a question regarding immigration
asylum seekers aside, do you think people should be allowed to move country willy-nilly without some form of useful or desirable skill to show that they are worthy?

Your thoughts, oh people of b3ta
(The Stalker's Stalker For all your stalking needs, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:25, 102 replies, latest was 16 years ago)

well I think so.
People can study and gain skills as they go. What about if people are in love and want to get married?

Each person has a different story to tell.
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 14:26, Reply)

Yeah, but you would say that, wouldn't you?
I mean, how would you like it if a bunch of reprobates and criminals decided to invade your country?

Wait...
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:34, Reply)

They did
In fact we sent them there!
(Herr Doktor Lemminge Is bored, so cheer me up!, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:46, Reply)

I guess age and therefore opportunity to learn etc. should be taken into account to some extent
love is fleeting however. Not always I grant you, but unfortunately it's not solid enough to build immigration laws on. Hence all the proof you have to go through with marriages etc.
(The Stalker's Stalker For all your stalking needs, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:29, Reply)

Each case should be judged independantly.
As long as you can prove you're able to pay your way then I don't see a problem.
( girlinthehole, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:31, Reply)

that's the crux of it isn't it
we've got enough spongers as it is. mostly native.
(The Stalker's Stalker For all your stalking needs, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:32, Reply)

Enoch Powells' rivers of blood ...
Asylum seeking aside, people should be free to move country to country if they can demonstrate the economic benefits they would bring to the country and a demonstrable ability to communicate and integrate effectively.

We as a country here in the UK have taken something of a laissez-faire approach to this matter which is utterly without merit; in doing so, we have allowed the creation of ghettos which are no-go areas for members of the majority community and, in some cases, the police.

/does_not_read_the_daily_mail
(Eds Meds Mathskillz=1,Socialskillz=0, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:32, Reply)

What a lovely thread
with lots of serious discussion.

Would anyone like to teabag me?
(Bert's other profile wants to wear your balls on a necklace, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:37, Reply)

well hey now come on.
I'm working my arse off to be able to support myself once I get to the UK. I refuse to accept help from my government or yours because this is a big thing for me. It's My life, My freedom and I want to make it on my Own.
I have saved over 2.5 thousand pounds since january, and I'm determined to have at least 6 thousand pounds in the bank for when I go so I *don't* have to rely on anybody.

If I can support myself and have all the legal paperwork then why the hell can't I move where I like?
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 14:37, Reply)

What skills would you bring?
If I wanted to move to Oz I'd have to fit their criteria, and be capable/ qualified of doing one of the jobs on their 'wanted' list.
( SpikeyPickle wishes he was mabazaritchie, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:41, Reply)

good for you!
People (such as VC) with reasons such as marriage who are coming over and have the means to support themselves - together with the potential to add to the communities in which they'll be living and the ability and willingness to integrate? Yes, please - welcome, with open arms.

One of my favourite authors is P J O'Rourke who once wrote that the "boat people" who are floating from Cuba to Florida should be welcomed with open arms simply for the effort of getting there.
(Eds Meds Mathskillz=1,Socialskillz=0, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:55, Reply)

Flippin hell VC.
Where do you work and doing what?
( girlinthehole, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:40, Reply)

I work in a restaurant,
as a waitress. Full time (30+ hours a week) during holidays and two - three nights a week during the term (usually 3 hours on a thursday, 5:30-close friday/saturday). Plus I get tips and bank those as well.

I work my arse off for every cent and I'm sorry but it really does piss me off when people say stuff like "aside from asylum seekers no one should be allowed to move willy nilly if they don't have skills of some recogniseable sort".
I have skills. In an emergency I could save someone's life because I'm a qualified Lifesaver and have my First Aid level two Certificate. I'm also getting Bartending Qualifications. I don't intend on getting to the UK and sitting about on my arse doing nothing.
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 14:44, Reply)

You're giving me the horn
with all this sex talk
(Bert's other profile wants to wear your balls on a necklace, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:46, Reply)

I give you the horn anyway bert
you need to stop imagining my breasts when you read what I write.
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 14:47, Reply)

I've never seen your breasts
I bet they're all pert and perky, like seventies tits, but with more bounce, and maybe some ice cream, and a tattoo of me next to your left nipple.

Yeah
(Bert's other profile wants to wear your balls on a necklace, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:49, Reply)

It's the thought of the waitress uniform isn't it?
*Has thought*
*Wipes*
(porkylips looks better as the sun goes down., Fri 8 May 2009, 14:48, Reply)

In all honesty, no
it was the way she stood up for herself so passionately.

