Art
Favourite artist? Is it all crap made by charlatans? Could your three year old do a better job?

Discuss.
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:04, 154 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

Damien Hirst's earlier work is pretty damned good- the colour maps and so forth.
But the cow, sheep etc? Clearly taking the piss. And don't get me started on Tracey Emin...

Incidentally, I just found this and couldn't help but laugh a little:

www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/12/johann-hari-suspended-independent
(The Luggage is haunted..., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:08, Reply)

Tracey Emin's work is rather like marmite as far as liking it is concerned
but within art history and contemporary culture she's an amazing artist.
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:11, Reply)

she's a fucking twat though

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:12, Reply)

In what way?

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:12, Reply)

because of her personality

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:21, Reply)

... and ... ?
Christ ... this is like getting a mongoloid to choose a flavour of fucking ice cream.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:29, Reply)

I've met her and agree wholeheartedly

( Peej, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:13, Reply)

I entirely agree
however, she does have huge boobs.
( Kroney, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:27, Reply)

Go on then ... get started on Tracy Emin.
I saw a retrospective of her work in Amsterdam about ten years ago and it was really fucking excellent.

Also, it's Damien Hirst (that's "Hirst"), and the colour maps came after the preserved animals.

edit: you fucking idiot ... sorry ... how very remiss of me
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:11, Reply)

She's shit.
Alarmingly good tits for a woman with such a repellent face, though.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:13, Reply)

I like the way you have avoided any material criticism on her technique, background or meaning and instead rendered your appreciation down to a single syllable profanity.
A more naive person might think this means you have nothing to actually say about her or her work.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:16, Reply)

I find Monty's opinion to be a work of art in itself
its a post modern ironic opinion and will win the turner prize this year.
( Peej, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:18, Reply)

She's a common, drunken, repulsive old tart.
Her spasticated beakering elicits nothing but sympathy from me. I think she should be in a fucking home.

PS Her background is 'scum from Kent', and the grotty old hag revels in it instead of being ashamed as she should be.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:24, Reply)

Plus she has excellent tits.

( Kroney, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:28, Reply)

She looks like a definite space-docking fan. You can just tell.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:30, Reply)

Sorry Monty, she's far too ugly for me to let
one of my works of arts anywhere near her Constable's hayrick.
( Kroney, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:32, Reply)

Oi!
My Dad's from Kent, be nice.
(The Luggage is haunted..., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:29, Reply)

Half my daughter's family are.
Mind you, they are repulsive oiks.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:33, Reply)

So it's just the same tired snobbery and sexism that's behind most criticism of her then?
Fair enough.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:30, Reply)

I think her dad's foreign as well.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:31, Reply)

Says the guy calling someone pig thick because of their opinion on a single piece of art

( Peej, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:32, Reply)

Yes.
I called you thick on the basis of you expressing a thick opinion.

The only thing I have to go on is text. When the content of the text is thick, the only conclusion I can draw is that the writer of the text is thick.

What bearing does that have on what I said?
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:39, Reply)

Thats fine
You are quite entitled to make sweeping statements about me without knowing anything about me. Just the same as I am entitled to have reactionary thoughts about a piece of art.
( Peej, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:15, Reply)

Ohhh. Emmmm. Geeee!
Can this be real? Can I actually be AGREEING with Dr. Shambolic?!!

;-)
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:14, Reply)

I'm sure we've agreed before.
I can call you a dog bummer if it's making you feel uncomfortable?
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:16, Reply)

That's better

( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:18, Reply)

I'm referring to a couple of her works that stand out in my eye
Namely the unmade bed and the tent thing with the names of all the people she claimed to have slept with.

Is this art?

Then again, the broader question for me is are these pieces put together to make us question the notion of what is art, or are they just shit?
(The Luggage is haunted..., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:28, Reply)

So you've not actually seen any of her work and have plucked your opinion out of tabloids.
Fair play.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:31, Reply)

Actually, no.
I just don't like her work as it doesn't appeal to me, and those are the first two memorable ones for me. The language used to describe some of her works is incredibly annoying to me personally as well, and makes me want to smash my monitor.

