b3ta.com board
You are not logged in. Login or Signup
Home » Messageboard » XXX » Message 9018897 (Thread)

# This one's for the Greater Manchester Future Transport committee.
(I helped save b3ta! Mike Fishcake teamfishcake.co.uk - better than your mum's face, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 15:59, archived)
# Gosh, there's been a lot of stomping about all this.
Haven't people got legs and public transport any more?
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:00, archived)
# If Leeds went with a Congestion Charge - I'd be screwed for getting to work
and would have to give up my job, due to not being able to afford to get there. Public Transport does not facilitate my getting to work

I could do it, but it would take 2 1/2 hours a day, and cost more than my monthly fuel bill

:(
(I helped save b3ta! bilbobarneybobs I'll be 14 in b3ta years soon., Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:03, archived)
# Ah, right, fair enough.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:05, archived)
# don't get me wrong, I'd love to be able to hop on a bus, or even better, walk or cycle, it's just not feasible
(I helped save b3ta! bilbobarneybobs I'll be 14 in b3ta years soon., Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:07, archived)
# Why not - Have you had both legs removed?
(I helped save b3ta! Wobbly Bloke Hello, did I miss anything on, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:13, archived)
# Fair Enough...
* I see what you did there...
(I helped save b3ta! Wobbly Bloke Hello, did I miss anything on, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:13, archived)
# sounds like living in London

(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:10, archived)
# ^ this.
But then I've only got a 9 minute tube ride to work.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:18, archived)
# I live in edinburgh
and rosy cheeked buxom lassies carry me to work on a throne while they take it in turns to vigorously fellate me. It normally takes between 20 and 25 minutes.
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:20, archived)
# it's how EVERYONE travels in Edinburgh
... aside from the underclass of rosy cheeked buxom lassies
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:25, archived)
# Exactly.
It wouldn't affect me *that* badly, but there are plenty of people it would. It's nowhere near as clear cut as a lot of people think it is.
(I helped save b3ta! Mike Fishcake teamfishcake.co.uk - better than your mum's face, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:12, archived)
# It sometimes takes me 2 hours to get to work by bus.
I bloody hate it but it's the cheapest way to get in.
:(
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:17, archived)
# Apparently not
I'm a busdriver - you'd think we were the most evil people in the world anybody think we had a right to drive down a "Bus Lane" and park safely at a... wait for it... "Bus Stop" or even dread of dread actually go through a (what scientists like to call) "Bus Gate" without having to avoid hitting some idiot short cutting in the opposite direction...
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:05, archived)
# Hurrah for buses
I use them very often. Lovely, it is.

Well done to you for being a bus driver, I've seen some of your lot deal with some right pricks.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:07, archived)
# Yes the job is a bit hit and miss - depending on my driving ;)
I was assaulted twice in 2 weeks by these pricks simply because I refused to turn the other cheek and let them ride for free and because I dared to challenge them I get them throwing punches at me. The first threw an out of date daysaver at me then ran upstairs then 2 weeks later a man who made a big deal about where he was getting off - decided to over ride - I simply informed him that to go further will cost him more money he punched me with a tin of beans in his hand. After all this what did my company (First) say to me - "Don't challenge passengers!" well excuse me that is my job or do you expect people to ride free because that is fine by me.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:12, archived)
# What a fucking cunt.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:13, archived)
# Urgh :/
I really do despair of my species sometimes
(I helped save b3ta! Jessie © needs pirate name suggestions, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:20, archived)
# First are pricks!
aicmfhp
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:24, archived)
# This is true
although they pay better than the others.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:28, archived)
# I have nothing but respect for the nice bus drivers.
Sure, some of them are cunts, but you get that in all walks of life.

I have no problem with using public transport, it's just the methods that Greater Manchester Future Transport have used to promote this.

Impartial? My fucking arse.

If they listened to all the other ideas that people had put across for improving public transport, then perhaps we'd have had a yes vote today.

