I don't thinkthis has to do with that.
We in American have lived in such a bubble about the entire terrorist thing for so long. I think what that boo-hoo about was their loss of innocence.
Heym I have a question for you all.. what if terrorists crashed a plane into Big Ben?
mmm?
(We in American have lived in such a bubble about the entire terrorist thing for so long. I think what that boo-hoo about was their loss of innocence.
Heym I have a question for you all.. what if terrorists crashed a plane into Big Ben?
mmm?
Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:22,
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m-i-n-d-p-i-s-sdammit.
(
Cromagnon Don't waste my motherfucking time!,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:26,
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i hope they dothe houses of parliament is such an ugly building
(
Spoon,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:24,
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Okay...Now you ALL say that. But it hasn't happened, so you don't know HOW you'd react. I myself remember it quite clearly... my feelings that is. Not anger, American Pride or any of that crap. I didn't know anybody who died that day. But what was nice, was the feeling that everybody had towards each other for the LONGEST time afterwards. That sense of unity... THAT was cool.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:26,
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Well yes.As long as you didn't look a bit foreign.
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Baz Fuck off,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:28,
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that your leaders tookto screw nations over for oil & power
real nice
(real nice
Darkedge,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:28,
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Hey...I cannot be blamed for the actions of our president. He's wrong, and so is Tony Blair.
There are no "WMD's", and we all know it.
BUT.. support the troops at least.
(There are no "WMD's", and we all know it.
BUT.. support the troops at least.
Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:33,
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I don't supportUS troops. They are poorly trained and are murdering innocent civilians.
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Monkboy,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:36,
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and getting paid for itand will all claim compensation afterwards for trauma.
( popt_art,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:39,
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They get paidvery poorly though. Only 1000 $ a month and no compensation for being stationed abroad. I know that many of their wives need welfare support...
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 16:50,
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HOW DARE YOU!Remember, your troops are over there too.
Poorly trained... pah!
(Poorly trained... pah!
Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:42,
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not that we want them thereat all & and I don't support them - I pity them for having to do a stupid job and possibly die for companies like Exxon.
( Darkedge,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:45,
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WHAT???You HAVE to be joking... right?
that is without a doubt one of the most misinformed I've ever read from you.
ANd you are always such a lovely argumentative person!
(that is without a doubt one of the most misinformed I've ever read from you.
ANd you are always such a lovely argumentative person!
Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 18:15,
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so going intoIraq wasn't to secure the oil supply?? Oh really?
I enjoy a good argument, however you don't seem to really have the intelligence to understand half of what is being said to you. Unfortunately this is too much of a one sided argument so I'm going to give up and leave you to your misinformed, childish, bigoted, xenophobic, racist views.
(I enjoy a good argument, however you don't seem to really have the intelligence to understand half of what is being said to you. Unfortunately this is too much of a one sided argument so I'm going to give up and leave you to your misinformed, childish, bigoted, xenophobic, racist views.
Darkedge,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 18:24,
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That's itKeep it up Darkedge. No better way of showing just how informed you are than to resort to openly insulting the other party.
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 15:20,
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Yes poorly trained...Oh look an evil enemy convoy quick bomb it.
Oh, it was a BBC camera crew with some of our allies.
Repeat..
(,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:46,
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Oh, it was a BBC camera crew with some of our allies.
Repeat..
soldiers are there because they have to bereporters are in the way because they're stupid. It would take a VERY big paycheck for me to stand in the vicinity of a 22 year old with a machine gun. Especially if he's done nothing since he was 18 other than get psychologically fucked with so that he will be hoping, not only willing, to shoot something. Reporters either know what the risks are (in which case it was their decision) or not (in which case killing them probably raised the average IQ).
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:02,
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look mateno matter what you say, the rest of the world hates america, thinks you are all cocks and treated 9/11 as a day of entertaining tv.*
*i am not legally entitled to speak for the rest of the world
(*i am not legally entitled to speak for the rest of the world
dipdapdop,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:54,
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Let's try a little reason, shall we?Wow, look at all the hateful bashing of the colonies.... I have several points to make on this
1) The US military is not poorly trained, just trigger happy. I was in the US military and also took advantage of opportunities to train with British, French, Australian, Tongan, Japanese armed forces. My biased opinion is that the average US infantry marine could stomp any other infantry soldier.
