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(0800221155 Coldseal windows, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:27, archived)

that filthy mouse

he's copping a feel of that underage girl

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gazz, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:28, archived)

Apparently she "just turned 18"

Ohh, those russians!

(0800221155 Coldseal windows, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:29, archived)

oh really?

ahem...

link?

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gazz, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:30, archived)

I'll have a look

edit/ the photo i used there says "www.mashaworld.com". I'm not sure how to get to that particular bunch of pictures

(0800221155 Coldseal windows, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:32, archived)

nevermind

woo to your planets though

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gazz, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:35, archived)

dont forget

nsfw

(bumshot, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 9:06, archived)

Nice reflection work!

I cannot help but think the planet behind looks like spict brains though!! :0)

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bennyhillslovechild, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:28, archived)

see the same planet

here and here. Any better?

I did very little reflection work; she was sitting with her back to a mirror

(0800221155 Coldseal windows, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:30, archived)

Nice work!

I like those space scenes. Shame you cheated on the mirror though! I was about to award you extra points!

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bennyhillslovechild, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:32, archived)

heh, thanks

I was intending to try and 'shop her clothes into something space-agey, but decided it's too early in the morning

(0800221155 Coldseal windows, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:42, archived)

...looks a bit like my sister

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abandonnship, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:31, archived)

Picture please....

Of you and her. With baby oil. A cucumber. One thong between you, and perhaps a small confused spaniel. Soon as you like.

I'm thinking a tangerine would help the picture too.

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bennyhillslovechild, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:33, archived)

She's 13

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abandonnship, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:35, archived)

they grow up so quick though

/keeps forgetting his age

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AgentMuu hentai coordination, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:36, archived)

All my uni friends

fancy her
it's a bit creepy

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abandonnship, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:40, archived)

you're just jealous!

(0800221155 Coldseal windows, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:42, archived)

I would be

if she were older

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abandonnship, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:43, archived)

why?

(0800221155 Coldseal windows, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:46, archived)

erm, I'm not exactly sure

the fact that she's 13 lessens the blow a bit

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abandonnship, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:48, archived)

Your point being??

All the fwapping was going to be done over you. She was just going to be added scenery.

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bennyhillslovechild, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:38, archived)

Oh, well in that case...

*goes off to find baby oil*

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abandonnship, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:42, archived)

Wait a minute

how can she be 13 if you were 2 or 3 when you hit her with a bat?

(0800221155 Coldseal windows, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:48, archived)

She was 2 or 3

I was... 7 or 8 that means

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abandonnship, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:49, archived)

*shakes sleep from eyes*

(0800221155 Coldseal windows, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:49, archived)

launched

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tweaknik, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:56, archived)

hooray!

extreme see saw :)

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eclectech is older but no wiser, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:57, archived)

ooh!

(JahDrop "No care for you, no care for me"-Bob Marley, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:59, archived)

yay for seesaws!

/edit: and woo as always, lovely work tweaknik

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AgentMuu hentai coordination, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:28, archived)

hahahahaha!

that is wonderful

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eclectech is older but no wiser, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:29, archived)

Awwwwwwww!

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Rev. Cleo still alive, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:01, archived)

better hope she comes back, nice animation btw

(JahDrop "No care for you, no care for me"-Bob Marley, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:03, archived)

*clicks 'I like this' 47 times...*

nuff said about Tweaknik's greatness...

/runs

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kitaro is all, like, "Nifty Biscuits" 'n that..., Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:05, archived)

Lovely.

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Trinosaur, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:19, archived)

oo you should have it

so one half is at the bottom of all the replies and the top is in your post

(Calmallama Is keeping this short and sweet, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:34, archived)

Boiing

Woo!

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broadsword now that's fresh, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:54, archived)

one more present to deliver and he's done

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eclectech is older but no wiser, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:55, archived)

christmas penguin

(JahDrop "No care for you, no care for me"-Bob Marley, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:56, archived)

hehe

nice, i think the pope has a hat like that.

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tweaknik, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:57, archived)

It's for religious purposes.

Supposedly they wore them in the middle ages.

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Rev. Cleo still alive, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:01, archived)

haha. Smashing penguins in Christmas pope hats.

I knew you would not let me down, there had to be penguins for Xmas.

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Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:01, archived)

'ning sir :)

How's teh missus?

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Jessie © needs pirate name suggestions, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:03, archived)

How would I know?

