Seatbelt legislation 1983
People are idiots
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Ambegris likes his tea stirred anti-clockwise, Fri 2 Dec 2022, 23:22,
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Exactly. A guy told me there were statistics on the continent saying it made no difference to accident numbers.
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I met an American father and son in a hostel in Japan in 2010.
Son told me about how 9/11 was an inside job, and father told me that 'they' were going to force people to wear seatbelts on motorbikes soon, and also that he'd been in six car accidents and if he'd have been killed in all of them if he'd been wearing a seatbelt at the time.
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thank god he didn't
dying 6 times would have been too much for anyone to bear
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This did occur to me at the time.
He was so enraged by that point, though, that I felt it would have been unwise to point it out.
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What difference exactly would it make to the number of accidents?
Do you really think people have more accidents because they’re not wearing a belt? Or is it that those that do have accidents have worse outcomes if they’re not wearing a belt? It’s not the same thing. Your interlocutor’s statement isn’t as stupid as you think.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 17:23,
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There might be some correlation.
I'd expect people who refuse to wear seatbelts on principle to drive like fucking nutters. Maybe that's just my prejudice, though.
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I know what you're saying about number of accidents vs severity of injury from those accidents
But I'm not sure he's aware of that nuance. And it'll do him no good intertwined in his steering wheel.
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I would never not wear a seatbelt, nor is anybody who sits behind me allowed not to.
But something about the legislative system that won’t outlaw people’s stupidity and blatant disregard for their own self preservation appeals to me. We are fine with all kinds of idiots believing all kind of bullshit like religion, so, if someone believes it’s a good idea not to wear one, leave them to it. Compared to what billions of religious people think, it really isn’t so nuts.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 21:45,
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Totally with you.
However, I suspect that one of the reasons that they're mandatory is due to the risk posed to third parties by unbelted passengers/drivers during collisions.
'Victim ejected from vehicle' is a very real thing, and when your car decelerates from 40mph to 0mph in the blink of an eye, the fleshy sacks of blood and bone don't - and won't until something impedes their trajectory.
The chances of actually going through the windscreen of a car made after 1990 are pretty slim, but you're a lot more likely to inflict serious injuries on whoever is in the car with you should you choose to travel unrestrained.
I won't link it here, but there's a video showing a car rolling after a colission and literally flinging an occupant out of a side window a good 15-20 feet in the air. They should probably show that to the anti-belt fuckwits.
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An adult didn’t have to wear a seatbelt in the back till 1991. Kids aged 14 and under since 1989.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Sun 4 Dec 2022, 20:46,
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I remember.
I also remember how put out my uncle was by the whole thing. I was in single figures at the time, but even then I remember thinking it was perfectly reasonable.
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I heard something similar
Basically if you wear a seat belt you’re more inclined to drive a little more recklessly, I.e. you feel as though the seat belt gives you more chance of surviving a crash.
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Sun 4 Dec 2022, 0:30,
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My walk to work takes me past one of the main arterial routes into the shitty.
It's pretty staggering how many folk I see without seatbelts on. Mind you, there's also a silly number of 'adults' cycling on the pavements in the pitch black with no lights on their bike, so maybe it's something in the water.
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I do like how the behaviour of a few London twats on fixies, and anecdotes from MPs who have encountered them, directs government policy towards all cycling nationwide.
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Turtle Power & Knuckles, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 13:16,
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I'm all for more accountability for cyclists.
License plates might be taking it a bit far, but I definitely think there should be some kind of licensing scheme introduced, and Police really need to be more proactive when it comes to fuckwits jumping red lights/cycling on the pavement/riding without lights. Don't get me started on those wheely cunts.
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I don't think that
license plates or some other way to identify bad cyclists on a dashcam would be taking it too far.
Only just far enough IMO
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 14:12,
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My only issue with numberplates really is how they'd be implemented.