2) The job of any government is to provide for the best intrests of the country it represents. Any drivel about oppression, fairness or any other bleeding-heart sentimentality is just bullshit and doesn't belong in a political environment where jobs need to get done.
3) The US soldiers may have been the first in combat in Iraq, but they're not the only ones... Until your country/countries pull all their troops out, shut your cockholsters.
4) America is no more a "teenager flexing it's muscles" than britain was when the phrase 'the sun never sets on the British empire' was true. You had your time, you're in no position to judge.
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 16:24,
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1) The US military is not poorly trained, just trigger happy. I was in the US military and also took advantage of opportunities to train with British, French, Australian, Tongan, Japanese armed forces. My biased opinion is that the average US infantry marine could stomp any other infantry soldier.
2) The job of any government is to provide for the best intrests of the country it represents. Any drivel about oppression, fairness or any other bleeding-heart sentimentality is just bullshit and doesn't belong in a political environment where jobs need to get done.
3) The US soldiers may have been the first in combat in Iraq, but they're not the only ones... Until your country/countries pull all their troops out, shut your cockholsters.
4) America is no more a "teenager flexing it's muscles" than britain was when the phrase 'the sun never sets on the British empire' was true. You had your time, you're in no position to judge.
Brits vs. YanksTHANK YOU FOR YOUR STATEMENTS; I AM TOO UPSET BY ALL THIS HATE FROM OVERSEAS I CANNOT CLEARLY STATE A CASE!
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:30,
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Innocent civilians?You mean those guys wearing civilian clothes that keep shooting at the troops? Yeah, our troops have been trained to return fire. Shame on them.
In the meantime, lets forget about the thousands of UNARMED innocent civilians they killed in the world trade center. Let's also forget that they've been killing each other for thousands of years now, just not as effectively as we can.
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 18:01,
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In the meantime, lets forget about the thousands of UNARMED innocent civilians they killed in the world trade center. Let's also forget that they've been killing each other for thousands of years now, just not as effectively as we can.
innocent civilians?how about the innocent civilians who've died in this wholly unjustified "war"? how about the innocent civilians who die at the hands of the state of israel, whom we support financially? how about the innocent civilians in central america who die at the hands of generals trained by OUR military, in Georgia? I am an American who, like the rest of the world, is more than fed up with American militarism.
perhaps it is not the fault of the soldiers... but you know, if you look at it that way, the holocaust wasn't the fault of the german civilians who were "just doing their job" killing the jews, either. i don't buy that "it's what they were trained to do" garbage. it's KILLING A HUMAN BEING, no matter how you look at it. killing to avenge killing in no way should be an acceptable foreign policy. didn't ghandi say an eye for an eye makes the world go blind?
i will never, EVER, say i support the troops. until the day supporting the troops means bringing them home to their families, where they belong.
(,
Sat 11 Oct 2003, 3:21,
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perhaps it is not the fault of the soldiers... but you know, if you look at it that way, the holocaust wasn't the fault of the german civilians who were "just doing their job" killing the jews, either. i don't buy that "it's what they were trained to do" garbage. it's KILLING A HUMAN BEING, no matter how you look at it. killing to avenge killing in no way should be an acceptable foreign policy. didn't ghandi say an eye for an eye makes the world go blind?
i will never, EVER, say i support the troops. until the day supporting the troops means bringing them home to their families, where they belong.
Welcome to Earth.People have killed people for as long as they've been around. Killing happens, it's not a fun reality, but it's reality nontheless. There's lots of things about the world that suck, get over it.
(,
Mon 13 Oct 2003, 15:34,
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why support the troopswhat they are doing is wrong - I cannot support any of it.
We are not blaiming you directly. Thats the problem with america is they now think everyone is out to get them. They arn't. 90% are just trying to survive. I cannot condone any acts of terrorism or war or capitalisic genocide/torture/rape.
(We are not blaiming you directly. Thats the problem with america is they now think everyone is out to get them. They arn't. 90% are just trying to survive. I cannot condone any acts of terrorism or war or capitalisic genocide/torture/rape.
Darkedge,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:40,
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Maybe part of the reason for the US's paranoiais that we're constantly being put on the defensive for anything that our government does... Have the posts on this thread are a perfect example.
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 23:00,
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UrmmmYou don't have to feel "on the defensive" unless you actually support them.
