More Titanic tales, cos we had so much fun the last time
I made this!
Including an analysis of the menu, a look at which dogs made it out, and in-depth discussion of the bat-shit mental animated oddity 'Legend of the Titanic'.
A few sound snafoos, still figuring this podcasting thing out.
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ProjectWeasel The Bird is the Word, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 21:34,
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Preludes and Fugues in All the Major and Minor Keys Except for the Really Hard Ones (S. 3.14159, easy as)
Quite old, but made me laugh.
Worth reading it all while listening
And now I've got a new youtube hole to go down... (P.D.Q. Bach)
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Boot I want to know what you meant, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 21:34,
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Good old PDQ
I miss half the jokes though. The better the musical education, the funnier it is.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 17:01,
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That's one of my favourite youtube videos.
But oddly enough, after watching it many times, the best argument against the Moon landings being faked turns out to be that the Russians didn't even attempt to call bullshit.
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jonbob loves you, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 10:56,
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To me it’s people involved plus time
NASAs a civil agency and there were thousands of scientists, engineers, technicians, and their families involved in the Apollo program, along with collaborating scientists in telemetry stations around the globe. And it’s been 50 years. The idea that all those people would keep secret and lie about this big fake performance for that time, while you give equal credence to some nut job with YouTube channel, it takes a special kind of poor thinking that goes beyond ignorance. People who believe conspiracy theories do so not from limited information, though this is also usually true, but because believing makes them feel special. They then reject contrary facts as accepting them would be accepting that they were ignorant, and they’re special, right?
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 21:17,
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I knew Collins
He died last year here in Amsterdam.
He claimed to be a bit annoyed to be known as the moon-video guy, instead of his other works, but that may have been false modesty.
I think it's a brilliant rebuttal.
Not that it will have convinced those who wish to deny reality even if it pisses in their faces.
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Mex3 =mememe, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 12:33,
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I have a non-blood relative who is a flat-Earther, thinks space itself is fake*, so obviously the moon landings were faked.
I can dissect every single argument and answer every single question he has and none of it makes a difference to his faith in bullshit.
*He also believes in UFOs and alien abductions and refuses to acknowledge the contradiction.
It may be impossible to deprogram people who have been so radicalised, but we have to keep trying, right? :/
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 17:59,
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To me it seems that many of these people are sad cases of neglected mental ilness, compounded by social media addiction and substance abuse/self medication.
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Mex3 =mememe, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 21:50,
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The mental illness thing is a bit chicken and egg imo.
I expect everyone is susceptible to a sufficiently well-crafted paranoid conspiracy theory. There are definitely ill people who are drawn to PCT, and PCT can certainly give people health problems (directly via stress, and also by affecting your healthcare choices). It's a lot like religion.
This family member isn't a substance abuser AFAIK (just drinks and vapes). He has various health problems and mainly seeks alternative nonsense to remedy it. Social media is largely to blame, for sure.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 22:40,
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Religion is a conspiracy theory.
Belief is the heart of the problem - the crux of the biscuit.
If you're prepared to believe things with no evidence, then you're open to accepting conspiracy theories.
Science is about putting aside any belief, and looking at factual evidence.
Religion shits on science.
I treat Christians the same as Flat Earthers - they have exactly the same amount of evidence for their extraordinary claims, ie zero.
Religion is evil.
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I'm with reductive idiot ^
Religion is a mental health issue
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simbosan is too tired, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 10:36,
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Not quite the same thing.
You can actually provide evidence of a round Earth.
But you can't provide evidence that a hypothetical intangible DOESN'T exist, however flaky the argument might be that it DOES exist.
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joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 16:15,
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There's no need to provide evidence to refute a claim made without evidence.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 16:51,
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That was not the point of that argument.
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joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Fri 16 Feb 2024, 18:46,
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I got it.
I’ll make the tea shall I? I know I have a teapot somewhere…
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jonbob loves you, Fri 16 Feb 2024, 19:20,
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I agree with much of your sentiment but not so much with your arguments.