She's done nothing but glare at me all evening. I might have been too drunk last night. Ak well. 'ning to you too.

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Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:05, archived)

\o/ Yay for pissing off the significant others \o/

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Jessie © needs pirate name suggestions, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:07, archived)

she went to bed with nary a word.

Never mind, her feet are fucking freezing anyway. I'll just stay up drinking to avoid them.

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Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:08, archived)

What's your poison?

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Jessie © needs pirate name suggestions, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:09, archived)

did i keep you up too late

with the ~~bumsex~~ MSN?

EDIT: errr, meant for zoot

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Snorty McBumhole YouTube.com/MinistryOfGeeks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:12, archived)

haha

nope, it was the case of Stella that kept me up until gone 7am this morning.

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Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:14, archived)

I'm drinking a rather

fetching South African columbard chardonnay.

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Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:14, archived)

I'm drinking white lightning.

It's what all the posh people drink you know.

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bennyhillslovechild, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:23, archived)

i was quite alarmed to realise

i hadn't made a festive penguin yet this year... he's rushing to meet these guys :)

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eclectech is older but no wiser, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:26, archived)

haha

super. I think I might just spend all day tomorrow chopping out snippets from 'March of the Penguins' and see what I can come up with!

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Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:30, archived)

hahaha

Fantastic!

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bennyhillslovechild, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:10, archived)

This is so amazingly cute

...it may well be illegal

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Jessie © needs pirate name suggestions, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:11, archived)

Is it a fish?

I hope it's a fish!

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Mystery_Bob, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:14, archived)

i was thinking it's the wrong shape

but i reckon it's actually a whole box full of fish

and i must away, so night all and have a good Christmas :)

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eclectech is older but no wiser, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:29, archived)

hull?

My DevArt

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Snorty McBumhole YouTube.com/MinistryOfGeeks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:39, archived)

2nd button from the right *hard*

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Neon Blue Ah ha ha haa! I feel positively capital!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:40, archived)

*hugs*

thank you :D

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Snorty McBumhole YouTube.com/MinistryOfGeeks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:41, archived)

best you will get

I drank too much

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Neon Blue Ah ha ha haa! I feel positively capital!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:42, archived)

the more incoherent you are

the more compliant you will be ;)

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Snorty McBumhole YouTube.com/MinistryOfGeeks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:43, archived)

not really

I turned down a lady tonight with a 'fucking fat arse' because I am tired*

*fucking stupid

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Neon Blue Ah ha ha haa! I feel positively capital!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:46, archived)

Delete?

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Mystery_Bob, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:54, archived)

Pffffffffffffft.

But don't they advertise "tingle" stuff?

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Rev. Cleo still alive, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:41, archived)

that will come after they've released the "ribbed" version

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Snorty McBumhole YouTube.com/MinistryOfGeeks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:42, archived)

(joeyramoney oily yellow discharge, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:36, archived)

these are shite

plays on words that any student union comedian could have picked up on

EDIT: read you fucking comments you hit and run paint masher

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Neon Blue Ah ha ha haa! I feel positively capital!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:39, archived)

GET TO FUCK YOU CUNT!

let him do what he wants.

this is an open board, I have been mildly amused by these pictures which is more than I usually do,

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GrandmaOfShoes, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:47, archived)

steady on love

it is just a paint mash, and surely they could be posted as a lump instead of thread waste

/person opinion may not be the same as the Grandma of Shoes

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Neon Blue Ah ha ha haa! I feel positively capital!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:49, archived)

sorry I'm just grumpy

to be honest I've seen worse fill the board, and it's 10 to 3 in the morning it's not like a surge is about to come for another half hour

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GrandmaOfShoes, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:50, archived)

ok but if it is

a free board then I have a right to my opinion

have my crowning glory so far:

for you g of s

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Neon Blue Ah ha ha haa! I feel positively capital!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:53, archived)

yep.

that masterpiece CERYTAINLY qualifies you to give critique to others.
Leave the lad alone, he's just trying to post something that he made. that's all that matters. Jokes are better than technique right?

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Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:03, archived)

If you don't like the pictures

then crack open the image manipulation software of your choice and show us all how it should be done then.

They made me laugh and that's all it's about really.

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Mystery_Bob, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:53, archived)

I broke my wrist

I can not use anthing that requires movement of my right hand

/too much of a spack to use the left

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Neon Blue Ah ha ha haa! I feel positively capital!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:55, archived)

TREE AND A TURD!

I can't get over it. Tree turd math.

