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 Predictably my facebook feed is now full of "Blame the owner not the dog!" posts
	Predictably my facebook feed is now full of "Blame the owner not the dog!" posts I am of the opinion that you'd have to be pretty naive not to realise that some breeds really should not be kept as pets.
What do you think?
Alt. Anyone fancy a piss up in Bristol on the 19th April
Alt Alt Seen any good films lately?
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:13, 195 replies, latest was 13 years ago)
 fucking cunts
	fucking cuntsevery single stall at that food market has an enormous queue and it's freezing. i gave up and came in without anything.
CUNTS. STAY ABOUT FROM MY FOOD MARKET.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:15, Reply)
 oh man, it's always the same in sainsburys, the decent ones in the litttle brown lunchbags always go first
	oh man, it's always the same in sainsburys, the decent ones in the litttle brown lunchbags always go first(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:18, Reply)
 Certain breeds are obviously more powerful than others
	Certain breeds are obviously more powerful than othersbut no dog is inherently an attack risk. Dogs that attack are usually badly trained or have behavioural problems from mistreatment.
Edit: I have no idea whether this is based off a news story or not and I hate dogs.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:15, Reply)
 Animals that require training probably shouldn't be kept as pets
	Animals that require training probably shouldn't be kept as petsLook at the mess we make as a species raising kids
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:19, Reply)
 some pikey kid in Wigan got eaten by  a drug dealer's pack of attack dogs
	some pikey kid in Wigan got eaten by  a drug dealer's pack of attack dogsI'll be honest, I don't think we've lost the cure for cancer there
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:21, Reply)
 it's only been on the front page of the BBC News site for the last 24 hours, I'm surprised anyone's noticed
	it's only been on the front page of the BBC News site for the last 24 hours, I'm surprised anyone's noticed(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:34, Reply)
 I'm actually free on April 19th
	I'm actually free on April 19thMeet me halfway though, Bristol's the other side of the country
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:15, Reply)
 tell you what right, everyone calls me Frank but I feel properly weird because I don't know who the fuck any of you people are or what your names are and I actually don't care
	tell you what right, everyone calls me Frank but I feel properly weird because I don't know who the fuck any of you people are or what your names are and I actually don't careI might make up first names for all of you
you strike me as an Abdul
alright Abdul
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:18, Reply)
 Everyone on here knows my name, there was a fucking meme about it (EDIT - see^)
	Everyone on here knows my name, there was a fucking meme about it (EDIT - see^)Nonetheless in the spirit of our new found friendship I'm re-christening you Cyril
Alright Cyril
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:21, Reply)
 Nakers' real name is Joey.
	Nakers' real name is Joey.He had a brief career in BBC childrens TV in the '80s
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:22, Reply)
 I actually know Nakers' real name
	I actually know Nakers' real namebut I foolishly promised not to tell
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:22, Reply)
 Ed, Charlie, Piers, Fabian, Giles, Julian, Miles, Sebastian, etc.
	Ed, Charlie, Piers, Fabian, Giles, Julian, Miles, Sebastian, etc.It's one of them ^
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:28, Reply)
 you know mine, it's right there in the username
	you know mine, it's right there in the usernamealthough not all of it's accurate
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:22, Reply)
 this is why you have been excluded from the last few SECRETLOLBASHES
	this is why you have been excluded from the last few SECRETLOLBASHES(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:42, Reply)
 
	 Karl Howman (Jacko in Brush Strokes) appears as a young Detective Sergeant who enjoys socialising with the criminal fraternity.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:52, Reply)
 ^ What TuiB said^
	^ What TuiB said^Apart from Biscuit b3ths dog, but agree about the owner
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:25, Reply)
 I think people who have more than two dogs are usually a bit shit at life generally, let alone looking after dogs.
	I think people who have more than two dogs are usually a bit shit at life generally, let alone looking after dogs.I saw Zero Dark Thirty, it was pretty good, if a bit slow.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:20, Reply)
 People who have certain breeds of dog so they "look hard" need shooting.