Most (if not all?) conspiracy theories rely on evidence, but the evidence they present is incomplete, misleading, or fabricated. Advance an idea, cherry pick evidence that supports the idea, and discredit evidence that falsifies the idea (often introducing supplementary conspiracies, some of which rely on the acceptance of other tangentially related conspiracy theories). It's a similar business model to the cross promotion within franchise fiction.
Most religions offer some form of evidence, even if it's obviously faked, merely anecdotal, and/or entirely unfalsifiable. Bad quality evidence is still evidence.
Religion is obviously the ultimate conspiracy theory, but many proponents claim that it's perfectly compatible with science and reason. Lots of religious people have won Nobel prizes in the sciences.
Science is not the narrow field you define it as, IMHO. There's a lot of science that goes on without any direct quantifiable evidence (several fields with the prefix astro, lots of pure mathematics, several fields with the prefix quantum, most social sciences, etc.)... Facts, like proofs, are subject to interpretation and change with new evidence, and that is the gift of science!
I'm fairly certain that all religions are false as their claims are arbitrary and parochial compared to the greater majesty of the universe revealed through science.
I'm fairly certain that the concept of evil belongs in fiction and theology but has no serious scientific application. It's a label given to things people would like you to stop thinking about, or just a value judgement suggesting something is irredeemably bad.
There are harmless forms of religion after all. Not all false beliefs have negative consequences.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 16:47,
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Why keep trying?
There is an argument in psychiatry that suggests that arguing directly with a patient who is deluded can entrench the belief system. The delusion may be serving a purpose for that person.
Religion is a lot like that for some people, consolidating a mass of fears about mortality, morality and having to think hard; into an easily digested and supported belief system.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 19:12,
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A) Maybe confronting his bullshit is a way of protecting my family against further memetic infection (and other toxic effects of his personality)
B) There are certain types of wrongness that just get my fucking goat.
C) Ignoring it or humouring him would seem more insulting than offering him the honest truth.
He has a short temper, a wide ignorance, and likes to dominate a conversation. I can't help myself.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 20:37,
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Sounds pretty toxic
Minimising the damage is probably the best you can do, they often don't learn. I'd 'grey rock' the fucker 'til they got bored of me.
I don't have energy for people like that (or much else for that matter).
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 21:50,
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It’s much easier to convince someone that a lie is true than it is to convince them that they’ve been lied to.
To do the former you merely need to overcome their intelligence; to do the latter you need to overcome their pride.
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jonbob loves you, Fri 16 Feb 2024, 9:25,
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Buzz was right
The best counter argument is a punch in the face
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 1:36,
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Wikipedia claims he "died of cancer at his home in Naples, Florida".
Their two references don't verify that though. They're just links to obits saying he died, and not where.
If you're 100% sure he died in Amsters, please let me know, and I'll edit it.
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S G Collins was the film maker in Amsterdam
Michael Collins was the astronaut that died in Naples, Florida.
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There's a rather good article in The Paris Review about moon landing conspiracy theories.
www.theparisreview.org/blog/2019/07/18/how-stanley-kubrick-staged-the-moon-landing-and-other-stories/
I'm somewhat on the fence about the whole thing, personally. If Scott Manley says that America had the technological capabilities to land men on the moon in 1969, then I have absolutely no reason to doubt him. But, I'm also absolutely certain that the American government had a contingency plan in place to make the mission appear successful should it never quite make it off the ground (so to speak).
Russia was arguably ahead of America in the space race during the '60s. Considering that it was the midst of the Cold War, those commie bastards beating the USA to the moon was practically unthinkable from a propogandist's perspective.
I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest (and sort of hope) that it does turn out to be a hoax. But I'm not particularly bothered either way.
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"I'm also absolutely certain that the American government had a contingency plan" - yet of course you have absolutely no evidence for that extraordinary claim.
"I'm not particularly bothered" - you should be, because the idiots who believe in conspiracy theory can vote. They put children off science, it reduces the investments, it stagnates progress.
