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# Cheers folks...
Go here...
Clicky
(I helped save b3ta! flibz, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:46, archived)
# for some reason
that reminds me of the conveyor belt on the generation game. nice work :)
(I helped save b3ta! zerolicious, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:48, archived)
# I'm gonna add an
"add your own images" section in a bit...

Also, does it work in non-MSIE browsers - I can't be arsed to install 'scape...
(I helped save b3ta! flibz, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:49, archived)
# No joy...
in Netscape 7...

I just get 'The cat who stares' (at nothing!)
(I helped save b3ta! jlanaway, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:52, archived)
# Can u have
another look pleeeeeeeez ;)
(I helped save b3ta! flibz, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:20, archived)
# Yeah!
It works now...!

(BTW I use Netscape, IE 6 & Opera... depends on the weather as to which I use coz I believe a change is as good as a rest!!)
(I helped save b3ta! jlanaway, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:29, archived)
# what you using
netscape 7 for anyway?
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:21, archived)
# now now
we all know how browser arguments start =)
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:24, archived)
# indeed
it works (in opera)

mad!
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:52, archived)
# fine in opera
woo!
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:55, archived)
# haha
that is one bemused cat!
(I helped save b3ta! rogan, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:50, archived)
# woo!
superb, that cat never tires of watching
(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:57, archived)
# Oh, and cheers to spassmonkey
for the watching cat that started my off on
this train of thought earlier...
(I helped save b3ta! flibz, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:59, archived)
# Seems to favor
# 10 and 7...
(techsmurf, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:18, archived)
# That's random for ya
It'll get better as it gets more images...
(I helped save b3ta! flibz, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:22, archived)
# Mathematicly,
the chance of seeing my piccy will decrease as the picture count increses.
(techsmurf, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:24, archived)
# Fraid so
And I'll have less disk space too...
(I helped save b3ta! flibz, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:25, archived)
# Bah,
damn reality. I want my own universe.
(techsmurf, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:30, archived)
# watcher hamster added
just waiting for him to pop up.
(I helped save b3ta! Kamikazee Killmouse, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:45, archived)
# just
added the dancing mini-me.
(I helped save b3ta! Tyronne Get To Falkirk, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 21:05, archived)
# i got him
looking at images once, then reload after reload of watching broken image links. waaah!
he's niiiice by the way.
(I helped save b3ta! freshlegs, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 21:19, archived)
# No Hands greets his fans


I know that it's linguistically incorrect, but it looks better that way.
And... I'm being naughty and posting from class again, too.
(I helped save b3ta! Propaganda Monkey, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:30, archived)
# hahahaha
I love this!
(I helped save b3ta! Allanon, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:07, archived)
# El gatito sin patitas
Siempre trae felicidad a todo el mundo!
(I helped save b3ta! Bob Scene, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:11, archived)
# "Manos",
as in "Manos, Hands of Fate"?

If so, wonderful Punnage.
(techsmurf, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:11, archived)
# Cakey snacks! Cakey snacks! Snakey cacks! Snackey cacks!
Long time reader, second time poster.
b3ta has kept me pleasantly amused and homesick on recent world travels, thought I'd try and contribute. Sorry if it's a bit large.
Now, sing along with me; 'Cakey snacks! Cakey snacks! Snakey cacks! Snackey cacks!'
(I helped save b3ta! Gribbley, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:28, archived)
# very very funny
Rah!
(I helped save b3ta! jiva nearly always up for a game of scrabble, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:30, archived)
# hehe
nice.
(Maels, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:33, archived)
# hahaha!
mad..
(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:36, archived)
# that's insane!
woo!
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:41, archived)
# I think you forgot this...

very woo-some, very woo-some indeed
(Mattyboy, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:48, archived)
# truly bonkers
top one :)
(I helped save b3ta! zerolicious, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:49, archived)
# Frank was going through a mid life crisis
(I helped save b3ta! jiva nearly always up for a game of scrabble, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:23, archived)
# hahaha!
he looks well pissed off
(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:26, archived)
# Quick
I need ten amusing gif's with transparency please...
(I helped save b3ta! flibz, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:22, archived)
# dunno about amusing but
one
two
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:25, archived)
#


(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:28, archived)
# please make that dynamic
so he can say "ya great flamin' gallah!"
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:28, archived)
# hahaha...
trans-gif-agogo
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:36, archived)
# the bottom one with the girlie is awesome
she looks like she'd enjoy a book like that...
(Mattyboy, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:37, archived)
# I'm impressed sir
you certainly rose to that challenge.
well done.
(I helped save b3ta! jiva nearly always up for a game of scrabble, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:38, archived)
# have my jason king collection
Jason1
Jason2
Jason3