The same goes for Eva Rothschild. Yes, some of her art is stark, and brutal.

One of her sculptures (Hot Touch) also happens to look like a giant climbing frame.
(The Luggage is haunted..., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:35, Reply)

Right. So where and when did you see "the tent thing"?
And how did you manage to so completely misunderstand what it was?
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:37, Reply)

Oh I'm sorry, I don't have a 100% perfect memory, nor can I be arsed to put in research for what passes for idle chat on the internet.
Fuck off and drown in a ditch, you tedious spastic.
(The Luggage is haunted..., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:41, Reply)

OK. So you never saw it.
There's no need to get defensive. You've made a bit of a tit of yourself on the internet. It's not the end of the world.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:45, Reply)

Never will now.
I understand the point of it, I understand what she was trying to do. Do I like it? No.
(The Luggage is haunted..., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:47, Reply)

EVERYBODY EVERYWHERE HAS TO LOVE TRACY EMIN'S ARTWORK BECAUSE SHAMBLES ONCE SAW SOME STUFF THAT SHE DONE AND THOUGHT IT WAS ALRIGHT.
Christ all mighty, I thought you were cleverer than to diss someone's _opinion_ on something like 'art'.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:30, Reply)

He didn't express an opinion.
He said "don't get me started".
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:40, Reply)

read carefully.
He's not slagging their opinion as much as generally attacking slightly lazy sterotypes.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:40, Reply)

I suppose it's deeply shallow that the biggest problem I have with Tracey Emin is that she's fuck-ugly

(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:13, Reply)

Is she uglier than your girlfriend?
Only I heard a rumour that your girlfriend is a pigfucker's worst nightmare.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:14, Reply)

I heard a rumour that you're a troll to be ignored at all costs
Although your attempted seduction of FreeFair the other night did make me laugh, points for that.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:24, Reply)

Good ignoring there

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:28, Reply)

Nobody on this fucking place knows what the word "troll" means.
You might as well listen to their rumours about a breakthrough in particle physics.

Does that mean your bird is a complete fucking fright?
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:28, Reply)

Actually, she's pretty damned fit.
I would, for what it is worth.
(The Luggage is haunted..., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:29, Reply)

Yeah ... but most of the people on here think McDonald's is a treat.
Pardon me if I don't take your tweenage lust as much of a recommendation.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:33, Reply)

McDonald's, in all fairness, is bloody tasty.
It also has the unfortunate side effect of making me fart. A lot.
(The Luggage is haunted..., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:37, Reply)

You horrible pleb.
Fuck off to ITV3
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:43, Reply)

The meaning of troll has changed a lot.
I remember when all this were fields, etc.

Trolls didn't come back.
( Kroney, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:30, Reply)

She's far to hot for Darth
Much like my Missus is far too hot for an ugly fucker like me. I know what Troll means too, its one of them things what jump up at the Billy Goats Gruff innit.
( Peej, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:31, Reply)

She's not very attractive

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:32, Reply)

Ah well.
It's nice that he's found somebody. It elevates him above most of the couch-frotters here.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:35, Reply)

I think all editors are circling the wagons at the moment.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:15, Reply)

My three year old is only two.
I put it to you that your question is flawed and that you must therefore be some awful sort of bastard.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:08, Reply)

A trip to the British Museum will confirm that Phidias knew his stuff, a trip down the road to the Tate modern will confirm that the majority of the content is fucking crap

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:09, Reply)

Phidias bummed dogs.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:13, Reply)

What's not to like about him

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:17, Reply)

Phidias kept to the rules of the classical period
Tate Modern is full of 20th century art which, if properly examined proves to be mostly rather excellent.
It is possible to like or at the very least, appreciate both periods.
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:13, Reply)

The Tate Modern was great when I went with Noel in January.
Loved it.
(Poppet some assembly required., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:14, Reply)

Not if you're me it's not.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:15, Reply)

Really?
A video of some twat bollock naked slapping himself in the face represents the best that the 21st century can offer...
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:16, Reply)

It actually does.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:18, Reply)

that and N-dubz, cruel world indeed

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:21, Reply)