_{_WOO}

Oops. Wrong thread. :(

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cowcat Bituminous squeegee, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:49, archived)

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amoebaboy chose for death by unga bunga on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:29, archived)

he's the fucking urban doodah right!

Muuuuugatuuuuuuuuuu.... mashitup for us and let's make a full vid of this baby! w00!

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mr horrible up yours, dickface, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:30, archived)

mugatu has gone away for christmas

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amoebaboy chose for death by unga bunga on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:31, archived)

Things start to look up for timmy

(resistanceisfutile, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:25, archived)

Ha ha ha ha ha

Like a Val Doonican Christmas Special but without teh cardigans

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:29, archived)

these bite mate

sorry

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Neon Blue Ah ha ha haa! I feel positively capital!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:34, archived)

Is B3tards down or do I have to re-post my pics?

Just wondering

Edit: Can't be fucked with pea-roasting right now

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:14, archived)

hmm

looks like b3tards aint workin

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:16, archived)

That's what I thought

But best to check- they have been there for a few months and I know they occasionally dump them

Edit: Not that they are much fuckin use in the first place.

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:19, archived)

ukdragon doesn't seem to be working either

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AgentMuu hentai coordination, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:18, archived)

I don't use UK Dragon

So I know nothing about that- if I was at work I would log in to an ISP admin site and try to find out- but I'm not, so screw it.

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:23, archived)

it's just come back

for me, anyway

g'night all

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thirsty a rare visitor these days, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:22, archived)

Yeah

Looks like it is in the process of doing- but as yet uncompleted.

Goodnight anyways,

xxxxxxxxx

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:25, archived)

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Shuya Nanahara Sayonara, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:25, archived)

did you go somewhere?

I demand to be informed!

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Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:30, archived)

I've caned a full bottle of red wine

in 3 hours. Does that inform you?

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mr horrible up yours, dickface, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:31, archived)

I was leaving this place

I got fucked off about so much. Then I thought fuck it, why should I leave on account of certain people who don't like me...etc

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Shuya Nanahara Sayonara, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:31, archived)

cunt off, you rectum!

I hope you are in better spirits than yer bro ia tonight.

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mr horrible up yours, dickface, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:32, archived)

I was just talking to him

He seemed fine..but left me just now in an odd way.

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Shuya Nanahara Sayonara, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:33, archived)

he's not a happy bunny

I'm going to try and make sure of a bar appointment Boxing Day.

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mr horrible up yours, dickface, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:34, archived)

I rarely speak to him

apart from on here. You'll know more than I.

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Shuya Nanahara Sayonara, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:35, archived)

you on msn?

email in profile etc....

or AIm / Yahoo etc

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mr horrible up yours, dickface, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:37, archived)

My profile is gone. I was leaving.

Stick something in yours and I'll get back to you on msn ;)

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Shuya Nanahara Sayonara, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:38, archived)

nah, stick around

bang me yer msn to the yahoo thing, I'll check it in a few mins. My msn is my real name and "real" address :S

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mr horrible up yours, dickface, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:40, archived)

I took your yahoo thing but it isn't online

Add [email protected] to msn

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Shuya Nanahara Sayonara, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:41, archived)

Hey if people let the cunts

( few that they are ) bully them into leaving then the place would be empty barring one or two idiots from over the pond.
Don't let a little thing like a moron acting like a five year old and saying nasty things on the interweb bother you. Just remind them how much of a cunt they are being. Works for me.
Mr horrible hated my guts at first and even he knows I'm nice and cuddly now ;)
oh and 'ning horrible. I'm quite sober now. Had half a bottle of chardonnay and will probably finish it. Was drunk as a fermented monkey last night. Stayed in bed all day.

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Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:59, archived)

Nah man

You're one of the people I love on here. It's good to see you. And I won't let the cunts grind me down ;)

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Shuya Nanahara Sayonara, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:15, archived)

Timmy couldn't make up his mind with this one

(resistanceisfutile, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:03, archived)

which one's timmy??

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:05, archived)

the tree?

(just_steve, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:07, archived)

hopefully

timmy is such a nice name for a tree

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:10, archived)

wahay

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:06, archived)

i can do it too

(deleted, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 3:38, archived)

lmfao

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deject one time dreamt that he was involutarily digesting, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 6:01, archived)

Have some seasonal maths

works better in a bad irish accent; © Shirley Bindun

(after del_ctrl_alt's post down there \|/ somewhere)

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thirsty a rare visitor these days, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:37, archived)

this post

confuses me

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:41, archived)

me too

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:44, archived)

10 divided by 3 = 3.3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333

3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
3333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 etc

unless you mean that 'tree point poo times 3 = 10, which in irish is tree and a turd, which means I WIN'

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:44, archived)

Well

you missed a three.

