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Money saving.Share your tips for saving cash.
Alt: What do you waste money on? Apart from my mother.
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Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:20,
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I ensure that I do not get out of bed for less than £125k a year(
Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:22,
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Sit down and look at your accounts in detail once every three months.Try to buy things on card rather than cash (which helps when you're checking statements)
Slow cooking and freezing things is good.
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I got Mrs B to keep all her receipts for January, as did I.Put them all in a spread sheet this morning, broken down by subject.
It's scared the shit out of her. GOOD. £750 a month on food? Ridiculous.
I don't use credit cards.
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Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:24,
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She's not. It's all organic this, £30 leg of lamb from the posh butcher that etc. (
Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:27,
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Good job you are loaded then(
sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:28,
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You could buy a fucking sheep for £30(
sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:30,
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Probably get a non-fucking one for less than that.(
Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:32,
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Just move houseThis solves any excess spending issues
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:26,
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Is she ones of those people who buys a single banana on a tray from waitrose?(
wanderlust, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:27,
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A little bit.Not anymore though.
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Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:27,
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why would you put a banana on a tray? (
Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:36,
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Because the world's a cruel and fucked up place Winders :((
wanderlust, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:37,
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Because people are mental?4.bp.blogspot.com/_xN7bGcsuXn4/RtWjIQob-TI/AAAAAAAAAts/SW1v2ncN8No/s400/waste_bananas_450x340.jpg
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seems terribly wasteful. Although the new Costa over the way wanted 25p for a single apple. That's a lot for an apple.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:51,
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is this about me putting on a bit of weight recently? (
Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:59,
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If you see people buying individual bananasJust sing th Banana Splits theme tune to them.
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JeffTheDogFucker Can you dig it?, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:37,
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I'll tell my wife 'do you know we could rent a small pov hole in Milton Keynes for the same money we spend on food?'Yes. That'll do my argument a lot of good.
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Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:49,
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actually, it's about the same as my mortgage and all. Well, monthly payments.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:00,
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It's not far off mineand I think "We could have a 3 bed Georgian flat opposite the Botanic Gardens in Edinburgh for what you spend on food" might work better than the Milton Keynes line
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:10,
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Not a bad idea, until you compare to her parents place on Heriot Row.(
Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:16,
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actually a good tip for y'alldo your expenses, year ends are looming and you may find your company won't honor expenses from the "previous" year if you leave iit too late.
YOURE WELMCOMER
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:24,
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Save all 1p, 2p and 5p into a potNever take out any change and bag anything up for the bank as soon as you can.
Watch out for special offers on stuff you buy.
Use Nectar/Clubcards, etc.
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Beer
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:25,
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I only ever manage step one of this.(
tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:29,
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Money spent on good beer is not wastedshit beer is a different matter, though.
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don't have a shit and expensive hobby like collecting outdated musical recordings(
Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:26,
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:27,
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Dietingand giving up booze.
I never said they'd be tips you'd want to employ.
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no one wnats to employ your "tip"cos it's got AIDS innit
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:27,
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No, I'm not answer that one, sorryAlt: I've never wasted money on anything. Everything I've ever bought has served its purpose adequately.
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Two Hats 🎩🎩, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:28,
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I'm with you. Also, I'm in with with you.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:29,
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my account is empty about 2 days before payday every month. I put 100 a month a side in a high interest(ish) account in case shit gets fucked up. Enjoy the rest of my money. All this "you must budget properly and have savings" I have no time for. I pay in to a pension, I already own a house, seems a bit like a boring waste of time.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:28,
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I haz a pensionbut they wnat more of my money, more and more and more :(
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:29,
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you know you can just opt out and get a pension you like with a private pension provider right? My company one is shit so I don't bother with it. Well, I say it's shit, I have no idea, I've got a guy who does all my money stuff.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:31,
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nah that's not what i mean, they match up to 4% which is standard i thinkIf i do the calculations, on when i want to retire, and what i want my pension to be, then i need to pay in much more a month.
