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JollyJack - a stench from the past, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:36, archived)

"without"

Frame 1

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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:41, archived)

Bah!

Your pedantry was swifter than mine.

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Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:46, archived)

oh, f**k.

*edits*

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JollyJack - a stench from the past, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:50, archived)

I think you missed a "without" in the first panel.

:EDIT: Dammit Mofaha! >: <

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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:44, archived)

IE9 is better than the latest Firefox.

In my humble opinion.

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:46, archived)

nonsense, Chropefari is best

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pzyko Query failed., Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:48, archived)

I quite like Firefox 4

IE9 just seems to have copied features from Chrome and Firefox anyway.
(Much like iOS5 has from Android)

*Quickly goes and hides under rock to avoid fanboy flaming*

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Evil_Badger isn't really evil, but is a badger., Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:52, archived)

Not a fanboy of any of them myself.

Although I have predominantly used FF, Chrome was an instant uninstall.

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:55, archived)

Really!!

I never really gave Chrome a chance. It seems pretty quick and well laid out, but I have a lot of plugins for Firefox and am familiar with its shortcuts and preferences.

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Evil_Badger isn't really evil, but is a badger., Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:01, archived)

I appear to be using Firefox 5

seems more stable than 4

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Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something., Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:05, archived)

firefox is shit, I'm clinging on for dear life to my mozilla based flock browser

but even they've gone now :(

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prodigy69 broke b3ta and made everyone leave, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:52, archived)

What's the problem with Firefox?

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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:57, archived)

I don't like the look of it, it changed to much for my liking.

their time as web browser of choice stopped as soon as I found the mozilla based flock.

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prodigy69 broke b3ta and made everyone leave, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:05, archived)

Yeah, the layout now is horrible.

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:08, archived)

even flock went that way, horrible browser design....then they closed doors last year

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prodigy69 broke b3ta and made everyone leave, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:11, archived)

You know the old layout is about four clicks away, right?

Because it's Firefox.

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Kamikaze Stoat £4.09, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:39, archived)

I have just tried about 40 clicks.

Cannae find it.

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:42, archived)

View -> Toolbars,

Tick Menubar to hide the Firefox Button, untick Tabs On Top to put the tabs back below.
Customize for moving Stop/Refresh and Home around.

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Kamikaze Stoat £4.09, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:46, archived)

Haha, thanks.

I feel even more retarded than usual now.

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:52, archived)

To be fair, it's not explained very well.

And if PluginContainer is giving you trouble, it may be worth disabling any plugins you don't use (Silverlight, Quicktime, Java etc) in Addons Manager. All PluginsContainer does it house these things so they don't bring everything else down if they crash.

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Kamikaze Stoat £4.09, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 16:00, archived)

Done and done, thanks again!

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 16:04, archived)

plugincontainer.exe is pure fucking gash.

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:58, archived)

it makes everything slow, it's like dancing in mud with 2 hippos on yer feet

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prodigy69 broke b3ta and made everyone leave, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:08, archived)

Camino is pretty good.

Edit: *slaps self* Sorry, Mac only. me being an idiot.

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J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:05, archived)

Communicator 4.71 FTW

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Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:23, archived)

Nonsense!

IE 4 FTW

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betpet is the fun in dysfunctional, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:35, archived)

Netscape

(macroscian (1 like), Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:41, archived)

Mosaic

Get in there!

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betpet is the fun in dysfunctional, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:46, archived)

is it crap then?

I've no experience of it

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bilbobarneybobs I'll be 14 in b3ta years soon., Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:46, archived)

I still only know 3 or 4 people that use Macs (yes that includes you Bobs)

are they really that market dominating?

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:53, archived)

*waves*

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bilbobarneybobs I'll be 14 in b3ta years soon., Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:53, archived)

If things continue the way that they are going; I can see Macs taking over from PCs over the next 10 years.

Apple hardware is everywhere and as most PCs have M$ sh*t smeared all over them from the get-go, people will start leaning toward the former as first choice for purchase.

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JollyJack - a stench from the past, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:57, archived)

Google could easily be market leader within 10 years

I would say they were a more familiar brand to most people and their chromebooks are out any day now.

