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Overheard the other day: "I've told you before - stop swearing in front of the kids, for fuck's sake." Your tales of double standards please.

(, Thu 19 Feb 2009, 12:21)
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Public Transport
To start with.

I can't stand those whingy moaning fuckers of all creed (yes, usually charvs) who complain that the bus fares are too high. All said while throwing their ticket/spent scratch cards/whispa wrappers onto the floor, kicking the back of the seat infront and doodling on the side of the bus with a marker.

They don't seem to have the intelligence to realise that busses need to hire more cleaners, do more repairs and buy more equipment to keep the busses maintained. This is without going on to the fact bus drivers basically need danger pay now because of the shit they get and the cost CCTV has added to them.

If you want things to stay cheap, be considerate and stop vandilising property and stabbing people. It's not because of 'the economy' or 'inflation' like you know what any of that means because as other prices go up your wage should go up equally but you keep adding another factor of rising costs!

Train prices are ridiculous for other reasons too but I assume they face the same problems as busses (I know the Metro does).

I think the only travelling cost which is staying relativly fair are flights, it's stupid when you can travel the country by plane cheaper then you can by train and yet you're barraged with how flights are destroying the environment. Whoever starts these campaigns doesn't seem to realise how the world works.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 14:08, 1 reply)
Ha ha
look at the pasty-faced hippie.

Oo, I'm so tired, I need a lie down. I haven't had my mung beans and lentils, lol!
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 13:53, 3 replies)
Daily Mail article comment
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 13:27, 3 replies)
What's with all the veggie bashing?
I think you're all just jealous of our willpower.

Oh noes! I love the little piggies but I couldn't give up bacon. Yes you could if you put your mind too it. You're all just weak.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 13:26, 45 replies)
Hello America
oh yes, the guardians of truth, justice and Democracy (unless you elect an organisation you don't like, see Palestine) coming down like a million tonnes of bricks on any state that might fancy a nuclear weapon (apart from Israel, Pakistan and India mind) and protecting the world against terrorism (armed to the teeth by your own good selves 20 years ago to fight those goddamn pinko commies) and rogue states with big mean leaders you don't like (see terrorism) unless they have nothing of interest whatsoever in the natural resources front (see Zimbabwe)

So lets see, ethnic cleansing the natives of your country? check

The ONLY fucking country that has ever used an atomic bomb in an open conflict? check

Liberal use of chemical weaponry against those slanty eyed commie gooks? check

merrily carpet bombing anything that looks like a fucking slanty eyed commie gook? check

oh i'll sneak in detention camps that use illegal torture methods as well, just for the hell of it

(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 13:23, 22 replies)
soo many but to be short
i like to flip it round. que vitriol and outrage.

"all men are bastards" "thats ok, all women are bitches"

"foxes are vermin and have to be kept down" "yes i agree. all breeds of dogs are vermin and i regularly hunt and kill them when i can. especially the smaller breeds"

as a veggy i get quite riled by preachy veggies who still drink milk etc. You won't kill them but you'll let them have their tits sucked empty twice a day?! Quick death vs years of slavery? easy answer. (i actually believe all lives are of equal value. i like sheep, the daft buggers, but humans right make my blood boil).

of course i'm the biggest hippocrit of them all. but at least i know it and practise :D
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 13:15, 5 replies)
for scorning old giggly boobs on Facebook whom I went to school with but would not piss on if she was on fire.

"Look at her, posting endless irrelevant drivel status updates and countless photos of her slipping out of dresses and humping bouncers." I scoff, eating my petit filou yoghurt at my desk. "What a sad existence she must have to live her pathetic life through Facebook..."

All thought whilst I obsessively check my profile for the 27th time that day.

*Sobs into yoghurt*
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 13:15, 2 replies)
Motherfucking trains.
What makes me utterly apoplectic with rage is the way the train system is run. We are told that we should take trains as they are much better for the environment. I agree with this. We should minimise our long distance car journeys. I also agree with this. In fact, I should point out, I very much like travelling by train as long as I have a seat.

Why then would it cost £150 each (day return) to travel to London from Sheffield on the train when I checked out the prices with a view for booking two weeks in advance of the trip?

So I need four tickets (one for my wife, another two for my parents in law who are travelling from overseas).

£600 for four people to travel to London for the day. Or £25 for petrol and another £25 or so for parking/congestion.

