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[challenge entry] Let's get selective...

Ta for the clicks - now linked to the post on my site where you can find a high-res version.

From the Infidels! challenge. See all 170 entries (closed)

(clopinettes, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:33, archived)
# Heh
That is very clever, and more amusing than the usual "dirkadirkdadirka" posts we've been having.
(I helped save b3ta! PopePollo defloculating the soup of the surreal, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:34, archived)
# I was getting annoyed
But didn't want to be too arsey. Just feel that the Middle East is more than just Burqas and people being stoned and a lot of this compo was really winding me up. That's not to say that there aren't folk on t'other side spreading propaganda that makes us lot seem like we'll shag anything that moves and are permanently stoned in other ways.

Anyway, for reference...

It's Ataturk v. Nixon, Dubai v. Hull (I think it's Hull, could be anywhere in Blighty), No idea who the woman is v. Amsterdam prostitute, Lebanese students v. British yobs, Dishy magazine in Turkey (terrible name eh?) v. gun magazines in a US airport FFS!
(clopinettes, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:48, archived)
# fuck off then.
(I helped save b3ta! war3n3xt < I'm with stupid, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:53, archived)
#
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(I helped save b3ta! SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:02, archived)
#
(I helped save b3ta! war3n3xt < I'm with stupid, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:06, archived)
#
(I helped save b3ta! head-doctor ololololo, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:07, archived)
#
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I'm going somewhere fluffier
(I helped save b3ta! SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:09, archived)
# :D
(I helped save b3ta! war3n3xt < I'm with stupid, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:16, archived)
# *buys*
*...*
*profits*
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:37, archived)
# awww...
poor monopoly man...
(I helped save b3ta! Seventh is somewhat subdued, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:57, archived)
#
(atomkinder is deeply unfashionable, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:21, archived)
# You disagree?
Just checking.
(I helped save b3ta! Monty Propps, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 16:17, archived)
# I knew it was Atatürk
I don't know whether that's a good thing or not ;)

Turkey's a lovely place, pity about the politicians (I guess that applies to most places)
(I helped save b3ta! The Coast Of Yemen, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:22, archived)
# Point
Politicians, even the good ones, should be treated with suspicion and always kept away from children and nervous animals.
(clopinettes, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 16:00, archived)
#
It's been revealed that the junior Treasury Minister, Michael Portillo, carries a sawn-off shotgun to constituency meetings, corners children in parks and chews their cheeks and has frequent sexual intercourse with stray animals, claiming "As long as it's got a backbone, I'll do it". That story we reported last week, and have since discovered it to be untrue.
(I helped save b3ta! The Coast Of Yemen, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 16:08, archived)
# west is best
(b0rk3d Jokes are better than technique!, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:35, archived)
# Damn
That's actually very good.
*wants to move now*
(I helped save b3ta! Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:35, archived)
# you want one last bacon sandwich before you go?
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:38, archived)
# Is that a euphemism?
(I helped save b3ta! Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:40, archived)
# yes
he wants to slide his warm pork between your buns...
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:42, archived)
# warm!
it's in the fridge wrapped up in silver foil

also, so is the bacon
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:43, archived)
# mine isn't
i had the traditional after-party breakfast of sausages, eggs, bacon and tomatoes. mmmmmmm, them's good eatin'!
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:45, archived)
# Yum
I just had the traditional "Can't be bothered even making toast" breakfast of 2 chocolate-orange muffins and a glass of water.
(I helped save b3ta! Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:48, archived)
# i usually have muesli
but was much drunkened last night, so needed a fry*-up

*all grilled except for the eggs
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:50, archived)
# I had lukewarm chips in gravy
:D
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:07, archived)
# pff!
the snoring b3tan on my couch has rolled onto the floor, so i'm off to laugh at him and look for chocolate. bye!
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:15, archived)
# adios
:D
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:59, archived)
# Will there be ketchup involved?
(I helped save b3ta! Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:43, archived)
# ketchup, mayonnaise, k.y,
you're probably going to need some type of lubricant
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:46, archived)
# Nice.


