Pics or it didn't happen
SPAAAAAAAACE!!!!
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 22:13,
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Oops. They lost it.
spacenews.com/rocket-lab-electron-launch-fails/
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 0:45,
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I should have waited for staging then.
Saw it have a lumpy ride through max-q (17.45 on the stream), but gave up and went to bed after that.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 8:15,
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Sheep
They didn't even seem to budge - even with that huge booming rocket going off! Jeez the Kiwis are chilled as bro!
(, Fri 10 Jul 2020, 10:48, Reply)
Glass Cock
Chris Morris on Biteback 1994
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artifus is doing it all wrong, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 17:35,
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Buck Moon eclipse
If you are awake between about 04:07 and 06:52, UK, look at the Moon.
There is a partial penumbral eclipse. Quite subtle, but the top 1/3 should be a bit "smudged".[More info].
It's a full Moon, and the top 1/3 will be blurry.
Like this "before and after" from a previous one;
"Buck Moon" = the first full Moon of Summer, when male deer literally get horny.
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 16:52, Reply)
I just cannot stand V-Sauce.
Anyway, fancy answering the questions I've been asking you for two weeks?
b3ta.com/links/1543621
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 17:19,
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OK, sure.
One at a time, OK?
You said, "It does indeed contain the dialogue that you spam here every week."
Please show evidence that I spammed it every week, or apologise for the severe exaggeration.
i posted about it twice recently. Last week, and this.
Also, when he first posted it, in 2019.
Not every week.
Respond to that, and we can move on to the next point.
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 17:25, Reply)
This pedantry does not disguise your evasiveness; you are still not answering my questions.
But fine, you have spammed it this week and last week, not every week. I apologise for getting that point wrong.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 17:36,
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Sorry, I missed that question.
Yes, it's fine to take them one at a time.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 17:45,
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And, BTW, I have been slandered with accusations about me being a paedo - during this discussion, on b3ta.
Example.
"How does it make you feel?"
Water off a duck's back, basically.
[Re. "How would you feel if someone repeatedly and systematically slandered you with 'paedo stuff'?"]
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 17:58, Reply)
I don't see any accusations of paedophilia in that conversation. Can you quote the exact sentence?
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 20:07, Reply)
Loath as I am to agreeing with Mr Penis, I also cannot see any accusations against you in that link.
The picture accurately mocks you for saying that reviewing a game with a paedophile joke makes you (the reviewer) a paedophile.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 20:55,
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...Nope, still not seeing anyone accusing you of paedophilia in that link either.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 21:13,
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...Nope, still not seeing where I claimed anyone was accusing me of paedophilia in that link either.
Fuck off.
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 22:15, Reply)
*fiddles with faulty sonic screwdriver*
fuck: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros
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artifus is doing it all wrong, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 22:29,
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Here's where you claimed you were being accused of paedophilia
b3ta.com/links/1543641
You say "And, BTW, I have been slandered with accusations about me being a paedo - during this discussion, on b3ta." Then your link, named "Example" has no example of anyone accusing you of being a paedo.
Then Mr P and me both pointed this out, to which you replied with another link to someone not calling you a paedo.
Then I pointed that out and you denied claiming anyone was accusing you of being a paedo.
Then I typed this message explaining the chain of events.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 22:52,
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Wow you deleted the embarrassing replies to this twice now.
You have truly exposed yourself tonight, SockCooker.
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brb natural fistic, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 2:20,
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Actually, not being a dick, I'll respond to the rest without worrying about that. OK, so;
"Do you accept that there is a mountain of evidence that you are fundamentally wrong about
- the nature of the game?
- the content of the game?
- how the game presents paedophilia?"
No. I have not seen a mountain of evidence that supports that opinion.
"Do you actually accept that it is possible to address the issue of paedophilia in a way that does not normalise or glorify paedophilia?"
Yes. I like "Brass Eye".
"Under what circumstances can you imagine yourself admitting that you are wrong?"
It happens often. It's great. That's how we learn.
"What standard of proof would you require?"
In this specific case, I'd really need legal evidence. I am quite certain that the game is illegal. Per the Obscene Publications Act 1959 et al.
"How would you feel if someone repeatedly and systematically slandered you with 'paedo stuff'?"
If I made a video about a game, and someone told me it contained 'paedo stuff', I would immediately remove it.
I remind you that the channel is called "You Big Nonce".
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 17:39, Reply)
"No. I have not seen a mountain of evidence that supports that opinion."
I have, and only because you brought my attention to it, albeit indirectly.
I watched the walkthrough video that dogbomb linked earlier:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSICdkvjkmI
It presents the surrounding context for that misleading picture you have thrice spammed. Hiroshi, the would-be child rapist, is not presented as a sympathetic character. He fails to groom the girl because he is so stupid and disgusting. He then commits suicide and is revealed to be a vampire or some kind of ghoul.
This game *literally dehumanises the paedophile character* and presents him as a unlikeable failure from the start.
If you remember from last week, I used my browser to search the internet for reviews of the game that include the word paedophile. The only stuff I found suggesting it's a paedophile-friendly game were posts by you on b3ta. Literally nobody else has come to the same conclusion, at least according to DuckDuckGo.
The fact that the game is hosted on Steam, combined with your claim that you have reported the game and they have done nothing in response, strongly suggests that the game complies with their ethical and legal standards. There was nothing in the walkthrough that I watched which suggested the game breaks those rules.
The fact that the reviews of the game are freely available on youtube, despite your claims that you have reported at least dogbomb's video, strongly suggests that those videos do not contain indecent images or material condoning, normalising, or glorifying paedophilia.
""Do you actually accept that it is possible to address the issue of paedophilia in a way that does not normalise or glorify paedophilia?"
Yes. I like "Brass Eye"."
That is good news.
What specific aspect of this game do you think normalises or glorifies paedophilia? Because, as I stated above, I do not see it, nor do any other interested parties.
""Under what circumstances can you imagine yourself admitting that you are wrong?"
It happens often. It's great. That's how we learn."
That is good news. Really good news.
""What standard of proof would you require?"
In this specific case, I'd really need legal evidence. I am quite certain that the game is illegal. Per the Obscene Publications Act 1959 et al. "
This is rather bad news.
Imagine turning this around to ask dogbomb if legal evidence is his standard of proof of harassment and defamation. You have provided so much of it.
Is the fact that the game complies with Steam's legal standards not good enough legal evidence?
Let's dive into the Obscene Publications Act 1959... Christ...
Wikipedia says "an article is taken to be obscene if the entire article "is, if taken as a whole, such as to tend to deprave and corrupt persons who are likely, having regard to all relevant circumstances, to read, see or hear the matter contained or embodied in it."
