Apart from Monty, who bases his opinions on these types as laid down in Mein Kampf
Why do any of you care what happens to to these people? I think I've seen one person previously mention that they might live near to this or a similar site, but everyone else seems to be foaming at the mouth about something that does not directly affect them in any way.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:24, 6 replies, latest was 15 years ago)

It does actually set a dangerous precedant on planning law
and whether or not it can be enforced. In the UK our law is based on cases, so if a judge says someone is legally allowed to something, anyone else can cite this as a precedent and be allowed to do it too.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:26, Reply)

They are in the process of changing planning law anyway.
But that seems a reasonable response.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:28, Reply)

The changes to planning law
are a massive pile of shit waiting to hit an enormous fan, but any changes would take around 3 years to implement and I doubt they would be retrospective and therefore that has nothing to do with this case.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:32, Reply)

Ahh, the voice of reasoned indifference
For this I shall buy you a pint on Saturday if you are coming.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:26, Reply)

Sadly no
I was hoping to show my face, but my wife seems to think that I should do things with my family rather than with strangers off the internet.
Weird eh?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:29, Reply)

How odd.
We're not strangers once we've met.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:31, Reply)

Very weird
and showing a lack of backbone on your part. I rescheduled my son this weekend, in order to attend.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:31, Reply)

That's PROPER that is.
I take back all I said about New Cross Gate.

*crosses fingers*

How are you getting over there?
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:33, Reply)

On the train I guess, I have checked my passport in preparation.
Actually I haven't looked at the location yet, just figured "it's london I'll manage"
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:37, Reply)

To Montys Bar, Overground from your stop to Shoreditch High St. 5 min walk.
Take 35 mins I reckon.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:39, Reply)

*feels stalked*
OK then I guess that's how I'm going.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:40, Reply)

*don't*
I merely know you live near an Overground station and that there's one a 5min walk from the Bar.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:42, Reply)

*draws curtains*
OK then. anyway, if it's there then all is good. Well except having to go to shoreditch.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:47, Reply)

Oh, I always thought you were a girl. Donno why.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:33, Reply)

This is the internet.
We're all slightly rabid.

but also, what al said.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:27, Reply)

That's good enough for me.
And with that, I'm off home..
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:31, Reply)

the casual racism directed at the gypsies bothers me much more than the illegal building does

(DeeDee, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:31, Reply)

They are not a race

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:33, Reply)

This^
There is a reason why the Irish Government won't recognise them as a new racial group.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:34, Reply)

If they were, they'd come last in it.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:34, Reply)

well, whatever prejudice it is then

(DeeDee, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:34, Reply)

I might entitle my autobiography
'Pride in Prejudice'
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:45, Reply)

It's very formal racism on my part.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:33, Reply)

I have put my back into this racism.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:34, Reply)

do you wear your best Hugo Boss suit for it?

(DeeDee, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:38, Reply)

Damn right I do.
I don't get many opportunities to dust it off these days, since political correctness went mad. I don't know. What's the world coming to?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:39, Reply)

A gyppo caravan site?

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:41, Reply)

*sighs*
It certainly seems that way.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:41, Reply)

Actual quotes from an email conversation I had with a friend about this.
"I think the point is more they are non-contributing members of society who arguably cause various hassle to contributing members of society and all we seem to do is make their life easier, for free. "

"They are an extremely selfish people who have no regard for anyone outside their shut off backwards community. "

She's... slightly right wing.
(PsychoChomp, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:34, Reply)

She might well be slightly right wing
but in this particular instance, she isn't far off the money. There are some people who live in caravans and happily move from site to site, leaving them in a tidy fashion and not causing any bother to anyone.

They are these people: www.caravanclub.co.uk/
(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:40, Reply)

This^
/pandering
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:34, Reply)

She's either engaged or married, not worth it.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:38, Reply)

*shrugs*
Not actually trying to get in her knickers you understand, looks rather too young anyways, but I do tend to agree on this point.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:39, Reply)

Haha
This is why it pisses me off!
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:40, Reply)

She doesn't even have a facebook.
I'm going to presume she looks like eaither Nancy From Hollyoaks as a default.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:41, Reply)

More like a young Davina Macall.
if memory serves.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:45, Reply)

ha, that's a new one.
I'm usually told its either Avril Lavigne, or Zoe Slater from Eastenders, which I think is just from having long brown hair really
(DeeDee, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:47, Reply)

YOU AIN'T MY MUVVA!