To say there's overwhelming evidence that the Moon landings happened is a gross understatement. Thousands of photos, hundreds of hours of video, spaceships in museums, Moon rocks unlike anything from Earth, personal testimonies from thousands of people, carefully monitored around the world, and so on.
There's exactly the same amount of evidence that it was fake as there is of a flat earth: zero, zilch, nada. Just some crazy idiots making pathetic claims, which have been debunked over-and-over.
You've probably never been to Australia; do you think that doesn't exist? Are you "on the fence" about it?
What would you think if you met someone who wasn't sure Australia was real? You'd think they were crazy. Apply the same principle to the Moon landings.
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You can't be 'on the fence' without being a thundering moron
It's the classic opener for a genuine conspiracy nutter who doesn't want to be laughed out the pub. Pretty much same intellectual level.
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simbosan is too tired, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 11:17,
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'OIn the fence' probably wasn't the best terminology.
I do believe the moon landing took place. But I'd hardly die of shock if it turned out it didn't. Much like I'd hardly die of shock if it turned out the US Government allowed the 9/11 attacks to go ahead as a convenient excuse to go liberating.
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One thing little mentioned is disinformation.
Given the Cold War (and the shit flying around since the Ukraine invasion) isn't the simplest answer Russian disinformation. They are good at persuading rebellious adolescents (of all ages) that the parents (government) are tricking them. See also Trump.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 14:22,
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I think war is a different case
It’s always been difficult to tell what’s going on even if you’re in charge, and secrecy is important in military operations And Putin is an exKGB dictator of a totalitarian state at war, so he’s next level bullshit as you say.
NASA is a civil agency. Its funding might have come from government desire to compete with Russia, but they’re not military and they’re not at war. You could watch all their failures on live tv, and there was publicly available analysis into those failures with oversight and accountability
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 21:50,
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What the flipping heck has that got to do with Buzz Aldrin punching a guy in 2002?
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22 years ago
And a link to a moron conspiracy theorist's YouTube
= Blocked
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bloid ....dloibbloiddloibbloid...., Wed 14 Feb 2024, 7:40,
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I had forgotten about this song,
which is perfect in so many ways.
(Sound quality is a bit dodgy, but it's the only video with the original line-up)
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Mex3 =mememe, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 22:21,
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Doctors With Borders (Soggy Mustang) vs Honeystar
Apologies for the double post but I had to share.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 21:28,
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Priceless
I'd only seen a much shorter version before.
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tarka_dall Like normal dall, only a bit more spicy, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 17:42,
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I'm intrigued by how it appears to arrange the scene.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 18:41,
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that's lovely
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 1:20,
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Gregg Wowlace - shouty baldy man takes on a Kate Bush classic
I made this!
So there I was, In the planning stages of building a Gregg Wallace game, extracting soundbites from episodes of In The Factory. It occurred to me just how often Greggles says "wow". I know a song about that!
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Oh no
It was one of my favourite Bush tracks.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 14:59,
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Great work!
Best laugh of the day so far.
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tarka_dall Like normal dall, only a bit more spicy, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 17:40,
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I for one would be keen to play a Greg Wallace game
Keep us updated!
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VicJameson : fucking internet virgins since, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 18:11,
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(In case no-one got it...)
My comment related to this: twitter.com/DamianDemented/status/371649026334404608/photo/1
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an epiphany from a yank
I was watching this very show yesterday. It took a solid 15 seconds for my receiver to power on so I experienced both hosts facial expressions with zero sound and it hit me that we might have different cultural facial accents.
I was experiencing his excitement as anger as his eye brows we very intense and focused.
and cherry's as a passive aggressive empathy mixed with an appology.
For her the top of her forehead scrunches up when she's delivering information with the facial tone of "OMG that's a very small penis and that's not a problem at all" even though it's totally a problem and she is definitely going to tell all her friends about this.
Now to be fair I had been microdosing mushrooms so I was in an especially open and sensitive state of mind but I'm pretty sure I landed on an interesting cultural difference here.
