I am rather tired today
This is due to sleeping on my son's bedroom floor last night so I could see him off on holiday to the states this morning.

When ere you last very tired and how did you cope with it?

Alt: I can think of few places I'd less like to go to than America, tell me why I'm wrong/right.

ALtAlt: Beards a good or a bad thing?
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 9:53, 94 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

I am often fucking tired due to sleeping badly
I deal with it via coffee, like a man

Alt:
Never been to America but Mexico was my favourite place I've visited

AltAlt:
I hate it when I need to shave after about 5 days. Too fucking scratchy
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 9:55, Reply)

*slurp*
yup, this is the way to go. I'me not sure if it's manly or hipster thatI have a coffee holder on the handlebars of my bike.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 9:59, Reply)

Do you drink it whilst riding?
If so, acceptable. If not, hipster
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:00, Reply)

That is well bent.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:09, Reply)

Never been to the States, wouldn't really want to.
I'm removing my beard today, I look like Father sodding Christmas.
(Pookie Bear had some very shiny foez, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 9:56, Reply)

*coughnotallowedintotheUScough*

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:01, Reply)

There's that too.

(Pookie Bear had some very shiny foez, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:08, Reply)

Having never been there, how do you know you wouldn't like to go there?
America is MASSIVE - people get snooty about "Oh half of them don't have passports" - they don't NEED passports. The place is like melding Norway through Yurp to Africa, and equally varied. It's great.

Like everywhere it has it's share of wankers and great people. The service industry knocks the British into a cocked hat, and also they have Winona Ryder so that wins everything.

Altalt: depends. My dad has a full beard, because when he was in his 20s he was hitchhiking around Europe and it was too much hassle to shave. He firmly believes that either one has a beard - in order to avoid shaving - or one doesn't. Shaving AND having a beard is ridiculous. Thus he thoroughly enjoyed watching me go through my 20s.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 9:56, Reply)

If we had Spanish weather in Cornwall, how many Brits would bother with a passport?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 9:57, Reply)

Precisely this.
Snootiness about America I encounter I find really annoying, not to mention ignorant.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:00, Reply)

Not being snooty really, there are many other places I'd like to visit.
Mate lived in Guatemala, he enjoyed that.
(Pookie Bear had some very shiny foez, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:02, Reply)

It's lazy and wholly unwarranted snobbery which tells you far more negative stuff about the wanker saying it than about Americans

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:03, Reply)

Or possibly some people do not like some of the countries they have been to as much as others.

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:05, Reply)

Talking specifically about the oft-touted 'passports' judgement here.
It's a nonsense argument.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:10, Reply)

Yes, this is a bit silly
I'd probably not have one now if you didn't need it for Europe.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:24, Reply)

isn't it also because americans get hardly any holiday, compared to us, for example?
if you only get 10 days a year, you're perhaps less likely to go abroad, as you won't want to spend 2 of them on an aeroplane.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:28, Reply)

That's true
and is also the reason why you seem them haring around Europe at 1000 miles an hour completing some exhausting checklist of photo ops, the poor sods.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:30, Reply)

Er but Americans are ALL shit
OK HTH
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:06, Reply)

Who ever said I'd never been there? I have.
there are also plenty of places I haven't been I would not like to go, because we have things called 'Television' and 'The Internet' that tell you about places without you having to go there. limited I grant you but it makes more sense that visiting every corner of the globe just so you can decide which bits you like.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:02, Reply)

I too make my assessments of vast countries based on fictional entertainment set in them.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:05, Reply)

this is not what I said, now is it?

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:05, Reply)

That Mordor looks canny
I may also visit Battered's home town of The Shire
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:06, Reply)

OK - where have you been?
Writing off an entire continent - especially one that size - is pretty difficult.

It's one thing saying "Midsomer Norton is shit", it's another saying "I wouldn't like to go to Somerset."
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:09, Reply)

I think you are being a little overly defensive here old chap
I said " I can think of few places I'd less like to go to than America" and I think you read this as "I hate america, all Americans are thick fat and stupid and I'd like the whole continent to fall into the sea" and then added "I've never been there or met an american and am basing all this of watching TV shows".