No. That was the best that performance art of the 70s could offer
Apart from the blokes pissing in each other's mouths.
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:19, Reply)

Also Phidias didn't keep to the rules, he bust them a new arsehole

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:23, Reply)

Okay, strictly speaking, Phidias made a new set of rules
as he shifted Greek art from the archaic period which was stylised and more concerned with religion and ritual to the high classical period which, while stylised, is more realistic. Still a set of very strict rules though - no ugly people, for example.
And all the blokes were busting arseholes then. That was their culture.
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:26, Reply)

Nah that was frowned upon, leg jizzing was their thing
At least they always had plenty of fat chicks as well
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:28, Reply)

Question- how do you know all this?
More importantly, what prompted you to find out?
(The Luggage is haunted..., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:45, Reply)

Yeah. The dirty bastard and his interest in things.
Why can't he just play computer games and eat burgers like a normal person?
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:47, Reply)

The sexual mores of Ancient Greece?
A pretty niche interest, but if it floats his trireme, good for him.
(The Luggage is haunted..., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:52, Reply)

I just found out today that Artists have been painting genetic diseases and malformations for thousands of years,
and doing so to such an extent and accuracy that today, we can tell exactly what kind of disease that subject had. I thought that was pretty damn cool.
My favourite artist is Van Gogh. And my favourite painting is his one of the apple blossoms that he did for his brother. Noel gave me a full size print that's hanging on my wall above my bed. I love it.
(Poppet some assembly required., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:13, Reply)

I like Henderson Cisz' cityscape stuff
the older ones, not the new ones.

There's a bloke who sits outside Greenwich market who produces some great stuff.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:13, Reply)

Art can be magnificent
Even though I was only about 9, when I saw Michaelangelo's David, it was incredible, breathtaking even. Then when you see an unmade bed being classed as 'art', you have to wonder where the fuck when things went so wrong?
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:15, Reply)

Emin's unmade bed is a continuation of art history
Particularly where paintings of domestic scenes are concerned. Her bed is the updated version of the Dutch masters.
Just sayin'
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:21, Reply)

Only devoid of any remarkable executional skill.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:22, Reply)

Really?
Depends what you mean by executional skill....
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:27, Reply)

I suppose it does.
How are you today, anyway?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:29, Reply)

^ This is almost certainly the nub of the argument
One's reaction to a work of art will always be entirely subjective. The biggest difference between "classic" and modern art is, it seems, the executional skill involved. Whether or not you are moved by Michaelangelo's David, or the Piéta, etc, you've only got to look at them to admit that some guy put a metric fuckload of effort and study into those pieces to make them what they are. Conversely, Emin's bed did not require a great deal of ostensible effort. This is not to say it's "bad" or "not art." I don't care for it myself, but I can see that some people do; the difference is that it doesn't have the defence of having been a challenging undertaking.

It's the same line of reasoning as comparing Bach's Brandenburg Concertos with John Peel's favourite record, Teenage Kicks by The Undertones: you might not like either of them, but you can't deny that the Bach demonstrates a lot more thought, effort and musical understanding than a sloppy three-chord punk song. Question is: whilst an abundance of executional skill is a good defence to fall back on, does a lack of demonstrable executional skill make it bad*? Are you dismissing it for the wrong reasons?



*_{Well, in the case of Teenage Kicks, it's the fact that it's a shit song that makes it bad. For the life of me, I really cannot see what somebody who listened to as much music as Peel saw in that pathetic whiny cunt Sharkie and his shite band of shitehawks.}
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:00, Reply)

Oi!
*loves the Undertones*
( girlinthehole, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:09, Reply)

Bah, were this said by anyone else, I'd find it easy to ignore
But as it is you, I suppose I must concede the point.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:23, Reply)

My bed is unmade most mornings, and then I make it
I'm a fucking dutch master me
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:24, Reply)

I put some flowers in a vase the other day AND fruit in a bowl

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:25, Reply)

Then I wore a funny hat

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:26, Reply)

Needs LESS EAR

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:28, Reply)

Post Impressionist

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:29, Reply)

I've never looked at it like that
I still think she's a bellend though
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:50, Reply)

I like Caravaggio.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:16, Reply)

He is ace.

( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:21, Reply)

Egon Shiele.
Cause I'm a tortured soul innit.
( girlinthehole, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:16, Reply)

And you like skinny ginger birds.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:17, Reply)

Could be.

( girlinthehole, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:18, Reply)

I cannot see that name without thinking of the stupid fucking smug face Egon pulls in Ghostbusters 2
I'm not even sure why it irritates me so much...
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:18, Reply)

Tony Hart
Not so keen on Neil Buchanan
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:17, Reply)

I'll tell him you said that
He and my brother will batter you!
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:18, Reply)

haha

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:21, Reply)

He was alright in No. 73
Why is your brother such a defender of Buchanan's work?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:22, Reply)

Tis an old meme, don't worry about it

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:22, Reply)

Things like the glass of water are just pretentious
Oh but it makes you think! Yeh it makes me think you're a pretentious twat and its a glass of water not a tree.

Art that I like, I like buildings, some old buildings are works of art in themselves. Look up when your walking through London and you notice just how much effort has gone in to some of them and no-one even notices.
( Peej, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:17, Reply)

The second best thing about conceptual art is that it annoys pig-thick reactionary wankers.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:19, Reply)

Yeah personal taste that differs from yours is really fucking stupid and for wankers.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:22, Reply)

He's right though, he knows all about me, my education, qualifications and job
so he is definitely qualified to call me pig thick based on my opinion of a glass of water.
( Peej, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:23, Reply)

Haha. Why would I make any effort to guess the education of a reactionary prick?

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:26, Reply)

You having fun trolling us all then?
Wow, your life must be really full, interesting and full of worthwhile and fulfilling relationships to waste your time on a computer annoying people you're never going to meet. Do you treat your children the same way?
(The Luggage is haunted..., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:39, Reply)

I'm talking on a messageboard.
You're talking on a messageboard.

If you want to jump to silly conclusions based on that then I'm afraid you're going to have to apply them to yourself too.

And that isn't trolling. Does nobody actually know what trolling is on here?
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:42, Reply)

It's alright over here, Shambles.
they just aren't used to you.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:44, Reply)

They need a bit of wind up 'em.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:45, Reply)

Having seen your Yellow potrait I can see why you love art sooooooooooooo much.

( girlinthehole, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:48, Reply)

They'll send their therapist bills to you.

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:49, Reply)

I find you hugely entertaining, personally.
Plus I'm hoping I can sell you some 'art' if I get you 'on side'.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:49, Reply)

Me first Monty
I think I've finally found a buyer for my latest piece "Turd In Ashtray".
(Reverend Fister "a disciplined fuckwit", Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:10, Reply)

Ad hominem attacks, jumping to silly conclusions, attempting to get a rise out of people.
Yeah I'd say it was trolling.
(The Luggage is haunted..., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:45, Reply)

he really isn't, you know.
honest.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:46, Reply)

trolling b3ta

FFS
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:46, Reply)

He's not trolling.
If he's anything, he's flaming. But this is B3ta, not mumsnet. It's to be expected.
( Kroney, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:50, Reply)

^this

( girlinthehole, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:51, Reply)

Thissety thiss thiss thiss

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:07, Reply)

Hello Rootz
In honour of the subject of this thread I perused my b3tards account. Did you ever end up using those animated GIFs I made you?
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:08, Reply)

Verily, I did not.
I'm hoping one day their shining moment will come.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:14, Reply)

I'd forgotten about them completely

( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:15, Reply)

I haven't.

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:17, Reply)

"you're a pretentious twat" is not an expression of taste
It's a big flashing neon sign above the head of a reactionary thickoid.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:25, Reply)

And I think I've found my new sig

( Peej, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:34, Reply)

either you've got a stutter or you need one less "a"

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:38, Reply)

Thank you

( Peej, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:53, Reply)

Hahahahaah!

( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:22, Reply)

Why does it make you think "you're a pretentious twat" ?