I hear this a lot from you guys: Yes, we know George Bush is an idiot. But he is our LEADER.
hello
(,
Sat 11 Oct 2003, 9:00,
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I hear this a lot from you guys: Yes, we know George Bush is an idiot. But he is our LEADER.
hello
I get defensive whenpeople attack "Americans" as a whole.... Attack George Bush all you want. After all, I didn't vote for him and don't think he should be allowed anywhere near the White House.
(,
Mon 13 Oct 2003, 16:00,
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As you saidto an extent it was America's wake-up call to terrorism. We're a bit more used to it over here.
( supermoore: HUNG,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:28,
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I would imagine so....
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:34,
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So sick_boy,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:28,
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The trouble with Englandthough, is, if that happened, all the knobby skinhead, football-liking violent-heads would get all cocky and start beating up everything. National pride, in England, is wee
(,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:28,
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indeedwhy is it, if your foreign friend loves his country, the media call him a Patriotist, if we love our country, the media call us Nationalists...
( timothy claypole,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:57,
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It's a good pub game. If I was a terrorist I'd crash a plane into ...Canary Wharf? Get a lot of business people. Destabilise economy.
Big Ben? International landmark. Iconic.
Swings and roundabouts this terrorism lark.
(Big Ben? International landmark. Iconic.
Swings and roundabouts this terrorism lark.
rob,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:24,
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A bit pointless though.Isn't it going to be demolished anyway?
( supermoore: HUNG,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:27,
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Crash Concorde into it.Kill 2 white elephants with one stone.
( supermoore: HUNG,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:31,
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concorde is great thogranted, its fucking expensive, but it represents the best of british design.
consider this..
concorde: 25+ years of service - 1 crash
boeing: 35 years of service - LOTS of crashes
(consider this..
concorde: 25+ years of service - 1 crash
boeing: 35 years of service - LOTS of crashes
lo, the OTHER greebo warrior,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:34,
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okay, i'll admit itthey helped slightly
( lo, the OTHER greebo warrior,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:38,
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That's just averages though isn't it?Look at the relative miles flown by each design. There must be 10,000 boeings flying every day, and only 6 Concordes in total.
( supermoore: HUNG,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:37,
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in a way yesbut how many boeings were engineered to deal with the stresses of supersonic flight?
excluding jet fighters
(excluding jet fighters
lo, the OTHER greebo warrior,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:39,
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Well,being as they don't fly at supersonic speeds, not very many I shouldn't think. My Skoda isn't engineered to do 200mph.
( supermoore: HUNG,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:45,
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not reallyit was a spontanious post, i may have a few numbers wrong
( lo, the OTHER greebo warrior,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:40,
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Consider this:Try dividing the number of crashes by the number of planes.
Just a thought. And an unfluffy one. Perhaps I should go to the pub.
(Just a thought. And an unfluffy one. Perhaps I should go to the pub.
Cromagnon Don't waste my motherfucking time!,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:40,
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percenatges can make anything sound worse than it actually is lo, the OTHER greebo warrior,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:46,
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Nahthey's sold it for about 1/10th of what it cost to biuld. Someone's gonna build an "entertainment" venue inside - casino's & stuff
( thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:30,
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If they hit Parkway in Camdenthey'd take out a load of Estate Agents. That'd get my vote.
( Baz Fuck off,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:25,
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Albameans 'Dawn' in Italian. So this means you are eating the leftovers from the last night-
I might be lying.
(I might be lying.
Monkboy,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:29,
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Hoxtonfly a plane into Hoxton. And Clerkenwell, only wait until I'm working from home first.
( thorpe www.voodootrombonequartet.com,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:29,
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Poplarfucking shithole that is.
what the luftwaffe didn't destroy, the local council did
(,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:36,
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what the luftwaffe didn't destroy, the local council did
Big Benis the name of the bell.
The tower (which is what I think you are referring to) is called St Stephen's Tower
/pedant
(The tower (which is what I think you are referring to) is called St Stephen's Tower
/pedant
Duncan Disorderly,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 23:09,
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heywhat is a massive political power sat there and fucked over any country smaller than itself??
mmm?
(mmm?
Darkedge,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:24,
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Well...less that 100 years ago, Great Britain?
Or, here's one. Churchill KNEW about the impending attack on the Luisitania... yet did NOTHING because he wanted Roosevelt to join the war.
I tell you, you fucking Brits are pretty damned smug for people who have NOTHING on us when it comes to oppression, strife, secrecy and an all around bad track record with the rest of the world.
