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for who?

for you?

just wait till they ban something you like to do
it's the start of something much much bigger

and also, like a few peeps here point out
it forces a lot of parents to smoke only at home
in front of the kids

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:25, archived)

I donno, as a non-smoking barman it was godsend

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AutoPrawn is glad we're living in the future now, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:27, archived)

i don't disagree with most of it, and as a smoker i don't like to blow smoke at people

but to not give anything back, no "designated smoking ares, no ash trays in public, it's wrong

what you going to do when they decide to ban drinking as
the only way to cut the cost of looking after hurt drunkards of a weekend?

it's already happening

first the warning labels
then the social outcasting
then the ban

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:32, archived)

*can't be arsed doing this discussion any more*

*but agrees with you*

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Debbilgrrrrl is kinda back, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:35, archived)

You don't have a right to smoke though

so you can't expect provision for it.

(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:35, archived)

you do when you boost the tax coffers by billions and billions every year

or, in the same vein you don't have the "right" to drink

and yet my tax mney is still wasted every weekend scooping you wasted fools off the streets
patching your split heads back together
and feeding you breakfast after the fights you started :)

not YOU obviously :)

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:38, archived)

No-one has the right to drink alcohol either

If you have an issue regarding the cost of alcohol-related crime you can take it to your MP. The issue, I mean, not the crime.

(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:40, archived)

sorry, start again

i don't want to stop people drinking
i don't want to stop people smoking

these are the the only pleasures of the working class
those that empty our bins and clean up our shit

soon they'l have nothing, and they'l come a knocking on our doors wanting to know why :)

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:42, archived)

That's a very defeatist attitude

I write to my MP quite a lot (well, email) and it does make a difference.

Managed to get someone off Death Row once. :D

(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:45, archived)

i feel pretty defeated

i want to be able to smoke
but i can't

i've been repressed, and no-one can give me a good enough reason why

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:46, archived)

You're a white heterosexual male

You don't know anything about repression.

Why can't you smoke outside?

(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:48, archived)

i've got ginger hair,

i know all about repression.

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:49, archived)

this!!

calling some ginger IS AS racist as calling a nigerian a coon

but it's all about who shouts loudest in this world

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:56, archived)

oh apparently it isn't

as the important parties like to draw a distinction

personally I call the "rudeness due to genetic differences" to be one thing

but it's all about socially acceptable rudeness isn't it, as you say, those who shout loudest

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discomeats This canoe, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:12, archived)

white hetrosexual men are the scapegoats of the twenty first century

who do you depict commiting crime when you don't want to offend a minority?
a white hetro male
thanks for that, i don't mind really

of course i'm not a Ugandan Refugee
my life is pretty easy,
but who is commiting the genocide in our modern times?
i can't say, i might be called racist
where does all the red nose money go?
not to the people that need it, but to the corrupt in power
be they white black or whatever

it's not race against race, it's those with power agianst those without
and that's what a lot of people miss

yes there were black slaves, but there just as many white ones too
so why should we as a race appolagise for something
the elitist scum of yesteryear forced on ALL OF US?

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:54, archived)

you need a nice relaxing fag mate

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:57, archived)

it's exactly where i'm going

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:59, archived)

I think you're missing the point

It's not about apologising for slavery.

(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:59, archived)

i'm just ranting

i don't care what the point is

i'm going to smoke :) catch me if you can!!!

*wheezes*

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:01, archived)

You rant away sweetie :)

(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:03, archived)

at the end of the day

in a country with the highest child poverty in europe
is worrying about smoking the biggest problem on our government's list of things to do?

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:06, archived)

Your point is well made

I just don't think the smoking ban is worth getting upset over.

(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:11, archived)

i'm just spending 10 mins getting it all off my chest

at the end of the day, as long as i'm not chased by riot squads for sparking up, i don't care

i wonder what will happen in other euro countries though
like the coffee shops of Amsterdam
banning smoking in those would be mental!

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:18, archived)

it's simpler to pretend to temporarily fix a problem thus solving the issue forever

then to actually deal with reality

and if you'll excuse me, I have to plaster my town with WHERE'S MADDIE posters

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discomeats This canoe, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:15, archived)

ha ha!!

i like smoke free pubs

i just don't know if i like the fact that as a smoker, i couldn't open a smoking pub just for smokers
it's the having the choice taken away that's scary
even private clubs, where everyone pays to join
surely they should have last say what happens

if they smoke and you don't like it, don't join shirly??