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:34, Reply)

Why must every thought someone has have a why?
I went to the Tate, I saw it, and that is the reaction I had. Some reactions are positive, some negative and everyone has different reactions to things, perhaps my reaction further strengthens the argument that it is in fact art.
( Peej, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:08, Reply)

I find that the more famous a person gets the less they have to try
Hirst could piss in a pint glass and people would call it art.
( Peej, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:20, Reply)

Same with Banksy

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:22, Reply)

I really liked some of his stuff
Particually the painted holes in the Isreali wall, but agree that the bigger the name there seems to be an element of laziness... I would say it goes back to the populist vs popular.
Or is it that when you examine thisng like the Bed thing or her Tent you look at them and think "well I could do that" forgetting that you didnt?

(by You I mean the general publlic)
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:31, Reply)

banksy would need to piss through a stencil into a pint glass, though.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:33, Reply)

Not really sure I have a favourite artist as such
I did like that mental kid who drew cityscapes though. That was cool
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:27, Reply)

JW Waterhouse

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:28, Reply)

Bugger
I've got to go out. This discussion will be over when I get back. Boo.

Enjoy, people! :)
( chickenlady b3ta's very own Elizabeth Taylor, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:28, Reply)

*leaves internet to stalk further*

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:29, Reply)

You won't miss anything.
Shambolic will spout venom for a while and then go off to play with his winky.
( girlinthehole, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:32, Reply)

This is venom?
Jesus. This place used to have bollocks. Where did all these fucking nancies come from?
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:34, Reply)

NanciesRus.

( girlinthehole, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:35, Reply)

Fucking east europeans coming over here and turning our messageboards into tearful fucking counselling sessions.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:36, Reply)

I ain't no nancy

( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:40, Reply)

I like Banksy and Chris (Simpsons Artist)

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:31, Reply)

Art is for cunts.

( Kroney, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:37, Reply)

Vajazzle!

(The Luggage is haunted..., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:40, Reply)

There was this thing that was quite cool, it had a long table filled with blenders with goldfish on, to see if people would press the button.
But I didn't like the one with the dog chained up where people were asked not to feed it and it died of hunger (I'm not 100% sure if that was some sort of urban legend).
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:41, Reply)

much like the rape tunnel.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:45, Reply)

Oh now that's definitely real.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:48, Reply)

We hope.

(The Luggage is haunted..., Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:49, Reply)

at the very least it would be an excellent conceptual legal defence.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:51, Reply)

steady, now
not everything the Charlatans did was crap.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:56, Reply)

North Country Boy was crap and that's the only one I know by them

( Bill Clay a.k.a. Claudio, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:00, Reply)

The proper Charlatans from San Francisco were superb. Their tune 'Codine' is fucking great.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:01, Reply)

Their only real defence
is that their lead singer's solo project was even more offensively shit than their regular output.
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:02, Reply)

What is art?
It's shit. There's your answer.
(Barry from Eastenders is, despite the words written above, not a woman, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 10:57, Reply)

What an interesting and fulfilling life you must lead
Chop chop I'll have fries with that you cunt
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:09, Reply)

OK so it seems many people have an opinion on artworks or artists
based on what they see in the news or the few "controversial" pieces they see, i.e sharks in formaldehyde or tents with the names of people they have slept with or even glasses of water that are actually trees.

And its terribly unfair to have an opinion on any of these artwork or people without A. Knowing about art, B. Knowing what the artist was trying to convey and C. Knowing about all the artists other works.

Therefore I take back my reaction that the iconic conceptual artwork "The Oak Tree" is pretentious and my thoughts that Michael Craig-Martin is a pretentious twat.

Uninteresting fact, the "Oak Tree" in the Tate isn't the original artwork but an artists copy, meaning he filled an identical glass with water and stuck it on a shelf.
( Peej, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:05, Reply)

apparently it isn't acceptable to think someone is a fucking twat
based on the interviews you have seen and read with them, where they come across as a fucking twat.

who would've thought?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 13 Jul 2011, 11:56, Reply)

I don't do art, because I'm a cold-hearted prick.
Escher has always intrigued me, and Carmack and his team also.
(Me, I'm not... in any way intoxicated, Thu 14 Jul 2011, 18:49, Reply)