Supreme Court tells crybaby truant holiday Dad to gie tae fuck.
Claims he can't afford a holiday during actual school hols. Correction, he can't afford the holiday he WANTS. Plenty of other holidays available, you cunt. Also, pieces don't go "up" in school hols. It's called peak and off-peak, and I can't believe that idiots fail to grasp this most basic of economic things. If anything, pieces are lowered in the off season to encourage bookings. Ooo, this got me proper riled, this has.
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Claims he can't afford a holiday during actual school hols. Correction, he can't afford the holiday he WANTS. Plenty of other holidays available, you cunt. Also, pieces don't go "up" in school hols. It's called peak and off-peak, and I can't believe that idiots fail to grasp this most basic of economic things. If anything, pieces are lowered in the off season to encourage bookings. Ooo, this got me proper riled, this has.
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I wanted him to win this case.
But I've got a vested interest.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:03, Share, Reply)
But I've got a vested interest.
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lol took his kid(s) to disney world and he's quibbling £60
if he didn't make that back in the off-peak savings he wuz robbed!
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if he didn't make that back in the off-peak savings he wuz robbed!
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Factor that in as part of the price of the holiday
Problem solved.
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Problem solved.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:11, Share, Reply)
This
it's a paltry fee, and there would be a certain joy in willfully paying it with a smile and still taking your kid out of school.
the irony of the whole thing is that he's taught his kid a really bad lesson in this whole process.
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it's a paltry fee, and there would be a certain joy in willfully paying it with a smile and still taking your kid out of school.
the irony of the whole thing is that he's taught his kid a really bad lesson in this whole process.
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From what I remember of the original story was that he objected to treated as a criminal for doing so.
To be clear the £60 fine is a penalty notice given instead of prosecution because you've broken the law.
The local education could decided to take you to court instead where the fine could be much higher and you'll get a criminal record.
But it's a nice little earner for them as tens of thousands are issued each year. So they'll keep on fining instead probably.
So they are saying it's mega harmful to the child but won't use they're full powers to prosecute and try and stop it happening.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:14, Share, Reply)
To be clear the £60 fine is a penalty notice given instead of prosecution because you've broken the law.
The local education could decided to take you to court instead where the fine could be much higher and you'll get a criminal record.
But it's a nice little earner for them as tens of thousands are issued each year. So they'll keep on fining instead probably.
So they are saying it's mega harmful to the child but won't use they're full powers to prosecute and try and stop it happening.
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his argument seems to be that his "rights" were taken away.
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I thought it was that the law could be interpreted several ways and he objected to be classes a criminal?
Also I was never taken out of school for a holiday and look and my fucking spelling!
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:08, Share, Reply)
Also I was never taken out of school for a holiday and look and my fucking spelling!
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:08, Share, Reply)
it's basically a parking ticket
I feel annoyed when I get one, but I won't be going to the supreme court to battle it out with the council.
I bet he's one of those nightmare dads furiously circling some seaside town on holiday looking for a place to park because he's too tight to use the pay and display.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:33, Share, Reply)
I feel annoyed when I get one, but I won't be going to the supreme court to battle it out with the council.
I bet he's one of those nightmare dads furiously circling some seaside town on holiday looking for a place to park because he's too tight to use the pay and display.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:33, Share, Reply)
Well he took it to the local court who found in his favour.
This is because the council took it further.
Now it goes back to local court who can find him £2500 and give him a criminal record.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 19:12, Share, Reply)
This is because the council took it further.
Now it goes back to local court who can find him £2500 and give him a criminal record.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 19:12, Share, Reply)
At the bottom of the article they have stats
which show 8 people were given custodial sentences. I'd cheerfully pay £60 to avoid getting bummed off a murderer.
( , Fri 7 Apr 2017, 10:35, Share, Reply)
which show 8 people were given custodial sentences. I'd cheerfully pay £60 to avoid getting bummed off a murderer.
( , Fri 7 Apr 2017, 10:35, Share, Reply)
He could have avoided this and also saved considerably more money If he just didn't bother having a kid.