(I helped save b3ta! Monty Propps, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:36, archived)
# This is very good.
You get my approval.
(THIRTY-TWO - Sputnik -, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:36, archived)
# blimey a balanced view
you are clearly lost, this is b3ta
or if you are foreign B 3 T A
nicely done
(I helped save b3ta! god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:39, archived)
# If you're furrin
then it's surely at3b?

Spent ages looking for the NATO offices in Luxembourg before realising that OTAN was the same thing.
(clopinettes, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 16:03, archived)
# Canada is weird
Going through a Canadian airport, signs for the US gates say 'US - EU' for 'Etats Unis' in French. Took me a while to get that. I thought it was a trick to send all French Canadians to Europe instead of America.

Edit: Click, by the way!
(Fuiru Sting, where is thy death?, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 16:12, archived)
# that's cos you aksherlee saw
É-U

and not

EU

(also the flags on the signs are a givaway ...)
(I helped save b3ta! gfreeman is only here for the beer, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 17:21, archived)
# Fantastic
'click'
(I helped save b3ta! McBadger COW, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:41, archived)
# Hear hear
At last a decent post that doesn't make me angry reading it. Except firefox won't let me 'I like this!' it...

(Needs more use of the word infidel though.)
(atomkinder is deeply unfashionable, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:42, archived)
# I'd click for you...
but is that allowed? Would I immediately be cast into the wastelands of Palestine?
(clopinettes, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:49, archived)
# You'll probably be given a shemagh
and told to fend for yourself while dodging helicopter gunships with "Made in USA" stamped on the side.
(atomkinder is deeply unfashionable, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:54, archived)
# american components, russian components,
all made in taiwan!
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:57, archived)
# nothing to do with Firefox
it's fine here
:)
(I helped save b3ta! finnbar has officially retired, Sun 21 Oct 2007, 9:14, archived)
# thought-provoking
and far too intelligent for this time of day.
woo to you, sir.
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:43, archived)
# Haha, wonderful.
Well done, you intelligent and balanced individual.
(I helped save b3ta! SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 14:57, archived)
# You've done that very well
Woo
(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:06, archived)
# woo/yay/houpla
to you, good Sir.
(Your watch is still saving for 5K but has learnt about 'nose bondage', Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:18, archived)
# *high five*
Fantastic work, definitely worthy of a click and a w/y/h! =]
(I helped save b3ta! MrPineapple .co.uk - TSHIRTS FOR SALE. I GIVE YOU GOOD PRICE., Sat 20 Oct 2007, 15:46, archived)
# Brilliant.
Absolutely brilliant.

*round of applause*

Witty and thought provoking. Well deserving of the Front Page accolade and hopefully it will get a nice big mention in next week's newsletter.

(I helped save b3ta! Mike Fishcake teamfishcake.co.uk - better than your mum's face, Sat 20 Oct 2007, 20:57, archived)
# I wanted to do something like this
but have no talents (not to mention shekels, dirham or rupiah). Click!
(Emily Bruce-Dickinson http://jovialfellow.blogspot.com/, Sun 21 Oct 2007, 1:25, archived)
# bravo
(I helped save b3ta! Ratsta, Sun 21 Oct 2007, 5:06, archived)
# this is great. thanks for posting it.
this wins the compo as far as i'm concerned.
(I helped save b3ta! postbear has metal knees, Sun 21 Oct 2007, 7:12, archived)
# Yeah it's decent...
thought it should be noted that Turkey is a secular democracy and proud of it; not an Islamic state.

Also if they had OUR media it would be far more self-critical.
(Ged, Sun 21 Oct 2007, 11:54, archived)
# That's kinda the point
It's mostly Islamic, yet still capable of being secular, modern and progressive.

