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(, Sun 1 Apr 2001, 1:00)
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And it's long and slow, so, let's talk about morals.
Would you rather earn your money working for an evil multinational that is making a mess of the environment or being a hooker?
Alt. Q: Which thing you'd never EVER do in order to earn money?
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:37, 214 replies, latest was 15 years ago)
Fuck the environment, that's my kids problems.
Alt Q: Telesales, never again.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:39, Reply)
You're pretty much the only one I'm nice to!
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:47, Reply)
relatively speaking (compared to Monty, or TGB for example) he's full of sweetness and light.
and as a result the niceness to you lady types is cloying and nauseating.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:59, Reply)
I sell ads and mag features; I speak to interesting and important people about business, I get a buzz from it, and I'm paid well.
I don't really care about the environment - I think most of it is propaganda to make us feel we have to pay more tax. I don't think we should go out of our way to damage the world (I recycle and all that), but I think our effect is negligible.
And I think most Green info is dangerously misleading and far far too subjective.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:39, Reply)
but evil multinational corporation, I think. Unless I was a very high class escort type, but even then I don't think I could have sex with people for money.
I don't think I'd ever be able to be a conman or criminal. I don't have the nerve, and I'm too softhearted to screw people over.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:41, Reply)
Even if I'm not directly killing anyone.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:47, Reply)
at school. I quite enjoyed it, actually. Although I don't think I could shoot anyone - or have anyone shoot at me, either, even if they missed!
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:53, Reply)
Call of Duty scares me, I just find it stressful.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:01, Reply)
Dye is when you colour your clothes/hair
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:42, Reply)
They shouldn't be so similar, meaning so different things.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:48, Reply)
and then suddenly BOOM HEADSHOT! every sodding time. I didn't find out for ages that you had a radar to tell you where everyone else is on the screen so I was just sitting there whilst everyone aimed at me.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:20, Reply)
I've worked for an evil multinational, it wasn't so bad.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:41, Reply)
I'd have to choose the multinational
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:42, Reply)
'Cos I'm a right ugly fucker who'd make no cash as a hooker.
Alt: Recruitment. They're a shower of shits.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:42, Reply)
I'd probably willingly pick it over a lot of jobs, and since there is not a thing on this planet that would make me consider prostitution it really is a very easy choice.
Alt Q: prostitution or dealing drugs
Edit: besides I'd make so little from prostitution
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:42, Reply)
My dad always calls him "Die Laughing"
I hate rugby.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:51, Reply)
This may or may not be because I've played at Twickenham.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:09, Reply)
answer that one sonny-jim
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:26, Reply)
... the Government.
Oh yeah, I went there.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:46, Reply)
but wait until he appears on "Celebrity Come Dine With Me."
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:55, Reply)
Because at least the comfort of your office puts some distance from the evil you're wreaking.
Alt Q: Play Country and Western music.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:52, Reply)
but even the thickest ribbed condom doesn't distance you very much from the grubby multinational-manager's cock in your hole.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:56, Reply)
the clients' wives are in their beds. hookers work from cars/offices...
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:01, Reply)
then I'd have to insist on working from a Honda Accord, at the very least.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:03, Reply)
Cos then I could work to bring them down from the inside.
I don't know, I'd do pretty much anything for money.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:53, Reply)
and saying things like. 'Yeah course I'm trying to bring it down. Next year, after the bonuses perhaps.'
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:57, Reply)
are pension funds so if you fuck the company up then old people will be hungry.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:59, Reply)
while raking it in and trying to retain moral superiority 'I nicked thirteen paperclips and a potplant, I'm obviously trying to topple them'
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:03, Reply)
Maybe even a forrin.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:05, Reply)
sponge off anyone else. wilmslow is full of women who've never worked a day in their lives but still drip with brand new cars and designer kit because their husband pays for everything. i'd hate that!
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:54, Reply)
I'd be really embarrassed saying I didn't work.
Unless I was doing a lot of voluntary work or raising sprogs.
(And I mean raising them properly - not smoking outside a soft-play area with the other mothers.)
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:58, Reply)
If I ever get to be a stay at home mum my kids aren't going to get a moment's peace from all the arts and crafts and education and crap I'm going to ram down their throats.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:00, Reply)
it's lovely if you can.
after that, omg, how dull would your life/conversation be?? and also, when your husband comes home really knackered and stressed after winning bread all day, whilst you've just had another manicure and spraytan... no no no.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:01, Reply)
through things like my corset selling and stuff, I don't think I could sit on my arse all day, I'd be well bored. If I couldn't work I'd have to involve myself in loads of charities and things and become one of those annoying busybodies.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:05, Reply)
Hence why I've taken about 2000 photos in the last month and a bit, and helpfully strained my eye.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:06, Reply)
my mum didn't work and yet has had a productive and interesting life.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:10, Reply)
but in wilmslow they just sit on their arses waiting for their car to be 12 months old so they can have a new one. trust me.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:26, Reply)
they'll be plonked in front of Ceebeebies while you swig neat vodka from the bottle
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:01, Reply)
Then occasionally she'd say "Ooh, shall we write on the birthday cards!" like it was a big treat.