(Or, here's one. Churchill KNEW about the impending attack on the Luisitania... yet did NOTHING because he wanted Roosevelt to join the war.
I tell you, you fucking Brits are pretty damned smug for people who have NOTHING on us when it comes to oppression, strife, secrecy and an all around bad track record with the rest of the world.
Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:29,
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Actuallywe just had longer to do it than you've had yet.
( Cromagnon Don't waste my motherfucking time!,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:31,
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Indeed...Give us a few hundred years.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:41,
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It wasn't just GBFrom about 1800 and below every major European country were bastards. Killings, genocides, crusades, wars, plots and oppression all round. Was all the rage.
(
jme,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 18:02,
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so America is charged withacting just like every other European country did when they were less than 300 years old? Wow, no wonder the hypocrites are coming out of the woodwork.
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:10,
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Experience?Yeh, but they have our experience to work from.
lets hope John Titor was right
(lets hope John Titor was right
Ulic hissing slightly,
Sat 11 Oct 2003, 10:51,
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We do a good linein self-depricating humour though.
( supermoore: HUNG,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:32,
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We learned from historyAmerica is like a teenage thug flexing it's muscles. Hasn't got a fucking clue. And any american who takes the moral highground with oppression is a cunt of the highest order.
( sick_boy,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:32,
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Oh really?Lets talk cunts shall we?
Oh Mr. Arab... and since you don't LIVE HERE I'll enlighten you... LOADS.
Most Arabs I know here are smug, capitalistic, greedy FUCKS who would KILL you for $100. But they're still American, so, on Sept. 11th, they felt the same any American would. And they still do. You forget, that the AMERICAN Army isn't just White, Christian MEN... It's men AND women from ALL walks of life. Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, hell, even Satan WOrship is at least tolerated here in America.
And if you are so Gung-Ho about being an Arab, about "Iraqi" pride and what-not.. why are you living in Britain? Is it because life is EASIER for you there? Maybe you should go back to femenine-oppression, worshipping and living by an out-dated code. THEN complain.
People who live in glass houses...
(Oh Mr. Arab... and since you don't LIVE HERE I'll enlighten you... LOADS.
Most Arabs I know here are smug, capitalistic, greedy FUCKS who would KILL you for $100. But they're still American, so, on Sept. 11th, they felt the same any American would. And they still do. You forget, that the AMERICAN Army isn't just White, Christian MEN... It's men AND women from ALL walks of life. Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, hell, even Satan WOrship is at least tolerated here in America.
And if you are so Gung-Ho about being an Arab, about "Iraqi" pride and what-not.. why are you living in Britain? Is it because life is EASIER for you there? Maybe you should go back to femenine-oppression, worshipping and living by an out-dated code. THEN complain.
People who live in glass houses...
Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:40,
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WTFAYBOA?You seem to have lost your focus somewhat.
( Baz Fuck off,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:46,
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I think so...my final point is actually all I should have written.
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:47,
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we know werein a glass house.. at least we have the sense to open the windows when we are throwing bricks
( Darkedge,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:49,
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He isn't an araband you sir are a racist.
that a MASSIVE generalisation.
I'll enlighten YOU:
Most corporations would kill you for $50 extra profit. Make you feel better?
(that a MASSIVE generalisation.
I'll enlighten YOU:
Most corporations would kill you for $50 extra profit. Make you feel better?
Darkedge,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:48,
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Is it?How do you know? Are you here?
Most British people I know have bad teeth.
Most Irish people I know like to drink.
Most Asian people I know are really, really bad drivers.
Most Caucasian people I know can't dance.
Most fat chicks I know are UGLY.
Most tall people I know are wimps because they have never had to stick up for themselves.
Most Italian people I know eat ALOT of pasta.
And he stated so himself in a post not too far up the board there.
(Most British people I know have bad teeth.
Most Irish people I know like to drink.
Most Asian people I know are really, really bad drivers.
Most Caucasian people I know can't dance.
Most fat chicks I know are UGLY.
Most tall people I know are wimps because they have never had to stick up for themselves.
Most Italian people I know eat ALOT of pasta.
And he stated so himself in a post not too far up the board there.
Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:56,
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so you've just proved yourselfto be bigoted and racist.
I applaud you.
(I applaud you.
