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The Temperature in Hell
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(Catnipppp, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:37, archived)
# ALL ABOARD THE SKULLTRUCK
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:37, archived)
# NEXT STOP, FUCKING IDIOTVILLE USA
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:40, archived)
# "OH NO JOHN! This town has been taken over by zombies."
"Don't worry honey...they're just fucking idiots."

*panning crane shot*
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:42, archived)
# "Oh no John, I'm so scared, my hands a trembling so much I can't even rub my pussy...could you rub it for me."
"...well"
"Oh that's so much better. God your hands feel good."
"That's not my hand."
"My you are a lucky man then."
"No I mean I'm standing over here."

*cue elaborately choreographed vagina-zombie hand fight*
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:47, archived)
# Continue...
Please!
(I helped save b3ta! Koba http://sexycooladventures.blogspot.com/, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:48, archived)
# Hey, that was my favourite episode of Hannah Montana, too!
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:51, archived)
# Mine is the one with the nip-slip
(I helped save b3ta! Koba http://sexycooladventures.blogspot.com/, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:20, archived)
# MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE!
(I helped save b3ta! taters Bah weep grahnah weep ninibong, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:49, archived)
# please can you just go away
(I helped save b3ta! Duke Otterby you pre-verts, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:37, archived)
# The ignore button will make it so
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:44, archived)
# Yes I am beggin about 6 of you to just press ignore
You know who you are, and stop embarrassing yourself with your endless whining and little girl bitching, try growing up, or hit ignore already.

You notice that i don't complain about your pathetically boring art you post, so do the right thing and delete mine.
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(Catnipppp, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:51, archived)
# Don't listen to him.
The ignore button is connected to a CIA hitlist.

That's how they get you, on the imageboards.
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:53, archived)
# who are this said 6?
(I helped save b3ta! Duke Otterby you pre-verts, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:54, archived)
# Um,
but this is an art website. Art is what happens here. Art is welcome, and to the artists here, not boring at all.

This isn't a conspiracy theory, open-the-minds-of-the-sheeple website. Conspiracy-revealing is not what happens here; and the people here may find it rather pathetic and boring.

Perhaps you've got a bit lost?
(I helped save b3ta! Seventh is somewhat subdued, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:56, archived)
# I think 'art' is being rather generous to many of us
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:00, archived)
# haha i was thinking that
my preferred method of drawing is to headbutt input devices until a cat appears on the monitor, i dunno about anyone else
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:01, archived)
# I headbutt a cat until input devices start appearing.
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:02, archived)
# I'd take that concept to Dragons' Den, if I were you.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:16, archived)
# Headbutting, interesting.
*takes notes*
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:06, archived)
# hahaha
(I helped save b3ta! Walrus Man Think hippy thoughts, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:06, archived)
# The art of mocking suicide bombers!
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:02, archived)
# haha
well yes, but at least b3ta 'art' is entertaining.
unlike this conspiracy stuff.
(I helped save b3ta! Seventh is somewhat subdued, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:10, archived)
# If there's anything great about b3ta, it's that we're all open to occasional assfun
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:21, archived)
# am you ignoring me?
yes ignore people who disagree with your mind games?
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:59, archived)
# Please send £100 and i will ignore you.
Unless the cash is tainted with anthrax.
(hakasin Where in shitting crikey is my nose?, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:04, archived)
# I count at least 9 people making ass-fun of you in this thread alone
(I helped save b3ta! Koba http://sexycooladventures.blogspot.com/, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:20, archived)
# I clicked your link, there was no clever hell freezing over joke.
In fact, are you just saying Europe is hell? I think your wires are crossed somewhere.
(I helped save b3ta! zoldergoose, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:39, archived)
# According to Google Earth,
there are 4 places named hell in Europe. 2 in Switzerland, 1 in Norway and 1 in the Netherlands.