"Oh darling, lets try and reinforce our relationship to each other by putting you through grueling physical and emotional distress for 9 months, then have a room full of people watch as you shit and piss yourself while your vagina gets irreparably damaged by the wonder of childbirth and then we're left with the privilege of raising the parasite that's just climbed out of your body for at least the next 18 years, where we will have a fraction of the freedom we used to enjoy and will likely spend tens of thousands of pounds of our money clothing it and feeding it because somewhere along the line we thought that having a child would be wonderful!"
"Yes, lets."
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:10, Share, Reply)
"Oh darling, lets try and reinforce our relationship to each other by putting you through grueling physical and emotional distress for 9 months, then have a room full of people watch as you shit and piss yourself while your vagina gets irreparably damaged by the wonder of childbirth and then we're left with the privilege of raising the parasite that's just climbed out of your body for at least the next 18 years, where we will have a fraction of the freedom we used to enjoy and will likely spend tens of thousands of pounds of our money clothing it and feeding it because somewhere along the line we thought that having a child would be wonderful!"
"Yes, lets."
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You don't mind if I continue to breed though?
I find it quite rewarding.
Also when I get old I want someone to stop the care home staff from abusing me too much.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:23, Share, Reply)
I find it quite rewarding.
Also when I get old I want someone to stop the care home staff from abusing me too much.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:23, Share, Reply)
If you don't have kids.
All that extra money would buy you some kick ass private care.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:25, Share, Reply)
All that extra money would buy you some kick ass private care.
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Good luck hanging onto any assets you've acquired.
You'll be selling them all to pay for it.
At least I can put the house in the kids names so it's not sold off when it's time to starting wearing underpants on my head.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:29, Share, Reply)
You'll be selling them all to pay for it.
At least I can put the house in the kids names so it's not sold off when it's time to starting wearing underpants on my head.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:29, Share, Reply)
I don't really mind.
I can't take it with me, and it's highly likely I'll outlive my partner. I'll have no use for all my assets once I'm dead. I'll just make sure I spend as much time as possible enjoying the shit I have while I'm alive :)
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:32, Share, Reply)
I can't take it with me, and it's highly likely I'll outlive my partner. I'll have no use for all my assets once I'm dead. I'll just make sure I spend as much time as possible enjoying the shit I have while I'm alive :)
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Pooing is one of life's little pleasures
That everyone can enjoy, regardless of skin colour, religion or social standing.
Just look how happy this lady is, now she can poop again!
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That everyone can enjoy, regardless of skin colour, religion or social standing.
Just look how happy this lady is, now she can poop again!
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:49, Share, Reply)
"it's highly likely I'll outlive my partner"
Gerontophile or Murderer?
If the actual answer is something shitty, I apologise.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 17:01, Share, Reply)
Gerontophile or Murderer?
If the actual answer is something shitty, I apologise.
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She suffers from SLE
Which has landed her with PCOS, Rheumatoid Arthritis and other bits and pieces so far. Chances are she'll live a normal lifespan, but she's definitely much more likely to develop a terminal disease and pop her clogs earlier than I am.
No need to apologise though, 95% of days are completely normal, plus she's a smoker so she'll probably get lung cancer before the Lupus kills her anyway :D
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 18:53, Share, Reply)
Which has landed her with PCOS, Rheumatoid Arthritis and other bits and pieces so far. Chances are she'll live a normal lifespan, but she's definitely much more likely to develop a terminal disease and pop her clogs earlier than I am.
No need to apologise though, 95% of days are completely normal, plus she's a smoker so she'll probably get lung cancer before the Lupus kills her anyway :D
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But at least I'll have loads of money left over to spend on a maid/carer.
And/or hookers if my wife pops her clogs before I do!
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And/or hookers if my wife pops her clogs before I do!
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momentofcerebus.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/you-die-alone-unmourned-and-unloved.html
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Considering my partner is infertile, I think the chances of us having kids is pretty slim.