Darkedge,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 18:00,
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I think we could at xenophobic to that as well thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 18:03,
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I think we could add xenophobic to that as well thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 18:03,
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In his defen(s/c)eMost British people have (relative to Americans) bad teeth.
The Irish like a drink. It's true.
Italians eat pasta, and probably quite often.
I Can't speak for the driving. I think most people on the road are really bad drivers. But most Americans drive in very simple environments, and I always find it funny seeing them trying to drive when the roads aren't 80 foot wide and straight for 200miles, and when the car isn't choosing the gears, and the engine isn't purposely limited to only giving 0-60 in about a week.
Sorry. Didn't mean to get involved in this one.
(The Irish like a drink. It's true.
Italians eat pasta, and probably quite often.
I Can't speak for the driving. I think most people on the road are really bad drivers. But most Americans drive in very simple environments, and I always find it funny seeing them trying to drive when the roads aren't 80 foot wide and straight for 200miles, and when the car isn't choosing the gears, and the engine isn't purposely limited to only giving 0-60 in about a week.
Sorry. Didn't mean to get involved in this one.
wonko the sane,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 22:58,
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Which means that if an American calls someone a bad driver, they must really suck...If Americans are bad drivers, and consider asians bad drivers, it gives an indication of how bad asian drivers must be.
I know this is a massive generalization, I know several asians who drive as well as anyone else. Unfortunately, most people I flip off in traffic seem to be asian due to their tendancies to drive half the posted speeds, take up multiple lanes, never use a signal or check blind spots before making turns or lane changes, and so on...
Also, lets not forget that the Americans invented the car. I think that, in regards to national driving customs, that should afford us some level of authority.
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 16:36,
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I know this is a massive generalization, I know several asians who drive as well as anyone else. Unfortunately, most people I flip off in traffic seem to be asian due to their tendancies to drive half the posted speeds, take up multiple lanes, never use a signal or check blind spots before making turns or lane changes, and so on...
Also, lets not forget that the Americans invented the car. I think that, in regards to national driving customs, that should afford us some level of authority.
eerrmmmmm....I think your wrong there.....
"In 1889 Daimler and Maybach placed their engine into a horse carriage and drove the car at speeds of 12 miles per hour. They had therefore produced the first four-wheeled automobile. After the men had designed a gearbox and a belt-driven mechanism to steer the wheels, they decided to sell the cars." - not a yank in sight.....sorry!
("In 1889 Daimler and Maybach placed their engine into a horse carriage and drove the car at speeds of 12 miles per hour. They had therefore produced the first four-wheeled automobile. After the men had designed a gearbox and a belt-driven mechanism to steer the wheels, they decided to sell the cars." - not a yank in sight.....sorry!
the bonzo dog , down on Jollity Farm on,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:09,
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Ever heard of Henry Ford??That name ring a bell at all? The guy that invented the assembly line? The transmission?
He was the one to invent the automobile AS WE KNOW IT... better? BTW, he released the FIRST automobile (without horses) in 1896.
If it helps, here's a simple biography.
inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blford.htm?terms=Henry+Ford
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:24,
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He was the one to invent the automobile AS WE KNOW IT... better? BTW, he released the FIRST automobile (without horses) in 1896.
If it helps, here's a simple biography.
inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blford.htm?terms=Henry+Ford
WankerYou're thinking no doubt of Ford? That may have been the first example of mass production in automotive production but you are very, very wrong. Buy an encyclopedia. A children's one with pretty colour pictures should do nicely.
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:26,
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Should I provide some more links?Or would you prefer that I draw you a pretty picture with crayons?
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:30,
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From your own fucking link you tagnut:The first car manufacturers in the world were French: Panhard & Levassor (1889) and Peugeot (1891). By car manufacturer we mean builders of entire motor vehicles for sale and not just engine inventors who experimented with car design to test their engines - Daimler and Benz began as the latter before becoming full car manufacturers and made their early money by licensing their patents and selling their engines to car manufacturers.
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:37,
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What did you not understand aboutclarification I made above? "As we know it today"... do you get that? He was the first person to make vehicles available to the common man. If it weren't for Ford, the automobile would be as widespread as jet aircraft. Plenty of them around for businesses and the extremely rich, but you can't afford one.
Can I make it any clearer? Possibly use smaller words?
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:52,
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Can I make it any clearer? Possibly use smaller words?