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:33,
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oh I see. Just plan to die sooner then.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:36,
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or work longerI reckon I'll end up retiring at 70
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:37,
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the general rule of thumb hereIs that the percentage you pay in to your pension should be half your age. And Winders, if your employer contributes to yours and your IFA advised you to opt out then that is bad advice.
Nakers- don't forget to factor in tax relief to your calculations, and bear in mind that lifestyling means that investment growth in the last five to ten years of your pension will be lower than expected growth prior to that.
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from what he showed me, I was getting a better deal going privately, He's back next week to sign all the bits for the remortgage, so I'll go through it again. But there was all sorts of health payments and stuff linked to my life insurance that I'll be honest I didn't understand.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:21,
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employer contributions is free money.The only time I'd say to opt out is if the scheme was NEST. It's shit.
If you aren't clear on stuff then gaz me and I'll clarify things.
Also for Nakers: your mortgage will be paid off by then so you need less income.
HTH xx
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sign up for the Lovefilm free trial, cancel a few days before the end of the 30 daysthey'll still charge you anyway, so submit a complaint on their website. it'll be refunded within a few days and they'll give you a £15 amazon voucher for the inconvenience
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Only buy things that you can afford to buy.I have never owned a credit card and the only debts I've ever had have been a mortgage and a student loan.
Alt: I don't waste money. Everything I buy is necessary. My wife on the other hand...
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:32,
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Whilst I can see the value in thisI love the people draw the distiction with a house. As in, "only buy what you can afford, except a house"
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:48,
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but renting feels so futile. I'd rather pay the same in a mortgage on my own property than just give it to someone else.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:55,
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Oh, absolutely.I'm not suggesting it's wrong, just that if you're going to play the "I never bought anything on credit because I want to save up and be able to afford it outright" card, why are houses excluded?
Might as well say "I'd never buy anything on credit except my house, my car, my telly and a sofa I liked but I didn't have £2K kicking around at the time" ... I fail to really see the distinction.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:01,
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I don't make the rules - when measuring debt levels, mortgages and student loans are not usually included.However, when we bought our house we borrowed less than it was worth at a rate we could afford to pay back.
Since then the value of the house has increased, as has our income, while the interest rates have vastly diminished.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:12,
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absolutely, I'm interested in why those who do make these rules exclude houses.I'm not having a go at you, I just really don't see the distinction. Yes, house values can increase, but they aren't guaranteed to. And all the "not counting" as debt in the world won't stop the bank taking it off you and raping your credit rating back to the stone age if you stop paying, so it's no different in reality to any other debt even if people want to pretend otherwise.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:15,
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I dunno badgeI guess it's because everyone has to pay for their accomodation one way or another.
My own experience of 'owning' a house is that it costs considerably less than renting one.
If I was renting right now I'd be paying two to three times more each month for something shitter.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:19,
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I know, but I think you're missing the point.Of course it makes financial sense, but it's still a debt, in the same way a credit card or a loan is a debt.
I'm not arguing against buying a house. I'm wondering why it is that some people cheerfully fail to see that as having a debt.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:23,
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I understand your point fully and I do regard my mortgage as a debt.I suppose to go back to my original post - only buy things you can afford - I bought a debt that I could afford to repay.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:27,
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I just got a sub 2.5% interest remortgage deal, without any stupid flopping about with current accounts or any other stupid crap. There's 100 quid a month back in my pocket. Can't do that with rent or a sofa.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:16,
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I'm not saying it's not financially clever.I'm saying a mortgage is the same as any other debt. It's a debt.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:21,
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I suppose the only way it's different is that if you need to pay it off, all you have to do is sell the house?(, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:23, Reply)
If you need to pay off the loan on anything else, you can sell that too.(
the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:23,
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Few other assets increase in value as quickly as property though.(
tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:27,
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valid point, but I'd argue there's still a lot of people in deep shit becuase they made that very assumptionand it turned out to not be true.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:31,
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fair enough, It is a debt, but as said above most other things that you do get in credit do not hold their value.
Cars are a prime example, depreciation is a bitch.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:32,
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This is very truebut, I'd argue assuming that your house will appreciate is dangerous, as a lot of people are currently discovering. They won't always.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:37,
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it's generally the case that borrowing to invest is a good thing.And it's pretty much impossible to save up the money to buy a house outright.
