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[challenge entry] possibly nsfw
bit of censorship should do the trick

(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 5:07, archived)
# hahah
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 7:52, archived)
[challenge entry] Assume the position...
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:39, archived)
# What is Ollie Cromwell going to do for the rest of the month?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:51, archived)
# Consolidate
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:54, archived)
# Goodnight all
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 5:00, archived)
# Haha
and nighty night
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 5:01, archived)
# Goodnight
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 5:02, archived)
# CYA
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 5:06, archived)
# Night mo
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 5:08, archived)
# sleep?...
...after that?!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 7:50, archived)
# HaHaHaHa!
Brilliant!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 9:14, archived)
# Take his revenge out on Richard Harris
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:56, archived)
#
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:56, archived)
# hahaha.... it's funny cos it's true!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 8:17, archived)
# I have no idea what he's supposed to be doing
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:07, archived)
# Give the poor guy Hilary's bongos
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:08, archived)
#
 

 
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:28, archived)
# ba-dum ba-dum ba-dum ba-dum ba-dum
ba-dum ba-dum ba-dum ba-dum ba-dum
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:35, archived)
#

(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:41, archived)
#
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:43, archived)
# Well close to it anyway
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:41, archived)
# Yay!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:44, archived)
#
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:45, archived)
# BOM BOM BOM CH-BOM BOM BOM CH-BOM BOM BOM CH-BOM BOM BOM
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:52, archived)
# Sarcastically applauding SexFace's TextPost below.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:09, archived)
# I think TextPost is the way forward.
For instance, look at this fine example here.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:10, archived)
# well it certainly makes the page load faster
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:13, archived)
# It uses up less colours too.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:24, archived)
# he is shuffling.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:14, archived)
# all chinese people shuffle.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:14, archived)
# I think he's just doing the Watusi
 
woo!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:20, archived)
# The Twist.
Eldorado.
Take this brother, may it serve you well.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:23, archived)
# AND SO ON
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:36, archived)
# youtube comments lol
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 5:21, archived)
# Oh dear! Oh dear, no!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:27, archived)
#
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:00, archived)
# ha ha, NABISCO
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:02, archived)
# SHREDDED WHEAT
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:04, archived)
# I was trying not to laugh when I saw it in the shops, on an angle, the other day
HAHAHA
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:05, archived)
# *googles*
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:05, archived)
# totally satanic
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:08, archived)
# everytime I apply peanut butter to a Ritz cracker, I am enslaved
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:09, archived)
# THE PEOPLE WILL CONFORM AND EAT OREOS
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:09, archived)
# secret societies DO exist.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:18, archived)
# They do. But I suspect that in reality they are very dull.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:21, archived)
# What, exactly, do the Illuminati gain by putting symbols on Oreo cookies?
Those guys need a better conspiracy.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:09, archived)
# slavery disguised as chocolatey goodness
we are doomed
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:11, archived)
# THE SOLE OF YOUR SHOE IS MINE!
Righto slave, off to the FEMA Concentration Camp biscuit factory you go. God Bless America
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:17, archived)
# DIE! ON ORGANIC POISON GAS
SERPENT'S EGG'S ALREADY BEEN HATCHED
 
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:47, archived)
# OH SHIT
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:24, archived)
# Hey. But doesn't that healthcare logo really look kindof sorta like a nazi banner design I once saw, yeah?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:05, archived)
# EAT YOUR PROCESSED FOOD SHEEPLE!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:05, archived)
# lol famous faeces
:)
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:06, archived)
# PUTIN ON THE RITZ
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:07, archived)
# Putin keeps giving me the sexy eye
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:08, archived)
# OH HAI, MR GAY ICON
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:14, archived)
# you left a couple of local nutters off
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:10, archived)
# Yes!
I should've put in Mr Keys as well
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:11, archived)
# FIVE MORE YEARS
 

 
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:15, archived)
# fuck me, that's brilliant
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:17, archived)
# well, it certainly is colourful, but I would not go that far
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:48, archived)
# GIVE ME YOUR BONERS
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:19, archived)
# careful what you wish for ...
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:21, archived)
# BONERS!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:45, archived)
# PROBOSCIS BLOWJOB
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 4:05, archived)
[challenge entry]
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:45, archived)
# arf..........at least he's got 2 eyes
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:49, archived)
# chortle
Remember, kids! Mark Thomas knows a lot of very, very dull facts and is fully prepared to pretend that they are actually comedy, and repeat them at you.