Very childishHaving realised that the argument is lost, it is in particularly poor sport to redefine your initial statement. It is also a bemusing strategy on a blog where the whole argument is laid bare. I refer you to my initial post.
EDIT - Shit - I didn't think you'd be as low as to go back and edit your initial argument. Pussy.
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 18:00,
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EDIT - Shit - I didn't think you'd be as low as to go back and edit your initial argument. Pussy.
Nearly as childish asdouble posting, straying from the point I was trying to make in my initial post, and looking so closely for things to misinterpret that you miss the fact that I ammended my statement before you posted initially.
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 18:05,
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Not to mention childish name callingAnd I didn't edit my initial post, I ammended it with an second post.
(,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 18:12,
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The reason asian drivers seem bad over hereHaving spent a bunch of time in Taiwan recently I can explain why immigrant asian drivers seem bad over here. First off you have to understand in Taiwan at least (maybe not so much Japan but definately mainland China as well) there are a zillion scooters whizzing around at all times and nobody pays much attention to the lines on the road or the "rules" really at all because if you did you would never get anywhere. They drive slow so that they can react quickly if something jumps out of a side street. Now over here (Europe, North America) mostly follow the rules of the road so we can drive a lot faster. It's more of a cultural thing - not just that they can't see over the dash (although I love that effect when it looks like the car is driving itself)
If you took a good driver here and dropped them in a car in Taipei they would probably be considered a bad driver and get in quite a few accidents until they adapted as well
(If you took a good driver here and dropped them in a car in Taipei they would probably be considered a bad driver and get in quite a few accidents until they adapted as well
nocarrier,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:40,
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I can understand that.When I was in the military, I had to drive a military Hummer through residential japanese streets...
They probably thought I was a maniac, since the vehicle was as wider than the lane, the steering wheel was on the left side, and I drove at standard American speeds.
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Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:49,
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They probably thought I was a maniac, since the vehicle was as wider than the lane, the steering wheel was on the left side, and I drove at standard American speeds.
None of us are saying that any of that was goodor that it never happened.
( Baz Fuck off,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:32,
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oh yeahI'm not saying we wern't bad IN THE PAST.
But seem to have taken over the mantle - doesn't mean it isn't still wrong.
And Henry Ford sold trucks to hitler - yeah bad innit.. just as guilty.
Some of us however would like to stop the circle of violence and destruction. Not escalate it to support our ailling weapons sales, ensure that the 25% people who use 65% of the world resources can continue raping the planet. Don't accuse me personally of being bad - I said YOUR GOVERNMENT.
They are wrong not necessarily you, but what has been done by many people is wrong. That is a FACT.
(But seem to have taken over the mantle - doesn't mean it isn't still wrong.
And Henry Ford sold trucks to hitler - yeah bad innit.. just as guilty.
Some of us however would like to stop the circle of violence and destruction. Not escalate it to support our ailling weapons sales, ensure that the 25% people who use 65% of the world resources can continue raping the planet. Don't accuse me personally of being bad - I said YOUR GOVERNMENT.
They are wrong not necessarily you, but what has been done by many people is wrong. That is a FACT.
Darkedge,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:36,
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There is something you fail to realize in all of this though.Americans are British, Irish, Scottish, French, Polish, Russian, Turkish, Spanish, Iraqi, Portughese, Icelandic, Norweigan, German, Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Japanese, Iranian, etc...
America is the world.
(America is the world.
Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:46,
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Americans are Americanexcept for recent immigrants who make up less than 2% of the population (CIA Factbook)
Just cos your great-grandfather was Polish/Irish/Spanish/Mexican doesn't make you Polish/Irish/Spanish/Mexican...
(Just cos your great-grandfather was Polish/Irish/Spanish/Mexican doesn't make you Polish/Irish/Spanish/Mexican...
thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:51,
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Of course that only counts legal immigrantsNot the thousands of Mexicans that hop the border every month, or people immigrating with "student visas" then vanishing into the background when their visa is getting ready to expire, or boatloads of cubans and chinese...
Of course, the vast majority of American residents were born in the US, but raised by first of second generation immigrants with traditions dating back to ancestral countries. We don't squash those as effectively or frequently as Europeans do...
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Fri 10 Oct 2003, 17:33,
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Of course, the vast majority of American residents were born in the US, but raised by first of second generation immigrants with traditions dating back to ancestral countries. We don't squash those as effectively or frequently as Europeans do...
or likes to think it isin reality you have worse ghettos now than 30 years ago.