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:58, archived)

I think the whole "cloud" thing is ultimately doomed.

Would you trust your work 100% to an external location?
F**k that.

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JollyJack - a stench from the past, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:00, archived)

It's just a fad, you know, all the cool kids are doing it.

I agree, although for non-important/work stuff it's good, especially for all those with tablets with only 16/32gb.

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:03, archived)

One huge issue is that big businesses in the US mainly use PCs

and the costs of retraining staff and replacing software is prohibitive. Inertia is a powerful thing.

Ah, posted this in the wrong place.
Cloud computing is another thing altogether. I think the real issue with that is that you'll lose control of almost every part of your work process, from the software you use to the availablilty of your resources. I'm too paranoid to feel comfortable with that.

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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:04, archived)

Why would you put 100% of your work in one place?

All google stuff can be saved locally/backed up to disks if you want

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:05, archived)

It's not just about files...

the "vision" is that your workstation will just be a terminal... even the software you use will be in the cloud, and you'll pay for access per session. It's about control of resources.

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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:07, archived)

Oh fuck, does catnippp know about this?

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:09, archived)

Go ahead and laugh.

That's exactly what the lizards want you to do.

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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:15, archived)

I like a certain aspect of that

especially as Google make more and more stupidly expensive things obsolete for the average user (like MSOffice)

If I could avoid the overpriced subscriptions that I am forced to pay for Autodesk products, or have a pay as you go version I'd be quite happy.

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:14, archived)

Hahah MSOffice is obsolete?

Try handing an non-Office text or spreadsheet file to a business client over here.

Also, it simply is not credible that prices would go down if software was in the cloud. You'd be in a position where your progress on a task could be effectively held to ransom because you don't own the means of production (there, I said it). It's naive to think that companies would not take full advantage of that position.

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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:22, archived)

well it's made my life easier

instant conversion of stupid docx files and all that sort of thing.
Plus obviously being able to get on with work even if I'm working in a strange office on someone else's computer without having to try and convince the IT twat that a portable hard drive isn't a security risk. lovely stuff :)

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:32, archived)

Trust me, I'm not advocating for MicroSoft or their fucking horrible products.

The reality of my situation though is that everyone I deal with uses MS, so I have to.

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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:34, archived)

Gah!

They said the internet was just a fad and will disappear soon enough.

Just think, I loves my dropbox I do. That's the first step!

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betpet is the fun in dysfunctional, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:37, archived)

Nonsense.

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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:02, archived)

A few years back, the ipod appeared.

Then the iphone and now the ipad. Apple is asserting itself and becoming more and more prominent.
M$ leads NOW, no argument, but will they in the future?

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JollyJack - a stench from the past, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:08, archived)

In terms of desktops

I think they'll continue to dominate for many years to come. They're so thoroughly entrenched, particularly in businesses.

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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:09, archived)

I agree

Unless you have a specific app that uses a Mac, the Windows PC will stay dominant. You don't see Mac servers and the like on the market in the same way you see MS ones. If they have Windows servers, they'll stick with windows PCs and the multitude of existing software for them.

Then there is gaming...

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betpet is the fun in dysfunctional, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:39, archived)

There are reasons why a lot will not go to Apple

Take their approach to apps. If they don't want you to install it, you can't. And when people tried to jailbreak their phones to install non-Apple approved apps, they were attacked by Apple lawyers. Its your device, but they won't let you do what you want with it.

Support wise is terrible too. They ended support for iPhone 3 less than two years after they stopped selling it. Most mobile contracts are 2 years these days. So people are stuck with phones that Apple refused to protect from ongoing mallware threats.

And as for viruses...

(Wize, Tue 21 Jun 2011, 7:25, archived)

So what's your take on Macs then?

(cenaris Is dividing 3 by waffle, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:06, archived)

I've used them for over a decade for doing music production and photography capture (massive files)

The good thing about them is they are super stable and when everynow and again an application goes a bit pear shaped it holds its hands up right away rather than doing the MS 'no, no, everything's fine, honest no really, nothing wrong here' ... However, when it comes to ipods/pads/phones they can go and fuck themselves...