Wiki continues: "(It's) not sufficient for an individual to be depraved or corrupted, it must be that a significant number of people likely to read it would become corrupt."
Good fucking luck proving that. I do not believe it is reasonable to assume anyone viewing or playing the game in question will suffer deprivation or corruption of their character, especially given that there is no pictorial depiction of underage sex.
By the way, if the game turns out to be illegal, according to the act, YOU are a publisher of this offending content.
A publisher is anyone who ""distributes, circulates, sells, lets on hire, gives, or lends it, or who offers it for sale or for letting on hire", or "in the case of an article containing or embodying matter to be looked at or a record, shows, plays or projects it".[12] The Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 amended this section to include the transmission of the article electronically."
""How would you feel if someone repeatedly and systematically slandered you with 'paedo stuff'?"
If I made a video about a game, and someone told me it contained 'paedo stuff', I would immediately remove it.
I remind you that the channel is called "You Big Nonce"."
What if you made a video about Family Guy, or Brass Eye, Comic Strip Presents, etc, etc, etc, and someone told you it contained 'paedo stuff'?
Would you still remove it even though you know better than the person making the false and unsubstantiated claim?
Finally, the name SockCooker rather disqualifies you from criticising another person with a sexualised insult for a name, don't you think?
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 19:21,
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Saying things in bold doesn't make them true.
"The fact that the game is hosted on Steam" means jack shit.
"What specific aspect of this game do you think normalises or glorifies paedophilia" -
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Do you dispute what I've actually seen happen in the game?
See for yourself:
youtu.be/cSICdkvjkmI?t=1575 - Hiroshi's suicide note, suicide, then end credits. Post credits, Hiroshi's corpse reanimates with glowing red eyes.
This is not just figuratively dehumanising, it is literally dehumanising him. It's a joke in sledgehammer form. It would take dedicated and dishonest effort to interpret this as normalising or glorifying paedophilia.
Every interaction Hiroshi has with children in the game results in the children insulting him for being creepy, disgusting and incompetent. He is not presented as a sympathetic character. The object of the game is not to please or placate him in any way.
The fact that the game is hosted on Steam, despite you reporting it for breaking the rules, strongly implies that it conforms to their rules and regulations. I have seen no evidence of it containing anything obscene, nor anything that promotes or normalises paedophilia. Quite the opposite, in fact. Quite the opposite in an overt, heavy handed, unsubtle way.
I think you need to be honest with yourself before you can be honest with me, or anyone else. I also think you owe dogbomb a massive apology.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 20:43,
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"Implies" is a funny word.
I can show you 10 YouTube videos that blatantly break their rules.
They only remove things when people shout loudly enough.
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 21:09, Reply)
So do you dispute what I've actually seen in the game?
Did you see for yourself?
youtu.be/cSICdkvjkmI?t=1575
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 21:16,
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In what way is the video of the greater context surrounding your misleading screenshot 'a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted'?
You don't get to dismiss actual evidence contradicting your argument by randomly/inappropriately saying 'strawman.'
I really think you need to start being honest with yourself. You can walk back from this and people would have more respect for you.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 22:58,
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"In what way"
Because I never claimed that was a screenshot of his video.
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 23:23, Reply)
That does not make any sense at all.
How do you personally define straw man, and what are you actually applying it to?
Remember, the specific aspect of the game you think normalises or glorifies paedophilia literally is your screenshot. You said so. That is what we are talking about.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 23:36,
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Because by my definition the way you are using it makes no sense at all.
I say a straw man is 'a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted,' which is obviously not how you are using it.
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brb natural fistic, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 1:07,
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That's a fun definition, which flies in the face of reality.
A strawman argument is when you argue against something the other person never claimed. Like you did, just now.
(, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 2:18, Reply)
Productive discussion is not possible with you, is it?
I honestly think you need to talk to your GP about getting you some help. This is not a personal attack. I sincerely think you are ill and I'm worried about you.
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brb natural fistic, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 2:28,
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I'd hazard that he's on the spectrum
narrow, obsessive interests (space), inflexible thinking, inability to see yourself as others see you. perhaps never diagnosed
still, people on the spectrum are capable of learning, and you've been nothing but respectful in this exchange, so if he is on the spectrum, and again this is just a guess, I still don't think that gives him a free pass to make attacks, even if he seems to lack the facilities to see he's in error, that is obvious to others.
Generally, there is an unwritten b3ta rule that if somebody has gone to the trouble to do something creative themselves, such make a tune or review a game, to be supportive, not get all unjustifiably abusive and stalky. We're not all cyriak, but we all can use a bit of affirmation now and then
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 6:36,
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Eh, that's actually a written rule
in the faq.The unwritten rule is you don't delete threads, especially not after people take the trouble to reply to it.
A new unwritten rule is to make screenshots when dealing with him, as any well argumented reply will lead to thread deletion.
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Tusk knows where you live, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 7:01,
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^
I think it is time the mods stepped in and dealt with this. This is tantamount to bullying.
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 8:36,
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When he deletes a comment in order to delete the following thread(s) of conversation, then recreates the deleted post
that is corrupt, trolling, and abusing the system IMO.
I would describe it as devious, but we can all see him do it.
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brb natural fistic, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 14:57,
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I believe that anyone regularly typing in one of these boxes on the internet has to be on the spectrum.
Not just in an inclusive 'we're all part of the bell curve' kind of way, either. I think we all have some form of ASD.
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brb natural fistic, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 14:53,
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Not me, I'm just a cunt
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 15:08,
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no, I think ASD is something quite different to being a bit nerdy or introverted.or argumentative
In the same way that there is a big difference between liking your desk to be neat and having OCD, a fairly debilitating neurological disorder
ASD is a serious developmental disorder where part of the brain doesn't develop as it should. Those I mentioned are classic symptoms of it. People who say "we're all on the spectrum" is like saying "we all have a little bit of AIDS". Again, I'ts just a hunch with sockcooker, but I've created three learning modules for healthcare professionals, so I'm quite familiar with the subject. It's that combination of narrow interest and inflexible thinking, like the mind can't shift gears, and inability to read the room and take clues.
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 16:53,
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But you could still say all that if you yourself had undiagnosed ASD. :P
You can't acquire autism through transfer of bodily fluids so the AIDS comparison doesn't fit, imho.
Everyone has some trait or another that could be identified as autistic, and nobody knows how a brain should ideally function. Outcome is the only measure of the benefit or detriment of a given trait, surely.
