:46, Reply)

Split between exams and coursework for us
I didn't do any coursework for it, as a result my result wasn't quite as good as was expected of me. I really was a short sighted fucker.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:49, Reply)

I'd have it when they are too young to be interested in sex
then they wouldn't spend the whole lesson sniggering and might learn something.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:26, Reply)

And then start telling every woman they see that 'You have a vagina'

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:27, Reply)

wel, yes I know it breaks social conventions.
but they could be taught not to. My son picked up all sorts when he was just learning to speak from his grandmother, we got him to the point that just because he knows a word he doesn't have to use it, so it is possible.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:32, Reply)

If the worst thing you have to worry about is a small child saying a word like "vagina"
then you've got it pretty easy I reckon.

Also, you never responded to my last point about driving.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:37, Reply)

If they're listening to their grandmothers (or Monty)
they'll be more likely to use words like 'darky'.

My gran used to call us 'mucky arabs' when we had dirt on our faces. I hadn't realised it had stuck until I caught myself saying it to my dog when he came in covered in muck.

Oops.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:50, Reply)

Exactly, I think year 6 is a good time for this
I know a girl who lost her virginity in year 7, and I find that pretty fucked up, tbh.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:29, Reply)

Well that's the point?!

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:30, Reply)

I told her not to tell anyone!

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:32, Reply)

Year 6 is 11 isn't it?
a bit late I reckon, maybe a year or 2 younger to be on the safe side.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:37, Reply)

Yes

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:37, Reply)

I think the benchmark is when they start hitting puberty
so they know what to expect. A lot of girls are starting their periods these days at 10 or 11. I've had to sit in on a classroom discussion about girls of that age leaving towels on the floor of the school loos, because they weren't really sure what else to do with them.
That was an awkward afternoon.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:40, Reply)

I bet DJ never did it again though!

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:40, Reply)

hahahaha

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:42, Reply)

Children should be taught not to stop in shop doorways thus blocking the rest of us from entering or leaving.
It's fucking endemic.
( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:23, Reply)

Alt: Just English and maths, pe and art
with other subjects brought in as back up
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:24, Reply)

There is talk of scrapping IT as a subject as it is basically now in most by default

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:29, Reply)

That makes sense
I think it makes more sense to just teach children reading, writing and basic maths before they hit secondary school
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:33, Reply)

I agree
The fact that 12 year old kids cannot read and write these days is bizarre
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:39, Reply)

Yeah I think it's something
like a quarter of children are functionally illiterate at the age of 11 which is just worrying
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:41, Reply)

It must just be me but as a kid (and now) I cannot get enough of reading and learning
People who aren't interested in knowing things are weird
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:43, Reply)

are weird should be chopped up and fed to pigs.

Motivated kids and plenty of bacon = win-win.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:56, Reply)

Hmmmm, seems logical
Maybe feed a few to some cows too? More steak?

I second this motion
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:58, Reply)

Alt:
Common sense, manners, humility, work ethic.

/grumpy old bitch blog.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:26, Reply)

I dont think these CAN be taught, only learned
if that makes any sense
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:28, Reply)

I'm not sure, give an old school teacher a metre long wooden ruler, and a few hours.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:39, Reply)

I disagree
All that would do is make the kids be good around one teacher. I meant that you learn to respect people and good manners should be automatic. My kids know they wont get anything at all until they say please and thank you. I've always taught them this so they do it automatically 99% of the time now.

Next door's kid never says please or thank you and it sounds so rude in comparison
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:42, Reply)

Actual parenting FTW

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:44, Reply)

Damn right
If I do everything else wrong at least my mass murdering psycho offspring will say "Please may I cut off your head, fuck the hole and eat it?"

"Thank you"
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:49, Reply)

Good man
I've made a point of not doing anything for a friend of mine unless they say 'please' now, as it really annoys me when they don't.

She's 21.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:46, Reply)

Correct me if I'm wrong...
But aren't you currently "not gainfully employed"?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:28, Reply)

You are, indeed, wrong.
Sort of. I'm not employed, but I'm not unemployed either.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:29, Reply)

Fair enough
I'm sure you have a strong work ethic anyway, like the rest of us dossing around on b3ta during the day.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:32, Reply)

Well, I'm self employed
so it's up to me if I want to spend teh day doing shit all. But it means at the end of teh month I don't get paid, so I have to motivate myself to do SOME work, or I don't have any money.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:35, Reply)

It was more a dig at myself than at you.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:37, Reply)

Sorry, was I being defensive again?
I think we can spot the productive b3tans on any given day by the fact that they're not here.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:45, Reply)

I get *very* huffy about literacy.
They don't even try to teach children correct spelling and grammar in schools anymore.
( Kroney, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:52, Reply)

Apparently it's more important that they are able to express themselves
than whether or not they can spell/use an apostrophe.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:53, Reply)

Codified spelling and grammar were brought in originally
to help people make themselves more easily understood by others. Abandoning them for the same reason is retarded.
( Kroney, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:54, Reply)

I correct my kids on this all the time.
I dunned it Daddy
No, I have done it
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:54, Reply)

My sister had a pop at me for correcting her son.
He kept saying "Me want..." etc. So I corrected him and she told me not to. I said "Well if you want him to sound simple..."
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:57, Reply)

Then she is "fucking stupid" as the saying goes
God forbid she wants her kids to speak correctly
TARK PROPA MANNNNN
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:58, Reply)

Exactly!!
It's that misguided view of let them talk however they want and you can correct them later.