Anyway, I've blabbered on about this enough in the past few months. Just going to enjoy the result now.
(I helped save b3ta! Mike Fishcake teamfishcake.co.uk - better than your mum's face, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:11, archived)
# Tubes like futurama, that's what you need.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:11, archived)
# Oh yeah!
I'd pay good money to travel to work like that :D
(I helped save b3ta! Mike Fishcake teamfishcake.co.uk - better than your mum's face, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:12, archived)
# ha!
nonsence clearly the buss lane is for people who eat crunchy nut
(I helped save b3ta! Jamnog Sardines in her eyebrows, lobsters up and down, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:15, archived)
# HPPY BT DY
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:17, archived)
# thankya
(I helped save b3ta! Jamnog Sardines in her eyebrows, lobsters up and down, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:19, archived)
# Ah yes this is true
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:18, archived)
# I like to imagine
people saying get'im while pointing at a screen.
however there are no bus lanes near me as I am a rural type. but if there was one, I would not park in it.
(I helped save b3ta! Jamnog Sardines in her eyebrows, lobsters up and down, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:22, archived)
# Happy prolonged b3taday.:P
(I helped save b3ta! riverghost servicing your mum since, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:19, archived)
# I have a theroy
yeah time goes three times as slow of me cause i am from jupitur. so i get fthree cakes
(I helped save b3ta! Jamnog Sardines in her eyebrows, lobsters up and down, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:23, archived)
# That demands beeg cayke!
(I helped save b3ta! riverghost servicing your mum since, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:25, archived)
# HAPPY 4TH B3TADAY!!
:D
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:25, archived)
# ...and I'm a PC
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:16, archived)
# I yam enviromentalist
And the conjestion charge is a great concept. Unfortunately environmental issues are not what it's ther for. It's ther to generate profit. I'm slap bang in the middle of the London CC.
(I helped save b3ta! riverghost servicing your mum since, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:17, archived)
# Before the congestion charge I refused to drive into London because of the traffic
Since the congestion charge I refuse to drive into London because of the congestion charge.

So it hasn't really affected me. Really.
(I helped save b3ta! Barbarossa is not my real name, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:22, archived)
# hahaha
The idea is great, the people profiting from it isn't.
Unfortunately I'm slapbang in the middle of the extention, except the extention ingludes the entire area except my street. The traffic and the accidents have quadrupled since it's advent.
The secret if you're approaching from the west of London is to drive into Acton with is relatively safe for parking and free to park and just get the tube in the little way from there.
(I helped save b3ta! riverghost servicing your mum since, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:26, archived)
# Luckily I live to the south just past Gatwick Airport, with a very good rail link...
(I helped save b3ta! Barbarossa is not my real name, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:29, archived)
# I bet you do you saucy minx you:P
(I helped save b3ta! riverghost servicing your mum since, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:35, archived)
# To be fair
more accidents per mile than any other road user and responsible for a whopping 74% of motor vehicle related bicycle accidents might not mean that YOU are a bad driver, but does kind of point at bus drivers generally being cunts.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 17:36, archived)
# Well there was a vote
But it was obviously going to have nothing with the voters and everything to do wit the corporations what would benefit from it.
(I helped save b3ta! riverghost servicing your mum since, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:00, archived)
# I'm not surpised they voted against it
Who in their right mind would pay every time they got a blocked nose?
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:00, archived)
# I would like the government to charge me for nose congestion
in order to persuade me to be more careful not to catch colds, since I don't know what's best for me.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:04, archived)
# SRSLY felix
your really don't want a cold, you should be aspiring to 'flu at least.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:09, archived)
# Thank goodness, an all-knowing authority to provide me with guidance and prevent me from making my own mistakes ever.
I'm my own worst enemy, that's why I must be thwarted and slain.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:25, archived)
# I rather think
that's for me to decide.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:27, archived)
# Oops!
There I go again.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:32, archived)
# Everyone seems to know what this is about
and I don't want to appear ignorant, so I'm going to say that I think it's appalling. Either that or it's long overdue. Or perhaps, let's wait and see how it turns out before we judge it.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:04, archived)
# *office lols*
(I helped save b3ta! Barbarossa is not my real name, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:06, archived)
# :D
(I helped save b3ta! Dixipoos Bye Bye Blackbird, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:06, archived)
# :-D
(I helped save b3ta! Mike Fishcake teamfishcake.co.uk - better than your mum's face, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:08, archived)
# i think i share your opinion
although i've not quite made up my mind.
(I helped save b3ta! god save the queen making another unremarkable comeback, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:08, archived)
# Standard form - put it to vote and people are far more concerned about saving a few quid now rather than the long term effects.
Co-ordination problems and all that economic speak, innit? Although, I do hear tales that Manchester doesn't have a congestion problem. I would've voted 'Yes' given the choice.