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brb natural fistic, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 19:13,
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comparative metaphors do not have to be comparative in all respects. You can hardly censure sookcooker for retreating to fatuous pedantry and then doing the same yourself
And it's not true that outcomes are the only determinant of ASD. MRI scans show areas of the brain where both structure and function is significantly different in ASD patients. Again, it's a serious developmental disorder, we're not "all on the spectrum". I sat through a couple of ASD conference when writing the modules, and though I wasn't always paying attention, I do remember one of the speakers with ASD saying nothing pisses them off more than neurotypicals claiming to be "a little on the spectrum" because of some trivial bullshit. But by all means, keep claiming it
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 6 Jul 2020, 0:04,
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Dude you're having an autistic tantrum, calm down.
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brb natural fistic, Mon 6 Jul 2020, 18:58,
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Why did you say "fancy answering the questions I've been asking you for two weeks?" and post a link to questions from literally today?
Sat 4 Jul 2020, 15:44
You asked me stuff at 2:45[1], and I responded at 3:18.[2].
And so on.
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 19:06, Reply)
Have I failed to answer questions from you for two weeks?
Yes or no.
If yes, show me links.
If no, apologise for bullshitting again.
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 19:53, Reply)
It depends wether you start counting from week 1 or week 0.
I assume you start counting from week 0. I am counting from week 1. According to my chronology we are on day 2 of week 2. I assume according to yours we are on day 2 of week 1.
Of course I humbly apologise for bullshitting. I hope my apology inspires you to apologise to dogbomb for the malicious slander campaign you've inflicted on him.
I am not a lawyer and I do not communicate with robotic accuracy all the time, but from my perspective you are deep in the shit right now. You say your standard of proof is legal, fine. The legal onus is on you to prove that your apparently false claims are in fact true. There is no onus on dogbomb, youtube, or steam to prove their innocence at all.
Dwell on that fact. Let it sink in. The people and organisations you are accusing are legally innocent until proven guilty.
You are the one making the claims without any credible proof. You are the one breaking laws by defaming dogbomb, not to mention the developers of the game and everyone else you're dragging into this blinkered crusade.
You owe dogbomb a grovelling apology.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 21:11,
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"If no, apologise for bullshitting again."
"Of course I humbly apologise for bullshitting. I hope my apology inspires you to apologise to dogbomb for the malicious slander campaign you've inflicted on him."
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 21:18,
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Unbelievable.
No, wait. The other thing. Totally predictable.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 0:54,
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thread deletion in 3....2...1...
b3ta.com/links/1495874
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Tusk knows where you live, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 7:13,
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I very much like this
but there isn't a button for that
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simbosan is too tired, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 13:39,
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youtu.be/mDqsgbtpDLk
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Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 13:59,
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The perils of filming in portrait
Irish MEP thought his iPad was filming in landscape mode; didn't bother with trousers for a Zoom meeting.
Irish MEP Luke 'Ming' Flanagan caught with no trousers in EU debate
Flanagan jokes about having legs insured after mistakenly putting iPad in portrait mode for call
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da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 7:31,
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FFS wtf is wrong with people, get dressed!
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Sat 4 Jul 2020, 16:29,
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Disgusting Mobile Sploshers unit in action.
NSFW
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 3 Jul 2020, 23:40,
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Noel Edmonds is probably thrashing little Noel into a purple frenzy at that
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 14:17, Reply)
Whilst tipping custard over it.
Sploshing has to be the funniest fetish I've ever encountered.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Sat 4 Jul 2020, 16:34,
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Probably looks like a little Mr Blobby.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 19:01,
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Didn't know Hong Kong had such a catchy anthem
No wonder the commies give you ten years for singing along.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 22:44, Reply)
Indie Game Review: Enter The Gungeon
I made this!
An older, but much loved Indie Dungeon Crawler. I've been playing it a little this week, so I thought I'd finally get around to "reviewing" it.
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dogbomb, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 22:31,
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Ah yes, this means I can have more drink now
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 22:52,
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If I reply here, does it push SC's paedo posting further down the page?
...
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Invisible Wizard - 10th Level Nerf-herder, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 11:36,
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Yes
... turns out it does
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Invisible Wizard - 10th Level Nerf-herder, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 11:36,
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Nice
- now maybe I can look at Dogbomb's fun contribution to the site without having to be reminded about kiddie fiddlers.
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Invisible Wizard - 10th Level Nerf-herder, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 11:37,
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Just ignore Sockcooker
Nothing of value is lost.
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Thrill_My_Chinchilla is old and unimproved, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 12:36,
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I've quite enjoyed a few of their posts
- I just wish they'd drop this silly crusade against Dogbomb over a single comment made in what is FUCKING CLEARLY a parody game, that doesn't even feature in DB's video.
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Invisible Wizard - 10th Level Nerf-herder, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 16:09,
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What "single comment"?
I genuinely don't know what you mean.
Dogbomb has a channel called "YouBigNonce", and in September 2019, posted a video about a game which talks about "banging" a 12 year old before she is 13.
I asked him to remove it back then, and he hasn't, so I am asking him again now.
Is that a "crusade"?
I've asked for the game to be removed from Steam, and other videos about it to be removed from YouTube, but their implementation of their own rules is crap unless it's a highly-visible thing like David Icke.
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 17:20, Reply)
The single comment in the misleading and very large screenshot from someone else's video that you keep spamming.
It's good to see your claims getting smaller and less unrealistic. You're nearly there.
The game does indeed feature a character who is a paedophile, but he is not the game's protagonist, he is not a sympathetic character, and he is LITERALLY dehumanised in the game.
Steam's implementation of their own rules seems consistent from my perspective, since I know the game does not break said rules.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 19:41,
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Ha! Nice try SockCooker, I've got you sussed! ;-)
b3ta.com/links/1543151
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da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 11:41,
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No idea
Keeping links clean.
Tried having a peek, decided to not bother doing so again.
And nothing of value was lost.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 13:11,
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To be honest
it was last week sometime I peeked, I have not peeked since, but then again I don't need to from the sounds of things.
It's all much nicer.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 15:47,
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Oh FFS. Is that terminal bore back again?
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 11:55,
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Disappointing lack of gunge.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 3 Jul 2020, 22:55,
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You are Dave Benson Phillips, AICMFP.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 23:28,
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No way, I'm old school, TISWAS!
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 3 Jul 2020, 23:32,
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Paedophiles in plain sight
dogbomb's YouTube channel is "YouBigNonce".
It has a video about a paedophile game. He refuses to remove it.
Saying "I didn't know it was a paedo game" makes some sense... except... he does know now.
And has for almost a year.
.(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 0:57, Reply)
What do you expect me to do in response to this?
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Sat 4 Jul 2020, 1:07,
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It's really not complicated
dogbomb often posts reviews of games.