And neither of us have ever had the desire to reproduce anyway. I can barely look after myself and we've agreed that if we ever reach a point in our relationship where we're so bored that we think having a child might be the only way to salvage what's left, we should just split up.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:42, Share, Reply)
And neither of us have ever had the desire to reproduce anyway. I can barely look after myself and we've agreed that if we ever reach a point in our relationship where we're so bored that we think having a child might be the only way to salvage what's left, we should just split up.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:42, Share, Reply)
it's not about boredom
the ideal, is that you meet someone, and your combined experiences of the world are usefull to raise, or at least start, the next generation off with a good idea of how to function and how to improve.
it's rather selfish to think that this life is just for you and what you can get out of it, and not to think "if people where a bit more X the world would be a better place" and then work really hard (and parenting is hardwork) to instill those values in someone.
now, as i said thats the ideal, and humans aren't perfect so people end up having them for all sorts of terrible reasons and imparting alsorts of horrible things... which is why it's a responsibility of the kind, the nice, and the wise to have children, to impact the damage.
now obviously if your partner is infertile you have had that stripped away from you, but to then right-off the whole thing as a product of boredom, honestly, is churlish.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:47, Share, Reply)
the ideal, is that you meet someone, and your combined experiences of the world are usefull to raise, or at least start, the next generation off with a good idea of how to function and how to improve.
it's rather selfish to think that this life is just for you and what you can get out of it, and not to think "if people where a bit more X the world would be a better place" and then work really hard (and parenting is hardwork) to instill those values in someone.
now, as i said thats the ideal, and humans aren't perfect so people end up having them for all sorts of terrible reasons and imparting alsorts of horrible things... which is why it's a responsibility of the kind, the nice, and the wise to have children, to impact the damage.
now obviously if your partner is infertile you have had that stripped away from you, but to then right-off the whole thing as a product of boredom, honestly, is churlish.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:47, Share, Reply)
I've felt this way ever since being introduced to the concept of reproduction.
It wasn't exactly 'stripped away' from me. If anything, it was an enormous relief to discover my partner was infertile (she had known for some time before we met) and that she shared my opinions on reproduction.
Are you really claiming that choosing to not reproduce is selfish? It's not up to the next generation to fix our wrongs. If that was the case, we'd never get anything done, because the next generation would just rely on the next.
Spend less energy on making kids and more energy on fixing the world if that's really your end game.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:02, Share, Reply)
It wasn't exactly 'stripped away' from me. If anything, it was an enormous relief to discover my partner was infertile (she had known for some time before we met) and that she shared my opinions on reproduction.
Are you really claiming that choosing to not reproduce is selfish? It's not up to the next generation to fix our wrongs. If that was the case, we'd never get anything done, because the next generation would just rely on the next.
Spend less energy on making kids and more energy on fixing the world if that's really your end game.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:02, Share, Reply)
ive got a couple of ankle-biters
I say to people thinking about them: "if you really want them, have them. But if you not sure then don't because they're a fuckton of work. But once you've bought the ticket then take the ride and try and enjoy it"
I'm a scientist at heart, so I enjoy testing out behavioural theory on them and treating the whole thing as a long running experiment, which it is in a way.
( , Fri 7 Apr 2017, 1:32, Share, Reply)
I say to people thinking about them: "if you really want them, have them. But if you not sure then don't because they're a fuckton of work. But once you've bought the ticket then take the ride and try and enjoy it"
I'm a scientist at heart, so I enjoy testing out behavioural theory on them and treating the whole thing as a long running experiment, which it is in a way.
( , Fri 7 Apr 2017, 1:32, Share, Reply)
It's selfish not to have children and fill their minds with your own opinions?
Righto.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 17:21, Share, Reply)
Righto.
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I've taught mine to hate the white man
and how to escape if you're confronted by a velociraptor (hint: They hunt in pairs)
( , Fri 7 Apr 2017, 1:25, Share, Reply)
and how to escape if you're confronted by a velociraptor (hint: They hunt in pairs)
( , Fri 7 Apr 2017, 1:25, Share, Reply)
I'm not trying to convince you
taht not having a kid is something you should regret. But.
I had a fulfilling life before we had a kid. Now my son is the most amazing, interesting, puzzling, weird, cute little human and keeps me busy, entertained, wondering, happy and sometimes exasperated and sleepless.