A lot.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:55, archived)
# haven't seen him over here
 
just looked at some youtube clips, he's about as funny as a fat Ben Elton
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:58, archived)
# Hey, you watch it
He gave me some handmade paintbombs. True story.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:02, archived)
# I quite like Mark Thomas, just not as a comedian. It's weird.
I particularly remember one show where he was stood in front of a giant flowchart diagram of the companies that now run the UK rail networks.

Ben Elton is similarly enthusiastic, but repellant. But Blackadder was so good. It's all very confusing.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:02, archived)
# Ben is a better writer than he is a performer.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:05, archived)
# he was funny in the eighties
what's he done lately, that you'd rate?
 
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:07, archived)
# I'm not fully up to date.
I just wiki'd and there are two more books I have not read yet.
And a new one out soon. But I've read the others and liked
most of them as good quick reads with a nice dash of vitriol.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:17, archived)
# ^this
He's about exciting as looking at a dead fish when he performs
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:10, archived)
[challenge entry] Change? The olde gals had little to say about it.

I'm not sure if I understand the direction of this Vote for a Change thing.
Dilution of the electorate is an olde game that has served the Statists more
than it ever has for the Progressives. Keep your eye on issues and ability.
</soapbox mode>
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:26, archived)
# hehe
CHANGE IS WIV DA ANGELS NOW
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:31, archived)
# perfectly PUT!
:)put put put
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:39, archived)
# heheh
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:34, archived)
# Indeed.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:36, archived)
# :D
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:36, archived)
# anyone explain what isketch is?
it sounds fun
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:40, archived)
# It's a place where people draw cocks and get banned
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:44, archived)
# isnt it like an online pictionary/win-lose-or-draw sorta thing
it seems fairly popular with b3ta people but I have no idea how you locate them on the website
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:44, archived)
# had to wiki it me
does sound kind of fun....maybe venture it at some point:)
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:47, archived)
# yep
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:37, archived)
# The cocks also vote for other cocks
It's a complete Animal Farm: All cocks are equal but some are more equal than others
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:03, archived)
# Basically, yes.
My first version was longer with "and only the cocks get to run."
But I tightened the quip up to be more direct and to the point.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:08, archived)
#
I'm not sure I understand the direction of this campaign either. The petition looks almost deliberately vague:

"Politics is now too important to be left to the politicians. At the next election I want to be able to cast my vote for a new parliament and a new politics.

I demand the right to be able to vote for a change…"

Clear as mud, right? What are they actually asking us to sign up to? A referendum, apparently, but on what? Proportional representation? Reform of the expenses system?

A whois query shows that voteforachange.co.uk is registered to Soapbox Communications, a "communications agency", but it isn't clear who the client is. Could it be Brass Eye?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 7:28, archived)
# Exactly so.
It struck me as misdirection and bandwagoning of the "change" slogan from the Obama campaign.
Your suggestion is much more fun than what I suspect. Which is toffs trying to play both ends off the
middle once again.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 7:58, archived)
#
Sadly you're probably right.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 7:59, archived)
# TANZEN WIR NUN
 

 
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:26, archived)
# bah, filesize dude!
far too small :p
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:27, archived)
# TANZT DAS ZNS
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:28, archived)
# POLITICAL FUCK ENGAGED
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:28, archived)
# THIS SHOULD BE INSIDE EVERY PARLIAMENT HOUSE
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:33, archived)
#