Integration? Oh fuck off.
Britain isn't just white anglosaxons you know.
If the USA is the world - We are well and truly FUCKED.
Thrown out of the Human rights commission of the UN for more Human Rights abuses than ANY OTHER COUNTRY.
Refused to let UN inspectors in to check the votes when Bush came to power, yet used their power in the UN to force that on many other countries.
Any more?? What about your poution abuses, backed out of a treaty that every other country in the world had signed.
Grr. Don't try that tack either.
(Integration? Oh fuck off.
Britain isn't just white anglosaxons you know.
If the USA is the world - We are well and truly FUCKED.
Thrown out of the Human rights commission of the UN for more Human Rights abuses than ANY OTHER COUNTRY.
Refused to let UN inspectors in to check the votes when Bush came to power, yet used their power in the UN to force that on many other countries.
Any more?? What about your poution abuses, backed out of a treaty that every other country in the world had signed.
Grr. Don't try that tack either.
Darkedge,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:55,
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With this...I have not disagreed.
But your desensitization on something Americans feel a strong connection to is immoral and down-right rude.
Bush is a tweunt... plain and simple. And all that fucking war has to do with is the fact that Saddam tried to kill his father.
It's retarted. Don't call ALL of us baby killers, because we're not.
(But your desensitization on something Americans feel a strong connection to is immoral and down-right rude.
Bush is a tweunt... plain and simple. And all that fucking war has to do with is the fact that Saddam tried to kill his father.
It's retarted. Don't call ALL of us baby killers, because we're not.
Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 18:10,
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Except that if you're a 'British American' and you have both passports, it is *illegal* to travel to the US on the other one.You *must* travel on your US passport.
This is like saying, I don't mind what you call yourself in private, in public you must wave the flag and do the dance. Hardly tolerent is it.
You see, all the Americans I know say that this is fine, after all if you are a dual-national then of course you'd want to reject the non-American bit.
Funnily enough, everyone else thinks it's jingoistic nonsense.
P.S. My G.F. is dual national (IRE/US) which is why I know this.
(This is like saying, I don't mind what you call yourself in private, in public you must wave the flag and do the dance. Hardly tolerent is it.
You see, all the Americans I know say that this is fine, after all if you are a dual-national then of course you'd want to reject the non-American bit.
Funnily enough, everyone else thinks it's jingoistic nonsense.
P.S. My G.F. is dual national (IRE/US) which is why I know this.
Hagbard ... it's been a long time.,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:55,
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Then why is it so difficultto travel to Britain and get a job?
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:57,
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What?You appear to have missed the point of that post entirely ...
( Hagbard ... it's been a long time.,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 18:00,
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America is not "the world".Being an American, I assure you that this is a huge stretch... Americans might have ancestral ties to the rest of the world, but that means nothing in the big picture. I'd even hesitate to call the UN 'the world'. Granted, Hollywood has helped infiltrate American culture and ideals into the rest of the world, but we can't claim to be representative.
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Fri 10 Oct 2003, 18:29,
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Or here's oneRoosevelt knew about the impending attack on Pearl Harbour and had their modern aircraft carriers moved to a different location and replaced them with out of date battleships.
He willingly let Americans die so that the rest of the American population would agree with his decision to go to war, so he wouldn't have to make an unpopular decision.
(He willingly let Americans die so that the rest of the American population would agree with his decision to go to war, so he wouldn't have to make an unpopular decision.
fishsticks,
Fri 10 Oct 2003, 15:19,
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And here's anotherBush knew about the intended terrorist activities and about using aeroplanes to carry out these actions. So why did he do nothing about it?
Was it perhaps to draw the US into a war against terrorism?
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Mon 13 Oct 2003, 14:55,
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Was it perhaps to draw the US into a war against terrorism?
Anyway, we've been living with IRA terrorists for years.Funded by Americans to a large extent.
( Baz Fuck off,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:24,
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Irish Americans...to be exact. Maybe you should leave their country then... mmm?
( Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:27,
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we would love toBut I think it's got to a point that the Irish, aren't desperate to have the likes of Ian Paisley in their country either
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Pootle,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:30,
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I don't think that's true really.Most Irish Catholics and Protestants would be happy with any democratic rule. It's only the *tiny* minority who see either (a) the British as an occupying army in N.I. or (b) the people in N.I. as part of Britain (in the same way the Scotts are).