	People who have certain breeds of dog so they "look hard" need shooting.It's not a pet, it's to intimidate others and/or cover up for some inadequacy.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:23, Reply)
 Staffies are not even violent to people. They're just retarded and full of muscle
	Staffies are not even violent to people. They're just retarded and full of muscle(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:26, Reply)
 Bull- breeds were bred for fighting
	Bull- breeds were bred for fightingThe fact that they often bite people should come as no shock at all
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:30, Reply)
 I don't really see why that's relevant.
	I don't really see why that's relevant.Dogs in general have evolved to be really fucking good at hunting and killing in packs and that's not seen as any kind of bar to ownership. What the breed was bred for has nothing to do with temprament.
Or to put it another way, bull terriers are no more likely to fight things than old english sheepdogs are. Bull terriers are simply better at it when they do.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:51, Reply)
 staffies used to be known as pram guards as they were so good with babies
	staffies used to be known as pram guards as they were so good with babieswe ruined them* with interbreeding and aggressive training.
* not all obvs
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:35, Reply)
 What the fuck is wrong with the British justice system?
	What the fuck is wrong with the British justice system?www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21955844
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:27, Reply)
 Nothing, it's working perfectly well.
	Nothing, it's working perfectly well.The government can't just go "We don't like him get him out" they have to have a legal reason.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:28, Reply)
 ^ This
	^ ThisI am far happier living in a country where the rules apply to everyone.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:29, Reply)
 Yeh but I don't see why we have to put him up in a 20 million pound council house
	Yeh but I don't see why we have to put him up in a 20 million pound council house and give him £50,000 a week in benifits
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:30, Reply)
 He's not commited a crime in the UK, otherwise we could have just arrested him and put him in prison.
	He's not commited a crime in the UK, otherwise we could have just arrested him and put him in prison.(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:32, Reply)
 Only because we have been trying to deport him
	Only because we have been trying to deport himwww.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17769990
I'm sure there are plenty of charges here we could make stick
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:40, Reply)
 I wouldn't say it works perfectly well, but yeah, due process should be followed
	I wouldn't say it works perfectly well, but yeah, due process should be followedtbh I dunno why we don't assassinate him and blame Jordan
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:38, Reply)
 I'm with the hippy and the pervert on this one.
	I'm with the hippy and the pervert on this one.no surprise there.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:45, Reply)
 
	 Critics of this legal saga say it would never have been necessary if Abu Qatada had been charged with a crime and put on trial.
it's not the british justice system, it's the way it's applied.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)
 Unfortunatly this case has never had anything to do with the British legal system
	Unfortunatly this case has never had anything to do with the British legal systemAnd has had everything to do with pandering to the gutter press and trying to flex muscles and look like they are going to deport a suspect character.
The Home Office fucked it all up from the very beginning.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:58, Reply)
 what, no, I didn't doze off, just closed my eyes for a few minutes while I was reading your post
	what, no, I didn't doze off, just closed my eyes for a few minutes while I was reading your post(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:59, Reply)
 i only copied and pasted it from the article
	i only copied and pasted it from the articleso go and shit down the bbc's chimney, not mine
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 14:05, Reply)
 well it sounds very much like you're condoning terrorism because you fancy Abu Qatada
	well it sounds very much like you're condoning terrorism because you fancy Abu Qatadayou haven't said it, not in so many words
but we can all see what the dynamic is here
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 14:07, Reply)
 which breeds tho?
	which breeds tho?staffys are the friendliest dogs around, the only ones where the official dog breeders description includes the term "child friendly" yet because of their popularity with the sorts of people who like to train dogs to fight each other, they got a bad reputation. claiming it is naive to realise some breeds should not be kept as pets is naive in itself
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:29, Reply)
 Staffies are really bad with other dogs.
	Staffies are really bad with other dogs.But fine with people.