Waha for drunkeness

(Johnny2 Harrumph!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:45, archived)

actually

its 3 1/3 to be precise

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:45, archived)

well, yes

but where does it say that in the above post?

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:46, archived)

X = a Christmas tree

X * 3 = 10

therefore X = 3.3 recurring

/edit: Damn too late

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Dr. Strange Now Fully ISO 3103 Compliant!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:45, archived)

Poo sticks

with enormous nobs for all then

and a trifle

AND HOLLY

never forget holly

(Johnny2 Harrumph!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:47, archived)

Tree and a turd,

you non-Irish thickos.

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Trinosaur, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:45, archived)

You win

the rest of this jaffa cake

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thirsty a rare visitor these days, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:46, archived)

aaah

it all becomes horribly clear

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:47, archived)

oh god

*hits self*

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:47, archived)

hahaha..

you got it!

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:51, archived)

I think multimap are slightly anti-irish

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Dr. Strange Now Fully ISO 3103 Compliant!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:52, archived)

Whereas Google have some funny ideas about the shape of the world.

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Trinosaur, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:54, archived)

AHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGG

we have been lied to all this time

there are parallel universes everywhere

should it be "universi"?

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Dr. Strange Now Fully ISO 3103 Compliant!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:57, archived)

oh god

two americas?!

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Arsonade is saving up for a new box of hummus, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:09, archived)

for some reason, i clicked that link and looked for racist comments

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:02, archived)

you think that's bad

the bbc seem to really hate niger...

newssearch.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?scope=newsukfs&tab=news&q=wank&go.x=0&go.y=0&go=go

*edit* forgot to post the link!

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:02, archived)

Is it something clever

to do with logarithms?

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Mystery_Bob, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:46, archived)

everythings

to do with logarithms these days

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:48, archived)

except

Golgarythms. They're just mad.

(Johnny2 Harrumph!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:50, archived)

you just reminded me

why i don't miss having to do maths.

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:49, archived)

Deary deary me...

It's quite simple. There's a tree. There's a turd. Thus, Tree and a turd + tree and a turd + tree and a turd = 10.

I *am* Einstein re-incarnate, and I claim my £5.

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darksartago, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:32, archived)

NSFW

sorry

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Dr. Strange Now Fully ISO 3103 Compliant!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:36, archived)

its christopher walken

its always safe

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:38, archived)

christopher walken

looking like malfoy from harry potter...

(UltimateStoat thanks you for helping him help you help us all, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:40, archived)

i couldnt give a badgers cunt about harry potter. havnt read it or seen it

the woman sold her soul to satan!

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:43, archived)

i haven't read books 5 or 6

but i LOVE those t-shirts that say in bold letters, "dumbledore dies on page 3##" (can't remember the precise page number)

its so beautifully rude

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AgentMuu hentai coordination, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:45, archived)

Either are clowns, unless you work in a circus

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The Duke of Prunes, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:41, archived)

I have the laughter of those clowns

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mr horrible up yours, dickface, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:49, archived)

it is to laugh

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thirsty a rare visitor these days, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:52, archived)

I find this

both scary and confusing

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Dr. Strange Now Fully ISO 3103 Compliant!, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:54, archived)

thats amazing!

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:56, archived)

(Limpy713 Thu 21 Nov, 15:59, Tues 1 Oct, 05:22, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:20, archived)

Rather than waste a thread

The image is there purely besause I am posting. Question is- I want to learn more about how to animate- what software (preferably free- or at least very cheap) should I be looking for? Also where do I find it?

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:34, archived)

illegally...

if your net is speedy try looking on a torrent site for photoshop and imageready. or even flash. the net is littered with tutorials for them.

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:36, archived)

everythings free on the internet :D

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:37, archived)

Thanks

I already have Photoshop- it's just that if I open a .gif it loses the animation. I'm looking for something very basic to make the fuckers move- even if it's very jumpy and a frame by frame sort of thing- sorry if that doesn't make a lot of sense

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:38, archived)

image ready should come with photoshop. its the little button at the bottom of the tool bar

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:39, archived)

Aha!