There's also one in Michigan which, for our American friends, is in America.
(hakasin Where in shitting crikey is my nose?, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:15, archived)
# Please for the love of God just fuck off with your shitty theories.
Ffs.
Not even the art is worth this D:
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:41, archived)
# what is the theory in this picture
there's too much going on in this picture for me to see what it's actually a picture of
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:42, archived)
# I think it's 'Owls are drug addicts'
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:43, archived)
# Valid point.
(I helped save b3ta! mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:02, archived)
# The owls are not what they seem.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:13, archived)
# I don't know but there's usually one but I don't care either way.
Someone's probably injecting owls with people blood or something but the people blood has too much barium or magnesium or somethingelseium and I don't give a fuck. *angers*
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:44, archived)
# calm down, man
your rage is a product of aspartame lodging itself in the ragecenter of your brain
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:45, archived)
# Suspicious blurry trails on trucks are the biggest threat to America
(I helped save b3ta! zoldergoose, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:44, archived)
# NATO is putting saturation artifacts in American steel.
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:48, archived)
# It's so they can mock our economy and then become king of the whitehouse after the great plaguebum genocide.
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:52, archived)
# No Theories
Just a doodle.

Means nothing, unless you know what it means.

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(Catnipppp, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:46, archived)
# Well it's hard to tell!
Every time you post, there's a link to view and I never view them because I'm here for the pictures - as are most people on this board I'm sure.

Sorry to jump to conclusions but y'know.. :/
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:54, archived)
# spoilers: almost all of his pictures that i've seen so far have just had links to silly fun things on youtube
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:58, archived)
# I liked the one where Obama did a kickflip and then killed all the jews.
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:59, archived)
# do an indy nosebone
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:00, archived)
# 15th June: Did a wicked indy nosebone.
Accidentally destroyed Palestine.
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:04, archived)
# nosebone?
is it like this?
4gifs.com/gallery/d/82383-1/Slide_facestand.gif
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:05, archived)
# Never trust a doctor with a guitar
(I helped save b3ta! zoldergoose, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:46, archived)
# Or a guitarist with a giant syringe full of bright green liquid, for that matter.
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:57, archived)
# Obama makes skull clouds from the blood of patriots.
(I helped save b3ta! zoldergoose, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:47, archived)
# Is that Baggie Bird, the West Bromwich Albion mascot?
If so - HOW DARE YOU!

(*EDIT* on second thoughts, if it was Baggie Bird, the stripes'd be navy blue. So it's probably a case of mistaken identity)

(*2nd EDIT* Aaaaaah, that'll be it. Sheffield Wednesday. Otherwise known as the Owls. Universally admired throughout the football world for slaughtering 96 Scousers in one go 20 years ago.)
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Tramp the thinking woman's 8 Ace, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:41, archived)
# Ossie Owl I think.
Sheff Weds
(I helped save b3ta! Mstandot I suppose I should post more often., Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:50, archived)
# america is not real
its a conspiracy
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:42, archived)
# I'm not real
b3ta is just a conspiracy
(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:44, archived)
# you may not be real but your photographs are
woo!
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:46, archived)
# "America is the most grandiose experiment the world has seen,
but, I am afraid, it is not going to be a success."
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:44, archived)
# that's a quote that is
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:48, archived)
# Don't you pretend your cats aren't part of the sinister deathforce too shada.
Or should I call you SHADAHAHAHADADA, JEWISH DEATH PRINCE?!
(Jeru War and Piss, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:54, archived)
# fffuuuuuck he's onto me
(I helped save b3ta! Shada, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:55, archived)
# points
(Parsnippp looks good, tastes good and by golly does you good, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:43, archived)
# hahah
that is awesome

*klic*
(I helped save b3ta! taters Bah weep grahnah weep ninibong, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:51, archived)
# WOAH
(I helped save b3ta! McBadger COW, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:56, archived)
# Not the owls man!
You can't blame the owls
(I helped save b3ta! odfish Greetings Professor Falken, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:44, archived)
# I love how you stop posting this shit for a few days just to get people on your side then you come back with more conspiracy bullshit.
I have to ask though, why? Do you get secret Gazes of support from people? Because I just dont understand why you insist on coming here and preaching your doctrine of paranoia when all you get in response is hostility.
(I helped save b3ta! Koba http://sexycooladventures.blogspot.com/, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:45, archived)
# D:
You're just one of the sheeple maaaan.