In Sept 2019, the game he reviewed had paedo stuff.
I've asked him to remove it. He hasn't.
I don't like channels that promote games about raping 12 year olds.
I think he should just remove it, and maybe say "sorry". I don't necessarily think he's a paedo; maybe he really didn't know it was a game about that - but it is a bit worrying that a channel called "You Big Nonce" features a game that talks about raping a kid.
YouTube and Steam - and b3ta - need to get their shit together about this type of thing. It really shouldn't be so hard to get rid of this crap.
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 1:20, Reply)
Could the game be making revolting jokes?
Little girl and a pedophile are walking into the woods.
"These woods look dark and scary" she says.
"Shut up, I've got to get back on my own.
It's funny because of the sudden, dark realisation of what he is saying.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Sat 4 Jul 2020, 1:38,
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Sure, I can accept it was an attempted bad-taste joke.
That doesn't make it OK, and doesn't mean it should remain on b3ta or YouTube or Steam.
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 1:47, Reply)
This is a website which where censorship is minimal and the owner published a book of sick jokes.
"You big nonce" is probably a geordie phrase like "you silly bugger" might be used.
Real paedophiles don't waste time posting game reviews on adult(ish) websites; Tiktok, Instagram and Minecraft would yield better results.
You didn't answer my question on the post above.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Sat 4 Jul 2020, 2:05,
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"You big nonce" is probably a geordie phrase like "you silly bugger"
Like "you nigger" is slang for you cunt,
or "you retard" is slang for you're stupid,
or "that's gay" is slang for something bad,
or "you faggot" is slang for a dickhead?
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 2:24, Reply)
You're angry all the time, it must be exhausting
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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 5:41,
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I genuinely think you have actual mental problems
You also LOVE typing those words. I assume you have your lad out again?
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 9:21,
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Isn't Sockcooker the one who got his foot chopped off then went a bit fucking loopy on the painkillers?
Either way, his behaviour reminds me a fuckload of how I used to act when I'd knock back 3 litres of Frosty Jack's and half a bottle of Vodka each night before cracking my knuckles and jumping on the internet.
It also explains the mass post deletions the following day as he awakes from his drug/alcohol induced stupor and realises what a fucking bellend he's been.
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 10:27, Reply)
Think that was fluffybunnykiller
But yeah you're right, does sound like a pissed up mental
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 10:49,
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At least I don't start on futile personal crusades.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Sat 4 Jul 2020, 16:27,
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It was a failed joke.
Based on the (very feasible) assumption that the any use of the words 'mental and pissed' must apply to me.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Sat 4 Jul 2020, 22:47,
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Thank you.
It's about time that people recognise 'nonce' as hatespeech against the LGBTP community.
They can't even get a job in a nursery thanks to society's bigotry.
#PLM!
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VicJameson : fucking internet virgins since, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 13:01,
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I don't think those words mean what you think they mean
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gaijintendo Regular Member, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 18:52,
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PPOR
You need to provide proof that the game is what you say it is, otherwise reasonable doubt favours dogbomb, youtube and Steam, not to mention all the other seemingly reasonable people who disagree with your assessment of the game, and you are super guilty of bad defamation.
Merely containing 'paedo stuff' in the context of your deliberately misleading screenshot isn't evidence in support of your argument. Family Guy, South Park, Rick & Morty, Derek & Clive, Brass Eye, these all contain 'paedo stuff' in one form or another that's more overt than the crap joke in your screenshot. None of them glorifies or normalises paedophilia.
Can you imagine the possibility that this game involves a paedophile character but does not glorify or normalise the behaviour of that character?
Under what circumstances can you imagine admitting that you are wrong?
Legitimate questions asked sincerely. Apologies for my sig.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 2:45,
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I'm sorry, I should have made myself more clear.
You need to provide actual evidence that the game is what you claimed it was last week and the week before.
To recap, you claimed that the game normalised and glorified raping children, that it was a game about raping children, that it is fundamentally a paedophile simulator. You claim that it breaks the ethical rules set by Steam (who host the game) and you claim that dogbomb's video promotes raping children, contrary to YT's standards.
Your picture, which is not a screenshot from dogbomb's video, shows one line of dialogue presented with no supporting context. It describes a paedophile who has failed to rape a child.
One could show a scene from Family Guy where Herbert the pervert tries to groom or ensnare Chris and falsely claim that Family Guy is a show about a paedophile raping a boy.
One could present any scene from Brass Eye's Paedophile Special episode and deliberately mislead someone who doesn't know better that Brass Eye is a show dedicated to promoting paedophilia.
So you must be able to see how spamming your giant screenshot, which is not actually taken from dogbomb's video, is not reasonably convincing evidence in support of your argument.
Can you imagine a hypothetical reality in which the Phucker game merely involves a paedophile character in a similar way to Family Guy or Brass Eye? Do you actually accept that it is possible to address the issue of paedophilia in a way that does not normalise or glorify paedophilia? I ask these questions sincerely and with no mocking tone.
Under what circumstances can you imagine yourself admitting that you are wrong? What standard of proof would you require? Again, these are genuine questions and I do not intend to mock you.
How would you feel if someone repeatedly and systematically slandered you with 'paedo stuff'? This is an appeal to empathy and is not intended as a threat, nor is it intended to mock you in any way.
The onus is on you to prove that dogbomb, Youtube, Steam, and seemingly everybody else in the world, are all wrong. Your context-free screenshot taken from someone else's video calls your argument and character into question. I state this as a point of fact/procedure and not as an insult.
I would appreciate replies to my questions this time. I say this with a small degree of frustration and impatience, but with no intention to insult or harm you in any way.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 4:38,
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There is a video game.
It contains dialogue describing a desire to rape a 12 year old child.
dogbomb made a video ahout that game.
He may have not known about that part of the game.
Do you dispute any of those statements?
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 4:51, Reply)
He probably even reviewed games where the characters want to murder each other. I hear young people even shoot guns in those terrible video games!
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 7:36, Reply)
There is a TV show, "Comic Strip Presents: Five Go Mad in Dorset".
It contains dialog about the desire to rape underage boys, and scenes of bestiality, incest, racism, xenophobia, and homophobia.
This video is available on the Comic Strip Youtube channel.
Isn't it possible that Phucker in the Woods is a parody, and not actually advocating paedophilia?
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Invisible Wizard - 10th Level Nerf-herder, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 7:51,
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Actually, isn't it possible that SockCooker is a parody, and not actually being so tedious about what is clearly a joke game?
Admit it - you're actually a Mr Penis sock puppet, aren't you?