To blindly talk about Ireland (as a whole) being 'their' country is to completely fail to understand any of the historical issues around it. Southern Ireland (Eire) is Irish. Everybody accepts that and not even the most staunch of Loyalists would think of trying to take over the entire area.
N.I. on the other hand has been under British control for many years and a large number of the people there consider themselves British. British by birth. They consider that their parents and grandparents were British. A small minority of these people take violent issue with claims that N.I. belongs to the Irish (in the same way the a small number of the N.I. Catholics take issue with the notion that it belongs to Britain).
It's a really fucked up situation, but one thing it ain't is clear or obvious.
(To blindly talk about Ireland (as a whole) being 'their' country is to completely fail to understand any of the historical issues around it. Southern Ireland (Eire) is Irish. Everybody accepts that and not even the most staunch of Loyalists would think of trying to take over the entire area.
N.I. on the other hand has been under British control for many years and a large number of the people there consider themselves British. British by birth. They consider that their parents and grandparents were British. A small minority of these people take violent issue with claims that N.I. belongs to the Irish (in the same way the a small number of the N.I. Catholics take issue with the notion that it belongs to Britain).
It's a really fucked up situation, but one thing it ain't is clear or obvious.
Hagbard ... it's been a long time.,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 18:08,
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And go where? Back to England?! Not bloody likely....As much as Europeans would like to absorb the culture that has become a world power in less than 300 years, I don't think America will be going anywhere... Thanks for the offer.
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Fri 10 Oct 2003, 16:43,
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Talk to the Native Americansthey may not agree with you...
( thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:31,
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Like your president Kennedyand it is called Noraid you twat
( sick_boy,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:36,
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what is noraid?mmm?
Ohhh... duy!
NOW I get it...
nah, I don't have a twat, but I got some last night. unlike you.
(Ohhh... duy!
NOW I get it...
nah, I don't have a twat, but I got some last night. unlike you.
Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:51,
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I missed being blown up by an IRA bombby about 10 minutes, once.
Though once is quite enough for me
/dull fact
(Though once is quite enough for me
/dull fact
Pootle,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:28,
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Sean Hughesduring a particularly fine live set, went on about how americans were always coming up to him and slipping him 20 dollars and saying it was for the "boys back home"...only when Sean talked about it he made it funny. As opposed to boring, like what this is.
Can I go home now please?
(Can I go home now please?
brainstuff can eat a whole shredded wheat,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:28,
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If a terrorist crashed into big benthen he's have to be a really good pilot because the tower where big ben is situated is small - as is big ben, only being a bell.
Moreover, if this did happen, we'd all blame the Americans for it as it would be your fault, as it's your foreign policy that got us all into this position in the first place. It's your troops who are killing innocent civilians by the thousand. It is your government that is sponsoring Israeli terrorism.
Have I made my point? Now I'm going to be fluffy
(Moreover, if this did happen, we'd all blame the Americans for it as it would be your fault, as it's your foreign policy that got us all into this position in the first place. It's your troops who are killing innocent civilians by the thousand. It is your government that is sponsoring Israeli terrorism.
Have I made my point? Now I'm going to be fluffy
Monkboy,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:27,
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That's not true though...It is JEWISH foreign policy that got us all into this...
And America and Great Britain support Isreal. Probably going back to the horror or whatever of the holocaust. Guilt and all.
(And America and Great Britain support Isreal. Probably going back to the horror or whatever of the holocaust. Guilt and all.
Scoopzilla http://www.slapwatch.com now get to fuck,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 17:50,
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britain for one doesn'tpay 30 BILLION a year to Isreal like USA does..
Oh and is that guilt as you felt the nazi menace "Wasn't your problem"? Stop trying to defend stupid actions by slaggin of other people. Learn from the past ffs.
(Oh and is that guilt as you felt the nazi menace "Wasn't your problem"? Stop trying to defend stupid actions by slaggin of other people. Learn from the past ffs.
Darkedge,
Mon 6 Oct 2003, 18:02,
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It's got nothing to do with the holocaustit's because the Allied countries need to maintain a presence in the middle east to protect their own investments in the oil industry. We can't have trade agreements with a country only to see it's government destroyed by one of the random ongoing wars muslim countries perpetuate.
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Fri 10 Oct 2003, 20:21,
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