Go on VC, get your minge out, tickle his A spot
(Bert's other profile wants to wear your balls on a necklace, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:50, Reply)

you will find that I phrased it as a question because
I was genuinely curious about people's views

I haven't made up my mind either, but without wanting to belittle you, any idiot can tend a bar, I know, I've done it, and I'm sat within spitting distance of several qualified first aiders and lifeguards.

I have no doubt that you want to work when you get here, but that wasn't what I asked, and while you may have sparked my brain to think on the matter, your case wasn't what I was referring to.
(The Stalker's Stalker For all your stalking needs, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:48, Reply)

I know and I'm sorry.
but having called up the consulate and being told that university skills are what I really need - but "oh no we can't supply you with a full course length student visa" - what else can I do? I don't want to go to uni here - I want to go to uni in the UK.

I think everybody deserves the freedom to move where they want because sometimes it's not the obvious qualifications they have.
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 14:50, Reply)

that sucks
if you are coming here to study and can support your way through it then there's no reason to stop you.

pretty harsh. how do most foreign students manage it? my uni was full of them!
(The Stalker's Stalker For all your stalking needs, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:53, Reply)

They took our jobs :(

( Cawl, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:55, Reply)

not mine
I'd be welcomed with open arms anywhere :-)

huzzah for engineering!
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:00, Reply)

Oh...
Well, I don't really wanna leave the EU, so I'm ok being a skill-poor idiot.
( Cawl, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:02, Reply)

nor me
I like the climate here. I'm not suited to extremes of hot or cold.

but the option is there.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:04, Reply)

Yeah...
I like the idea of Finland though...
Snow is most excellent.
And reindeer are delicious.
( Cawl, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:06, Reply)

both valid points
I need to be able to surf though
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:08, Reply)

What about
Snow-surfing?
( Cawl, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:10, Reply)

not the same
easier to get hurt, and I don't like pain, unless judiciously applied at the right time.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:15, Reply)

If you want a good rodgering,
Just man the fuck up and ask :p
( Cawl, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:16, Reply)

you're so good to me
;-)
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:16, Reply)

...
to in
( Cawl, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:18, Reply)

that provoked unwanted office snorting
damn you and all your kind
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:29, Reply)

They have rich parents
who pay for everything.
My family have never been money rich. We've never wanted but we've certainly never been able to buy the best of anything.
I'm working my arse off to do this because I don't want to spend the rest of my life in a small town and never seeing the world.
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 14:57, Reply)

I guess there's always the illegal route.
Get here, change your name, get fake documents.
( Cawl, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:59, Reply)

But who is going to pay for your uni course?
Why should I pay for you to go to a Uni over here?
(Bazongaloid, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:00, Reply)

Doesn't work like that
If you're studying and are from outside the EU, you have to pay the full fee, somewhere in the region of £60-70k. They will often get local help from their governments, but will still get charged the full fee. Inside the EU, that's the EU paying it. UK citizen - well, that's obvious.
(Potty Jag har smör i min rumpspringa, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:02, Reply)

VC is saying she doesn't have the money
so how is she expecting to pay for Uni? If you have a place on a uni course, then getting a visa is more straightforward, but to get the place you need to show you can pay. VC seems to be saying, let me come over, i'll promise to earn money and then go to uni, but my point is that, no matter how nice VC is, there are lots of people form the UK already who are capable of working as waitresses. So why should she be allowed to come and take the place of them?
(Bazongaloid, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:06, Reply)

Exactly right.
Because I'm from outside the UK I have to pay every cent myself - and I'm more then happy to work my arse off to do that.

EDIT: that's not what I said. I said my parents don't have the money. My dad is retired because he's medically and physically unable to work. My mother is a uni student herself.

I am, and I will work my arse off to put myself through university without handouts.
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 15:06, Reply)

You tell him, sister

(Bert's other profile wants to wear your balls on a necklace, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:15, Reply)

VC
*puts on twatcap*

Why should you able to study over here just because you want too? Australia has many fine universities for you to choose from.

I'm not attacking you for your choices but I don't agree with people being able to study over here 'because they want too'. If there was a genuine reason then fairynuff.
( SpikeyPickle wishes he was mabazaritchie, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:00, Reply)

Because in all honesty
I want to be able to meet people who don't know me. I don't fit in here - I never have. I want to start over. Everybody in my home town is fleeing to Universities anywhere but here - everywhere I go I will see someone I know, who knows me, who knows my past, knows what other people have done to me. I don't want to be that girl any more.