By the time I got to nursery I could read and write and I hadn't even noticed she was teaching me.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:02, Reply)
I was gobsmacked when I got to school and there were kids who barely even knew the alphabet. What had their parents been doing for the last 5 years ffs?
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:04, Reply)
if we went out anywhere my parents would make me add up the bill and little things like that.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:06, Reply)
only knew the one version of "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star" but none of the Mozart variations.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:08, Reply)
was Wolfgang's seminal piece, I felt.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:19, Reply)
Is ending a sentence with a preposition, though.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 13:08, Reply)
so taught from day one. It does bemuse me when children go to school unable to read or know basic letters though. Five years worth and the parents haven't bothered even with regular storybooks/ tracing words etc
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:08, Reply)
My mum was married at 17 and had me at 18. She was a hairdresser.
It's not difficult to give a kid the basics. Just singing it at them usually does the trick.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:16, Reply)
all you have to do even is just read storybooks to them, and make sure they trace the words. Play the Alphabet song etc.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:24, Reply)
I like, totally, showed her.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:33, Reply)
I've managed to convince absolutely everyone to say 'What?' every single time he says it now, he's starting to get quite frustrated.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:36, Reply)
We've got an audio tape of me singing 'I'm Gonna be a Country Girl Again' in the style of Bufy Sainte Marie. Because of Sesame Street.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:38, Reply)
i was a swotty little toddler who kept asking my mother what words said, so she taught me to read (she was a primary school teacher anyway). still can't count though.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:07, Reply)
But I remember when I was about 3/4 my mum had been teaching me about letters that go together to make other sounds (th, sh, ch etc) and there was a sign saying 'Beware of Vehicles'. I saw the c and the h and got mixed up, thinking it was a 'chuh' sound.
I spent ages being terrified of these mythical 'Vechiles' behind the post Office fence.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:09, Reply)
Like algebra and interesting things. But I CANNOT do arithmetic.
It frightens me when people ask me to tot things up.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:32, Reply)
"we've got 12 orders in get those done by 12 and you get a gold star. Mummy's going out now clean up after yourseld"
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:07, Reply)
but it was much nicer when i still lived at home (apart from that!). it's very footballers' wives chavtastic these days, and all the pubs are FULL of orange 17 year olds in zero clothes and skyhigh heels trying desperately to hook a footballer.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:09, Reply)
Midweek is a different matter I find, we went to Revolution on a Thursday night with work, it was really good in there.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:11, Reply)
when all this were fields. then it was a pub called the samuel finney.
he was a famous local politician.
who campaigned for most of his life against alcohol... also i nearly got arrested in there for stealing smirnoff shotglasses.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:23, Reply)
Postman.
Nothing that involves walking the streets or upsetting people.
That rules out prozzyism too!
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:55, Reply)
Headphones in, pack of fags in your shirt pocket and walking everywhere (kind of) doing as you please. Great exercise too.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:58, Reply)
I couldn't be getting chased by dogs.
Or going on estates.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:00, Reply)
refuse to deliver to the working class scum.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:12, Reply)
and it's too quiet in a dangerous way.
I'm only comfortable in the city (but main roads, not estates) and near the river or sea, or the countryside, but not parks.
I can do totally urban or the wilds of the country, but not suburbs.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:34, Reply)
why do you think there are more suburban rapists than city or country ones?
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:38, Reply)
The city is too busy, the country is too much of a faff to travel to.
There are exceptions but most rapes I've heard of have been in parks or suburbs.
Dog attacks happen on estates and in parks and suburbs.
This is how my mind works.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:52, Reply)
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:15, Reply)
takes a fucking age to get a Newfoundland through a letterbox. Even if you do have a blender.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:17, Reply)
didn't get it
didn't get the gravedigger job or the one photoshopping 'adult' photos either
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:15, Reply)
despite what you all think. I'd like to think that I could do it, but I would chicken out when it came down to it.
I would never be able to hurt things for a living, be it animal experimentation or tattooist.
I would work for a multinational corporation but if I earned a lot I would give money to charities to try and offset my guilt!
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:58, Reply)
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:11, Reply)
and then kill it at the end. I couldn't be a doctor either for that reason (obviously not the killing bit), I can't hack gore.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:24, Reply)
The Coca-Cola Company, Amazon.com, Pizza Hut, Sainsbury's and WH Smith.