Having a kid has meant all other things in life went on the back-burner: reading, skating, meeting friends, watching fantastic fiction. Because the responsibility to take care of my son takes precedence over and leaves little time for all the other things. But hey: its also a lot more interesting and rewarding then the other things.
Just saying. Someone should cheer for team parent in this thread.
I wish i had known it was this much fun 10 years ago, we might have had time to try for another one.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 19:25, Share, Reply)
taht not having a kid is something you should regret. But.
I had a fulfilling life before we had a kid. Now my son is the most amazing, interesting, puzzling, weird, cute little human and keeps me busy, entertained, wondering, happy and sometimes exasperated and sleepless.
Having a kid has meant all other things in life went on the back-burner: reading, skating, meeting friends, watching fantastic fiction. Because the responsibility to take care of my son takes precedence over and leaves little time for all the other things. But hey: its also a lot more interesting and rewarding then the other things.
Just saying. Someone should cheer for team parent in this thread.
I wish i had known it was this much fun 10 years ago, we might have had time to try for another one.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 19:25, Share, Reply)
"Having a kid has meant all other things in life went on the back-burner: reading, skating, meeting friends, watching fantastic fiction."
This explains why my heart sinks when good friends announce they are having a kid.
They don't always go from interesting friend to dull acquaintance...
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*stage whisper* HE WAS BEING SARCASTIC
or at least I hope to god he was
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:49, Share, Reply)
or at least I hope to god he was
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People have genuinely said this me, without a shred of irony.
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You get used to anything unpleasant pretty quickly if it happens to you every day
Prison, losing a leg...
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:33, Share, Reply)
Prison, losing a leg...
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:33, Share, Reply)
One of those can only happen twice
Unless there's been a sudden improvement in transplant technology.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 17:56, Share, Reply)
Unless there's been a sudden improvement in transplant technology.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 17:56, Share, Reply)
.
Must feel like a hand-threesome without having to lie on them.
( , Fri 7 Apr 2017, 0:13, Share, Reply)
Must feel like a hand-threesome without having to lie on them.
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I'm with you on this.
Holidays are a privilege, not a right.
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Holidays are a privilege, not a right.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:12, Share, Reply)
Can we also do one about Jeremy Fucking Corbyn. As someone who plans to send my kids to private school I think he's being a complete cunt for threatening to add VAT to private school fees.
I don't see why I should have to pay to feed poor children as well as paying for them to go to school, pretty sure its their parents job to feed them and if they can't then they should be sterilised so they can't make any more.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:15, Share, Reply)
I don't see why I should have to pay to feed poor children as well as paying for them to go to school, pretty sure its their parents job to feed them and if they can't then they should be sterilised so they can't make any more.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:15, Share, Reply)
As a rather well off parent that will be sending their kids to state schools I don't see the need to pay for my kids meals either
If you're going to add the tax at least use it to pay for something that's really needed.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:27, Share, Reply)
If you're going to add the tax at least use it to pay for something that's really needed.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:27, Share, Reply)
this has to be satire
or b3ta has turned into a very strange place.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:33, Share, Reply)
or b3ta has turned into a very strange place.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:33, Share, Reply)
Just trying to encourage some healthy debate m8.
But seriously I really do hate poor people, they sicken me.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:57, Share, Reply)
But seriously I really do hate poor people, they sicken me.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:57, Share, Reply)
OK, I'll bite
Private schools operate as businesses, so why should they not be taxed as such? The tiny amount of 'charity work' they do does not justify not paying VAT.
Near us is Eton and they own Dorney Lake, where the Olympic rowing was held. Dorney Lake is run as a profit center for Eton and they rarely give free access.
The amount of tax is tiny compared to getting Facebook or Google to pay what they owe, however.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:35, Share, Reply)
Private schools operate as businesses, so why should they not be taxed as such? The tiny amount of 'charity work' they do does not justify not paying VAT.
Near us is Eton and they own Dorney Lake, where the Olympic rowing was held. Dorney Lake is run as a profit center for Eton and they rarely give free access.