(I helped save b3ta! curry monster, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:29, archived)
# Warning, might not be amusing.....
(I helped save b3ta! hobnobgoblin doesn't come here as often as he'd like to, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:27, archived)
# does it matter if they're not gifs but pngs?
does it matter if they're not funny but pointless?
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:37, archived)
# hope so
look above..
(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:43, archived)
# ah fuckit then:

that's all i've got uploaded, these days =(
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:46, archived)
# unamusing disclaimer here too

edit: damn that one seems to have vanished :(
(I helped save b3ta! 100% kitten better than ever, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:44, archived)
# I've built 4 websites today
I'm very tired
(I helped save b3ta! rob, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:17, archived)
# can we
see?
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:20, archived)
# they are very secret
(er.. no. Client hasn't approved yet.)
(I helped save b3ta! rob, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:21, archived)
# well
go do something relaxing or something
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:23, archived)
# I am
I'm going to have some pasta with Weebl and my g/f - and then have a pint (or three) of beer
(I helped save b3ta! rob, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:25, archived)
# hello, hello, what's all this?
we'll have no clients here
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:01, archived)
# Here, have some of this:
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:21, archived)
# that's not beer!
that's not pasta!
(I helped save b3ta! rob, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:22, archived)
# Sorry!
8(
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:23, archived)
# and put your feet up
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:22, archived)
# more b3ta music
one from Mattyboy, Rump (The Bump)
and also one from Kaiser Bulbmeister crazy viking music!
for b3ta music!
(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:06, archived)
# woo indeed
some top stuff there!
and since we're at it, here's me latest techno (6.9MB)
(I helped save b3ta! zerolicious, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:23, archived)
# I now have an urge to consume narcotics...
...woohoo
(Mattyboy, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:43, archived)
# i could never condone such a thing ;)
but you can find more here

any more porn tracks available?
(I helped save b3ta! zerolicious, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:45, archived)
# Unless I can befriend my ex and get them off the PC i lost when we split...
...not at the moment.

I'm gonna try and dig out my grange hill remix, i'm sure that's knocking about somewhere...
(Mattyboy, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:53, archived)
# i am in awe
just at the thought of such a thing :) dig, dig!
(I helped save b3ta! zerolicious, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:55, archived)
# bugger
can't find it.

but i have just found my CD that's got an incredibly rare track called Hector by The Village Callers - huzzah
(Mattyboy, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:09, archived)
# Very electronic...
8)
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:49, archived)
# yeah
unintelligent techno is what i'm good at ;)

nice work with the e-bow btw, i always wanted to get one back in my guitar-playing days, wish i had now...
(I helped save b3ta! zerolicious, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:53, archived)
# My e-bow is
on my top-10 of gadgets for sure!
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:56, archived)
# Woo for rump the bump!
Very porno, funky and cool!
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:27, archived)
# thank you very much sir...
...if anyone's making porn and wishes to use it - i'll waiver fees to audition the female parts.

like yours too sir, very original sounding, very cool
(Mattyboy, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:31, archived)
# I made it some years
ago on my lo-fi Tascam 4-track cassette recorder...

I had just bought an E-bow and improvised something...
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:35, archived)
# well me likey
me likey lots
(Mattyboy, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:35, archived)
# Thanks!
8)
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:39, archived)
# much woo!
and yay
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:54, archived)
# thank you kindly...
...though mine lacks the cool frenchness that your effort earlier brought to the board
(Mattyboy, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:57, archived)
# keep em off the streets



(I helped save b3ta! littlebean, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:03, archived)
# especially those foreign ones...
.
(Mattyboy, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:04, archived)
# this is england
all cars are foreign here
(I helped save b3ta! littlebean, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:07, archived)
# do we get a gallery of these?
me like dem
(I helped save b3ta! isthisyou?, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:08, archived)
# maybe eventually
should I do tiny tiny thumbnails?
(I helped save b3ta! littlebean, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:11, archived)
# no
good conceptual joke, but bad interface idea. (wearing form vs. function usability hat)
(I helped save b3ta! rob, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:22, archived)
# OooOOoo
hark at Mr Nielsen (Jakob, not Leslie)
(I helped save b3ta! littlebean, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 20:34, archived)
# oooh, observational comedy
he he
(Mattyboy, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:11, archived)
# Bloody b3ta party!!!!
Arse arse arse double arse...

B3ta parties are always on dates that clash for me. This time I'm actually going to be in London too!! Except I'll be tied up with colleagues in a team-building (drinking) weekend that I can't escape from.