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Invisible Wizard - 10th Level Nerf-herder, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 7:52,
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You didn't answer any of my questions.
I agree with you that there is indeed a video game.
It does indeed contain the dialogue that you spam here every week.
Dogbomb did indeed make a video of himself playing that game.
Dogbomb almost certainly did not know about the part of the game containing the one line of dialogue you keep spamming.
Do you accept that there is a mountain of evidence that you are fundamentally wrong about
- the nature of the game?
- the content of the game?
- how the game presents paedophilia?
Do you actually accept that it is possible to address the issue of paedophilia in a way that does not normalise or glorify paedophilia?
Under what circumstances can you imagine yourself admitting that you are wrong? What standard of proof would you require?
How would you feel if someone repeatedly and systematically slandered you with 'paedo stuff'?
The onus is on you to prove that dogbomb, Youtube, Steam, and seemingly everybody else in the world, are all wrong.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 15:44,
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You're the one who keeps posting shit about banging 12 year olds, SockCooker.
Dogbomb posted a video in which he plays a weird game that makes bizarro jokes in a parody of animé Visual Novels - and he appropriately took the piss out of it and called it "fucking weird".
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Invisible Wizard - 10th Level Nerf-herder, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 7:36,
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"Hello you big nonces"....
Like, as a casual greeting.
Is it OK to be a nonce [1] now? Is it accepted on b3ta? Is it fine to say "hey, paedophiles, here is a cool game about sex with 12 year olds"?
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 1:59, Reply)
Not every word means what you think it does, you absolute bellcrease
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographic_nonce
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 9:24,
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stop harassing people on this site
and go and get the game banned if you care that much
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 8:49, Reply)
Did you take that screenshot from another youtuber? It seems that Mr Nonce's video (which is 15:27 not 8:10 long) doesn't even contain that specific scene.
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 9:22, Reply)
His screenshot is not from any video produced by dogbomb.
It's from a different youtuber, who I assume SockCooker is slandering and abusing once a week on another website.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 14:49,
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I wouldn't have heard of this game
if you didn't post a massive screen grab every week.
Perhaps asking people to report it to Steam might be a better approach than the sealioning.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 10:22,
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Looks good.
(Love the ignore button)
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Thrill_My_Chinchilla is old and unimproved, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 3:14,
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Curiosity got the better of me
So I logged out.
Glad I'm not banging my head against that particular brick wall this week.
(though I did go back and watch playthroughs of the game in question. I'm willing to listen, learn and climb off my horse if needed.
Interestingly, the developer had posted on the comments of the playthrough and was asking if they'd managed to make Hiroshi - the guy pictured - was made reprehensible enough. You're SUPPOSED to hate him. Also he kills himself later in the game.
If anyone wants the video, and the discussion - it's here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSICdkvjkmI
Fair warning, it does contain that particular bit posted above. Thought with a little more context. You can watch the entire playthrough if you need the whole thing though. The nature of Hiroshi is alluded to much earlier, but this is the most blatant part.)
Still. Let's just take everything out of context, eh?
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dogbomb, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 11:46,
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STOP BEING REASONABLE!!
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 11:56,
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I liked the description of “a seal barking”
I’m still baffled as to what was trying to be achieved.
If the YBN video is deleted, nobody goes back through the b3ta archive anyway, there are still loads and loads of other playthroughs of that game on YouTube, including the one that keeps getting screenshots posted alongside all your other videos so free publicity. And of course the game still exists, in a form that won’t deprave anyone anyway. Absolutely bonkers.
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Thrill_My_Chinchilla is old and unimproved, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 12:47,
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Arf arf arf!!!
I wouldn't ignore a seal. They're cute. And don't post strawman arguments on the internet.
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dogbomb, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 13:01,
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I wonder if he belongs to others forums and behaves in the same way
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 13:06, Reply)
They'd have probably all kicked him out by now
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 13:09,
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He claims to have been a moderator, I assume on forums.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 14:56,
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Apart from this seemingly delusional slanderous behaviour he seems a decent fellow.
Of course I would say that because I'm trying to confuse people who think he and I are the same person.
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brb natural fistic, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 15:05,
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That “apart from” is enough for me to forego all the other links, and push him out of my “decent fellow” category
.... Schizophrenia would explain a lot though, hmmmm.
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Thrill_My_Chinchilla is old and unimproved, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 20:06,
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His outrage seems to peak at weekends.
Substance abuse is my guess.
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 20:10, Reply)
That timing is only because Dogbomb posts Friday night though
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Thrill_My_Chinchilla is old and unimproved, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 20:27,
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No need to apologise.
It was just a really, really weird episode.
(I logged out again, it’s still going on, but it’s obvious no evidence is EVER going to change SockCooker’s mind, so I’m not unignoring them)
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Thrill_My_Chinchilla is old and unimproved, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 22:47,
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As would a fuckton of alcohol sadly.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 20:11,
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I concur
I absolutely hate ignoring people, but it was affecting my mental health.
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dogbomb, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 22:29,
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*wails heroically*
A.I. Maiden - I made a bot write Iron Maiden lyrics
Using lyrics.rip to scrape the Genius Lyrics Database, I made a Markov Chain write Iron Maiden lyrics. This is the end result- "Power Gravy". All music/vocal...
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 3 Jul 2020, 22:30,
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Birdhouse In Your Soul
Might Be Giants
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artifus is doing it all wrong, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 22:18,
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I listened to Flood the other day for the first time in decades,
still remember most of the words, well done the memorable lyric writers.
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fred zeppelin II: Electric Boogaloo, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 8:44,
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They also wrote the theme to Malcolm In The Middle
And Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.
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Turquoise Hexagon Sun has just dropped acid on, Sun 5 Jul 2020, 14:01,
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Obvs.
Cyriak's video for Sparks' The Existential Threat
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2Pints , at the third stroke, it will be, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 18:55,
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Well that's a fucking masterpiece
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 20:02,
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High Winds in the Reedbeds (4'06")
I made this!
coincidentally a popular local dogging hotspot (BYO waders)
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fred zeppelin II: Electric Boogaloo, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 18:32,
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Thank you
but there are 27 Ninjas in there, really good Ninjas. Dogging Ninjas. In waders.
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fred zeppelin II: Electric Boogaloo, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 18:59,
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Oh, not 'Monkey' Labour. Actual 'monkey labour'. Took me a moment.
UK PM's fiancée urges more shops to ban coconut products from monkey labour
Prime Minister Boris Johnson's fiancée Carrie Symonds on Friday welcomed pledges by four British retailers to stop selling coconut products that use monkey labour in their production, and urged others to do the same.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 18:20, Reply)
Carrie Symonds's publicist has friend at Reuters, hold the front page.