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:20, archived)

Go back to reading the Daily Express

(Cuthbert Annihilator, Thu 7 Jun 2007, 12:08, archived)

because it stinks you big smelly!!!

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:48, archived)

SO DOES YOUR CAR!!!!!

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:00, archived)

Surely

the main factor that's never really mentioned in these arguments is that smoking is addictive, and the free will of the person saying they "want" to smoke is limited in that respect, so the argument becomes less "It's repressing my free will" and more "it's forcing me to come to terms with my addiction"

/blurts out some random words

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The Neville What what what, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:51, archived)

At last, a voice of reason

And the argument about "it will force people to smoke at home in front of the kids" is also bollocks. The nature of the addiction is not such that if you smoke for an hour, you don't need one at home. If you smoke in the pub, then you already smoke at home...

(Super Jet Shoes, Thu 7 Jun 2007, 11:48, archived)

the government have deem that you don't have the right to smoke where you want to

so have made it more difficult for you in the hope you will stop.

even though you ahve an easy access point to get to your lungs, i don't think the NHS wants to open you up again.

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Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:52, archived)

but you could say that about so many things

so why just us??

why isn't macDonalds banned?
why isn't hard liquor banned?

it's one sided nonsense

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:59, archived)

it isn't banned

you just can't do it exactly where you want to... and unfortunatley I think it's natural progression and probably has as much to do with the amount of money generated by smoking going down naturally as it has to do with government's concern with health issues... if you'd been sitting in your office, 20 years ago, 25, you could have had a smoke at your desk quite nicely

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:00, archived)

it's to the very tip of being banned

push it any further and it will be illegal

illegal to do something as old as the human race itself
since we first discovered fire, we've smoked
and we've survived, we've lived on

but it doesn't fit the governments little view
of us all as battery hens, making sure they squeeze
every last tax drop out of my working bones
just so they can spend it on posh lunches in brighton

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:04, archived)

They won't ban it

it's a nice little earner

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fuscous, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:07, archived)

That's a falsehood

NHS spending due to smoking related illness outweighs taxation revenue. So, people die and taxpayers fund it.

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Carlossus, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 13:03, archived)

But it's for your own good.

Think of the children.

Besides, the rules of the game have changed.

*bokes*

(MSB Load universe into cannon. Aim at brain. Fire., Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:10, archived)

Rubbish - you can't smoke inside with a pint in your hand. So?

and the government which has been so strongly set against you throughout history has played a significant role in getting people to smoke, in the interest of the government at the expense of the people.

Also I don't think you can argue that smoking is as inate a human characteristic as, for example, making fire, music or whatever...

although apparently it is the reason why America speaks English rather than French or Spanish

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:11, archived)

Burp! 'scuse me!

If you eat McGonads or drink hard liquor in an enclosed space, it isn't going to affect anyone elses health.

If you smoke in an enclosed space, it will affect other peoples health. What gives you the right to inflict all the diseases associated with smoking on other poeple?

Smoke all you like, but don't force other people to smoke too.

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cantshopforshit, Thu 7 Jun 2007, 0:41, archived)

what do you mean

we don't have a right to smoke?
of course we do

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Aphex The Mink Snackless, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:42, archived)

no you don't

it's in the ten commandments

YOU SHALT NOT HAVE A PUFF!!!

who does make up these so called "rights??"

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:43, archived)

Says who?

You?

(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:47, archived)

who says we don't?

you??

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:48, archived)

European convention on human rights

Doesn't mention it

(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:51, archived)

a lot of things are covered without being

mentioned specifically though.

and how do you know this anyway?

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Aphex The Mink Snackless, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:53, archived)

I've read it

(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:02, archived)

this^

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Aphex The Mink Snackless, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:52, archived)

Rights are not granted by a government.

They are only ever taken away - hopefully for a good reason, such as preventing small children from driving.

The mindset that considers that you need government permission to do something is a dangerous one.

/liddle bit o' politics

(MSB Load universe into cannon. Aim at brain. Fire., Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:52, archived)

Sensible thinking, that

But I think it might be better phrased as "Smokers don't have a right to smoke anywhere they want to"

Much like I think I should have a right to wander naked anywhere I want to, but apparently that's just not on!

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The Neville What what what, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:11, archived)

"smokers are prohibited from exercising their freedom to smoke in location X because of reason Y".

I think if you look at a lot of the reasons given, they don't really hold up to scientific scrutiny or 'common sense'. A special smoking conservatory was shut down at my workplace because you can't smoke indoors anymore. Of course only people smoking actually went in there...