And also - I'm in love with someone who loves me back. And I don't want to wait another 4 years before I can see them just so I can claim skills on a visa.
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 15:05, Reply)

The point is
you will be coming to the UK and using all the systems, such as health and transport that were paid for by UK taxpayers. Now if you are going to stay here and contribute to teh country by paying your taxes and national insurance then that's all well and good.

But how do you know in advance who is going to actually do that? Well, the simplest way is simply to say, okay, if you have skills which we are lacking then come to our country and you'll be sure of getting a job, or even better, come with a job offer already secured and we know you aren't going to just sit around sponging.

Yes, each case should be considered on it's merits, but look at this logically, there are probably hundreds of thousands of people wanting to come to the UK because, despite how much we like to moan, we have it pretty fucking good here compared to a lot of the world.

So should we have a system where every single person has to phone up an immigration person and go through point by point why they should be allowed into the country?

That would immediately lead to a huge backlog and nobody entering the country. So they have a system where you get considered on the skills you have.

If you are a student, or you want to come over and see the UK for a bit and do some casual work to pay your way then there are visas for those situations. But why should just anybody be able to come over, even if they are skilled and qualified, and take the place of someone born in this country who is equally skilled and qualified.

And I realise that may come across as horrifically right wing, but there is a logic there which needs to be discussed without people shouting "RACIST" and then "FORRINS GO HOME" which is what it usually descends into.

And VC, Oz is much harder to get into than the UK. You can get a two year working holiday visa for Europe with very little trouble, we can only get a one year visa, and the restrictions on working are more severe.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:56, Reply)

I understand that
I'm more then willing to pay taxes because in all honesty I'm moving there to become a citizen eventually - not because I want to sponge. I've been looking up the relevent paper work to get tax file numbers, legitimate jobs, bank accounts all that stuff.

I agree australia is getting harder to get into - and it's only because we have stupid stupid twunts in office trying to keep out people from South East Asia - but it's affecting everywhere else too.
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 15:00, Reply)

That's all well and good
and I'm sure you're honest in your intention, but not everyone is, and why should you come to the UK and take advantage of money from taxpayers with no guarantee that you will contribute anything back?

I know this sounds really harsh, but would you let a stranger eat free in your restaurant just because he said he is going to come back in a month and give everyone who works there a thousand bucks?
(Bazongaloid, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:03, Reply)

hey hey where did I say
that I was going to take advantage of taxpayers money?!

I am working this hard so far in advance so I don't HAVE to. I don't want to be a sponge and I don't intend to be one! I'm not going to play on the NHS every time I get a sniffle and if I DO I will be paying taxes just like the rest of you. I'm not doing this half arsed. If I live in your country, earn money, legally, in your country, then I pay taxes just like the rest of you. If I pay taxes then I think I'm entitled to health care. If I pay taxes I feel I'm allowed to use public transport and roads.
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 15:13, Reply)

You seem to be saying that you want to come to the UK
with no specific skills, and work in unskilled jobs in order to save up enough money to attend University. If i've got this wrong then please correct me.

What i'm saying is that why, with your current lack of skills, should you be able to come and take a job which an unskilled person from the UK (or anywhere else in Europe what with the new freedom of movement of labour) could do. You're saying you should do it on a promise that you will stay in the UK afterwards and keep contributing. But someone already from the UK (or europe) is far more likely to stay.

I'm not trying to have a go, i'm just pointing out the argument against what you want to happen.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:18, Reply)

Nope you're mostly right.
except I'm moving there mainly to be with someone I'm in love with. Call me a stupid romantic, a naive bint I don't really give a shite.

Why shouldn't I be able to take a job? We have thousands of UK people coming into Australia every single year who do the exact same thing. Moreover - many of them DON'T return to the UK and live here illegally. I've got no intention of staying in the UK illegally. If my visa runs out and I can't get another one - then I will go to Holland (family) or Ireland.

But I'm not going to the UK just to act like some princess who is too good to work hard. Yes - there are people in the UK who are probably FAR more skilled then I am and who will stay there. But there are also people who are lazy and would never work a day in their lives if they could get away with it.
And I'm buggered if I'm going to sit back and let that opportunity go to waste. If they don't want to work - fine - they don't have to. Why can't I work instead?
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 15:24, Reply)

There's no point in arguing with him
he's like a pitbull when he's got a serious point to make, the only way to break him off is to stick a finger up his arse.
(Bert's other profile wants to wear your balls on a necklace, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:26, Reply)

I don't care.
I'm going to argue this until we're both blue in the face.