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brb natural fistic, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 19:05,
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OH! Won't somebody please think of the childr...er monkeys
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I F Hobo then {steal bindle}, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 20:09,
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It's OK
once the monkeys are banned from doing it, kids will have full employment again.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 21:08,
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Guess we wond be seeing Monkey Tennis, on the telly, any time soon.
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MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 9:15,
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Activity 'increases' at dogging hotspot
“Even as a gay man, I find it quite offensive.”
Sex 'has increased' at notorious dogging hotspot during lockdown
Activity at the Barrow Wake Viewpoint near Birdlip prompts fear of spread of COVID-19 and complaints about antisocial behaviour
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 17:06, Reply)
Is the a police dogging?
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 17:49,
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Are we headed for a Grand Solar Minimum?
potholer54 dissects and debunks some more climate change denier bullshit.
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brb natural fistic, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 16:30,
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I not really fussed about climate change sceptics/deniers.
They're quite clearly wrong, but they aren't really causing much harm (unless you count feelings). There's far too much time and energy spent on trying to prove them wrong. You might win a few hearts and minds, but at the end of the day, you're not going to reason somebody out of something they reason themselves into.
If anything, the last couple of months should be a pretty stark reminder of how fucking self-centred we are as a species. We're perfectly happy to follow the rules as long as there's an immediate and fairly probably threat of death of we don't. But as soon as the danger isn't so imminent, we're flocking out in our thousands to beaches and shopping centres because it's nicer than staying indoors.
No matter how hard some folk might campaign for us to live a greener, more planet-friendly lifestyle, most of us won't, because it's more expensive, more difficult and less fun. The threat of death from our unsustainable lifestyles isn't imminent. Most of the people alive right now will be dead before global oil reserves run critically low and we nuke ourselves back into the dark ages fighting over the last few thousand barrels.
By the time that threat is imminent, it'll be far too late to change. It already is, really. The massive reduction in Carbon Dioxide/Nitrogen levels over China in the early weeks of the lockdown shows that potentially we do have time to make a change. It's just not in society's perceived interests to do what's best for the greater population when it means a higher level of personal discomfort.
It's a bit of a shame that the recent Coronavirus didn't take a bigger chunk out of the global population. That would have bought us a few years and perhaps drilled it into society's head that there are simply too many of us greedy cunts to be sustainable long-term. Because, realistically, the only way we're going to stop or reverse the damage we're doing is by dropping the Planets population back to nearer where we were in the 50's or 60's. And even those numbers would be optimistic.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 18:58, Reply)
Re: your last sentence
Recently came across this overpopulation-project.com/overshoot-day-the-other-side-of-the-coin/
Unfortunately pointing out that human overpopulation is a real threat to biodiversity is now considered racist by some environmentalists.
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 19:14,
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Those particular Environmentalists are significantly more damaging than any number of climate change deniers could be.
They're usually the same Environmentalists that join Extinction Rebellion protests and sit outside government buildings breastfeeding their third child and absolutely refuse to accept that the ecological cost of having one child is greater than they could ever hope to scrape back through a lifetime of environmentally friendly living.
I completely understand that for the majority, the instinctual drive to reproduce is overwhelming. You'd be far more likely to convince most people to go entirely vegan, ditch their cars and wipe their arses with a reusable cloth than you would be to convince them to never have children. But these cunts who stand on their soapboxes and lecture the public about climate change before driving home in their Range Rover with their three kids in tow are hypocritical cunts of the highest order. And those cunts make up an awful lot of these Environmentalist groups.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 19:35, Reply)
I'm with you on the Range Rover environmentalists.
I'm a great believer in fixing your own shit first before lecturing others.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 3 Jul 2020, 19:49,
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I live next door to one
They drive a 4x4 in a city, have three kids, and last year put a massive extension on their house.
But it's OK, they also put an extinction rebellion postcard in their front window which negates all of that.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 21:16,
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Extinction Rebellion are the absolute fucking worst for that kind of shit.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 21:19, Reply)
Unfortunately the norm
Just hope they buy a
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Sat 4 Jul 2020, 1:02,
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Surely it is dependent on whether they only refer to other races.
Saying there are too many people everywhere, cannot be.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 3 Jul 2020, 19:46,
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It doesn't need to be rational.
"There's loads of people in China and India, what you're basically saying is there are too many Asians. RACIST".
Never mind that ten years ago there were some perfectly good green fields and a lovely woodland walk down the road which has now been flattened, tarmacked, and turned into a development of affordable homes because we're all living too long and making children too soon to reuse the homes that have already been built.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 19:59, Reply)
Ordnance Survey data suggests
that all the buildings in the UK - houses, shops, offices, factories, greenhouses - cover 1.4% of the total land surface. Looking at England alone, the figure still rises to only 2%.
Buildings cover less of Britain than the land revealed when the tide goes out.
The complaint that vast swathes of our landscape have been "concreted over" doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
But don't let me stop you. You were complaining about the people who let emotion, not rationality, guide their thoughts.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 21:21,
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It's actually closer to 7.5%
When you include things like Roads, Industrial and Leisure developments. Granted, that still doesn't seem like much on paper, but most people live in an area where the immediate availability of green space is significantly lower than that, and is only shrinking as occupancy expands. It'd be interesting to see a comparison against numbers in the 70's or 80's.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 21:47, Reply)
Well 2% of that 'developed land' in England is just golf courses
That would be a 'leasure development' which is over a quarter of that 7.5%.
Just golf courses.
Want to complain about something?
Complain about that, not houses.
We could double the housing in England and all we would have to do is use the golf courses and nothing else.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 15:52,
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You need to take into account land used for food production
The percentage is much higher
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 9:56,
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I disagree with your comment about climate change deniers.
They help to reinforce a mindset that experts are not worth listening to and give some creedence to doubters who support political attempts to continue as normal.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 3 Jul 2020, 19:41,
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Even if people listen to the experts.
We'll continue as normal anyway, though. Because as a species we're inherently selfish. Not enough of us are prepared to do what's needed to make a difference, because we're all expecting the folk next door to do it.
If we want to see a change, it means the vast majority of folk making significant alterations to how they live. We just aren't prepared to make those changes when we aren't going to see a direct or immediate benefit. Look at all the single occupant cars you see on the road during rush hour. Carpooling would benefit the environment and the driver's bank balance. But it rarely happens because it's not as convenient as hopping in the car and going.
I'm not saying that the advice from the experts is redundant. Of course it's not. But for the most part, people only voluntarily make changes when those changes benefit them. We're not particularly fond of sacrifice.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 19:55, Reply)
"reinforce a mindset that experts are not worth listening to"
Isn't that Micheal Gove?