I'm just not that interested, this may also be because there are a whole long list of European places I'd like to visit and quite a few non-Europe + non-america places too. Now granted I'm not being overly positive about the place and I'm sure they have some lovely bits, but I reserve the right to not be interested in going there with out justifying myself to your silly over-blown internet anger.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:16, Reply)

You horrible racist.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:21, Reply)

That's libellous.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:29, Reply)

I think you may want to reconsider that post
and aim it at Tangles.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:30, Reply)

Fair enough, though the phrasing "I can think of few places I'd less like to go than" needs work.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:33, Reply)

it's factually accurate
and further I care not.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:42, Reply)

Alt: OK
1. Outstanding natural beauty of all kinds from snowy mountains to lush nature reserves to swamps to deserts to beaches etc etc
2. Despite their reputation for being knobbers the Americans I've met have almost all been lovely, generous people
3. Like modern music in any form? They invented most of it so you can visit the places where it all started.
4. You can get lovely food (as well as shite)
5. Again despite their reputation as having no history, the relative modernity of the country means what they do have they make a real effort to preserve
6. On the coasts, particularly, they are easily as culturally sophisticated as Europeans
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 9:57, Reply)

As a narrow minded young man I used to think Americans were dreadful people
Then I met some and they all turned out to be, as you say, lovely, generous people.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:04, Reply)

Same here, I'm something of a 'reformed smoker' in my enthusiasm for them and their beautiful country.
Even the more sinister aspects of their society seem to me to come from a naive self-belief in their own righteousness (much like this country in the Victorian age) rather than some inherent 'evil'. They genuinely believe in the 'American way' and for all that is of course cretinous, it's an honest belief. They really lack our cynicism, much like children, and it's actually quite endearing.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:08, Reply)

^patronising

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:11, Reply)

Monty Boyce in "liking something" shocker

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:05, Reply)

It's fucking brilliant.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:11, Reply)

I do want to go some time
My mate did quite a tour for 3 weeks and loved everywhere he went. One of the lads in here is doing Route 66 next year in a Cadillac
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:14, Reply)

I am doing 3 weeks in California in afew weeks time.
Got a campervan for 9 days and a Mustang convertible for the rest of it.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:31, Reply)

My old man used to have a Mustang convertible in the mid 60s.
When he moved to the US he looked into getting another one but said the new ones are horrible to drive, much as the old ones were - even though they look great.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:34, Reply)

6 - i don't think i know any particularly cultured europeans

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:12, Reply)

Oh right. Thanks.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:19, Reply)

you know it!

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:23, Reply)

I'm tired every morning I wake up
What kind of cunt wakes up all refreshed, leaping out of bed and singing that fucking 'good morning, good morning, I've slept the whole night through..' song? Cunts to a man.
( Reginald Donkeyfuck, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 9:58, Reply)

Children.
Cunts.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 9:59, Reply)

^this, usually.
However, last night I crashed at bout nine and only woke up once during the night, so today I am one of those cunts.
( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:00, Reply)

er, me
i'm v much a morning person. and a night owl.

3pm, however, i could sleep like the dead
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:30, Reply)

I tend to deal with tiredness by yawning a lot and commenting on how tired I am.
Alt: I'd like to go to America. I reckon there's a lot worth seeing there.
Altalt: My beard is a good thing, but it would be silly to generalise all beards based on how good mine is.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 9:59, Reply)

chompy's patchy neck beard is a classic example of when 'beards go wrong'

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:01, Reply)

A football moustache
11 a side
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:04, Reply)

i'm not quite sure i understand what a neckbeard is
first i thought it was an actual thing, then i thought it was a reddit insult for fat internet losers... is it when people are so hairy that their beard grows down their neck and onto their back/chest? or is it implying that they have so many chins that they also have a neckbeard?

help me out here........
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:08, Reply)

google image search is your friend
also, in this case, your enemy.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:10, Reply)

yeah, i don't think i want to know that badly
i just wanted to know if it is a noun or an insult...
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:11, Reply)

Both.
I think it may even be a synecdoche (a term /concept I learned in English Lit many years ago, swore I'd never need and am quite possibly misusing now) it's a (shit) style of facial hair which has become synonymous with a certain kind of nerd.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:19, Reply)

my idea of a nerd is a skinny, pencil-necked dweeb, like sheldon from BBT
who could never grow a beard. i can see i need to rethink my lexicon.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:22, Reply)

yeah, losta fat, sweaty nerds
often with beards.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:23, Reply)

*avoids comicon*

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:24, Reply)

It's an untrimmed beard,
that crawls down the neck, and meets with the chest hair.
(Pookie Bear had some very shiny foez, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:10, Reply)

that makes me itchy

( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:11, Reply)

itchy beard lols

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:13, Reply)

The idea is to give the illusion of not having a big fat neck, but instead a large jaw.
A quick google image search will reveal that they are fooling no one.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:12, Reply)

ah, this kind of makes sense
not as much sense as going for a run and buying a razor, but yer.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:13, Reply)

Alt: you're obviously right, as you know whether you want to go there or not.