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I'm not saying it's a bad idea, dozerOf course it's better than renting. But it's bollocks to pretend it's not debt.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:18,
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well of course it's debtBut also investment. One of the few times when inflation is firmly on your side.
I'm remortgaging at the end of this year, and I'll be able to get it done on a commission basis. Either that, or just get on Trigold at work, find the best deal and go to the lender directly. Perks of working for an IFA, innit?
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I seem to waste a lot of money on reese's pieces and ginger beer(
glued eel /questions/questionsyoudliketoask/post1648081, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:33,
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We were given a bag of Reece's buttercups recentlyAll of us were sick as pikes. Vomit EVERYWHERE.
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Two Hats 🎩🎩, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:35,
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peanut lightweights(
glued eel /questions/questionsyoudliketoask/post1648081, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:36,
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I know :(Thing is, I'm such a munter that I ate more later on. I thought there was a chance it was something else making us sick...I was wrong.
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Two Hats 🎩🎩, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:38,
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Homebrew in your shed.Oh man if I had enough money for decent kit and a shed to put it in... man oh man the brews.
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what happens if you fancy a glass of wine though?(
Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:43,
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I see, and what if i have lady friend over and she wants a Baileys?(
Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:46,
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That undoes your good money saving work of making your own booze thiougfhj!(
Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:50,
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Sometimes you're so stupid it physically hurts me to respond to you.(, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:51, Reply)
I think he does it on purpose. (
Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:53,
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i don't which of these posts is more hurtful(
Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:54,
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buying something doesn't change that he saved money on the beer in the first place. Think about it.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:55,
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I know that, I'm just saying it's not full proof, because some twat will want a Kahula and creme menthe cocktail(
Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:58,
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BUT IT STILL DOESN'T STOP HOMEBREW SAVING HIM MONEY. As that person would ask for that whether he brewed his own beer or bought 24 cans of skol from aldi.
You're definitely doing this on purpose.
Also, fool proof.
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Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:13,
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Oh I know he does, but his way of trolling is just so thick, it goes full circle to me getting angry at his actual stupidity not his pretend stupidity.(, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:55, Reply)
does that mean you do think I'm stupid or not?(
Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:59,
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I bet you're doing jazz hands at your computer now. 30m away from the nearest network port.(, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:02, Reply)
I threw that wire away today, i couldn't think what else to do with it(
Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:04,
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Don't forget to cover it in jam first.(
tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:48,
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I intend to homebrew like a bastard once I get my man-shed(
sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:47,
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Sheds are awesome. I want a second one, but don't think I'll be allowed.(
Fucking hell Jeff I am not a robot, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:48,
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How do bastards homebrew?(
tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:48,
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I believe you can buy beer that has been created using fanny yeast..I'd have a look but don't want to at work
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:53,
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I can't imagine there being much of a market for that.(
b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:54,
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Like those vending machines in japan where you can buy used knickers?I really can't believe that's true.
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b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:58,
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It was an art project.but yeah it existed and the SPOILSPORTS decided it was unsafe for human consumption.
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Damn THE MANAlways raining on our fanny batter parade.
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b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:58,
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by this reasoning cunnilingus is leathal (
Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:00,
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Not once you've licked it clean(
sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:18,
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with their unmarried parents, it's a good way for the hell bound to bond(
Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:51,
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I intend toI need a shed first (and a new greenhouse)
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:11,
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Don't be Monty.Don't be b3th.
Alt: books, and diet Pepsi.
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b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:46,
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Cook in bulk, then freeze in portionsIf possible, freeze it in bags rather than pots, take up less room, and whilst not reusable, much cheaper.
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Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:47,
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+ and don't share your PIN with anyone, no matter how trustworthy they seem.(
tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:48,
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Closer to affluent than deprived, I'd say.(
Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:05,
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Jeffers is the only one on the money here.Earn more than you spend.