Since I set up the agency we haven't worked for anyone horrible I think - we refused to work for a tabacco company last year.
EDIT: I would do most legal things for money, except have sex with a man.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:58, Reply)
Pizza Hut are clearly pizzawrong cunts, though.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:13, Reply)
I think being forced to endlessly turk middle-aged desperate women would prove ultimately depressing, however the job satisfaction would be quite gratifying. Plus the hours and money would be pretty good, too (I’m talking about me personally, here, I’d be able to command an extremely high fee. Most of the other blokes on here would probably end up having to pay them).
Working for a multinational evil corporation wouldn’t bother me, though, because I have no morals and don’t care about my fellow man one little bit.
I would not have sex with men for money – or commit murder. Other than that – gaz me.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 11:59, Reply)
I’d met the right one for me. She is extremely good looking, very clever and capable of great thoughtfulness and kindness. The sadistic, twisted malevolence and physical violence didn’t appear until later.
*I always think that, mind you. I am a fool.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:28, Reply)
"i am one, will you bone me for a fee" or "why are you cheating on me" route. you pick one and respond accordingly (like those 'choose your own destiny' books)
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:22, Reply)
i could do monty as pro-boner?
i could but (i) he doesn't qualify as sufficiently desperate for free assistance and (ii) i've fulfilled my charity quota for this year.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:31, Reply)
that you'd pay me?
no other women please. i am all about the exclusivity and mutual trust and affection.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:45, Reply)
I wonder if that's why my ex dumped me.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:32, Reply)
And how is it evil? How do you anthromorphise something that cannot have emotional characteristics?
Humanities demands and wants make a mess of the environment. Multinationals service those demands and wants. You can no more blame them for it or call them evil than you can call a lump of coal evil or blame if for daring to be a fuel.
Having said that, yeah, I'll be a hooker. Why not, eh?
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:08, Reply)
just look at it. all black and stuff.
fucking coal
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:12, Reply)
also it was technically slag wot done it
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:17, Reply)
It made me laugh.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:13, Reply)
then being crushed and forming lovely, lovely oil. How terribly shellfish.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:14, Reply)
but then I don't think anyone with a brain would pick being a prostitute over working for a successful company
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:14, Reply)
after a few years you are guaranteed* to marry a handsom billionaire who loves you for who you are.
*This is not a guarantee
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:22, Reply)
in which every women is pretty and healthy and has actively picked selling herself as a career. Which is just messed up.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:23, Reply)
I reckon she could
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:27, Reply)
her mouth is enormous and her fists are quite small. It would be more amusing if she couldn't get it out again
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:28, Reply)
i don't even have a particularly massive mouth, nor do i have freakishly small hands.
i must be like one of those snakes that can dislocate their jaws.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:30, Reply)
1 in 1,000,000 people can do it. i have never googled this "fact" though so it might be bollocks.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:40, Reply)
i wonder if i could do it before i was a lawyer - never tried!
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:40, Reply)
but I would watch her attempt to put her fist in her mouth and then extract it.
*Phones BBC*
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:31, Reply)
Is responsible for it, directly and on porpouse, as it saves money.
The people who runs it are evil and that.
I always thought I'd rather be a hooker, but now...
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:25, Reply)
Than work for a big company?
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:26, Reply)
it's the actively messing with the environment for money.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:35, Reply)
how is prostitution anymore justifiable in terms of the human condition than being bad to the environment?
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:37, Reply)
This is probably an argument we can't have. No argument will change the mind of someone who doesn't see at first sight what's wrong with it
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:40, Reply)
The same that with any other hard working job. Prostitution wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't illegal. The fact that the girls need "protection" from men that steal their money and drug them makes it a bad job. The fact that I have something that you want and you pay for it to get it is not wrong at all.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:42, Reply)
in a perfect world prostitution might be a viable job.
Do we live in a perfect world? No. We live in a world where prostitution is generally (with exceptions) a violent, seedy and crime filled business. Sex trafficking, rape and drug addiction are all part of it. But it's not really rape is it? She (and it is in large part a woman) is offering her wares, you can't rape the willing, they're doing it for the money after all. The whole thing makes me sick.
And yeah I'm really not a prude, but I would never touch a man who had visited a prostitute. The power dynamics are fucked up beyond belief, and I would view with the greatest distaste anyone who needed to pay to get off.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:49, Reply)
and I know my views aren't shared by that many
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:52, Reply)
" ...I would view with the greatest distaste anyone who needed to pay to get off."
Does this include porn?
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 13:05, Reply)
not really, no it's not. And the people who run it don't directly make the decisions that result in these issues, so I don't see why you'd call them evil.
It saves money because it's sole motive is to make profit and return for its shareholders. How it does that is directly driven by humanity's desire for oil, and things it does to save money are in direct response to the legislation it works to.