IF IT’S SO GREEN WHY DO WE HAVE TO PAY SO FUCKING MUCH? Why are we being driven to our cars?

*stalks Whitehall with murderous urethra ripping intent*
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 13:12, 11 replies)
Pause for thought...
Disclaimer: Not my own work.

Hypocrisy is a favorite accusation in our society, the charge tossed about with carefree abandon by Left, Right, and the nonpolitical.

No one has ever died at the hands of hypocrisy, yet it's a deadly accusation, widely treated as among the greatest of evils. A mere accusation of hypocrisy can halt a debate by silencing the accused, forcing him off-topic to defend himself against the tangential charge of hypocrisy.

This is how and why so many talking-head shows quickly degenerate into everyone accusing everyone else of hypocrisy, with nothing of substance actually discussed.

Most everyone agrees that a speaker's moral character is irrelevant to the validity of his argument, and yet in contravention to this rule of Logic, most everyone also regards hypocrites as unworthy advocates.

The Congressman who has an affair is deemed unfit to advocate "family values," regardless of his legislation's merits. The celebrity who builds on her country estate is deemed unfit to promote environmental conservation. The parent who smokes is deemed unfit to counsel against drugs. All may (or may not) have good ideas, but presumably, we should not listen to them and decide on the merits, because they are "hypocrites."

Yet the accusers are often guilty of worse than hypocrisy: dishonesty, disingenuousness, and intellectual laziness.

Intellectual laziness, because charging hypocrisy allows the accuser to avoid the difficulty of defending an argument. It is intellectually easier to accuse an opponent of hypocrisy, and leave it at that.

Disingenuousness, because often their hidden motive is to avoid the risk of challenging a popular position. It is politically safer to accuse an opponent of hypocrisy, and leave it at that.

And also dishonesty, because the charge of hypocrisy is rarely accurate. It has been bandied about so recklessly -- on talk radio and daytime TV, in high schools and colleges, among pundits and activists -- that "hypocrite" has come to mean: "I don't like you. You're bad. And I don't want to have to defend that position."

What is hypocrisy?

Rather than look to a dictionary, I've applied a Socratic method, considering the word's usage and implications in varied situations, and I've concluded that "hypocrisy" comprises Four Elements, all necessary for a person to be guilty as charged.

A hypocrite is someone who: (1) advocates a standard, (2) publicly applies that standard to himself, (3) fails to meet that standard, and (4) hides or denies his failure.

All Four Elements are required, yet hypocrisy is often confused with Element # 3 alone: Failing to meet one's own standards. The Christian minister who cheats on his wife. The rich liberal who opposes school vouchers but enrolls his children in private school.

Failing to meet one's own standards is not hypocrisy.

If an obese woman advocates dieting, but laments the difficulty of sticking to one, is she a hypocrite? Of course not. She has failed to meet her standards, to follow her own advice. But she is not a hypocrite because Element # 4 is missing. She never claimed to stick to her diet.

Thus, a Christian minister who routinely confesses to being a sinner (as many Christians do), or a rich liberal who laments that public schools are just not good enough for his children, would not be hypocrites. They advocate certain standards, yet admit to falling short.

Falling short of a standard should be no bar to advocating a high standard, so long as one is open about his own shortcomings. Were it otherwise, smokers would be deemed unfit to warn children against tobacco, lest they be "hypocrites." Yet a man who fails to meet his own standards, rather than being a hypocrite, is often the best advocate of a different course of action.

Sometimes the best advice is: "Do as I say, not as I do."

(Accurate definitions aside, one practical problem of defining hypocrisy as failing to meet one's own standards is that it discourages high standards. Under this false definition, a man who merely meets 80% of his high standards is judged worse than a man of no standards. "At least he's not a hypocrite!" Yes, at the very least.)

Hypocrisy is also confused with double standards. Yet once again:

Double standards are not hypocrisy.

Dad goes to bed later than the bedtime he sets for his child. Does this double standard make dad a hypocrite? Of course not -- because Element #2 is missing. Dad never applied his child's bedtime to himself. Indeed, he would freely admit to anyone who asks that his child's bedtime does not apply to him.

A mere double standard is not hypocrisy.

A movie star advocates a ban on gun ownership, but then obtains a carry permit. Is she a hypocrite? Yes, if she suggested that all should be banned from owning a gun. But if she publicly claims that celebrities are entitled to a gun privilege denied to others, then no. She'd be arrogant and elitist, but not a hypocrite.