Having a great big square acting as an airbrake isn't so much of an issue when you've got an engine propelling you forwards (and arguably not really an issue for the trundlers popping along to the local supermarket), but it'd be an absolute nightmare if you're commuting 20+ miles a day and trying to maintain speeds northwards of 14mph. Can't imagine the club cyclists would be overly fond of the idea, either.
If they could introduce some method that doesn't overly fuck with aerodynamics, I'd totally support the idea, though.
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How's this?
Then you could get their number as they shoot off the pavement across the front of your car, narrowly avoiding death or when they illegally run a red light, and you nearly sideswipe them.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 15:37,
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Only if
you make it from the same material as a knife.
If you make it from some sort of flexible material, not so much.
Now that the plate is aerodynamic and made from stuff so soft it won't cause lethal head injuries, is it OK?
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Sun 4 Dec 2022, 12:25,
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99% of cyclists in London are totally cool considering the amout of bullshit they have to put up with
1% are complete cunts, much like some people on here...
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claptonista ,the idiot boy.........., Sat 3 Dec 2022, 15:17,
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Exactly the same proportion as car drivers.
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gaijintendo Regular Member, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 19:43,
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The inverse, in fact.
Knowingly poisoning people and corrupting the environment of the only planet we have is extremely fucking far from totally cool.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Sun 4 Dec 2022, 20:40,
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if an observant cyclist runs a red light
and all the lights are red, with no one moving and no pedestrians, who is the cyclist endangering?
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So, breaking the law in a limited and specific way?
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 17:00,
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Did you know that
cycling on the pavement carries a £500 fine, and 'cycling furiously' on the pavement carries a £1000 fine? Cyclists are also required to have lights on at night, and to obey all traffic signs and lights on the road.
Of course, good luck getting any police to enforce that. It would be much easier if they had to have some sort of number plate like literally every other road vehicle.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 14:10,
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Did you know that
bicycles don't burn dinosaur juice to threaten the existence of life on Earth?
Fuck cars, fuck car ownership.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 15:32,
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#NotAllCars
Also, the power unit for cycles puts out carbon dioxide too, you know.
Sometimes methane as well.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 15:38,
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I'd wager that the power unit for driving the car emits just as much CO2 and Methane as the power units propelling the bike.
Speshally as there are significantly more fat fucks driving cars than there are riding bikes.
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I can smash this argument with the power of thermodynamics
Actually, can't be arsed because I'd have to explain Orders of magnitude first and then basic arithmetic's.
Lets do this simple:
1600kg of car with a fatty driving needs mucha more powa to go to 20mph than 80kg of cyclist going through red lights..
(, Sun 4 Dec 2022, 15:45, Reply)
By 'power unit for driving the car', I meant the driver itself.
Not the 'power unit for propelling the car', which would be the engine.
The point I was making is that the morbidly obese fart machine behind the wheel probably emits just as much CO2 through the physical act of driving a car as a relatively fit person would emit cycling a bike at a moderate pace.
I'm glad you didn't waste all that time mansplaining, though.
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And the point I was making
was not that cyclists put out more CO2 than cars, just that they put out some, in response to the claim that they don't put out any at all.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Mon 5 Dec 2022, 18:53,
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I love having a big fart when cycling and imagining that it is giving me a Knight Rider style turbo boost...
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Happosai _,,,,_(O ; o)_,,,, Mon 5 Dec 2022, 19:30,
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brb - "bicycles don't burn dinosaur juice to threaten the existence of life on Earth?"
Simply being alive at the moment burns dinosaur juice, washing your hair with most shampoos, eating vegetarian food that is fed with oil derived fertiliser, having the lights on in your house etc
Because of this, the power unit for the cycle also burns some dinosaur juice to keep it working. Nowhere near as much of course, but some. No matter how 'green' you are.
Sure, some people grow their own food organically etc and so don't contribute much at all, but then some cars run off solar power. I suspect a similar proportion of the larger number for each.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Wed 7 Dec 2022, 13:28,
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Did you know that
the police in Manchester appear to be doing fuck all about the numerous drivers I see daily running red lights, pulling up on double yellow lines & bus stops, double parking, driving dangerously, etc.