He believes he is right. And some of his points are perfectly valid. However - I also believe I am right and I *know* some of my points are also perfectly valid.
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 15:31, Reply)

fingers up my arse aside
I've already said why you shouldn't be able to just come and take a job in the UK. Just because you're all good and honest and will promise to stay and pay taxes and not use the NHS, doesn't mean that the system should be changed just to suit you.

And don't bring people staying illegally into this, that has nothing to do with this debate. There may well be lots of people in Oz from the UK, but there are a whole lot more over here, because getting paid in pounds means getting a lot more dollars when you send it home, and that is the worst thing that can happen as that simply means money leaves the UK economy. At least if you are working cash in hand you are more than likely spending the money straight away.

I've lived in Oz, I would have loved to stay longer, but I couldn't. I got over it. Have you travelled much around your own country? The big cities are all very different, if you don't fit into small town life, try living in Sydney, it's incredibly cosmopolitan.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:32, Reply)

I have actually.
I've travelled very widely around australia. My whole family and I packed a few sets of clothes and hitched a rusty old caravan to the car and we travelled for five and a half months right around Australia. I've been to well over 200 towns, have been into every state and territory except for tassie, thoroughly explored each of them, going well inland and right to the sea.

I've been just about everywhere I can think of and I never once was in a place I liked enough to call home.

And why the buggery fuck would I send money home? I don't have a family to support, I don't have debts to pay off, and I'm not keen on having to part with it once I've earned it unless it's to pay bills etc.
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 15:36, Reply)

So to take your argument to the next step
you are saying that you are a very transient person, who doesn't like to settle. What makes you think you will like the UK any better? Also, you've toured your country as a child. You are only 17. I went to lots of places as a child, I wouldn't feel remotely qualified to decide if they were places I would like to live now without going back and spending some time there.

And once again back to the crux of the argument, why should the fact that you really, really, really want to, make any difference as to whether you can prove that you will contribute to the country?
(Bazongaloid, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:46, Reply)

I'm not saying that at all
I'm not saying I'm a very transient person. I want to settle. I like rain and I like cold and I like the occasional sunny day. Fact is I can see myself fitting in more comfortably in the UK then I ever have fitted in here.

If you're not going to let people have a chance - you're essentially closing off your country to everybody. Nobody would want to come because nobody would feel welcome. I want a chance and I know there are thousands of other people who would also jump at the opportunity if it was given to them.

Sometimes risks have to be taken. Your economy is already in crap shape. If people are willing to come over and work, in any sector - then I think they should be able to. If they pay taxes, do everything legally - why the hell not? The only difference of me and you is that my passport is australian and yours is british. That's the only difference between you thinking you're entitled to your job and that I'm not even allowed one chance.

I'm not asking for all the laws to be changed - just for me. I'm asking for a chance at being able to start my life over. There are so many people just like me who want to get out and begin again. I have been through some messed up shit and I've wanted to get as far away from here as I can since then.
I now have funds, I have someone waiting for me, I have motivation, general skills (which aren't apparently good enough) and I'm willing to work hard.

Being able to prove this is essentially my word, my bank statements, my certificates and my passports. My certificates are evidence that I work hard. My tafe course that I'm doing right now? It takes 14 months to do. I finish it about two months before I leave for the UK. I'll be qualified in Hospitality for reception, waiting, bartending, phone call operations and a whole host of other jobs.
If that's not evidence that I'm not willing to work hard then I'm not ever going to convince you and I'm not going to waste my time trying to do so.
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 15:57, Reply)

without wanting to get right into this debate
I'd like to point out that our economy is indeed in crap shape, with something like 2 million unemployed. now is when we could really do with all jobs being available for the people who already live here.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 8 May 2009, 16:06, Reply)

Well, you are wasting your time by arguing
with someone on the internet over the UK governments stance on immigration. I'm pointing out what the counter argument to what your saying is.

To go back to your last comment "sometimes risks have to be taken", but not on the level of an individual person coming to the UK, the immigration system does not work like that, indeed, no immigration system could ever work like that.

Lots of people come to the UK, we are by no means a closed country, we actually have a very easy to abuse system, which is being tightened up a bit, but it's still not as good as the one set out in Oz, which although tough, works and is, as fair editfar as these things can be, pretty fair.