Look at things you see in Britain, or the US that mention the word God - swap the word God and suddenly we sound more fundamental. eg: In Allah we trust; there but for the grace of Allah go I; or thank Allah for that!

But I'm in danger of either sounding patronising or stupid or something so I'll just shut up now...
(clopinettes, Sun 21 Oct 2007, 12:23, archived)
# Strange example to use.
Turkey has a large population of Muslims and is a proud secular state, a more appropriate example would then be a Western country that is secular but has a large population of religious Christians - not that I can think of any; secularism in the West does not tend toward Christian fundamentalism.

Your suggestion that Britain is not a secular state though can only really be argued as a semantic point (there is not even a 'nation founded under God') - secularism as applied to a state is the separation of religion and religious influences from the state practices and state decisions; I don't think it is fair to suggest that Britain is anything other than secular even though some archaic laws can be rustled up containing God's name or pertaining to a religious law (which derives the concept of law in the first place). What is more, Britain is not recently founded and secularism is synonymous with progression in the West, not regression (at least in most people and all politics).

"In Allah we trust; there but for the grace of Allah go I; or thank Allah for that!" - certainly a point but again do any of those phrases suggest you live in a religion-dictated state?
"In God we trust" is written on American currency, hardly part of the common lexicon.
"there but for the grace of God" is a phrase so overused it is more of a soundbite used to denote not God but luck.
"thank God for that!" - well yes, but you are more likely to hear FUCK instead of God or Allah in most Western societies.
Indeed the word God in the West is closer to a profanity than it is a sacred deity whom you form a close, personal, spiritual relationship with.

So perhaps your entry is more valid than I thought - a Muslim state would portray the West like this; inappropriately, where we say God as a profanity or ignore the multitude meaningless references to 'our' religion, perhaps Muslim states hold these up as examples of our Christian-based irrationality?
That of course suggests that they see this as a weakness (as secularists generally think of them) which in turn contradicts their own belief-based - rather 'irrationality-based' dictates.

But certainly under the "Infidels!" banner of the competition, I know of several Turks who would not thank you for being banded together with more obvious examples of Islamic states (which Turkey is emphatically not) since they, like us ignore their cultural religious undertones at the political level (state secularism).
The difference being of course that Islam-dominated secularism tends toward Islamic fundamentalism (which mainstream Turkey continually fights) while Christian-dominated secularism tends toward secularism (or perhaps, eventually, Islamism).
(Ged, Sun 21 Oct 2007, 13:05, archived)
# I don't disagree
And I think you get my point.

In my research to do my image (yes, I did some!) I'm sad to say that although there are plenty of liberal Muslims, I couldn't recognise any of them and nor would anybody here! I chose Ataturk primarily because he is recognisable in most of Europe. I also found some of the US websites I came across to be distinctly worrying. There's an awful lot of Islamophobia being peddled over there. I had a lot of trouble finding similar UK sites, which I found gently reassuring.

I also find many Europeans' fear of Turkey and its potential membership of the EU to be... interesting.
(clopinettes, Sun 21 Oct 2007, 13:37, archived)
# Anything written by Nick Cohen...
in the last 6 years is a good start...
(snooo, Sun 21 Oct 2007, 22:25, archived)
# This is a bit profound for b3ta
but rather woo all the same

</relurks>
(DrNibdy, Sun 21 Oct 2007, 13:24, archived)
# Just...
...brilliant.
(emadex thinks the world will end on, Sun 21 Oct 2007, 15:46, archived)
# Quite simply


Excellent!
Click.

(I helped save b3ta! Hummel Who died and made you....oh wait...., Sun 21 Oct 2007, 16:44, archived)
# yes
(I helped save b3ta! oCo, Mon 22 Oct 2007, 7:48, archived)
# but let's not mention Kofi Annan's moral lapses
Posted via the evil infidel internet.
(clut, Tue 23 Oct 2007, 8:37, archived)