For now, we'll let them speak like Worzel fucking Gummidge.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:00, Reply)

Put your "cunt kicking" head on and do her

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:11, Reply)

Kick her in the cunt.
It's the only way she'll learn.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:00, Reply)

Bosh! One for Mum.
Bosh! One for son.

Everybody's a winner!
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:04, Reply)

Lesser spotted sensible answer:
The appropriate way to correct grammatical errors in speech in young children is to repeat what they have said, posed as a question using the words/grammar that they should have used.
You are fighting a losing battle if your sister does not speak correctly though.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:25, Reply)

Then you may kick her in the cunt.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:26, Reply)

I was forced to read the Mail on holiday last week as it was that or the Sun or the Mirror.
The other two are comics and whilst the content of the Mail sent me into apoplectic rage, the articles kept me busy for a few hours.

They were banging on about this shit all week. Did you know the following trufax:

GCSE A - C pass rates up 25% in 15 years.

Only 16.7% of kids take Maths, English x2, language, science and either history or geography. They call this the "academic" grouping of subjects.

If less than 17% of kids are doing this THEN WHAT THE FUCK ARE THE REST DOING?

On the upside, they turn out clueless 16 year old girls who believe I am a millionaire and won't cum in their mouths.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:53, Reply)

The last line gets a click from me!

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:54, Reply)

I really don't get why they're making such a big deal about getting that 17% to A* grade
and the whole lot of them to university, when they're patently not suited to academic work.

Then they moan that we don't have any tradesmen. So what happened to trade schools? Technical colleges? The 11 and 13 plus exams? Why not see what aptitudes the kids have, and teach them towards that instead? If the kids are interested in what they're learning, they're more likely to turn up and actually do some work.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:58, Reply)

Hear hear!

( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:00, Reply)

Because A levels and a degree are seen as the "best" education
and nowadays the attitude is that everybody should have access to the best learning regardless of actual ability. So universities are forced to accept retards and exams are reduced in difficulty to help this all along.

As a result, we now have significant labour shortages and utterly imbecilic youths with a string of academic qualifications who all think they're too good to train in well paid, skilled trades like plumbing.
( Kroney, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:01, Reply)

Little cunts.
National Service...mumble..thrashing..mumble..six of the best.

They REALLY DO think the world owes them a living.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:03, Reply)

You know what we need?
Streamed schools!!

Academic kids do academia, technically minded kids etc etc.

The current system leaves a big section from the middle to the bottom with absolutely fuck all to fall back on.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:02, Reply)

The German system is good taht way
They have grammar schools for teh academic ones, vocational schools for the technical ones, and generic high schools for the rest.

And they keep kids back a year if they don't reach certain standards. Some see it as a punishment, but it's more about making sure they're capable of tackling the next year's work.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:07, Reply)

There were flaws in this system when we last had it
The main one being that it is a little unfair to condemn someone to a particular life at age 11. It is hard to run a two-tier system without inequality.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:23, Reply)

Amen.

(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 17:07, Reply)

Why don't you try engaging with your arguments Freefair

(Bazongaloid, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 17:10, Reply)

Who?

(Glucose-Maximus All over the world., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 17:17, Reply)

the rest will be doing diplomas
they're foundation courses for thickees who can't do GCSEs
(Quinton had to abandon other account as i broke it, Wed 26 Oct 2011, 12:50, Reply)

What year are they in?
You shouldn't have to do this but if willing I can show you some good aids to get them up to speed. Gaz me
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:55, Reply)

As compared to bad aids?

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:57, Reply)

I should have written learning aids

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:01, Reply)

He's on about the teachers, not his kids.

( girlinthehole, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 14:59, Reply)

We're all cunts who hate children

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:13, Reply)

This is certainly true.

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:15, Reply)

Long answer is the foundation stage is flawed, learning through play can only work
If that play is structured and relevant to learning. Most schools don't do literacy and numeracy everyday and this is why my American reception class are far more advanced than my welsh yr 1 class last year. Group work now means the teacher may only have direct contact with your child three or four times a week and for about twenty minutes at a time. I could go on and on but need a wee
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:01, Reply)

Some of them also lack the ability to read questions properly
But I appreciate your gesture, thanks. Luckily my kid is supremely intelligent (must get it from his mother.)
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:21, Reply)

Ive just woken up and I did read it but decided to ignore the dull bits

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:24, Reply)

Fair enough, there were plenty of dull bits...

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:32, Reply)

I just wanna haitch-elp the yoovz

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Tue 25 Oct 2011, 15:46, Reply)