Fight teh power!!11one!!1!1
(I helped save b3ta! Schweaty Minge I spunked in your tea! Taste it and see! D:, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:55, archived)
# no, all you see on the board is hostility
The gang of complainers and hoodlums that put it down have no clue the size of b3ta's reach, and ones who get the message don't dare post and be subjected to your blistering wit. So suffice to say, you weinies are only a fraction of the audience. I hear from plenty who love the art, so that is why i post, for them, not you babies. But I don't argue anymore, there is still time for you to learn to walk.
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(Catnipppp, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:00, archived)
# So, we have a silent majority of utter shits
to whom you have a duty?
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:05, archived)
# I hear from plenty who also despise your art.
But then I don't suppose you meant to forward your whole 'fanmail' inbox the other week when we were communicating.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:07, archived)
# yea, what happened to you
no clue what a fan mail inbox is, but i have no secrets anyway, so whatever. Now you are going to criticize me? What a two face.
(Catnipppp, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:13, archived)
# now i see what you mean, fan mail in-box
You fool, I send that out with the art every month, it is the love mail and the hate mail i receive, you can see that i enjoy the hate mail even more, always makes me laugh, and b3ta has some of the best. Sad thing, some here just want the endless pink cock squirting pics, then they are happy. Click ignore on me please, I am happy to go away.
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(Catnipppp, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:17, archived)
# B3ta isn't a hatemail store
it's a public board. The difference is, only you have to read hate mail, whereas if you piss off people here we all have to trudge through it.
(Sivvus trolley collision in the fruit aisle led to a jam, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:21, archived)
# I've not been two faced.
I have asked you on numerous occasions not to preach your nonsense to me so you came right back with more nonsense. That ended our conversations.
I've asked you not to preach it on b3ta too because it's insulting to the community and not what this place is for but you continue to do that. There is no hope for you. You will remain oblivious to your detractors because you have poor mental health and I truly pity you.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:23, archived)
# I think it's safe to say
that the people who post are representative of the people who don't... otherwise the people who lurk would be, y'know, complaining. Or getting their POV across.

And if you're posting for "people who love the art", then why not *just* post the artwork and take the theories to another site where you can discuss them logically, rather than having to get into an argument with people who don't want to listen?



(Sivvus trolley collision in the fruit aisle led to a jam, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:10, archived)
# This
I concur. Art is passable, RIS on the conspiracy stuff.
(ManekiNeko loves horses, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 21:00, archived)
# Haha
"Weinies"

Are you the 1990s?
(I helped save b3ta! Koba http://sexycooladventures.blogspot.com/, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:16, archived)
# I believe the majority of us do have a clue about the size of B3ta's reach
and it seems you do too and are using the reach to try and spread your nonsense.
Your responses on here are so full of twisted logic that it marks you as a fucking nutjob.
I am neither a hoodlum or a weinie (whatever the hell that is) but somebody who is sick to death of your insane witterings.
I truly hope a mod wakes up and realises that you are using the board to spread your nonsense and bans you.
In the meantime...
*click*

(I helped save b3ta! Flowerpot No longer has the vapours thanks to DTH, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 21:11, archived)
#
"video
True science is observation and comparing two knowns for an analysis. Did you forget to look up at the sky and observe chemtrails, or are you waiting for the TV to tell you about reality. How do explain a disappearing contrail in the same video shot as a chemtrail? I shot this yesterday, Contrails Disappear, Chemtrails Don't for hours.

Contrails disappear because they are simply frozen water vapor, Chemtrails do not because they are aluminum phosphate and barium salts, they linger and spread out into a milky haze whiting out the sky, all by design, learn the difference with this 30 second clip I shot here in Sweden www.youtube.com/watch?v=vETM8CnUZ1o
(Catnipppp, Thu 16 Apr, 22:56, ignore, delete, archive, reply) "

THANKS FOR THE MESSAGE, CATNIPS.
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:07, archived)
# Aw, I thought I was special
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:08, archived)
# You are, honey.
(I helped save b3ta! Ttssattsr, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:11, archived)
# Hai Molech
: D
(I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:46, archived)
# oi - get back in your cage!
You cant come out til 11:30pm - 1am
Tits 'o clock - thems the rules.