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Happosai _,,,,_(O ; o)_,,,, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 18:31,
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So someone develops and releases an experimental product while claiming without evidence that it will save lives.
Side effects of seatbelt wearing include whiplash/spinal injury and increased chances of being trapped unconscious inside your vehicle. Without a belt, in the event of a collision you will be ejected to safety well before your car burns. The three-point seatbelt is clearly designed to resemble a harness. Wearers are willingly surrendering their freedoms and shackling themselves up like a beast of burden to go about the State’s business. Really it’s all about Control, and getting the population to mindlessly obey and not question the rules. Wake up and tell the government you know what they’re REALLY up to! The Facts about how literally thousands of people are killed Every Day by their restraining straps are being suppressed by Big Belt. Seatbelts cause autism.
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Turtle Power & Knuckles, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 13:10,
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Sometime ago, I had to void my bowels urgently when I was being transported but I was restricted by this liberal lasso
the seatbelt. Unfortunately, I couldn't unclip the buckle quick enough and flooded the backseat of my uber driver's car with a chaotic and fluid evacuation from my rectum with a stench that can only be described as rotten eggs and burning electric combined. As I freed myself, the driver was already free from the car vomiting over the bridge we had pulled over on. I apologized and said I will give him a five star rating. After wiping away the puke from his mouth, he put his hand up and told me to keep fighting the power. To this day, I will never wear a fascistic clip (seatbelt) again.
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$imon $quibb ✅, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 13:37,
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My wife would have survived that head-on,
since we were both belted, but unfortunately the driver of the other vehicle loved to think independently and ended up as a 90kg projectile through both windscreens. Still, she is a price worth paying for society's Freedom.
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Turtle Power & Knuckles, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 14:06,
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history.com/news/seat-belt-laws-resistance
"When David Hollister introduced a seat belt bill in Michigan in the early 1980s that levied a fine for not buckling up, the state representative received hate mail comparing him to Hitler."
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 13:46,
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Fuck you, I won't survive an otherwise fatal event like you tell me
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Turtle Power & Knuckles, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 14:00,
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You can always try a homeopathic safety belt. You wear it in the comfort of your own chair at home for 3 seconds in the morning and you're fully protected on the road for the rest of the day
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 14:40,
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I always thought
the homeopathic seatbelt was like a regular seatbelt, but was so diluted that to any rational examiner it looks and acts just like the image of a seatbelt printed onto your shirt.
Either that or you get the cause of death in a car accident (the other car) then place that in pure water for a while until the water gains a memory imprint of the other car, then you take 2 drops of that water before driving.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 15:43,
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The lower the dose, the greater the potency.
Therefore, because some water has touched some cars before continuing its way on the water cycle, all water is now incredibly potent counter-car medicine. However, as more water touches more cars over time, the potency of the anti-car power of water is constantly diminishing.
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brb Monkhouse Stampede, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 20:01,
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So...
If you live in the ocean, you have the lowest chance to be killed by a car!
Proof that hoeopathy works!
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Wed 7 Dec 2022, 13:30,
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If only Lady Di had Clunk, Click, Every Trip
maybe the world would have been a different place. Really makes you think...
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$imon $quibb ✅, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 13:18,
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I remember that like it was yesterday. She was all over the radio.
And the windscreen, and the steering wheel...
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In New Hampshire, where the state motto is ‘Live Free or Die’, over eighteens do not have to wear a seatbelt.
It’s a very nice place. Honestly. Trump lost there. Both times.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 15:44,
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Makes you wonder how we ever managed without these massive wanky SUV's everyone seems to be driving these days.
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My ten kids had to walk or cycle everywhere
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Turtle Power & Knuckles, Sat 3 Dec 2022, 21:09,
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save my life one, they did
Still, I support people choosing their own level of risk as long as it doesn't unduly affect the risk to others, rather than sanitise life to much
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 5 Dec 2022, 2:27,
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