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claptonista ,the idiot boy.........., Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:12, archived)

I have no problem with that at all

I have an old generation iPod and I just use it as that. But I don't mind when people criticise Apple for that kind of stuff.

(cenaris Is dividing 3 by waffle, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:15, archived)

When my Macbook broke (they did fix it for free when it was out of warranty) and I went to one of their shops........

Fuck me...it's frightening.... borderline Scientology convention...
shudder..

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claptonista ,the idiot boy.........., Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:18, archived)

It's the cult of the mac

(cenaris Is dividing 3 by waffle, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:20, archived)

hands up right away?

www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/25/apple_acknowledges_macdefender/

(Wize, Tue 21 Jun 2011, 7:28, archived)

apple mac - great for graphic design

apple anything else - utter shit with a short life span.

pc - don't have any problems apart from updating graphics cards every few years

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prodigy69 broke b3ta and made everyone leave, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:26, archived)

Damn right about graphics cards

particularly for fussy gamers like me.

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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:37, archived)

depends..

every design department i've worked in over the last 15 years has been mac dominant. i've been mac at home for the last 10, as have more of my mates than not, and last week, unprompted by me (though probably influenced by using my macbook while staying with me) went out and bought a new iMac to replace her windows pc.

macs have their faults, but as a dual platform user, with a windows desktop for my cad systems, i tend to be the only person who has to call for the IT dept to clean up, and it's only ever my PC.

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moke a man, a plan, a canal, panama!, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:44, archived)

If only using Apple products didn't make me want to destroy the entire universe starting with the stupid goddamn fucking one-button mouse piece of shit

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emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 14:58, archived)

did you not sell your belongings and upgrade to the PC like 2 button or the 3rd mortgage strokeable mouse?

I'm sorry, you're not rich enough to get the most out of our products, please only enter the apple store with this paper bag labelled "leper" on your head from now on.

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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:02, archived)

Haha!

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:04, archived)

It's only ever when I've been freelancing in an office

and they say "we've only got Macs here" and then it takes me about 20 times longer to do my job because it's like working with one hand tied behind my back while the "user-friendly" OS does its level best to hide all the files I've been working on

It's like using a computer designed by a retarded cretin

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emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:08, archived)

You're serious, aren't you?

So you never found the 'files created today/this week / month etc' one-click search that's built into any finder window?

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J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:19, archived)

I'm serious

I just want to see a file tree. I really don't understand why Apple have such an aversion to showing me one.

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emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:21, archived)

Sorry, I'm really not trying to be contrary.

But Finder windows do use list/tree views:
km.support.apple.com/library/APPLE/APPLECARE_ALLGEOS/HT2470/304725_02.png

That's what I have set as default, as I agree with you, it makes finding stuff much easier.

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J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:33, archived)

But then you go to find another file location, perhaps to copy something

and it loses where you were before so you have to go through the whole rigmarole again

I can feel my blood rising just imagining it

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emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 16:10, archived)

Hang on a minute...

The one-button mouse thing is way old news. They've been shipping with multi-touch mice for ages. Also, like upgrading the shit headphones you get bundled with MP3 players, if you've got any chops at all, you'll buy a decent 3rd party wireless mouse.

Like my trusty Logitech, loyal little beasty that it is.

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J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:04, archived)

Not in any office I've ever had to work on one in

Also, whoever designed their "Finder" thing wants shooting in the fucking head

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emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:10, archived)

You work in 1992

aicmfp

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J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:15, archived)

I wish I did

fags would be cheaper

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emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:15, archived)

ABSOLUTELY

and their keyboards have no Home and End keys!!

Mainly they are like the US... Far too insular and protective.
Their way or the highway.

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Evil_Badger isn't really evil, but is a badger., Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:06, archived)

What is this - The Daily Mail Accuracy Club?

wsnet.colostate.edu/cwis13/product_images/MB110LLA.jpg

Home and end keys... ffs!

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J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:09, archived)

Oh! Sorry...