EDIT: Woo to picture!
(I helped save b3ta! elephant rider property shark sighted!, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:05, archived)
# Don't get me started on the TIF proposal
I am fed up and exhausted from pointing out the positives to all the nobs that voted no.

Urgh. I'm going to bed.
(lomofrenzy, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:20, archived)
# Most of us understand the positives.
The thing is, the "No" voters:

- Don't think the plans were justified
- Don't think it's fair that drivers should have to pay a third driving-related tax to subsidise a service that they won't use
- Don't trust GMPTE not to almightily fuck up as they usually do
- Don't trust the fact that it was a proposal and therefore open to change
- Don't like the fact that they're pushing more money into the knickers of Stagecoach when they're rolling in money as it is
- Hate those fucking awful adverts with the tenuous "MY BABY WILL DIE OF AIDS IF YOU VOTE NO" statements on them.

I am fed up and exhausted from pointing out those points to all the nobs that voted yes.
(I helped save b3ta! Mike Fishcake teamfishcake.co.uk - better than your mum's face, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 17:18, archived)
# it takes me 20 minutes
to drive 6 miles into Manchester city centre at 8.30am, why should i pay £1200 a year so that the chavs can have more buses to piss in?
(I helped save b3ta! harribobs invented christmas on, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:35, archived)
# Public Transport?

(I helped save b3ta! Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:07, archived)
# The main thing about this
that has really, really annoyed me is the Arrogance of Lucy Powell. ( Labour, Withington ) Who has decided that the reason the public have voted no on this issue is simply because it was too complicated for us to understand why getting out of our cars and onto council run public transport schemes was for the greater good.

Well forgive me for being too damn stupid to understand why forcing me to pay more to use my car so that I may subsidise a continually failing ( and in the main, privately operated ) public transport system ( failing despite having more and more public money thrown at it despite yearly worsening performance ) is in the greater good.

Here's why the public said no. We'd rather sit on the A57 or the M62 for an extra 10 minutes and pay no more stealth taxes than sit on the roads with no notable change except that we are paying so some chav can drag her brood to the precinct on a bus.

We can only learn from London. Yes it worked to an extent for the city but the reasons were mainly that it became financially impossible for private motorists to continue to drive in congestion charge areas. That of course did have a positive effect on the vehicles on the road. So what did they do? Rest on their laurels at a job well done? No, they made the congestion charge area even greater ( practically outside my front door in my London address ) and stretched it out to the suburbs. Why?
Finance. There has only ever been one reason for congestion charges and that is because it is an unavoidable tax and props up local governments who have been unable to balance books due to them being unable to collect council tax.

I'll tell you who should feel stupid. Whoever thought having a referendum would work in the favour of stealth taxes.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:21, archived)
# Hasn't Boris scrapped plans for an extension to the congestion zone?
(I helped save b3ta! Barbarossa is not my real name, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:26, archived)
# I'm talking about the extension that brought it to
West Ken and Shepherd's Bush road. Not any future plans they might have to see if they can stretch it from Paris to Glasgow without anyone noticing.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:29, archived)
# Subsidise bikes I say!
No VAT on them and instead of scanning cars ,scan bikes and give a bonus per bike, per household for those cycling.
That was not only do you solve, partially, the problem with those on low income but those on low income that suffer from obesity, or the ones with a poor diet not the lazy bastards.
(I helped save b3ta! riverghost servicing your mum since, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:30, archived)
# Fuck that too.
We don't need a congestion charge. We need a baby charge so that people stop churning out sprogs that grow up unable to afford a car and only see the inside of the one they nicked or the one they get transported to jail in.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:35, archived)
# The last car I owned was free.
Had a few technical issues though. Do you mean "unable to afford a Range Rover"?
(sabre-tooth monkey, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:40, archived)
# I didn't say a congestion charge.
I said make it cheaper for people to cycle!
(I helped save b3ta! riverghost servicing your mum since, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 17:00, archived)
# Privately operated, yet enormously regulated so that it isn't under private control in any significant way.
Private roads are what we need, if we're ever going to have perspex tubes in the sky and other pleasing ideas.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:31, archived)
# Your "London address"?
(sabre-tooth monkey, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:32, archived)
# Yes.
We have a flat in Hammersmith because she still works down there during the week.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:33, archived)
# Right. You have a spare London residence.
I hope that £8 to drive a distance it'd be quicker and cheaper to cycle, or to cover by tube, doesn't wipe you out completely.
(sabre-tooth monkey, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:39, archived)
# That's fucking ridiculous.
When I was last there I had to be in Mayfair every morning for 8am. I could drive it in 15 minutes or take the lottery of the tube and get from Hammersmith to Green Park in a random 45 minutes to an hour and a half.
Cycling in London is dangerous at the best of times but when you have heavy baggage it is not viable.
Don't talk to my like you know my traffic habits and can assume that all London car journeys are easier by cycle or tube because that's simply not so.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:45, archived)
# I'd take a bus in from Hammersmith.
Or I would if they extended the congestion charge zone and built a few more bus lanes. Otherwise it'd take ages.
(sabre-tooth monkey, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:54, archived)
# 2 hours on a bus
I tried it.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:59, archived)
# If it's 15m in a car, how much is it in a taxi?
They're almost public transport, and don't seem to charge you for the C-Charge anyway.
(sabre-tooth monkey, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 17:01, archived)
# He needs more than one address
so he's got somewhere to park his ship.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:34, archived)
# His bullship.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:37, archived)
# I miss Zoot
Pasanonic just isn't as ludicrous.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:41, archived)
# Honestly
I just find it depressing.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:48, archived)
# Wow
Complaining about a 'stealth tax' that's about as stealthy as an elephant, painfully snobby ranting about 'chavs', saying the congestion charge worked and still whining about it..