Alt: decent quality wine and gin. I probably spend too much on cars as well
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:50,
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Crumpets, like bumholes have the potential to be great/ac
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Two Hats 🎩🎩, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:54,
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I like butter and marmite on my crumpetalthough if I'm honest i prefer an English Muffin
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Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:56,
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I love crumpetsButter, cheese, marmite, anything really. They're nice with chocolate spread on them, but better if they're uncooked.
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Two Hats 🎩🎩, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:59,
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given they're cooked when you buy themhe's not only mad, he's some kind of motherfucking wizard or shit.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:02,
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*envolves*(
the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:05,
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Honestly, you try itDon't cook 'em, just whack a massive thick slab of Nutella on it. Fucking LAVVLY.
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Two Hats 🎩🎩, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:03,
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The big thick ones might be, surePlay it safe and get yourself a nice slim crumpet. A supermarket brand will be fine.
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Two Hats 🎩🎩, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:06,
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Only bothering with slim crumpetis sage advice generally, Hatsy.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:08,
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Problems arise when you marry the fuckers(
Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:12,
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this^A little doughy is never good
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:13,
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Nutella is fucking wonderful(
sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:07,
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yeah and it's made with nuts and milk, so you KNOW it's good for you(
Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:10,
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do they still do it in those little glass jars that make the sweetest little tumblers for guests to have orange juice in the morning after sleeping on your sofa? (
Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:17,
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I buy it "for the kids" in massive fuck off jars(
sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:19,
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I've still got a little Asterix glass that once contained NutellaMrs Hats bought it for me when she lived over there
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Two Hats 🎩🎩, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:28,
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You know what, this is going to sound quite pretentious but I don't care.I only really enjoy it if I'm in France eating it with French bread.
Before you could get Nutella in this country I used to eat it by the lorryload whenever we went on holiday.
I often would want to bring a jar home, but it was never the same once I got it back - it doesn't have the same gooey runnyness that it has in a warmer climate and ends up tearing English bread to bits.
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tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:25,
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i like them with salsa and cheese and jalapenoslike mini spicy pizzas but much lower calorie/fat
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rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:15,
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Crumpets with mature cheddar and Worcestereererererereershire sauceFT fucking W
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sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:17,
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Go onI'd be delighted for you to tell me how a crumpet has fewer calories and less fat than an equivalent sized pizza base.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:17,
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you muppetthe whole point is that it is NOT equivalent sized! so it's a small treat rather than a massive pizza!
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rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:19,
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i have silenced the badger with my ineffable logicthis is a Good Day.
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rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:23,
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So what you're saying here is you're eating less.you could just have a smaller pizza, you daft apath.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:24,
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also, given crumpets are mostly made of buttereven then it's probably not lower fat...
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:25,
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yes that is the pointnobody cooks or orders a pizza and then stops at a crumpet sized portion. this way you get to think you've eaten a pizza but actually you haven't.
come on darling, you know i'm right this time.
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rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:27,
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I make tiny pizzas all the timefor parties and shit as snacks or canapes.
So, some people do.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:29,
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shit as a snack?darling i love you, but please don't invite me to one of your parties....!
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rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:30,
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You've been out for dinner with Kroney.There's nothing I could do that would shock you.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:32,
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yupand about as healthy once you've slathered half a pound of butter over it, but nom.
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I had crumpets for breakfast today, fact fans.Mostly because they needed to be eaten before they went stale.
Which raises a question: how come when bread goes stale, it gets hard, but when crumpets go stale, they get sticky? And no, I don't think anybody is spunking on my crumpets. Not now I'm married, anyway.
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b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:56,
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crumpets do go hard when they go stale.So therefore, I'm afraid someone is spunking on your crumpets.
I'm not owning up, you've got no proof.
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the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 14:58,
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i don't have anybut if i did, they would be things like no more taxis to/from work, fewer hair/manicure appointments, that sort of thing.
alt: if you enjoy it, or the recipient enjoys it, it's not wasted. money is only wasted on things like the ungrateful or the ignorant. or council tax.
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rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:14,
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Surely constructing all of your own furniture with your own allen key counts?(
Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:15,
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i have thought about itand- no. no it does not.
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rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 12 Feb 2013, 15:16,
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