The validity of a double standard is irrelevant to the issue of hypocrisy. A double standard may be just and rational, or unjust and irrational. Hypocrisy flows from the attempt to hide or deny a double standard, not from the merits of a double standard.

A young black militant charges an older black conservative with hypocrisy for attacking affirmative action, yet benefiting from it when he was young. Is the black conservative a hypocrite? Not if he says affirmative action was appropriate thirty years ago, but no longer. (This is merely a double standard.) Nor if he admitted benefiting from affirmative action, but claims he was wrong to do so. (This is merely failing to meet one's own standards.)

Likewise, a black militant who admits to a double standard in assessing white and black racism (because "whites have power") is not a hypocrite. He may (or may not) be wrong, elitist, or arrogant. But his open admission of a double standard absolves him of hypocrisy.

And finally, what really is so awful about hypocrisy?

Recall the adage: hypocrisy is the compliment that vice pays to virtue. It most offends adolescents, adolescent mindsets, and those who live comfortably untouched by serious evils.

Hypocrisy is not nice. But it is not genocide, murder, or rape. Nor even turnstile jumping. On a scale of evils, it's a petty offense. Most everyone commits hypocrisy at one time or another, just as most everyone speeds on a highway. Speeding endangers more lives, yet hypocrisy upsets more people. Go figure.

If more people understood hypocrisy's Four Elements, they'd spot the many false charges. Then pundits and activists would stop hurling baseless accusations. We'd dampen 90% of the noise on radio and TV shoutfests. And then perhaps we can have more substantive discussions in the news media.

annnnd breathe.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 13:12, 5 replies)

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(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 13:10, Reply)
be green
help the planet into the next ice age by reducing the amount of co2 in the atmosphere, then increase the amount of co2 in the atmosphere by reusing plastic bags and using the oil for fuel instead.
save the planet, burn a tyre
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:53, 3 replies)
That TV show
'Without A Trace'.

If there wasn't a trace then they'd never find anybody. Fucking lying bastards.

I know it's not necessarily hypocritical, but I felt the need to share.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:51, Reply)
Last night I was playing the Nazi Zombie game on Xbox live with 3 friend; "Oh thats horrible, killing and shooting" says Mrs Kite; who loves nothing better than a good serial killer TV series or a real life crime drama. So killing REAL people is OK, but killing pretend Nazi Zombies isnt? ok.....
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:50, 4 replies)
I'm a hypocrite
Last night I told my missus to stop wasting time and finish her work - yet what do I do every day in our office? Sit on here and play flash games
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:48, 1 reply)
Powervator's post reminds me...
It's ok for a man to be dragged round TopShop, Next, Primark, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseum on the one day a week he's not working, basically to act as a pack mule - because all comments on clothing are dismissed with a tut and a roll of the eyes unless you're a gay male. We accept this as fact - women can spend literally a day wandering up and down the same high street looking for something to buy when, let's face it, they have (roughly) 500 times more clothing than the average straight male already. Said husband/boyfriend is then usually expected to buy lunch so she can discuss the things she has chosen, or can't find. Said husband/boyfriend will also end up buying these things for her because "hey I'm a bit short until I get paid and I looooove you", etc.

Tap breaks in bathroom, Man goes to B&Q to get parts. Stops for two seconds next to a display of flooring whilst thinking "I could put that down in the nursery". Man gets told off for taking too long and wasting the precious weekend in a shop...

Row ensues, no doubt.

/edit - Actually, I'm lucky, as my wife hates shopping, is as geeky as me and is happy wandering round Maplins while I pick up bits and pieces as long as she gets a latte from Starbucks or Costa to fuel her once in a while. No wonder I married her...the above was refering more to my ex (or exes)!
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:19, 13 replies)
Hypocritical pompous eco-veggie twats...and other rants
Things that get my goat:

1) Veggies that use the argument that "if you eat meat you shouldn't be squeamish about the slaughterhouse". Now, I've killed, cleaned and gutted animals myself and to be honest, you don't want to cook it straight away, unless you're starving, but that's more because you're up to your armpits in gore. I reckon that a potato farmer could go right off chips if he had to cook the fuckers as well as grow and harvest them.