As for being naked, I think the Naked Protester guy is bang on the money. That the human body per se is illegal is fucking stupid. Clearly flashing kids etc. is something to be legislated against, being naked and just hanging out shouldn't be.

But I'm just an old skool Liberal. No-one listens to the like of me any more.

(MSB Load universe into cannon. Aim at brain. Fire., Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:55, archived)

So if I buy orange juice

I have no right to drink that?

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fuscous, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:49, archived)

Of course you do

But you don't have the right to drink it where you please.

Try buying some orange juice then trying to drink it in a clothes shop, or a cafe other than where you bought it.

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NobbyNobody 21 years a b3tan, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 20:45, archived)

drunks that get hurt should have to pay for their own medical bills.

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Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:35, archived)

they're talking about that - it might not be too far away

edit: certainly for the cost of having to get an ambulance out to look at a drunk and confirm they're not actually dying when some poor buger somewhere else is.

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:37, archived)

^^ this ^^

Or we should burn them to provide heating for the ederly.

(duck Quack !, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:38, archived)

And the cost of cleaning up their sick

And compensation to me for pissing me off.

At bloody half ten in the morning too.

(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:38, archived)

and the fear i have walking home alone

and that i pray i don't bump into a bunch of drunkards
who wouldn't say boo to a ghost sober, but would kick
two shades of shit out of me for a laugh when drunk

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:41, archived)

erm ok

and what if they don't pay?

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:40, archived)

Take their spleen

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The Neville What what what, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:43, archived)

yum

can i have it on toast?

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:44, archived)

spleen on toast?

Blech! Sicko

Right, I'm off to get myself some sardines-in-tomato-sauce on toast (quite seriously)

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The Neville What what what, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:46, archived)

forced kidney donation.

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Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:55, archived)

but you can only do that twice though at most

(tarbin tarbis, tarbit, tarbamus, tarbimus, tarbant, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:29, archived)

Assuming they have a job or bought the drinks

they do pay, though tax

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fuscous, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:45, archived)

yes, but does that give them the right to brawl on the street?

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Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:00, archived)

If the fight is between consenting adults

yes

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fuscous, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:06, archived)

i think you find it's still a public order offence

even if they are consenting.

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Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 12:15, archived)

Yes! Ban drinking!

It's a darn sight more dangerous to a person's mental and physical health than tobacco (and that's saying something).

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Hamster Trippin' aka Mr. Titts, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:42, archived)

bang fucking on

this is what I've been saying to all the non-smoking drinkers who support this ban.. YOU'RE NEXT

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Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 20:08, archived)

I get your point

...but I've never became ill from passive drinking before.

(WonkoTheSane, Sun 10 Jun 2007, 15:33, archived)

OMG WTF!!

GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY TO TAKE OUR RITES!!

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Sonic 2 and Knuckles, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:28, archived)

No loud talking!

To guantanamo bay with you!

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AutoPrawn is glad we're living in the future now, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:29, archived)

all the kids are out getting some good old fashioned under aged drinking in

so they're sorted..

also - I think it's a good idea, it works well here in Scotland and you meet loads of cool smokey people when you stand outside 'avin' a faaag... although I smoke a pipe, so I'm shunned and laughed at by almost everyone

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:29, archived)

i heard violent crime was on the increase

due to all the smokers loitering outside of pubs?

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:32, archived)

yeah - the publican propaganda machine has been working hard

it's all complete rubbish.

Pubs are better now than they were before. Some people I know who wanted to stop smoking but couldn't have done now.

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:35, archived)

cool

i'd rather it wasn't true

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:47, archived)

it's not

what is true is that without smoke all pub smell of piss and cooking fat

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:50, archived)

the start?

it's not the start

the start is long long past started

this is just another notch on the bedpost that we have to lie on and be fucked off with

I forsee... "licenses" for everything, it'll happen

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discomeats This canoe, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:29, archived)

abortions for those that want them

tiny flags for the rest of you.

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Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:30, archived)

Papiere, bitte?

Wo sind ihren papiere?

:D

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discomeats This canoe, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:33, archived)

well don't have kids then

or don't be such a fucking selfish parent and force your children to breath in your smoke, you inconsiderate cunts.

and another thing, don't smoke in your god damn cars when your kids are in the back either. having the window slightly ajar doesn't mean your kids won't breath in the smoky fumes.