I was only basing that knowledge on Mac book Pro keyboards.
(The ones with the unibody cases)

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Evil_Badger isn't really evil, but is a badger., Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:14, archived)

The reason I'm always packing a full-scale external keyboard!

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J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:16, archived)

Kinky.

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:21, archived)

A Hash key on the Mac Book pro would be nice.

I still don't know where it is! Um...!@£$%^&*()_+-={}[]:;"'|\,.?/# Ah there it is!
Alt 3

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Smithlick is often seen at the bottom of threads, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 17:23, archived)

I still think it's scandalous

that people pay so much for an ipod and get the crappiest fucking earphones ever supplied with it.

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Geoff the Clownfish You know Myra, some people might think you're cute, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:07, archived)

People who buy iPods are, quite frankly, idiots

and deserve everything they get

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emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:11, archived)

My current mp3 player is acting up.

Any suggestions on what to get?

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:13, archived)

I have an 8Gb Sony Walkman

it's a little beauty

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emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:14, archived)

I remember the days when all they used was that ghastly atrac3.

I will have to do some research.

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:19, archived)

Sansa Clip+

With Rockbox installed

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fuscous, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:21, archived)

Oooh sounds intriguing, danka!

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:22, archived)

Yeah, all dedicated MP3 players should die...

As almost all smartphones nowadays can play music and video, why carry around 2 things, just upgrade to a modern phone and scrap the extra unit.

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Evil_Badger isn't really evil, but is a badger., Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:18, archived)

I don't want a smart arse phone, maybe if it sucked my cock I'd get one.

But until then...

;)

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:24, archived)

But they don't turn you into a smart arse.

Google maps on your phone is worth 'the price of admission' alone and then if ya don't wanna use anything else just have a shiny new phone.
Most non-'smart' phones can play MP3s too nowadays, so it's just common sense to merge devices.

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Evil_Badger isn't really evil, but is a badger., Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:43, archived)

Google maps & Locations on my htc are both shit

Worked better on my old Nokia N95

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Geoff the Clownfish You know Myra, some people might think you're cute, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:45, archived)

Very true.

There's a guy in the office here who carries a Blackberry, iPod, 2 iPhones and an HTC (which is very lovely, incidentally).
I guess he's keeping his tailor in employment by the amount of pockets he must wear out.

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J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:47, archived)

Oh dear.

I carry a phone and a small mp3. Hardly weighs me down and I don't need a utility belt!

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:57, archived)

^THISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHIS

I don't care if they've improved them since. They had their chance, the one time I was forced to do a bit of photoshopping on a mac about 5 years ago and they blew it.

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Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:53, archived)

Chrome all the way

Never had a single problem with it.

(cenaris Is dividing 3 by waffle, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:06, archived)

pssst

not a unique award ;)

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real i'm not happy 'til you're not happy, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:09, archived)

KILL IT WITH FLAMING SHITHAMMERS

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emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:13, archived)

Becker just called him a girl during Wimbledon commentary.

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tokyosexwhale Straight From my Mind Penis..., Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:26, archived)

Isn't that dead yet?

The Mighty Wanker, more like.

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J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:37, archived)

I like Noel Fielding.

He reminds me of a girl I knew.

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Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:48, archived)

I wholeheartedly agree with this

Writing cross-browser code is easy until...

...IE6, 7, 8, and now 9. I wonder if they'll get it right with 10*
*doubts

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Puromycin is still licking windows, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:17, archived)

I call bullshit

Android is trouncing apple on the smart phone front and Windows is on most PCs with *Nix taking the remaining server market.
As for apple hardware the macs now all use intel hardware.
It's a product without a use, Try Ubuntu it has a similar interface and is free

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Paul_P http://www.Paul-hub.com, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:40, archived)

I tried Ubuntu, I needed therapy afterward.

I was going to do a Linux+ course to go with my other certs, just haven't gotten round to it yet

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Whato_Jeeves Did your surgery require a vaginal mesh patch?, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:48, archived)

I really dislike Ubuntu

Give me Solaris unix anyday

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Paul_P http://www.Paul-hub.com, Mon 20 Jun 2011, 15:52, archived)