And once again, you have "general" skills, but so do the hundreds of thousands of british teenagers who leave college every single year in exactly your position. And since they are already here, the argument I'm putting forward is that surely they should have first dibs on the unskilled jobs that you will be looking for.

If we get to the stage in the UK where we are desperate for waiting staff in cafes, then your skill set will be the one that the immigration officials will be looking for, but at the moment they aren't.

Now I realise that you are looking at this from the inside, but I'm trying to explain dispassionately why what you want is not reasonable.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 8 May 2009, 16:06, Reply)

Oz immigration
You have a very good system that, depite a few flaws, is fuckin excellent and should be used as a template by our own twunty govenment.
( SpikeyPickle wishes he was mabazaritchie, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:05, Reply)

But if every country were a bit easier to enter then there would be a better flow of people around the world.
If we could all moved around more then we would become less insular and the world would become a better place eventually.

*hippies*
( girlinthehole, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:02, Reply)

but but
then we might get more french people here.....
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:18, Reply)

So what you're saying is
'KEEP THE WOGS, SPICKS AND SANDNIGGERS OUT'?
(Bert's other profile wants to wear your balls on a necklace, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:03, Reply)

Especially them.
yes.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:04, Reply)

But blacks are ok?

(Bert's other profile wants to wear your balls on a necklace, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:04, Reply)

Nope
The gayers are bad as well.
( SpikeyPickle wishes he was mabazaritchie, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:07, Reply)

Yeah
those filthy gayers, spreading their monkey disease. They should all be locked up
(Bert's other profile wants to wear your balls on a necklace, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:09, Reply)

Probably
Although I don't know all that many of them. So it might just be the ones i've met that are okay.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:07, Reply)

You need more
interracial porn
(Bert's other profile wants to wear your balls on a necklace, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:09, Reply)

Interracial gay porn
FTW!
( SpikeyPickle wishes he was mabazaritchie, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:16, Reply)

You're fucking sick
you know that?
(Bert's other profile wants to wear your balls on a necklace, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:16, Reply)

Tricky question
I'm all for letting people move countries as and when they want. You have people like VC, who would be perfectly capable of supporting herself here and being a valuable part of the community, which is how most people are. But you do get those who are coming to sponge.

Personally the fairest way would be to judge it on a case by case basis. Although probably impractical in the amount of manpower required, if the person who wishes to move in can demonstrate that they have done their best to find work after a time period, of say a year, and aren't just sponging then let them stay. Marriage just won't work as a basis for letting people stay - get married, get documents, divorce. Easy enough to game the system there. So there does need to be some sort of check in place, but the current ones are just too hard to who want to move here for legitimate reasons.

I guess I'm somewhat biased as my plan is to emigrate in the next couple of years, but it's within the EU so I don't need any paperwork.
(Potty Jag har smör i min rumpspringa, Fri 8 May 2009, 14:51, Reply)

Where are you looking to move
/offtopic post within /offtopic
( whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:14, Reply)

Sweden.
South of, or I could cope with Copenhagen.
(Potty Jag har smör i min rumpspringa, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:17, Reply)

Aren't those places pricey?
Can you speak the language?
( whenanimalsattackhumans clad in global hypercolour, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:37, Reply)

Speak to Humpty
He lives in Sweden.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Fri 8 May 2009, 15:40, Reply)

I will contact Humpty for advice when it get's closer
Where he used to live in Malmö is close to where my girlfriend currently lives. I do speak a little Swedish and Danish, but I can understand a lot, lot more. The hardest part for me will be getting a job once I'm up, as although I'm working on my qualifications, I am still somewhat lacking. I'll just have to see what I can get, even working as a cleaner would be enough.
(Potty Jag har smör i min rumpspringa, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:50, Reply)

I reckon we should do swaps.
Every decent person we get, we send an idiot away.
Or underground. To walk in giant treadmills to give us power.
( Cawl, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:06, Reply)

This works
I'd vote for it.
(Potty Jag har smör i min rumpspringa, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:06, Reply)

Glad to hear it.

( Cawl, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:07, Reply)

This is a good plan
but the problem is that it involves people and people aren't a continuous variable. I can model peoples behaviours but, using a scoring system similar to that in Oz, we could (a) create a system that's appropriate to the economic needs of the UK and (b) build it and we'd STILL get bleeding-heart-liberal-scum-sucking-****s complaining about it.