2) The fact that any vegetarian is arrogant enough to turn up to a meat-eater's house for dinner, then expect the entire party to eat a vegetarian dish, or for a veggie dish to have been prepared (using all separate utensils), yet if you turn up to a Veggie's house for a barbecue and expect a steak, you'd be called a cunt.

3) On this subject, PETA assholes who think murdering doctors is ok in order to save the life of a few white rats and the odd beagle. I love dogs as much as any man, but for fucks' sake, if nothing else, it doesn't owe the tax payer for eight years of medical school funding, for a start...

4) Environmentalists who claim leather shoes are "evil", so wear leather-free shoes (i.e made from plastic, which is a by-product of the petrochemical industry).

5) The idiots who released the mink for a local mink farm into the wild. Let's see, Mink are a) not indigenous to the UK, b) fucking vicious and, c) bigger than stoats and the other predators we have. Cue a killing spree of epic proportions as the evil little sods kill off any competition for five square miles, then procede to atack the local ducks at the pond, peoples chickens, rabbits, guinea pigs, etc... Not only that, but they are breeding quite happily, so we'll soon have no squirrels left in Surrey. For so-called animal lovers, they a) knew fuck all about mink and b) have caused far more death than letting the mink farm run it's course and go bankrupt (Mink farming in a surrey suburb? Great business plan!). The irony is just exquisite.

6) The fact that modern females will go out, get absolutely shit-faced, dress like a hooker, vomit, belch, fart and pick a fight with any passing stranger, yet expects to be treated like a princess. They're the same sort who, despite flashing her thong to an entire nightclub, her tits to passing cabs and her minge to the world as she pisses in the gutter, would become a shrieking harpy if some drunken bloke dared to try and be suggestive, because obviously "I'm not that type of girl, you sexist pig!", etc, etc... No, you are exactly that type of girl, you drunken slapper - you just haven't gotten the last bacardi breezer down your fat neck that causes you to lumber round the streets grabbing hold of men's arses and trying to fuck anything with a pulse. Reverse the genders and it'd be labelled "thuggish behaviour by adisgraceful lout", but because it's a member of the "fairer" sex, it's ok - it's "girls doin' it for themselves, woo! Yeah, you go girlfriend!" - or, shudder, New Ladette behaviour.

7) Feminists (the type who treat all men like they are shit-flinging primates and who believe women can do no wrong)- they and their mates would happily slag off men and rate potential dates, etc, but if they caught the IT nerds doing the same about girls in the office, etc, they'd have an aneurism.

8) Who here, in this post-Germaine Greer, women-are-just-as-good-if-not-better-than-men, era has ever, ever had a door opened for them by a woman? Or had a girl offer to pay for the meal and not have it come back to bite you in the ass later on? Or how many feminists are happy to let her husband take the paid time off to care for the baby, while they go to work? Where's the fight for 9 months paid Paternity leave? Feminism is a case for having-the-cake-and-eaiting-it - equality means zero preferential treatment, so things like divorce cases should make no differentiation between mothers and fathers in custody decisions - it should be based purely on ability to provide, etc - unlike the 90%+ divorces that give custody to the mother by habit...

So much hypocrisy, so much infuriating crap... Ah, fuck it, I don't care - my wife's ace and gets more wound up by this crap that I do (and she's a proper hippy, too, so that shows how badly these loonies are missing the point!)...

Right, flame on!
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:07, 20 replies)
Not even 2 minutes ago...
Got a text from a friend which mentioned they were in the pet shop.

I replied along the lines of "mmm, fluffy things - just ready to be skinned, cooked and eaten."

Got a reply:
"That's a terrible thing to say. I'm off to McDonalds now"

Bloody women...
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 12:04, Reply)
My boss
There's such a wealth of examples of hypocrisy on her part that I'm struggling to keep this short.

There was the day I got a frantic phone call from her when she'd gone to a client meeting:

'Mr X. wants such-and-such a piece of work in the next hour - can you get on it Snowy?'.
Me 'Yeah, but AN HOUR! I can't guarantee it can be done...'.
Her: 'That's not the attitude, this is really important and we just have to prioritise to turn stuff like this round on time!'
Me: 'OK, I'll do what I can, but why's it so urgent anyway?'
Her: 'Well. He actually did ask me for it last week, but I forgot...'

Then there was the time we had a fairly heated argument and she accused me of being emotional:

'You shouldn't bring emotion into work situations'
Me: 'Look - I really, really try not to, but I just find our working relationship so difficult at times'

...and she burst into tears. Who's the emotional one now, eh?