Well I don't like them because they drool and jump on you. but they don't bite or scratch.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:30, Reply)
 no, no they are not. staffies are possibly the friendliest breed when it comes to meeting other dogs.
	no, no they are not. staffies are possibly the friendliest breed when it comes to meeting other dogs.i'm starting to wonder if the people with the loudest opinions here actually have no clue what they are talking about, which must be a first, usually the loudest opinions are the most well informed
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:32, Reply)
 yeh actually giving a dog a gun is, in my experience, a very bad idea and certain breeds are more dangerous once they have a gun,
	yeh actually giving a dog a gun is, in my experience, a very bad idea and certain breeds are more dangerous once they have a gun,some dogs like a great dane (great for a reason) will immediately remove the ammo from the gun and keep it held in its pouch, wheras other dogs will immediately attempt to shoot a policeman
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:35, Reply)
 Well statisticly if you are going to be killed by a dog
	Well statisticly if you are going to be killed by a dogPitbulls and Rottweilers seem to be up there. Of course you can put it down to bad owners but it does seem a little disproportionate
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:35, Reply)
 why? those are the dogs that bad owners choose to train to be dangerous. it's not exactly difficult maths that.
	why? those are the dogs that bad owners choose to train to be dangerous. it's not exactly difficult maths that.(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:36, Reply)
 What about the many many cases of the well trained family pet the never bit anyone who suddenly snaps and kills?
	What about the many many cases of the well trained family pet the never bit anyone who suddenly snaps and kills?(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:39, Reply)
 Can't be bothered to go through them all in detail
	Can't be bothered to go through them all in detail but the word family appears 111 times on the wiki page for list of fatal dog attacks.THats out of 246 fatalities so I would say its pretty common that the family pet kills
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:43, Reply)
 so because they were in a family they must be well trained?
	so because they were in a family they must be well trained?not sure i follow.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:44, Reply)
 wait, i've seen the list, its for the usa,
	wait, i've seen the list, its for the usa, first family dog killer was a labrador, this screws everything up, still failing to see the bit that says it was well trained, where is that bit? cheers
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:45, Reply)
 Why does it matter if it was well trained.
	Why does it matter if it was well trained.All breeds can be badly trained
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)
 100% of staffie owners will defend them no matter what
	100% of staffie owners will defend them no matter whatso no point debating with you, even that dumb bitch whose staffie killed her own kid defended the dog.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:50, Reply)
 i wasn't talking about my dog though,
	i wasn't talking about my dog though,i didn't realise i was even defending her, is she part of this discussion?
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:52, Reply)
 also she's only partially staffy, seeing as you seem to want to talk about her.
	also she's only partially staffy, seeing as you seem to want to talk about her.i've got pics if you like too!
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:53, Reply)
 because that's the exact point we were discussing wasnt it?
	because that's the exact point we were discussing wasnt it? that it's the badness of the owner rather than the breed? i'm so confused.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)
 Yes and I am saying that even well trained dogs can attack
	Yes and I am saying that even well trained dogs can attackso the breeds most likely to kill if they did snap probably shouldn't be kept as pets. Ie. the big strong ones
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:48, Reply)
 i see what you mean
	i see what you meanbut also there is no evidence there that any of those dogs were not badly trained rather than well trained and just snapping
edit: though i should point out, if there were evidence of that then of course i would completely agree. i don't disagree even, i just havent seen any evidence other than what people reckon, so far here
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:49, Reply)
 A large number of the deaths are children
	A large number of the deaths are childrenSo really the size of the dog is irrelevant.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:57, Reply)
 oh, second one was a dog the family was keeping for a family friend, so not a family dog after all.
	oh, second one was a dog the family was keeping for a family friend, so not a family dog after all.am i looking at the same info as you here?