...do you work for the Mail?
(I helped save b3ta! Cassius Kray floats like a butterfly, stings like a trout, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:37, archived)
# You clearly have not comprehended what I said above.
I said that the congestion charge in London had the effect of reducing traffic in certain areas and I qualified that with further statements.
Stealth taxes don't have to be 'hidden' They are designed to be a way of income generation without being a state ratified national taxation.
The term stealth tax refers to a levy that you pay that is a tax in all but name. Not your definition of a payment that is obvious.
fuck you and the Daily Mail.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:41, archived)
# He's right about the chavs bit though
you should do less of that, chavs are people too, I'm almost sure of it.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:44, archived)
# But am I
meant to subsidise their being? I'm happy for all people to do their own thing. Just to have them pay for it themselves.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:47, archived)
# Would it make you happy
If they called it 'congestion tax'?
(I helped save b3ta! Cassius Kray floats like a butterfly, stings like a trout, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:44, archived)
# The name is not an issue.
If it were a tax ratified in parliament then all well and good, but it's not. It is a revenue gaining scheme aimed at the wealthy or business that has done nothing in London for the public transport system ( which I believe was meant to be the big carrot )

If local councils want more money for public transport then ask the government for it as they are supposed to. If the government need more money for it then ask the country as they are supposed to.
I'm not adverse to paying taxes. I'm adverse to being forced to give money to local councils that don't manage things any better with or without the funding.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:53, archived)
# done nothing for public transport? bollocks
10% off bus fares came in very handy.
As did the reduced prices on the Oyster system.

New buses on my route this month too.

You're talking from a standpoint of ignorance I'm afraid.
(I helped save b3ta! chenobble rocking his explorer beard on, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 17:27, archived)
# Making it cheaper
for those that use it by charging those that don't is not my idea of useful. It has not made it any easier or quicker to travel around london by public transport. We were promised quicker travel. In my experience of London, for the most part travel by bus has grown longer in time on the same routes and I have no idea what the figures for tube travel are but it's clearly now operating way beyond capacity.
The fact is that if I finish work at 6pm in Central London I can leave for home on public transport or I can go to the pub for an hour and a half and still get home at the same time.

I'm not ignorant of public transport. It's simply not an option for me due to the amount of time it takes to get anywhere. Because it is cheaper for you does not in any way mean that the infrastructure has benefited from the congestion charge.
The idea was to free up roads and make journeys quicker. making it cheaper to sit on a bus longer is just taking the piss. Especially for those that don't sit on the bus.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 17:39, archived)
# If the congestion charge revenue
had been used produced a cheap, efficient public transport system, then all would be well. But it hasn't, I desperately want to support it but it's such a half-arsed measure
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:39, archived)
# What make me really happy about this is that
the people of Manchester saw sense, living outside Manchester and travelling in is where this scheme would of made most of it's money yet those people (i.e. me) didn't get a vote. Well done the people of Manchester.
(the_riviera_kid , anyone fancy making me a brew?, Fri 12 Dec 2008, 16:54, archived)