Although in fairness he did use it as reasoning to not continue as normal and instead take a massive leap backwards.
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 21:26,
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I disagree with most of what you say.
Climate deniers are causing harm, especially the ones who own/operate newspapers, TV networks, political parties, government agencies, etc.
You CAN reason someone out of something they reasoned themselves into. The saying goes that you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. /pedantry
The idea that number of humans is the biggest driver of climate change is a red herring. Your calculation only works if we assume technology halted in 1950, and that the world can only maintain a certain number being as naturally wasteful and inefficient as our ancestors.
But there isn't really a single industry that has not improved in efficiency over the last century. Clearly, as time progresses we learn to do more work with less energy. With increasing efficiency for all, each persons environmental footprint gets smaller. We can therefore afford an increasingly large population for the same environmental cost.
The idea that the present human population is unsustainable is dangerously wrong. Countries that demanded living space in the great wars of the 20th century now have smaller countries supporting larger populations enjoying a significantly higher quality of life. That is the real trend the world over - there are more of us, living longer, better lives than ever before.
Technology will save us. Mining will start to move off-world, probably within the first half of this century. Nuclear fusion (probably arriving around the same time) will be a massive change for the better. Plastic recycling will continue to improve in efficiency and profitability. Dinosaur juice will be taxed to the extreme and CO2 will be extracted from the air to make rocket fuel, much of which will leave the planet entirely.
The future is a happy place.
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brb natural fistic, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 19:43,
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This may be a set of believable trends, assuming everyone plays ball.
On the other hand it smacks of littering because 'someone else will pick it up eventually'.
We are also going to struggle to recreate complex ecosystems.
Predicting the far future has a terrible track record, I'm still waiting for the free electricity promised in the sixties.
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 3 Jul 2020, 20:01,
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Speaking of littering.
We've already fucked space in that regard. And only a few of us bloody live there, so far!
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 20:03, Reply)
We have not fucked space.
99.999999% of everything we've chucked up there is in LEO and will drag back down within tens to hundreds of years. There are a few things up there that could last a few millennia before turning to dust, but I don't count that as rubbish or littering. I'm quite proud that there are bags of human shit and piss on the moon, and I'm quite entertained by the idea that those bags will be holy relics one day.
If you think we've fucked space by launching RTGs or nuclear reactors, cosmic rays and solar radiation are the hurricane to our gnat fart in that respect.
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brb natural fistic, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 20:54,
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By that logic, we shouldn't really worry too much about our current ecological impact on Earth because of earthquakes and volcanoes...
And on the subject of space debris: Is that an issue that's going to become significantly worse or significantly better once the Moon becomes a commercially viable source of consumables?
Assuming anyone survives the massive fucking war that will take place establishing ownership of the single most profitable resource in the solar system...
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 21:18, Reply)
No, because we have a measurable effect on our closed(ish) system. Space is effectively infinite, and we have not added to the sum of lethal radiation by sending an RTG powered probe to a gas giant where natural radiation levels are exponentially higher.
There shouldn't be much litter resulting from space launches from the Moon for a few reasons
1: Single Stage To Orbit is the standard launch model from the surface of the moon. This means you don't need to throw away stages, fuel tanks, decouplers, o-rings and whatever.
2: Assuming we are going there to stay, we shan't be throwing bags of piss and shit away any more. That's all getting recycled.
3: Assuming reusability and environmentalism are here to stay, rockets will continue to be less wasteful - e.g. SpaceX's Falcon fairings are becoming increasingly reusable, and SpaceX's ITS/BFR/Starship system could even do away with a lot of the 'littering' that you see in falcon launches because they have cargo bays integrated with the 2nd stage, which will generally speaking return to Earth or stay put on the moon or Mars.
I'm with Zubrin - humans are the most profitable resource in the solar system.
But even if you're purely talking about precious metals, the moon is a barren desert compared to the asteroid belt. And if you only want fuel, the methane lakes of Titan are somewhat more appealing than the wisps of hydrogen found in lunar regolith.
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brb natural fistic, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 21:48,
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On point 2.
You assume that we won't be throwing bags of piss and shit away. But what about materials that aren't so readily recyclable? If launching rubbish into space was commercially viable, we'd already be doing it and reassuring the people of Earth that it'll all burn up when it hits the Sun. On the Moon, launching our detritus into space might end up being a realistic prospect.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 21:56, Reply)
The moon has no atmosphere for anything to burn up in.
To reach the sun, you'd need to cancel out all of Earth's orbital speed (averaging at 29.78 km/s that's a lot of delta-v), or utilise some clever cosmic billiards to reverse slingshot your velocity down low enough to spend the last of your fuel on the last few hundred m/s needed to deorbit into the sun. Not worth it, even if you could make fusion powered ships.
You could just launch your rubbish into a nice long suborbital ballistic trajectory and let it burn up like that. An incinerator would always be safer, and I expect a lot more efficient than using a Starship as a garbage scow.
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brb natural fistic, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 22:19,
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You could just send Sockcookers mum up to eat it all
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 9:27,
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If we're not in such dire need of living space, why all the new homes?
And who’s permission do we seek to mine the moon once we develop the technology to do it efficiently? Have we decided who owns it, yet?
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 20:02, Reply)
You joke.
But in the 1970's the Clangers had already built a self sustaining moon colony, developed optics advanced enough to clearly observe human behaviour on earth on a person by person basis and constructed a fully self-aware robot chicken.
Understandably, they kept their defensive and military capabilities under wraps, but considering the advancements in technology they were openly demonstrating 50 years ago, it's safe to say that they'd be a considerable adversary in the 21st century. At the very least, I'd imagine they'd have a fully developed arsenal of Neutron Bombs and Gauss cannons.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 20:32, Reply)
Luckily the chicken relocated to the US and had a comedy career.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=mb23xZI3AWc
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FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Fri 3 Jul 2020, 20:51,
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'Living space' was a concept used to justify invading other countries and ethnic cleansing.
You're confusing it with the housing market, which is a much duller subject.
Trump has been doing his executive order shit wrt off-world mining rights, but I don't think they count for much internationally. There are lobbyists trying to get things codified in international law to establish prospecting rights but it's all quite vague and nebulous right now.
As China's interest in space grows I think we'll see the international community react faster with treaties and legislation. It will probably take China, Russia or the USA to just start mining the moon to force the issue.
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brb natural fistic, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 21:10,
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I'm not confusing anything. The housing market exists because there is demand.
These houses aren't staying empty. The excuses people historically used for invading other countries is completely irrelevant in this context.