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:50, Reply)

Well, obviously.
She's alive for a start.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:50, Reply)

Haha, oof.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:54, Reply)

I did wonder briefly if that was going too far

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:55, Reply)

Not to worry, I believe Al still has the monopoly on that.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:56, Reply)

Well, yes, this seems fair.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:57, Reply)

It was a truly magnificent post that won him the crown.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:59, Reply)

I think I vaguely remember.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:00, Reply)

No harm in posting it again
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:03, Reply)

I'm open to further pictures, to give a more balanced opinion, you understand

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:50, Reply)

I'll bear that in mind

(DeeDee, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:53, Reply)

*insert standard pervy comment*
I must be getting old, I can't be bothered any more.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:56, Reply)

What, what? You look like Avril Lavigne or Zoe Slater?
I don't get it, that's a bit like saying that I look a bit like Will Smith and Will Young.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:54, Reply)

well, I don't think I actually look like either of them,
I just have long brown hair
(DeeDee, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:58, Reply)

Ohh, ok.
I think you should post a photo of yourself sitting on top of the washingmachine with the spincycle set to 40 degrees on eco wash with a load weighing in no more than 25kg.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:01, Reply)

Thanks guys (!)

(DeeDee, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:41, Reply)

Don't worry. I'll protect you.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:43, Reply)

By sheilding their face with your cock.

(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:43, Reply)

Does she have a particularly small face?

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:51, Reply)

it's about 1cm wide and 5cm long.

(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:56, Reply)

That big? Wow!
I can only dream of such girth.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:58, Reply)

Think nothing of it.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:45, Reply)

Despite the fact that you're all hooked up, I completely agree with you.
www.jewify.org/
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:39, Reply)

Gonz, you've posted that before
but it's not even remotely comparable to say that the news stories about this group of "Irish Travellers" are the same as anti-sematism.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:42, Reply)

Also, can you knock one of those up that changes the words" causes cancer" into "turns you black"
because that would be very relevant to the argument I'm having with people about the negative view of cancer in the press.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:45, Reply)

Yeah', but I have no idea the point of it.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:50, Reply)

The thing is though, not all travelers and gypsies are tax avoiding and law breaking scum.
And saying "I'm not saying _all_ of them are like that, but the ones who I've delt with all are" seems to me like an attempt at a get-out clause.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:48, Reply)

Only if it's not true.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:50, Reply)

Have you meet a fair representation then?

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:51, Reply)

I used to live next to a farm load in Fawkham Green in Kent.
Unpleasant they are too.

Some are OK but the rest (and there are more than enough bad apples) are anti-social, thieving buggers.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:58, Reply)

Oh, I guess it's like how I think all black people are hooligons because I live near Wood Green.

( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:02, Reply)

In this particular instance Gonz
the council built a school for all these kids. It has almost the worst attendance record out of all the schools in the country.

Do you not think that if this particular group of irish people (they are not gypsys) were really keen to appreciate all the things the council is willing to do for them, they would not be making sure their kids always went to school?
(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:56, Reply)

But that's the thing, this group of people, they maybe scum, they maybe thick, they maybe horrible examples of humanity.
But what they're not, is _every_ traveler there is.
( G/PP 💩💩💩💩💩&#128, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:07, Reply)

And I never said they were.
But of the stories on that page you linked to, two are about the Dale Farm camp so you have to refer to them as travellers, two are about plans in other countries which are actually condemning the actions taken against travellers, one is about a criminal gang of travellers who took driving tests for other travellers, how else are you going to report that story without referring to travellers? The one about Tessa Jowell is a story about how a group of travellers moved onto a site without planning permission.