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Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:29, archived)

this^

Spawn responsibly

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AutoPrawn is glad we're living in the future now, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:31, archived)

indeed

i quit way before thoretta was born, and before that i only used to smoke in the garden.

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Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:32, archived)

the TV repear man can request you to stop smoking 3 hours before he arrives to fix your telly

i've been smoking solidly for 15 years and i haven't got cancer

occasionaly spending 15mins in a "smoky smelling room" will not kill you
well, no more than that shitty diesel van he turned up in in the first place

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:35, archived)

Im not that Nazi about smoking usually

They're your lungs, do what you want. But recently I didnt drink/go out for over a week and when I was next exposed to cigarette smoke my eyes stung and my throat felt raw. That and my clothes and hair smelling of smoke are the two main reasons that I support the ban.

So if I was that TV repair man I would'nt be complaining about the cancer, just the stinging eyes etc.

(Mr._Pickles, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:48, archived)

Exactly

Smokers don't seem to realise how awful cigarette smoke is. It makes a non-smoker's eyes sting, their throat feel tight (or sometimes even hurt), it triggers coughing and makes them smell like a burning rat's rectum.

Unfortunately, there's too many smokers who have no respect for those around them. If more smokers actually gave a damn about where and when they lit up, there would be no need for a ban. I just feel sorry for those who DO smoke responsibly.

(WonkoTheSane, Sun 10 Jun 2007, 15:42, archived)

~~responsibly~~ incessantly

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:32, archived)

I saw a lovely family the other day in the pub

both the little kiddies were drinking coke and botht he parents were chugging away on fags over a pint.

Reminded me of the old days when everyone wasn't COMPLETELY FUCKING OBSESSED WITH LIVING FOREVER

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Debbilgrrrrl is kinda back, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:32, archived)

i try live my life and have a laugh

but i never drink when i'm with my daughter.
not in the pub, not at bbq's.
pisses the mother in law right off when she say 'i got some strongbow' and i say 'nah ta'

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:34, archived)

Way back when you were happy to reach the age of 40

Donno about you but I quite like the idea of still being fit and healthy when I clock 60+

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AutoPrawn is glad we're living in the future now, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:35, archived)

So there are no healthy over 60s now

who grew up when smoking was actually good for you?

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Debbilgrrrrl is kinda back, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:36, archived)

yeah

but there are also hunners of them who have to breathe through a hole in their neck.

ninjad because people are unlikely to have more than one neck

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:38, archived)

win some, lose some

please show the death certificates that say 'cause of death: passive smoking' on them

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Debbilgrrrrl is kinda back, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:40, archived)

They don't tend to show tertiary causes

More's the pity.

(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:43, archived)

tertiary cause of death

being alive in the first place

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Debbilgrrrrl is kinda back, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:46, archived)

Ha ha ha

(Pachey, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:49, archived)

they're unlikely to exist - neither will certificates which say smoking killed this person

but smoking does kill people

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:45, archived)

i see lots of that sort of thing here.

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:41, archived)

throat and mouth cancer is one of the nightmare ones in my book

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:48, archived)

BBC radio recently talked to UK oldest war veteran

who at 110 years old,still enjoyed smoking,and drinking!

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CanonCaliber A big bore, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:42, archived)

but they probably didn't spend the imposrtant part of their lives sitting infront of a chuffung computer

and eating high fat high sugar processed food... so that might be a factor

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Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:46, archived)

It's not about how long you live

It's about quality of life and not being an inconsiderate cunt to others.

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Hamster Trippin' aka Mr. Titts, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:48, archived)

unfortunately some folk are like that

and don't give a shit, as they are in their own little world and well, let's just say it's part of what makes me see everything as fucking complete and total bullshit

but sigh :(

/fucking one shitty life experience after another blog

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discomeats This canoe, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:32, archived)

i don't have kids

next question

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The King of Hats Cone of shame, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:33, archived)

is that by choice or does your right hand have trouble conceiving?

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AutoPrawn is glad we're living in the future now, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:37, archived)

good plan, that man

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Debbilgrrrrl is kinda back, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:37, archived)

this
/self righteous ex smoker

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Want Bartender Time gentlemen please.., Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:34, archived)

then they should exercise some self restraint and smoke by the back door or something!!

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ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Wed 6 Jun 2007, 11:29, archived)

Well, don't get too worked up

At least they're only banning things like smoking, communism, being jewish, and trade union membership.

Pffft. Wake me up when they're banning something that affects me.

(morner, Thu 7 Jun 2007, 13:45, archived)