You can certainly say it doesn't care about the environment. But then it doesn't care about anything, because it can't because it isn't human and you are trying to project human characteristics onto an inanimate object.
If you are really looking for "responsibility" here, I'd consider the all-conquering US obsession with oil and specifically geographical self-sustainability with oil, that leads congress to permit deepwater drilling (which is fundamentally dangerous) in a hurricane zone with the bare minimum of protective or safety regs.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:36, Reply)
And yes, the people who run it, from where I work, make those decisions (in fact, I'm being paid now to prove that the ugly option is cheaper and better)
Of course they're here to make profit, but that doesn't mean I have to work for them and help them doing it (and it's not oil related)
Deepwater drilling done properly is not so dangerous, but in USA don't follow the same regulations as in EU.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:40, Reply)
because the rigs aren't solidly anchored. Oil and Gas 101. You're dead right about US/EU reg differences though.
Who are you talking about then, out of interest? I'd say if you have people at the very top making direct decisions about work then it's not very multinational in its behaviour
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:43, Reply)
I signed I'd keep my mouth shut. I don't know if what I'm saying now it's too much in fact.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:45, Reply)
Everyone here is on threats of arsekicking if we discuss Deepwater Horizon with the press, and I'm only an academic.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:47, Reply)
Are the Estates going to change the regulation to make it safer?
As you said, it's allways dangerous, but it can be made less dangerous.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:49, Reply)
too much at stake from the US point of view. The irony of texan oilmen senators getting irate over oil spilt in the gulf was just too much, though.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:55, Reply)
If it hadn't been so sad.
They should all support things like this better: www.zdnet.com/news/google-funds-major-east-coast-wind-turbine-project/474406
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 13:03, Reply)
because the money saved is less than the punishment the goverment has for that crime.
Are you saying that is morally ok?
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:40, Reply)
If they do the legal thing by moving things around between different countries, so they don't need to pay any fine and end up putting more effluents in the environment than the other way round.
If you do something wrong and you pay for it, that's good. If you do something not too wrong here, and not too wrong there, and in the middle something quite wrong, but eh, who's going to care, it's international waters, then it's not so good.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:44, Reply)
Individually, no. But you're still trying to apply individual human beliefs or contstraints onto an inanimate object. Morality, in your terms, does not apply to big business as it is not a human being.
But, as a direct answer, if the punishment is less than the profit they make, then humanity somewhere obviously considers the benefits outweigh the illegality, doesn't it? Or the punishment would be higher.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:46, Reply)
is money. the company will justify it by saying that they saved money which is better for their employees, shareholders and directors' duties. whether you believe this is exoneration depends on your own views i guess.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:49, Reply)
that creates the market that is then, and can then, be driven only by money.
Oil is dead easy. Tell people we can prevent anything like deepwater horizon ever happening again and cut CO2 emissions by 75% and they'd go "yay". Tell them that to do that 50% of them will have to give up their cars and the rest will pay £5 a litre for fuel and they'll all go "fuck off"
And that's the bottom line. Not multinationals, not cutting corners, but simple base human desire.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:53, Reply)
I had friends that are so green and cool, you know the type, always telling me off for working in a refinery. But if you tell them to stop using petrol (or plastics of any kind) they'd look at you as if you had killed a kitty.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 13:02, Reply)
If a government in the 3rd world sets a fine of £50,000 for a something like heavy metal in the waters. To their local companies that would be enough to a multinational that's nothing.
Changing laws and punishments is a lot slower than buisiness works now, and their lobbiests slow it down as much as possible.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:56, Reply)
I'm past the age for being a succesful hooker.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:36, Reply)
Actually can I specify dominatrix. That's more up my street.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:41, Reply)
You do what you want, when you want, and he begs for it.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:45, Reply)
I think it does take a certain amount of knowledge and skill though.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:49, Reply)
Instead of Spanish, you could learn that.
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 12:52, Reply)
"If your partner has recently started to verbally abuse you, and it seems to be getting worse, what would you do?"
and the answers were either leave them, change my behaviour, insist they get counselling, or do something else to stop it.
I posted my dismay that there was no option for "Encourage it, I've been a very naughty boy".
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 13:19, Reply)
I was made redundant for the second time and was applying for jobs left right and centre, I got pimped to a job with a bank's subsiduary by this agency I was signed up to and went to interiew. The money was right but this was selling loans to folk who could obviously not afford it (pre Ocean finance et al)- I baulked at this and when I was offered the job turned it down solely because of what I thought was the sheer fucking immorality of it all.
The worst of it all is that I would say my morality has changed over the years and the self righteousness I felt in my early twenties has been replaced with a "Is the money right? Yeah? Fuck 'em".
(, Thu 14 Oct 2010, 13:34, Reply)
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