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# Arf!
TJ: Since when did they start asking?

Zoo magazine
We here at ZOO have seen your work csi.jpg on B3ta.com. We would like to publish it in next week's issue of the magazine, in our 'YOU'VE GOT SPAM!' section.

We are sorry, but we don't pay fees for reproduction of your work in the magazine, but we will of course publish any credit you so desire.

Please confirm that you are the originator of this work and let us know by return email if this is all okay with you.

Please email [email protected] and make the subject heading SPAM. If we don't hear from you, we won't publish.

Many thanks,

ZOO
(YOU'VE GOT SPAM, Tue 10 Jul, 12:05, ignore, delete, archive, reply)
(I helped save b3ta! Kris Fucking Kristofferson, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:48, archived)
# "we don't pay fees for reproduction"?
They can fuck off.
(I helped save b3ta! wastedindustry yes indeed sir, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:48, archived)
# this
(I helped save b3ta! mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:53, archived)
#
that
(I helped save b3ta! SubCulture Hero ... ... He... .... Comes ... ...., Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:22, archived)
# Since they said they would in a national paper

Edit: this ^
They DO pay fees, they just don't want to
(I helped save b3ta! Jessie © needs pirate name suggestions, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:49, archived)
# They've finally got the message?
Huzzah!
(I helped save b3ta! Walrus Man Think hippy thoughts, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:49, archived)
# I was expecting "If we don't hear from you, we'll publish anyway."
(I helped save b3ta! ERG1008 is climbing in yo windows & snatchin yo people up, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:50, archived)
# Ha ha, more likely
(I helped save b3ta! Mr Gear the gay-maker, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:10, archived)
# no fees?
tell them where to go. No jobbing features writer works pro bono, neither do you.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:50, archived)
# ^THIS
(I helped save b3ta! Hamster Trippin' aka Mr. Titts, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:53, archived)
# yes! you got one as well!
I got two of them this morning. be careful, if you say 'yes' they have ALL
rights over that image for it's use I think.
Although he 'non-fee' thing is still debatable, particularly if
the image used is the 'reader winner' which qualifies for the assocaited prize
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:50, archived)
# Not legally, no.
"We would like to publish it in next week's issue of the magazine, in our "YOU'VE GOT SPAM!" section." If they use it in any other way, for example on the listing page for the section, then you haven't agreed to that.

The best answer would be to request a written contract detailing precisely the terms of use. That'd piss 'em off.
(I helped save b3ta! Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:53, archived)
# be sure to stipulate
that they enuncliate the image preprior to each usage
(I helped save b3ta! VampireMonkeyOnSpeed a super sexy sexual sex terrorist sex, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:54, archived)
# they will also then demand a full contract with creator to ensure that ALL work is under their ownership
they have done it in the past. you need to ensure that ALL work
is from toally copright free sources, or basically you're making the rope for your own hanging if
someone then complains about a source image being used in the magazine,
unless it falls under 'fair usage' policy, such as parody, but it's a fine line
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:55, archived)
# Very true.
Legal stuff sucks and my lawyer charges £300 an hour to write contracts. Ho hum.
(I helped save b3ta! Matazone has new icons, but is keeping this one, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:56, archived)
#
my lawyer charges £300 an hour to write photocopy contracts. Ho hum.
(I helped save b3ta! riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:59, archived)
#
my lawyer I charges £300 an hour to write photocopy contracts the backs of cereal packets.

PROFIT!
(I helped save b3ta! The Neville What what what, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:11, archived)
# indeed, in the case of many b3ta images, probably best to say 'no' to cover your own backs
After all, they had their chance to do this right months ago, and they're still trying to pull the wool over our eyes in being all nice about it now in these messages.
They DO pay, they just need to accept that they should make the offer. They pay 'journos' to write content for the other pages,
so they should make token gestures to people they want in the spam section,
something suggested - along with the setting up a b3ta account and asking b3tans - MONTHS ago -
probably around xmas time.

they obviously still value the 'spam' page as they are now doing this, so it's maybe time to stick to our guns on the issue, and insist on some form of payment.

the spam section keeps the sponsors interested in supplying prizes, and help towards keeping sponsor interest in the magazine
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:59, archived)
# Bapla is good for ownership guidelines
www.bapla.org/static/industry/copyright.php
(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:14, archived)
# I can sound legal ish
'Keep your hands off my stuff you bastards!'

That do?
(Mrs Trellis GIN, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:59, archived)
# I love it when you talk legally,
now say something about mature cheddar
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:01, archived)
# Calcium deposits are perfectly normal
(Mrs Trellis GIN, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:03, archived)
# back in 5...
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:04, archived)
# psst
more fist shaking!
(I helped save b3ta! riverghost servicing your mum since, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:02, archived)
# You have every
right to demand that they pay you for your work, as they've described it.
I could easily say to a builder - "I'm sorry, but I don't pay fees for you building my conservatory" :)
(I helped save b3ta! The Neville What what what, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:09, archived)
# exactly.
they're just trying to say 'look, we're not paying, and if we don't use yours, which we like, we'll find some other poor sap to get some images from who doesn't mind their work in print for nowt'
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:13, archived)
# tell them you need paying
what are you? their photoshopping bitch?
do their 'journalists' work for free?

that's what i told 'em...
(Professor Yaffle now with added sodium, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:50, archived)
# Is it real?
(I helped save b3ta! davew27 hevosen kuva!, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:51, archived)
# shouldn't be too hard to formulate the reply to that then.
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:51, archived)
# "We are sorry, but we don't pay fees "

bullshit!...if they have enough money to give away prizes to the dickheads who sent in the other pictures, then they can pay you or give you some other compensation


CUNTS!!
(I helped save b3ta! prodigy69 broke b3ta and made everyone leave, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:51, archived)
# the prizes aren't paid for by them, they are sent in directly from sponsors
emap act as the 'middle man'. Zoo promote sony , etc, or the big film/computer company, and in return they
offer some merchandise as a sponsor prize, emap take the images and pass off the prize to the sponsor to deal with
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:53, archived)
# the amount of magazines they sell, they can spare a few quid either way


FUCKING CUNTS!!!
(I helped save b3ta! prodigy69 broke b3ta and made everyone leave, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:54, archived)
# As long as they credit me
I don't really have any objections
(I helped save b3ta! Kris Fucking Kristofferson, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 13:54, archived)
# at least ask for some free Doovdes
and a Lucada Tiv.
(I helped save b3ta! Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:06, archived)
# well you should!
Because the more people that give away free stuff, the less likely people who need to sell to earn a living will be able to. I wouldn't mind if it was a free magazine but it's not - it's £1.40 a copy. They don't work for nothing why should we?
(I helped save b3ta! Boris Johnson's Press Secretary, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:11, archived)
# Actually
I do 90% of my posts at work, so technically I am getting paid ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Kris Fucking Kristofferson, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:15, archived)
# winner
^^
(I helped save b3ta! DLT's Musical Bonanza is totting up the p, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:29, archived)
# So does your work belong to you or the company?
(I helped save b3ta! Kamikaze Stoat £4.09, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:34, archived)
# "any credit you so desire"?
Try asking them to publish the credit as 'Zoo are a bunch of image-stealing c*nts'
(I helped save b3ta! ChairmanMiaow Stop! Look! Kitten!, Tue 10 Jul 2007, 14:19, archived)