Bugger bugger bugger bugger arse.
(I helped save b3ta! chaotic_illuminator proud spacehopperist, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:57, archived)
# i'm not in london
but cannae go either
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:58, archived)
# I
fear london.
(I helped save b3ta! rogan, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:06, archived)
# london's great
but i don't know it well and haven't experienced its evils.

but i'm underage and i doubt i'd be allowed to go drinking with strangers in north london on my own.
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:09, archived)
# wear a polar bear head and drink through a straw...
...they'll never know how old you are.
(I helped save b3ta! chaotic_illuminator proud spacehopperist, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:10, archived)
# I'm afraid that as we're in the pub
these events are over 18. (& I don't want angry mums phoning me up.)
(I helped save b3ta! rob, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:24, archived)
# i guessed that
which is why i wasn't gonna go

and i would be allowed to go drinking in north london with a bunch of strangers, fun as it would be
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:26, archived)
# You need to pull a fast one.
go and join in then find a way to make yourself look sick and pretend to get food poisoning, then when you tell them your off home come out to the bash. et voila fun for all.
I think I'm in agony aunt mode tonight.
(I helped save b3ta! jiva nearly always up for a game of scrabble, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:59, archived)
# unfortunately... home is here in Edinburgh.
...I'll be in a hotel with the rest of this office.
(I helped save b3ta! chaotic_illuminator proud spacehopperist, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:11, archived)
# pah
you can make an effort and poke your head round the door, at least.
(I helped save b3ta! Dr Phil Kitten, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:00, archived)
# i did
remember?

i'm not going to this time though

that's sorted then
(I helped save b3ta! isthisyou?, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:02, archived)
# why not?
Preserving your mysterious aloof tendencies? Too pussy to dress up? Pleading skintness?

Jolly poor show, I call it.
(I helped save b3ta! Dr Phil Kitten, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:03, archived)
# all
of the above
(I helped save b3ta! isthisyou?, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:08, archived)
# I'll try...
don't know our agenda yet, but I reckon I might be able to sneak up to Kentish Town at 7.30 down a quick one with you lot and meet my lot in whatever restaurant we're going to. Then we'll probably end up guttered in an overpriced club somewhere...
I can't cope with being a couple of miles down the road and not popping in!

[EDIT - don't think I'll have time before then to make anything to send in my place either... but I'm sure Rob will bring my head.]
(I helped save b3ta! chaotic_illuminator proud spacehopperist, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:08, archived)
# =(
me and stouffer will be there this time. i was hoping we could have a giant edinburgh contingent, and all tell lies about the loch ness monster
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:17, archived)
# Yes
Your head is about 5 feet from me at the mo. Still scaring me.
(I helped save b3ta! rob, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:26, archived)
# Days later he finally escaped from the other traffic sign...
(moobat, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:49, archived)
# Armed with his Maplin CCTV system....
Kenneth was soon hot on the trail of the missing custard creams....

(I helped save b3ta! Daz, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:37, archived)
# like
some kind of polar bear voyeur channel...
(I helped save b3ta! rogan, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:52, archived)
# I prefer
mature, amateur lesbian midget polar bear stuff myself.
(I helped save b3ta! curry monster, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:54, archived)
# It's always the same old story
Always remember to pillage BEFORE you burn
Click for bigger...
(lostpixel, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:26, archived)
# i like that
wunderbar!
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:38, archived)
# Spitzenklasse?
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:40, archived)
# oh
yes (but i do rather like that record)
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:42, archived)
# ..
:P
(lostpixel, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:41, archived)
# Great effort lad (as pop's used to say)! Defintly worth a ...
(MiNK, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:51, archived)
# lovely
hat! :)
(I helped save b3ta! rogan, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:40, archived)
# Dear b3tans
I thought this was going to be fun to make.

I was wrong.

[/desperate bid for the sympathy of strangers]
(I helped save b3ta! Natt, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:16, archived)
# It'll never work
Whoever keeps the house gets the friends. It just seems to work that way.
(I helped save b3ta! Artamnesia, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:19, archived)
# Fortunately,
I've hung on to the keys to the friends. She'll never get them to start. Mwah ha ha ha ha ha haaa!
(I helped save b3ta! Natt, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:22, archived)
# that ad
for radios is fantastic

nobody ever lost money by overselling something
(I helped save b3ta! littlebean, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:14, archived)
# I thought
so too.
(I helped save b3ta! Natt, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:23, archived)
# .
(I helped save b3ta! spassmonkey, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:13, archived)
# hahahaha..
8D
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:16, archived)
# fabularse
best thing I've seen in minutes
(I helped save b3ta! Slim has found god. He was down the back of the sofa., Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:17, archived)
# Let's see if this works:
(I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:10, archived)
# subtle, very subtle
we like
(I helped save b3ta! isthisyou?, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:49, archived)
# I almost passed it up
Very subtle -- the title works well with it.