We need more houses because our parents' houses are still inhabited by our parents at the time we generally decide to start our own family. These new builds don't lie empty. Christ, I live in one of the most sparsely populated areas of the UK, and there are people camping in the streets of new builds just to get a chance of a place on the waiting list.
We're having too many children at too young an age and then living too long. You can make any argument you like about other contributing factors to climate change, but that's what it all boils down to.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 21:27, Reply)
You are continuing to confuse the concept of 'living space' (a rationale for invading other countries and ethnic cleansing) with public housing.
I for one am not impressed.
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brb natural fistic, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 21:53,
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Improvement in technology has so far failed to cancel out the catastrophic effect of human population size on biodiversity. Two billion people on the planet will do less damage, with speedy boarding for everyone.
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 21:37,
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I hope technology will ultimately reverse downward trends in biodiversity. Through genetic engineering, nanotechnology, robotics and AI, and ultimatelly by seeding the galaxy with new life.
We are the only mass extinction event in history that is aware that it's a mass extinction event. The comet that did for the dinosaurs didn't even know what a planet is. We've got this.
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brb natural fistic, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 22:01,
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We have no time
I'm sure that, without time constraints, we would ultimately find the technological solutions to the problem (whether we transition to a socially just world at the same time is another matter entirely)
BUT - and it's a big but, I cannot lie - you seem to be totally unaware of the time constraints. The UNEP Emissions Gap Report 2019 demonstrates that we have until 2030 to be on the right trajectory to have a good chance of limiting global temperature increase to 1.5degC. Nuclear fusion by 2050 is too late. What your statement about plastic recycling has to do with it, I don't know. The idea of governments taxing oil to the hilt seems wildly optimistic as we see the world tilting ever closer to neoliberalism and global capitalism. Carbon capture and storage seems to be the 'get out of jail free' card that people play because they realise we can't live our current lifestyles whilst simply reducing the associated emissions - however, it's an unproven technology and 'one hell of a gamble' - to quote Kevin Anderson, a leading climate scientist. He also said,
“Many say that such rapid and deep change is unrealistic – but it’s much more realistic than believing a fair and progressive society can survive with 3, 4 or even 5C of warming,”
(, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 11:11, Reply)
Not everyone was stupid with Covid 19
When you say We, you mean the spoilt and entitled, like Britain. The UK was never going to do what was necessary for Covid19. We don't trust the government, have lerned to believe we are always right by right. Other nations were worse, like the US. But Denmark, Norway, Germany and Finland listened to their informed leaders and stayed put. Now they can emerge without the issues the US is getting.
I live in China, and everyone immediately locked down. Not because they were afraid of the authorities, but because they trusted it was the right think to do, and remembering SARS.
The irony is I am homesick for the UK now, and it's the last place I should want to be(pubs still closed). You muppets screwed it up. We stayed locked down, and I mean locked down, stay in the house, do not leave except to pick up deliveries at the gate, for 6 weeks. When I told my sister she said "I'd rather die". Careful what you wish for, silly tart.
China is open again. Pubs are open again. Everythong is open, except the boarders, because you are a bunch of muppets.
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jagwap, Sat 4 Jul 2020, 9:52,
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Have you considered...
'No matter how hard some folk might campaign for us to live a greener, more planet-friendly lifestyle, most of us won't, because it's more expensive, more difficult and less fun. '
Imagine how much more expensive, difficult and less fun it'll be once global temperatures have risen 2/3/4/5degC!
'Most of the people alive right now will be dead before global oil reserves run critically low'
Global oil reserves aren't the limiting factor - the deterioration of global climate is, which will come far sooner.
'The massive reduction in Carbon Dioxide/Nitrogen levels over China in the early weeks of the lockdown shows that potentially we do have time to make a change.'
We do still have time to make changes - but let's be clear about the scale of the challenge at hand. Reductions in daily global CO2 emissions during lockdown were around 17%, but we need to have reduced projected 2030 global carbon emissions by over 50% to have a decent chance of limiting global temperature increase to 1.5degC. The consequences of missing that and hitting 2degC is pretty catastrophic, let alone 3/4/5degC.
'It's just not in society's perceived interests to do what's best for the greater population when it means a higher level of personal discomfort.'
Again, society needs to realise that the consequences of not taking action are far, far, far, far, far worse than the compromises required to limit global temperature increase to 1.5degC.
'Because, realistically, the only way we're going to stop or reverse the damage we're doing is by dropping the Planets population back to nearer where we were in the 50's or 60's.'
Global population is a really important topic; the way to manage it is via the empowerment of women. However, consider that the top 10% of wealthiest people in the world generate almost half of all global emissions. If you limited the emissions of the top 10% to that of an average EU28 citizen, we'd reduce global emissions by a third. Saying its someone else's problem is ignorant - wilful or otherwise.
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Donald Trump called out on his handling of the virus.
A rigorous interview and the POTUS's response.
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da5id <YOUR SIG HERE>, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 13:47,
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They did this on Jimmy Kimmel* about 2 months** ago.
*It could have been another late night Jimmy
**It could have been longer ago or more recently, I have lost all sense of time.
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brb natural fistic, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 13:54,
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Well, I for one...
...don't watch late night Jimmys.
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Fri 3 Jul 2020, 15:15,
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Really?
You don't want to sit and watch celebrities self indulgently wank over how interesting their lives careers are while the host verbally spoons vaseline up their arse before sliding in the odd wacky quip about something hilariously embarrassing that happened before they were famous? Why not?!
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 15:32, Reply)
Don't fret Mr P,
I'm sure you'll be invited on one of them as a guest one day.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 16:04, Reply)
My last television appearance didn't go so well.
I'm pretty content living in obscurity, for now. Not so much of a conversationalist or a people person as I was in my heady drinking days.
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I was referring to the caller on the infamous 5 Star interview
rather than whoever the fuck the apparently more famous one is.
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brb natural fistic, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 16:49,
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I'd have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddling old bat.
(, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 16:28, Reply)
I know what that really means but
I always read it as 'And I Cream My Fucking Pants'
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My Name was saying these words inside your head on, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 17:52,
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I like the monologues and the political interviews.
I watch almost none of the celebrity interviews. Never heard of most of them anyway.
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brb natural fistic, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 16:46,
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It was always the bit in Top Gear that you could go for a slash or put the kettle on.
"And now it's time to put a star in our..."
"Nah."
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 17:40,
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I have never watched an entire episode of Top Gear.
Closest I came was maybe 10 minutes of one hosted by Quentin Wilson. He was driving a car and talking about the car he was driving. I didn't like it.
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brb natural fistic, Fri 3 Jul 2020, 18:11,
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