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:46, Reply)
 Probably
	Probablybut there is no evidence that the majority of the dogs in the list were badly trained.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:47, Reply)
 there's no evidence to say that they werent either
	there's no evidence to say that they werent eitherso i have no idea why you thought the list proved anything
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:48, Reply)
 And those breeds are the ones that are also statisically more kept by bad owners who don't train and encourage aggression in their dogs
	And those breeds are the ones that are also statisically more kept by bad owners who don't train and encourage aggression in their dogsSo?
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:58, Reply)
 Also, Rotties/Pit Bulls are going to be skewed examples
	Also, Rotties/Pit Bulls are going to be skewed examplesas they are frequently kept as untrained guard dogs, so very much more likely to be in a situation where they attack
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 14:01, Reply)
 god damn, the only data i can find on fatal dog attacks in europe only goes up to 2010,
	god damn, the only data i can find on fatal dog attacks in europe only goes up to 2010,when there were 15 in all of europe and it doesn't say how many of them were a well trained family pet :( i am terrible at research
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:43, Reply)
 I found a stat that says
	I found a stat that says Over 75% of dog bites are from the pet of family or friends. Yes I know stats can prove everything
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:45, Reply)
 I bet the majority of people who get bitten
	I bet the majority of people who get bittenare the sort who can't recognise the warning signs of a dog getting stressed.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:54, Reply)
 Oh no, don't do that, I don't think it would be very healthy for the dog.
	Oh no, don't do that, I don't think it would be very healthy for the dog. (, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 14:07, Reply)
 there is a reason why nobody has ever been mauled to death by a chihuahua
	there is a reason why nobody has ever been mauled to death by a chihuahua(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:44, Reply)
 i bet if the owners wanted, they could make all of those dogs pretty dangerous,
	i bet if the owners wanted, they could make all of those dogs pretty dangerous,like, you might get yer ankles knackered up.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:49, Reply)
 totally
	totallyand in fact apparently postmen dread yorkshire terriers most of all. but those dogs still aren't going to kill you, unless you lie down and let them chew your face off...
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 14:00, Reply)
 Haven't seen a flick in ages, but there are quite a few i'm looking forward to.
	Haven't seen a flick in ages, but there are quite a few i'm looking forward to.Haven't seen any good flicks in ages.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:33, Reply)
 You think that's bad, I've got some Geordie bint on my facebook feed posting pitcures and abusing the fuck out of her hastagging.
	You think that's bad, I've got some Geordie bint on my facebook feed posting pitcures and abusing the fuck out of her hastagging.Wound me the fuck up, that did.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:37, Reply)
 You can link your twitter account to your facebook account so your tweets are also posted on there.
	You can link your twitter account to your facebook account so your tweets are also posted on there.(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:54, Reply)
 Precisely.
	Precisely.Just over thirty miles of cabling needed - best buy a 300 mile one, to be on the safe side.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:57, Reply)
 That's ok rory, i like to feel you inside of me
	That's ok rory, i like to feel you inside of mecan you feel yourself inside of me?
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:52, Reply)
 They're more or less the same as kids
	They're more or less the same as kidsIf you train them right, you can take them anywhere. If not, they're a pain in the arse.
And occasionally you get ones that are never going to behave well no matter what you do. These dogs can be classified as 'little cunts'.
Alt: no offence, but not if it's just you. It'll cost me a fortune to get home on a Friday night, and it'd need to be a decent bash to be worth it. Apart from that, yeah, I'd love to.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:45, Reply)
 Get some others along, ad I'll be there.
	Get some others along, ad I'll be there.Or pay for a taxi home.
I'll even bring a book to wave at you, if you like.
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:52, Reply)
 I think every breed of dog can be trained, but some take more training than others
	I think every breed of dog can be trained, but some take more training than othersThe fact that these dogs were able to grow into what they were lays the blame at the owners feet.
Alt: No thanks
AltAlt: Watched a few films over the weekend.
Good - Harry Brown, Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs, Kick Ass
OK - Princess Bride
Pretty shit - Ghost Rider
(, Wed 27 Mar 2013, 14:06, Reply)
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