The amount of tax is tiny compared to getting Facebook or Google to pay what they owe, however.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:35, Share, Reply)
But increasing private school costs will mean less parents can afford to send their children there which in turn will increase the pressure on state schools.
It's a similar argument with private health care, people who can pay for their own treatment shouldn't be discouraged from doing so as it frees up NHS resources.
Using Eton as an example is not particularly helpful as they're not really representative of private schools in general.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:54, Share, Reply)
It's a similar argument with private health care, people who can pay for their own treatment shouldn't be discouraged from doing so as it frees up NHS resources.
Using Eton as an example is not particularly helpful as they're not really representative of private schools in general.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:54, Share, Reply)
<climbs down from soap box>
Why do I feel like I've just fallen for an elaborate(ish) trick?
If correct, YOU MONSTER!
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 18:32, Share, Reply)
Why do I feel like I've just fallen for an elaborate(ish) trick?
If correct, YOU MONSTER!
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 18:32, Share, Reply)
Yeah, I am sure they (you) can find the money. It is up to you isn't it, your child's education or that new 4x4? I am sure some will not be able to pay...but lets not pretend there will be a mass exodus. State schools can't get anymore fucked.
( , Fri 7 Apr 2017, 10:38, Share, Reply)
In France
they stagger half terms and school holidays a bit, regionally. This means that they don't all overlap completely. This reduces the full extent of the demand for family holidays, thus the supply is greater, so the prices don't fluctuate as wildly as they do over here. Plus they all take the whole of August off and will only work a thirty five hour week. That's why their economy is booming and unemployment is so low.
However a simple idea that could help parents and their budgets like staggering school holidays will surely be vehemently opposed by the NUT as an abomination.
Also you clearly have no understanding of super basic supply and demand economics. You posit that the outcome of a variance is its cause. Batshit mental.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:18, Share, Reply)
they stagger half terms and school holidays a bit, regionally. This means that they don't all overlap completely. This reduces the full extent of the demand for family holidays, thus the supply is greater, so the prices don't fluctuate as wildly as they do over here. Plus they all take the whole of August off and will only work a thirty five hour week. That's why their economy is booming and unemployment is so low.
However a simple idea that could help parents and their budgets like staggering school holidays will surely be vehemently opposed by the NUT as an abomination.
Also you clearly have no understanding of super basic supply and demand economics. You posit that the outcome of a variance is its cause. Batshit mental.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:18, Share, Reply)
half terms are staggered
they could definitely do with shifting summer one week or two in either direction.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:38, Share, Reply)
they could definitely do with shifting summer one week or two in either direction.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 15:38, Share, Reply)
You're getting the hang of this.
*pats head, slightly too hard"
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 17:56, Share, Reply)
*pats head, slightly too hard"
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 17:56, Share, Reply)
I agree with the bloke
I think this is an overreach in the powers of the state over the powers of parents. 40 years ago the state was trying to force children just to attend school, which seems reasonable, but fining someone over a weeks holiday seems overboard, especially when they allow things like homeschooling and religious education which to me have far more potential to fuck up (or literally fuck) the younglings, compared to a week in florida.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:23, Share, Reply)
I think this is an overreach in the powers of the state over the powers of parents. 40 years ago the state was trying to force children just to attend school, which seems reasonable, but fining someone over a weeks holiday seems overboard, especially when they allow things like homeschooling and religious education which to me have far more potential to fuck up (or literally fuck) the younglings, compared to a week in florida.
( , Thu 6 Apr 2017, 16:23, Share, Reply)
Rules is Rules
There is discretion from both the school and council. It is just tough luck if they don't apply it. These parents moaning about it...there are plenty of unfair laws go visit your MP and try to get them changed or face the consequences rather than stamp your feet about it.
( , Fri 7 Apr 2017, 10:46, Share, Reply)
There is discretion from both the school and council. It is just tough luck if they don't apply it. These parents moaning about it...there are plenty of unfair laws go visit your MP and try to get them changed or face the consequences rather than stamp your feet about it.
( , Fri 7 Apr 2017, 10:46, Share, Reply)