(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:33, archived)
# THEY THREW UP ON EVERY PART OF THE INDIANS
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:35, archived)
# no part left to waste
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:48, archived)
# dr dyslexia?
hehe that dog, cant tell if he's angry or happy
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:34, archived)
# SO HAPPY!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:35, archived)
# ALL NIGHT!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:40, archived)
# your doctor dyslexia pastiches are improving i see
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:04, archived)
# I AM REFINING MY TECHNIQUES I AM A SERIOUS DIGITAL ARTIST
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 3:10, archived)
# .
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:17, archived)
# i'm warming to this mystery already
:)
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:23, archived)
# this is great
:D ahh god himself looks like this
edit: is that charles manson in the green circle
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:23, archived)
# BRENDLEBROT
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:23, archived)
# When's the next series?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:24, archived)
# not for a while
the ad break usually goes for about three weeks
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:34, archived)
# scrolls nicely
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:27, archived)
# this is too huge for b3ta...
...*takes to the cosmos*.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 7:35, archived)
[challenge entry]
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:05, archived)
# GNOP DYLAN
ftw
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:05, archived)
# HEH HEH
got some spare change guv?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:07, archived)
# EGGERS
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:13, archived)
#
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:17, archived)
# hahah
thats great
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:19, archived)
# freaky deekie!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:24, archived)
# hahaha
total funstuff
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:35, archived)
# ahhhhahhhah sweet edit
 
I shall be enjoying these later
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:38, archived)
[challenge entry]
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:54, archived)
# WINNRE
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:55, archived)
[challenge entry] pfft
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:42, archived)
# they died of aids.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:44, archived)
# I can imagine they died of
worms or tic bites.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:46, archived)
# so it goes
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:54, archived)
# chortles
:D
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:02, archived)
[challenge entry] Come on Gordon!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:40, archived)
# hahaha
excellent!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:40, archived)
# thank you :)
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:41, archived)
# Heh.
What on earth was the source?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:46, archived)
# tomato
i think
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:46, archived)
# haha
actually, not unlike that^. Our politicians fit the picture well, and it was easy to find too :D
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:53, archived)
# HAHAHAHA
love every pound of THAT
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:02, archived)
# thank you very much :)
it turned out much better than I expected
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:03, archived)
# AAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA
THAT'S GOLD

(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:07, archived)
# thanks :)
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:15, archived)
# LOLITICS, AMIRITE?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:38, archived)
# Anyone can ROAST BEEF, but nobody can PEE
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:40, archived)
# YEAH
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:45, archived)
# lol
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:30, archived)
# pfffft
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:31, archived)
# That's an olde story.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:33, archived)
# ahhhhhahhhahhhahh lovely
 
what was the original illustration?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:35, archived)
# Another Punch image as I recall.
I'll look and see if I can find the original context.
edit:
Original caption from October 18, 1890:
THE VICTIMS OF HIGH SPEED.
THE DREAM OF AN ANXIOUS CAPTAIN AFTER TEARING ACROSS THE FISHING-GROUNDS OF NEWFOUNDLAND.

(My historical note: Early season ice leading to many losses between 1882 and 1892)
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:42, archived)
# wow!
humans used to be so bad-assed!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:55, archived)
# hahaha
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:33, archived)
# Harold Trotter?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:35, archived)
# SERIOUS JIZZ
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:36, archived)
# WIZBIT
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:36, archived)
# anybody can suck penis
but nobody can pee suckness
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:37, archived)
# "HEY KID, FUCK YOU"
"MAKE ME"
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:41, archived)
# DRGS
U
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:44, archived)
# cheers for that
To be honest I work fucking hard on what I do, like a lot of people on here, and I don't ask for anything in return. Stuff like this genuinely upsets me when I'm just trying to make people laugh.

I like b3ta, its a good place to post what I draw and I like the conversation, if there are guidelines for not doing what I've been doing please say and I'll stop.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:28, archived)
[challenge entry] meh!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:56, archived)
# Arf!
Most good, MOST GOOD!
I'm going to click this, and I haven't clicked HappyToats' HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHA HA I'M A MASSIVE BASTARD!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:57, archived)
# :)
bed tiem..night
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:59, archived)
[challenge entry]
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:59, archived)
# I fucking would too
Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:00, archived)
# yey!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:20, archived)
[challenge entry]
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:01, archived)
[challenge entry] and finally