Woo/Yay/Hoopla
(ChiTown Guy Dating when 35+: sane, single, attractive - pick 2, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:58, archived)
# i've been to chicago
but i didn't go out clubbing

if i went now, i would
(I helped save b3ta! isthisyou?, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 19:00, archived)
# .
(PurityShift, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:01, archived)
# very
HumanDescent-ish. is that u?
(BakeSnake, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:03, archived)
# i've been thinking the same
perhaps they were seperated at birth?
(zyn (thetix), Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:10, archived)
# sorry?
.
(PurityShift, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:16, archived)
# there's a regular here called Human Descent
who does pics that looks very similar to your stuff - see here
(I helped save b3ta! Slim has found god. He was down the back of the sofa., Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:24, archived)
# This human descent
http://www.humandescent.forplanetearth.com/
(I helped save b3ta! Artamnesia, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:25, archived)
# cool images
must use blur a lot - thats what I did to mine
(PurityShift, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:28, archived)
# His are
actually real pictures of the creatures he breeds on his island - he is a bit like a modern Dr Moreau.
(I helped save b3ta! curry monster, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:47, archived)
# hmmm.....
riiight
(PurityShift, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:48, archived)
# its all true
I tell you!
(I helped save b3ta! curry monster, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:51, archived)
# course it is
(PurityShift, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:53, archived)
# what spacefish did today (apart from stressful uni stuff)
boot clicky

it was going to be longer but i got bored. it was going to be better too, but i got talentless. enjoy!
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 17:58, archived)
# woo!
b3ta's been very musical lately...
that's excellent! what did you use to make it?
(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:01, archived)
# the breaks are from rebirth
the rest was just pushing sounds around in modplug. i *heart* soundtrackers
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:04, archived)
# oh me too
have you used Reason? that's my fave toy.
my latest attempt
(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:07, archived)
# I've....
...played about with Fruityloops, same sort of thing, v. good fun.
(The Fretful Porpentine, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:08, archived)
# fruity loops is cool
but a childs toy compared to reason
(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:12, archived)
# tis true
once you've got used to reason, you'll probably want to uninstall fruityloops to make room for some more dr.rex samples! (i love reason!)
(I helped save b3ta! spassmonkey, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:16, archived)
# cool!
wanna swap some tunes?
(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:18, archived)
# oo
can i join in the tuneswapping? i'm more of a VST junkie, always up for electronic tuneage tho.
(I helped save b3ta! zerolicious, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:32, archived)
# i liked that track!
i've got a copy of reason sitting on the floor somewhere. been meaning to install it for donkeys ears
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:09, archived)
# do it!
it am de best! real easy to pick up, and you get dangly wires at the back of the rack.
there's some tunes I wrote in AcidPro a couple of years back in my profile also
(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:12, archived)
# what bananaman did today (apart from being tired)
pic clicky

i don't think i'll add it to paintmash though. goes by the name of "flying carpet limbo"
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:03, archived)
# what isthisyou did today
wrote several thousand words about the need to conserve the snow leopard

sat in an office on his own

listened to orbital

developed neck- and eye-ache
(I helped save b3ta! isthisyou?, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:05, archived)
# apart from the pain, that sounds like a good day
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:06, archived)
# indeed
i would quite willingly do that
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:08, archived)
# i broke my beloved chair on friday
i spend too long on here
(I helped save b3ta! bananaman, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:06, archived)
# in the snow
in blue, white, brown, red, black and yellow
with a healthy glow
(I helped save b3ta! spacefish bong!, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:05, archived)
# That's very good!
Funky-Woo!
8)
maybe you would host one of my tunes?
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:09, archived)
# send it to

I'll host it for ya
(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:14, archived)
# There's a zero in munkt0n?
(hope you like my tune)
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:20, archived)
# there's is a zero yes
just checking my mail..
(I helped save b3ta! munkt0n, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:22, archived)
# Mine's on the way
right now...
(I helped save b3ta! Kaiser, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:29, archived)
# i've sent one too
.
(Mattyboy, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:42, archived)
# .
(Banky Edwards, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 17:53, archived)
# aww
sweet!
(I helped save b3ta! rogan, Tue 8 Oct 2002, 18:37, archived)

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