So i'm questioning the relevance of the argument about comparing use of the word traveller to the word jew?
(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:21, Reply)

<3 u

( rosalicious i fucking love youve been framed, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:31, Reply)

ive removed 'friends' from my fb for this
my entire family on my dads side are travellers, but apparently its just me who's ok. err, fuck off
( rosalicious i fucking love youve been framed, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:30, Reply)

Oh is that why you deleted me and then called me creepy?

(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:33, Reply)

srsly, get over it

( rosalicious i fucking love youve been framed, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:34, Reply)

this is the only other reference I have ever made to that event. The first being an obvious joke.
I think I'm over it love.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:37, Reply)

nice one

( rosalicious i fucking love youve been framed, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:54, Reply)

No wuzzers

(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:55, Reply)

Are you joking?
Do you really take no interest in anything outside your personal world?
( G/PP &#128169;&#128169;&#128169;&#128169;&#128169;&#128, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:34, Reply)

If I may speak for my beardy colleague in indifference
It's not just that it's that I don'y like either side, so happy to see them fight it out.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:42, Reply)

Bit of a late response...
It is not that I am indifferent to this, or any other news story. It's just this story tends to bring out strong opinions in people you might not expect to hear them from.
It's like immigration - the majority of those who live in fear of it generally have little or no experience of it.
Oh, and I'm not a girl, although I think you have already worked that out...
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:55, Reply)

I'm fairly sure that the people at the site will not be paying rent or tax
As I am paying both, I'm pissed off that they've found a way to get away with it, and I haven't!
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:37, Reply)

But I likely pay more tax than you.
Does that mean you are my bitch?
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:40, Reply)

No.
And it's likely that everyone on here who earns pays more tax than I do, but it's still a pain in the arse that I have to, and they aren't.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:41, Reply)

Well it's a pain to me you don'pay as much as I do.
To me, you fall in the same category as a non-paying gyppo.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:43, Reply)

My monthly tax deductions make me cry a little bit

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:47, Reply)

Mine make me vomit.
Nearly 2 grand last month.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:49, Reply)

Ouch...although if you pay that every month then you can't be too hard off
So why do you live in lewisham?
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:52, Reply)

The question I avoided asking.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:54, Reply)

It's not cheap where I live.
Two bed house is 300 grand.

I am recently divorced.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:56, Reply)

Sorry to hear that/pleased you escaped
delete and appropriate.

It seems know is cheap anymore, unless you brave the cultural desert of the North
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:00, Reply)

I could move out of town and buy somewhere nice. I might yet.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:01, Reply)

We are looking Hants, Berks, Sussex
which are not cheap counties, but i could still get a little cottage with a garden for the price of my flat...but then where do i work? Commuting costs a fortune and I'd have to kill myself if I worked in 'Reading' or 'basingstoke' etc
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:04, Reply)

It's likely I don't pay as much because I don't earn as much.

( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:49, Reply)

That's the North for you, or you are just a bit shit

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:50, Reply)

Stuck in a shit industry
But it's shown itself to be utterly recession proof, so whilst I'm not exactly earning a great wage, I can be certain that I'm not going to lose my job anytime soon.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:55, Reply)

True.
I was just highlighting the irrational link between paying rent/tax and disliking/feeling hard done by them.

Much better to hate them because they smell and talk funny.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:55, Reply)

I dislike people on very high salaries
who pay a smaller percentage of their income in tax than I do.
(Bazongaloid, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:57, Reply)

Me too. It's fucking criminal.
And companies like Vodafone that pile all their money offshore. See Barclays, Tesco etc etc.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 17:00, Reply)

No, if you pay tax at all, you're all equal, doesn't matter how much you earn in ratio to what you pay because the system is whatever the system is.
It's those who aren't paying anything that you can look down on, however, if you want to have degrees of rightous indignation, the more you pay into the system (in ratio to work done), the more you can look down on them.
( G/PP &#128169;&#128169;&#128169;&#128169;&#128169;&#128, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:44, Reply)

Rubbish.
The system is not equitable.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Mon 26 Sep 2011, 16:45, Reply)