And make us a lovely anim while youre in there!
(I helped save b3ta! taters Bah weep grahnah weep ninibong, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:53, archived)
# *runs away*
I'll set the alarm! : D
(I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 21:45, archived)
# David Dees Illustrations
Took me fucking ages to work that out
(I helped save b3ta! Puromycin is still licking windows, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:46, archived)
# I don't think I agree with the message
But this picture looks awesome, and on a board about photoshopping I think that's all that matters
(I helped save b3ta! Microwave, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:46, archived)
# Unless you didn't actually make that picture
In which case go fuck yourself
(I helped save b3ta! Microwave, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:47, archived)
# how did you get all of america
into one truck?....also that driver looks underage:)
(I helped save b3ta! Elvis impersonator, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:52, archived)
# They killed most of them off with Chemtrails
(I helped save b3ta! Koba http://sexycooladventures.blogspot.com/, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:52, archived)
# Chemtrails!
www.b3ta.com/board/9383302
(I helped save b3ta! Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:00, archived)
# Obama is working for the banks right,
But he is also a communist. Also he was born in Kenya. Because there are no black men who were born in the US that the NWO could have used as their puppet to run for president.
(I helped save b3ta! Koba http://sexycooladventures.blogspot.com/, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:30, archived)
# 20 Celsius.
Very pleasant. Thought Hell would be much warmer this time of year.
(hakasin Where in shitting crikey is my nose?, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:54, archived)
# Zzzz

The FEMA camp nonsense got disproved a LONG time ago.
(I helped save b3ta! Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:55, archived)
# Haha
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 19:56, archived)
# i have a conspiracy theory that you are in fact an intelligent political commentator
ironicly mocking our obsessively paranoid social climate
whether or not this is true, you have excellent photoshop skills :D
(I helped save b3ta! Walrus Man Think hippy thoughts, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:04, archived)
# excellent?
It's no more than cut and paste with some use of default layer styles. he claims to be a graphic designer yet knows less about photoshop basics than a first year student.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:31, archived)
# it's the mindless absurdity of the pics that appeals to me,
not so much the technical skills
(I helped save b3ta! Walrus Man Think hippy thoughts, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:38, archived)
# Always fun to see one of your images.
Sometimes it's like join-the-dots: hmm, I guess:
→ FEMA camps are a reference to New Orleans floods,
→ global warming,
→ temperature also rising in Europe?

It's just a bit of fun, everyone! Sheesh!

But the reaction you get is just... amazing. I mean, I think you cry wolf a lot (but not always: sometimes what you're pointing out does indeed seem to be a wolf! Raaar!); and exaggerate (but hey, that's the nature of cartoons); and there seems to be a good deal lost in translation -- stuff you intend as funny but where many b3tans just don't get the joke, or don't even get that it is a joke. And you are happy to argue/insult right back, which keeps the arguments / insults going... [...by all of which I mean: pretty normal by b3ta standards, and nothing "Ignore" can't cure if someone feels strongly about it.]

But still, the vitriolic hostility ^^^^ up there... Why is that? Is there some subtle reason why your "hey-look-a-conspiracy!" ideas are taken as something personally insulting? That's my best guess. I look and marvel, but I can't really understand it. Always fun, like I say.
(I helped save b3ta! Bee Nice |-|, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 20:46, archived)
# Because he thinks we're brainwashed,
and gazzed a bunch of us with a link to a video explaining how to identify chemtrails.
He has no scruples about trying to make sense, but wants us all to know that we're naive and unperceptive. He dislikes science and criticism, but is happy to call us unscientific and uncritical. Also he thinks he is a hero.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 21:04, archived)
# Hah, that's true, but isn't that funny? Or sad or ironic or poignant or something?
Why is it so intensely, and apparently personally, upsetting? Hmm: perhaps, when your patience gets exhausted, it's not funny any more, and is just massively frustrating, and the time for lightly shrugging off the condescending tone (if such there is) has passed. Fairy nuff.

It certainly is a lesson in how not to warn people of a genuine threat, if you want them to react sympathetically at least.

Do you remember how the Iraqi super-gun affair was reported? The coverage prematurely convinced me that it was a stupid made-up cry-wolf about nothing. Obviously! But then Panorama interviewed the British engineer who had supervised the prototype's successful test firing campaign...
And I was blasé about BSE.
And I was blasé about the (small, but beginning to be measured) possibility of paracetamol in pregnancy raising the risk of asthma.
And so it goes on.