She also regularly tells me I need to delegate more responsibility to others so I can focus on my core responsibilities, seeing no contradiction with all the times she's overriden my instructions to members of my team by telling them to stop working on the stuff I've given them to do, and instead to draft emails for her/go and fetch her lunch/go to a meeting she's put in her diary but can no longer be bothered attending...

(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:57, 2 replies)
The Sun
End of.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:47, 5 replies)
ITN Lunchtime News
Every lunchtime I pop home to walk the dog and have my lunch. Many times I have had the ITN news on in the background.

Day after Day, Katie Derham and Alastair Stewart ham up the news to such ridiculous levels that you too will run screaming into the street at the thought of a 1% drop in the sales of shoes.

Their broadcasts essentially say "Hey you there, stop being so comfortable and happy, you should be scared of THIS, THIS, THIS and THIS , RIGHT NOW!!!" Even when there is good news there is always a "BUT you should still be scared because there is a 0.05% chance things will go wrong!"

It was with open mouthed astonishment that on one quiet news day, when a leading member of commerce warned that there could be more companies going bankrupt in the new year, there main story went along the lines of:

"On this afternoon's programme: Leading member of commerce warns of further bankruptcies, but are these warnings helping or hindering? Are these warnings merely keeping you living in fear?"

I turned it all off at that point.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:45, 4 replies)
Physical fitness

(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:44, 3 replies)

(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:43, 1 reply)
Chaps - When you wnat to go for a pint

Drag your girlfriend/wife into every pub in the area, have a look around in each of them before dismissing them for some trivial reason.

Then go back to the first pub that you visited and have a pint there.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:38, 7 replies)
Moralising hippies
Personally, I take umbrage against moralizing po-faced puritanical hippies who boycott nestle products because they are an unethical corporation (a fair enough point in itself). Yet happily smoke fags made by British American Tobacco, or snuffle lines of cocaine - courtesy of the columbian drugs cartel.

Inside every revolutionary there's a policeman...
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:36, 5 replies)
they'd have to be pretty big, wouldn't they? i mean, to store an entire hippo. surely unethical too.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:27, 4 replies)
Rank Hypocrisy
Years back, my ex-ex-ex-girlfriend says to me, “That’s all you ever think about isn’t it? Me, me, me, me, me, me, me. Well I am fed up of your selfishness.”

We had just spent the day, literally the day, in fucking clothes shops with her trying on average 7 articles of clothing per shop, and we went to 15 shops. Oh, and buying nothing either. I sat with my head in my hands quietly despairing and I asked her if she planned on buying anything and did she have anything in particular in mind so perhaps we could concentrate on that sort of item?

As it turned out, this was the wrong thing to say. “You can’t ‘have a list’ to go clothes shopping” she marvelled. “Clothes shopping is an empathetic accomplishment.”

Well that was me told.

Then I asked if I could pop over to the charity bookshop down the road while she was trying things on. Then the above rant was delivered. I was needed as a sounding board for clothes as her usual clothes shopping buddy was on holiday and she ‘desperately needed’ something to wear for work.

It was a bad day, all in all.

Then the next weekend we went shopping again. I needed a few bits and pieces, but I didn’t want to bore her with my nerdy needs so I asked her if she wanted to meet somewhere while we both did her own thing. Then I was accused to not wanting to spend time with her. So I went to my bookshops, and my games shops etc. As soon as we went in, she immediately asked if we could leave, and what did I want, did I have a shopping list? Well, no, I don’t have a shopping list but I have a rough---------

Dragged out.

Then we went to a dress shop.

Fuck my luck.

Then we split up. It was naturally all my fault.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:09, 4 replies)
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 11:01, 3 replies)
There's only one thing I need to say
"The religion of peace".
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 10:38, 5 replies)
Religious 'moralists' who would condemn what I do...
...as a geneticist, citing that I shouldn't be "playing God", and then acting like this is a view that's worth taking any note of at all.

I don't condemn you for "playing Thor" every time you go to hang a new painting of Jesus with your handy hammer, and you'd think it was ridiculous for someone holding such a belief to impose their belief upon you. Well, to me, your belief is equally as preposterous as theirs, if not more so, as at least the Norse had a rather shallower understanding of the nature of the universe back then.

Get with the millennium.
(, Fri 20 Feb 2009, 10:31, 9 replies)

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