( b3th Not shit. Not mod., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:01, Reply)

Finally, sense prevails

( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:07, Reply)

All yanks are fat cunts. And stupid.
And fat. All of them. And the rest are wankers.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:09, Reply)

I've been to America twice
I hated it both times, but it wasn't America's fault. It tried its best. I just think I didn't go to the places that were right for me.
( Two Hats 🎩🎩, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:10, Reply)

My old man lived in Chicago for a while,
in a suburb which was 20mins from the 'big city' but was on the shores of a freshwater lake (with sandy beach) in a conservation area of extraordinary beauty, like a film set. It was like smalltown America whilst being minutes from the 'action' AND seaside AND millions of 2nd hand record shops. I'd move there tomorrow if I could.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:15, Reply)

That'll be lake Michigan?

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:18, Reply)

It sho' nuff will.
I didn't realise it was so big it was tidal.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:19, Reply)

my best friend from school moved back there when she was about 11
it was the most gorgeous place. and property is so cheap compared to here.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:22, Reply)

The Great lakes are 20% of the Earth's fresh water.
With thousands of miles of shoreline. The first time I flew into Minneapolis we were flying over (Huron?) one for over an hour.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:22, Reply)

Fucking nuts innit.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:23, Reply)

I spent one summer holiday camping by lake Ontario
jumping off cliffs into the water with no fear, because it was completely transparent and you could tell precisely how deep it was and that there were no hidden rocks etc. Fan-fucking-tastic.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:25, Reply)

I spent a wonderful summer in and out of your Mum.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:27, Reply)

Me too! 1973 it was.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:28, Reply)

It was the summer of '87.
Very flexible YM. Easy to bend over.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:29, Reply)

hahaha
'cos YM'ses are benders
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:47, Reply)

I often sleep very little but fortunately rarely wake up still tired
Alt.

Ok I like to generalise with regard to Americans as it is very easy to do. Most of the individual yanks I have met have been very nice genuine people who were educated and restrained. Unfortunately the country itself suffers due to the projected nature. I guess due to its vast size you will always get large pockets of fuckwittery, The whole USA USA thing drives me up the wall, but I guess it would be like judging the populace of the UK by the standards of that Nigel Farage.

alt alt beards are great for peados.
(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:10, Reply)

Socks and sandals too.

(Pookie Bear had some very shiny foez, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:14, Reply)

and little glasses

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:20, Reply)

I'm proud to be an American
Where at least I know I am free?

Patriot Act anyone?
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:16, Reply)

See, its how easy they make it to mock them

(Bonzodog29 is an unemployed sponge of the worst kind, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:21, Reply)

*eats freedom fries*

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:22, Reply)

I'm often very tired as I'm a night owl and tend not to go to bed before 1am
I deal with this by sleeping in very late at the weekend. This is not really a successful strategy.

Alt: I've done Florida, Seattle and Vegas, they were all pretty good. I really liked Seattle, loads of bookshops and markets and and the weather was lovely while I was there although I was assured it rains most of the time. I suspect this is a lie told to stop everybody moving there.

Altalt: Beards are of course an awesome thing. On men, anyway.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:11, Reply)

Beards are a sign of fecklessness.

(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:15, Reply)

It's true!
*has no feck*
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:18, Reply)

I'm currently in the process of bearding it up.
This is more to do with my new 'depression' look
( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:23, Reply)

I like to think mine gives me an air of Musketeer elegance,
rather than the 'scruffy tramp' look which is the reality.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:26, Reply)

I would go full 'Cavalier', big 'tache plus bit just under bottom lip. That's a superior look.

( MEATSNAKE Richard Hammond, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:36, Reply)

No, that's cowlicks

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:22, Reply)

Pfft.
I know you ain't mocking anyone else's 'do.
(Set your faces to Stunned Bigly, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:23, Reply)

I found America to be great.
Done Florida (the usual theme park thing and a couple of road trips to the Keys), San Fransisco, Vegas, LA, San Diego and skiing in New England. The people are friendly, the service without match, and the food mostly very good.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:51, Reply)

I would avoid Florida if I went, probably spend most of my time in Delaware and north Dakota

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:55, Reply)

The drive down to the Keys is great, though.
And Key West is probably the most chilled out place I've ever been to.
( Davros' Granddad a voice of calm reason in a world of spastics., Tue 6 Aug 2013, 10:58, Reply)