Obviously it should be said I am aware this is not what they are communicating just like the Indian head wiggle looks like abject confusion when it isn't or the Thai wai feels uncomfortably subservient when it's not mean that way to the uninformed.
I'm curious if you brits take certain american facial expressions in a different way then they are meant.
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Ooh you cheeky sausage
12.06am - how long had you been preparing that :D
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miamistu snagglery, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 7:07,
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But how?
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 11:08,
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First Space Shuttle launch, from inside.
Edit: Not the first shuttle launch.
The first one going to the ISS.
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Ahem...
The first orbital shuttle launch was the logically-named STS-1 in 1981.
The confusingly-named STS-88 was the 93rd orbital launch of a space shuttle. It occurred in 1998 (12 years after the Challenger disaster, 5 years before the Columbia disaster), and was the first Shuttle mission to take part in constructing the ISS.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 19:49,
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At least they give the crew time to get comfortably seated
not like the shuttle they launched from the Amazon
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There were 20 people in space at the same time, last month
Equalling the previous record.
On the ISS, seven from the current mission, plus four private visitors.
Three on China's Tiangong. Six on a Virgin Galactic flight.
SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!! Space space wanna go to space yes please space. Space space. Go to space. Are we in space yet? What's the hold-up? Gotta go to space. Gotta go to SPACE.
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for the Virgin Galactic ones it's like running up a long driveway to a mansion where the inhabitants are having a party
and looking in to one of the windows for a few minutes before running back
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custard, Mon 12 Feb 2024, 23:32,
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With less gravitas
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hoppitygoestotown The temporal displacement occurred exactly, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 1:58,
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this is a good link
love his channel (ooerrr missus)
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simbosan is too tired, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 2:29,
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^Did not watch to the end.
(or even look at the thumbnail)
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 19:12,
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that's barnabus, the gift that keeps on giving
his excuse has evolved, he's now blaming mixing alcohol with prescription drugs, though given that he often tips turns up to parliament pissed and wobbly, the prescription drugs bit seems an unnecessary flourish. he was leader of the nationals, and still on their front bench.
Also famous for threatening to execute johnny depps dogs. Oh, and fathering a child to his staffer while married a la boris, while campaigning that gay marriage was against family values. And celebrating our women's football teams victory live on camera when it turned out he was watching a replay of a friendly that happened a month ago while the actual match was still in penalties. I could go on
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 1:19,
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Bit of a twat then?
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hoppitygoestotown The temporal displacement occurred exactly, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 2:01,
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Put me in mind of this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbOZccv9ym8
"At the opening of the Sydney Bridge Club they were fishing them out of the main sewers every half an hour"
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Hope you had a good day. Now unwind to the gentle sounds of a lovely Welsh stream. Then get wankered to forget how truly dystopian your life is.
I made this!
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Snorty McBumhole YouTube.com/MinistryOfGeeks, Mon 12 Feb 2024, 16:56,
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Is there any way that you could provide a 24-hour live-stream? (pun indented)
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I wish
This isn't on my land, so to do that I'd have to have a camera out somewhere, which wouldn't be a bad idea if I could find a nice one off the beaten track, but then there's the broadcast problem, this is rural Wales and mobile signals are spotty at the best of times.
Or I could just loop this video longer and call it a livestream, haha.
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Snorty McBumhole YouTube.com/MinistryOfGeeks, Tue 13 Feb 2024, 9:21,
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Happy Candelabra!
I have a stream about 100m away (N.Wales) but sit watching other people's on the interwebs.
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FeralCatMan Long ads need comments sections, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 14:26,
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It is your duty to eat bacon and eggs today
Today is Collop Monday. You have to eat all the bacon and eggs before Lent. Tomorrow is Shrove Tuesday when you fill your face with pancakes.
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You cannot ever go wrong with bacon and eggs
And pancakes the next day yay!
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spazzcaptain Misses Valin @, Mon 12 Feb 2024, 22:35,
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