how rude, woo to mushybees - needs more glass eye rolling away though :)
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:02, archived)
# If you don't vote for him, he'll be Ang Lee
you won't like him when he's Ang Lee
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:06, archived)
# are you being lacist?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:15, archived)
# hehe
also: holy shit, remember that compo entry I entered, with the 12 Chinooks in the background? And the * sign saying "actual number of Chinooks may vary"? Well apparently there are less than 10 Chinooks in Afghanistan :o
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:34, archived)
# I presume that the darts are somehow repelled from Mr. Brown's face seeing as no one will vote for him.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:48, archived)
# :D
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 10:34, archived)
[challenge entry] mnnnnnnnghh
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:53, archived)
# bumpod
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:55, archived)
[challenge entry] In that case
Image Hosted by ImageShack.us
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:56, archived)
# fart right onto the mouth
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:56, archived)
# breathe into arse
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:00, archived)
# and repeat
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:01, archived)
# DOES HE SMELL?
HOW?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 2:05, archived)
[challenge entry] lol


gays
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:44, archived)
# gordon brown k'd gay intro?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:46, archived)
# Gordon Brown I'd gay into?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:46, archived)
# gordon brann kid gay inits?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:49, archived)
# more people need to mash signs up
bill drummond style
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:53, archived)
# by nailing a million quid to them?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:14, archived)
[challenge entry] 3 Political Stooges
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:40, archived)
# HALO I AM AN WIDDERCAM
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:41, archived)
# HAHAHAHAHA!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:41, archived)
# ami2weird4u gets the laptop
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:41, archived)
# I'd like to see HappyToast top that.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:42, archived)
# I HATE YOUR FUCKING GUTS AND HOPE THAT YOU DIE
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:42, archived)
# wow, the only thing you got right here was the image tags.
 
I think you should post a broken link in a new thread just to cover all the bases.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:42, archived)
# .bmp?
I'm just saying...
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:43, archived)
# I'm not sure a bmp would be larger
and to be honest i'm not going to copy and paste this into paint to find out
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:44, archived)
# my first image post
was huge, in bmp format, and full of seams,

i've improved, slightly :D
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:52, archived)
# Mine was 70k and got about five replies all murdering me for being 10kb over the limit
Ah, b3ta.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:54, archived)
# But the limit was 50k?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:55, archived)
# DON'T YOU THINK HE'S SUFFERED ENOUGH?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:57, archived)
# i think this was my first
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:58, archived)
# I got one reply
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:02, archived)
# I'm so old, when I first posted over the limit no one batted an eyelid.
Or maybe that's why everyone hates me...?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:00, archived)
# haha
well it's on imageshack so that's half way there right?
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:45, archived)
# CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?
 

 
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:03, archived)
# HAHAHAHAHA
Hilary fucking loves it
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:08, archived)
# AS SECRETARY OF STATE MY FIRST OFFICIAL ACT WILL BE A FOUR HOUR METH FUELLED BONGO SOLO
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:10, archived)
# NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:10, archived)
# SCRATCH THAT
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:14, archived)
# JUST ONE TASTE
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:25, archived)
# ok if this one doesn't win then i'm leaving the site forever
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:43, archived)
# yay
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:44, archived)
# T_T
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:45, archived)
# aaaaw :) xx
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:47, archived)
# Hahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahaha
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:46, archived)
# haha 366k
but worth it to get it so seamless
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:43, archived)
# Hahahahahhaahahha how the fuck?!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:45, archived)
# blended perfectly
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:55, archived)
[challenge entry] like you have a choice
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:38, archived)
# pfffffffffffffffffffffft
 
YES
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:40, archived)
# Voting for Boris is much more entertaining than anything I can
do with about a fiver in coins.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:41, archived)
# RECESSION BUSTER
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:42, archived)
# I'd like the chance of throwing the pound coins at them
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:43, archived)
[challenge entry] while I've got the layers open
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:44, archived)
# Cry Havoc
..and let slip the dogs of war!
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:16, archived)
# What a rip off,
those coins don't amount to £5.
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:46, archived)
# actual value of fiver can go down as well as up
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:48, archived)
# Hahahaha
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 0:46, archived)
# hahahaha
(, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 1:09, archived)

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