[EDIT] Friends of mine recently saw their child change sleeping behaviour radically after routine immunisations. It's probably coincidence. But they don't want to risk it. Had I heard about the aluminium in vaccines, they asked me? So I looked, and sure enough: articles in proper peer-reviewed medical journals discussing Gulf War Illness/Syndrome, and the possible role of aluminium hydroxide adjuvant, just tumble out. Are these used in NHS vaccines? I think so, but the NHS pamphlet does not say -- more research required. Didn't Catnipppp bang on about Aluminium? I missed that post of his. I'm not saying OMG we'll all die, but it bears investigating, non?
Anyway, I'm wittering now :-)
(I helped save b3ta! Bee Nice |-|, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 21:20, archived)
# The fact remains "so what?"
fuck off and tell it to people who care and don't use b3ta as a platform for preaching.

edit:/ and by the way. The project Babylon gun was never completed or built. let alone fired.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 21:24, archived)
# Right, a "Don't abuse b3ta for your personal profit" makes sense as a complaint.
Using b3ta as a campaign platform -- that would be in the same category as using it to spam adverts etc. An unwelcome intrusion.

(For what it's worth -- not much -- I thought that Catnipppp saw it more as humour/satire/opinion, rather than campaigning. In the same vein (approximately) as BBDO. But I haven't read all the threads. Let alone the gazzes. Perhaps it's not very BBDO-like after all. (Hope BBDO doesn't mind being the archetype here!))
(I helped save b3ta! Bee Nice |-|, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 21:43, archived)
# project Babylon -- right: the full-size version wasn't built
and was way off being an actual threat.
But the project, though seeming a wildly implausible fiction, was absolutely solid fact. It sobered me up, that's all.
The same with BSE: I look back on bluffly eating away at tasty beef and mocking the prophets of doom, with shame. It turned out that they really did have a case, and I was the blustering ignoramus.
(I helped save b3ta! Bee Nice |-|, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 21:56, archived)
# It is actually personally insulting, is the thing.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 21:35, archived)
# Ah, right. Fair enough then.
(I haven't, myself, attempted scientific debate with Catnipppp, which perhaps explains why I'm so sanguine about all this :-S
Or perhaps I o/d'd on sense-of-humour pills this morning... 8-D       :-(

Edit: ^^^^ and thanks, _Felix & Pasanonic, for answering my crazy questions. I appreciate it!
(I helped save b3ta! Bee Nice |-|, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 21:48, archived)
# I'm inclined to think that aluminium hydroxide is not used in routine childhood vaccines.
The wikipedia page says it's used in some vaccines, and mentions the Anthrax vaccine. It would be odd to pick that one out if it was also used in the vaccine against, say, measles. Anthrax is a likely thing to be vaccinated against in the gulf war, too.

It might be in the HPV vaccine, which is going to be given to all 16 year old girls in the UK this autumn. The possible side effect of being injected with aluminium is that it might be neurotoxic, if your kidneys don't just get rid of it, as seems likely. Getting rid of HPV is a Good Thing, though, and it presumably isn't very neurotoxic or we'd notice, and most 16 year old girls will imbibe neurotoxic substances recreationally every weekend anyway.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 22:04, archived)
# I need to look into this in a LOT more detail, but
as an appetiser:
1. There's some evidence that the aluminium hydroxide may remain as inclusions in the muscle where the injection was: see Gherardi's work on macrophagic myofasciitis. (Though I haven't checked: perhaps he's a nutjob).
2. It may not be directly neurotoxic. Though I don't believe adjuvants are thoroughly understood, clearly they change the way the immune system reacts to the antigen. If they keep on doing that, long after the injection of antigen, then all sorts of auto-immune damage could conceivably (speculate, waffle, hand-wave) result.
3. When did you last hear of what adjuvants are used, let alone safety trials? They just aren't discussed. They aren't mentioned in NHS pamphlets. "MMR" has been very widely used and observed, but what is MMR? Do all the manufacturers use exactly the same adjuvant types and amounts? What if the studies showing 'MMR is fairly safe' came from a country using only one of various different brands of MMR, and different manufacturers of MMR vaccines use a different adjuvant system?

All this is rather too nebulous: as I say, I need to look further. Perhaps there are safety studies and it's all fine, or is not used routinely by NHS any more (cf. thiomersal), etc.

But, once again, my scoffing thoughts about friends who are dead-set against vaccines now ring rather hollow in my ears. (But to be clear: I expect that MMR will probably still turn out safer than the alternative of risking deafness or death from measles).
(I helped save b3ta! Bee Nice |-|, Thu 23 Apr 2009, 22:43, archived)