Well you know what? Fcuk 'em.
(Eds Meds Mathskillz=1,Socialskillz=0, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:19, Reply)

Well clearly
The " bleeding-heart-liberal-scum-sucking-****s" would be shoved down "Carbon-Organic Collection Plant".
( Cawl, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:24, Reply)

This
is the greatest thing I've ever read on the internet.

Lots of people want to come to Britain to work and in doing so make a huge contribution to the economy and wellbeing of the nation.

We can send the resident oxygen thieves to Kaol's treadmills to keep the lights on.

Genius....
(Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Fri 8 May 2009, 15:11, Reply)

Alright
but I vote Morris to be the first sent down to the treadmill
(Bert's other profile wants to wear your balls on a necklace, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:12, Reply)

Of course.
It'll be like Maggie Thatcher laying the first brick on the American Library Of Independence.
Then I'll go back to ruling the surface-world.
( Cawl, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:15, Reply)

Oh
shut up, Morris
(Bert's other profile wants to wear your balls on a necklace, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:15, Reply)

Carbon-free by twenty-one-oh-three.

( Cawl, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:13, Reply)

isn't that what you did in the first place?
dump a whole lot of crims here so you wouldn't have to deal with them?
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 15:32, Reply)

yup
It was pretty good while it lasted :0)

As an example how silly it was though, I met a girl over here about 10 years ago whose great-grandfather was shipped off for stealing underwear from peoples washing lines!
( SpikeyPickle wishes he was mabazaritchie, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:34, Reply)

To be fair to you...
...we only exported the ones we couldn't elect.
(Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Fri 8 May 2009, 15:35, Reply)

bet you would still do the same thing now though
if you could.
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 15:38, Reply)

Yes...
...starting with the ones we elected in 1997.

We could do a deal with the Aussie government, they would be allowed to torpedo the ship carrying them the moment it enters Australian territorial waters.

Everyone's a winner.
(Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Fri 8 May 2009, 15:39, Reply)

Can we swap
Gordon Brown for Kevin Rudd? We'll chuck Tony in as well just to even things up a little.

And we'll take John Howard as well just for the hell of it.
( SpikeyPickle wishes he was mabazaritchie, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:40, Reply)

I vote for this.
Can we sweeten the deal by offering Mr Rudd a knighthood?
(Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Fri 8 May 2009, 15:41, Reply)

no
johnny howard is obsolete. No body cares about him any more.
(Poppet some assembly required., Fri 8 May 2009, 15:45, Reply)

The King is dead!!!

( SpikeyPickle wishes he was mabazaritchie, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:47, Reply)

Okay, okay!
We'll even throw in Harriet Harman and Hazel Blears.

Literally.
(Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Fri 8 May 2009, 15:48, Reply)

I reckon you should only be allowed to live in the UK
if you prove that you are making an effort to speak the language and find work. If not then fuck off back to where you're from.

/unemployed student.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Fri 8 May 2009, 15:55, Reply)

Well done Beckyletters
You've just alienated the entire population of Ipswich.
(Bicycle Repairman "you're also a bit of a wanker", Fri 8 May 2009, 15:56, Reply)

now that's not fair
they've alienated themselves
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Fri 8 May 2009, 16:07, Reply)

FUCKING IPSWICHERS!
They should all fuck back where they came from. To Ipswich.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 8 May 2009, 16:07, Reply)

Well if they don't even try...
I mean, I'm unemployed, but have managed to keep my college place by virtue of the fact that I've worked my arse off here and gotten good grades, so they're willing to keep me on while I look for a job.
( fuck shit up the best you never had, Fri 8 May 2009, 16:16, Reply)

Pah
they should send you back to Ipswich where you belong.
(Bazongaloid, Fri 8 May 2009, 16:26, Reply)

Most of these replies are bollocks as far as I'm concerned
Self-defeating politics. The only way to improve the global immigration situation is to open borders, starting with whoever wants to start. It won't happen anytime soon but I'm not putting my name to any other zenophobic way of thinking. This is one reason why I will never be involved in politics.
(raymond "three griddle pans" luxury yacht lovin' the christmas action, Fri 8 May 2009, 18:21, Reply)

I'll do a one for one swap with VC
I'll take a life in Oz over living in this semi 3rd world shithole ...... I regularly want to bite my eyes out with rage at some of the sheer fucking foolishness that goes on.

And that's mosty started by homunculous, interbred, shit kicking, grazed knuckled natives. Widen the gene pool says I
(SpunkyMcSpunkbubble Diddled your nubbin on, Fri 8 May 2009, 23:08, Reply)