Thanks very much- never used Imageready- thought it was something to do with photo albums!

Apologises for earlier insult!

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:44, archived)

no appologies for earlier link

image ready can take a wee bit of getting used to by the way...

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:46, archived)

I didn't link to that!

Have learned enough to check URL first! Last time I got caught out was last week when I was looking for original goatse image

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:50, archived)

image ready

scares the shit out of me so i hide behind flash5 instead

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:51, archived)

hmm

www.b3ta.com/board/5468731

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:56, archived)

crikey

imageready is wayyy easier than flash, in my opinion

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AgentMuu hentai coordination, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:49, archived)

well it should come with imageready

which is animation software. did you download a copy or have you got the retail cd?

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:39, archived)

I personally don't think that Macromedia and Adobe 'care' about home users ripping off thier stuff..

Otherwise NO ONE would become a PS/Flash/DW expert!

I maybe legal nowadays, but I learned the business during the days of PS5 and thanks to P2P etc..

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:39, archived)

to be honest

at their prices they only need to sell 3.6 copies to cover production costs anyway.

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:40, archived)

hehe.. you might be right..

£400 for PS-CS is a bit silly!

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:42, archived)

£2 for the whole adobe suite at a market stall in thailand

but i have never put it in my computer

ehem

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:51, archived)

Nice weather we are having!

that is not a smart thing to admit..
not on here, anyway..

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:52, archived)

indeed

little chilly though

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:56, archived)

what begins with w?

~~i'd...~~
~~keep quiet about that if i were you~~

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:53, archived)

who what when?

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:56, archived)

All the kids learn on a cracked version of photoshop

and then when they get a job and have to be legitimate, they get their employers to buy the software they already know.

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Mystery_Bob, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:43, archived)

that is the truth..

if only more firms thought that way...

(assuming they do)

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:47, archived)

yeah,

surely making a demo copy available on their website into a full version by only having to entre a number is just asking for people to pirate copies

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:44, archived)

you think it is done that way to 'protect' it?

ssh, lets not over analyse this, they might get annoyed.. :)

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:46, archived)

they?

is that the they who shuffle about the woods, pondering over their mortgages?

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:59, archived)

yes..

there is always going to be two sides to arguments about copyright infringement.

edit: bed calleth... g'night.. continue this tommorrow if necessary! :)

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:01, archived)

you can find some good stuff

here

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:37, archived)

Cunt!

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:39, archived)

all software is free

if you know where to look...

;-)

anyway, does that GIMP program do animation?

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TBL I posted this on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:37, archived)

it's hardly a big internet secret now

is it.

*edit* that wasn't meant to sound cuntish. sorry.

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:38, archived)

no.

but some boards/forums/chatrooms frown upon actually saying it. So, I err on the side of caution, lest some mod from above jumps in.

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TBL I posted this on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:40, archived)

oh, yeah i see what you mean

but without free versions of photoshop this site would be deader than gary barlow's career.

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:41, archived)

"free versions of photoshop"?

there ARN'T any!... you have already crossed the line.. HULL!.. NOW!..hahaha

EDIT: they have a 30 day demo.. but it took me about 5 yrs to master it!..silly demo

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:44, archived)

I made this on GIMP.

You need to get the GAP (Gimp Animation Package) for some extra tools, though I think you can save animated GIFs with plain GIMP.

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Trinosaur, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:43, archived)

\ impressed!

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:45, archived)

impressed?

converting video of *insertwhinysinger'snamehere* into a gif is hardly rocket science.

;)

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:52, archived)

it is, considering I have no clue about using Gimp!

kudos to you!

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:53, archived)

the joke was me suggesting it wasn't manipulated...

never mind. time to employ someone else to write my jokes for me.

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:55, archived)

Pfft!...

that sounds exactly like "oh, its my bedtime".. g'night :)

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:57, archived)

goodnight

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:01, archived)

animate how?

I use the gimp. it's free and it does animation (sort of) best for very short freehand / video editing.

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but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all foreskin of the apocalypse, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:38, archived)

Already have Gimp

Also Photoshop- perhaps I am really thick, but I have never been able to make the transition from static to moving images- also all the torrents of Illustrator I find through Morpheus don't seem to work- again perhaps me!

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:42, archived)

i dont think illustrator animates anyway

does it?

*looks to knowledgable people*

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:43, archived)

if it helps...

I use PS to make frames up, and animate in a program called Gif Animator...

this one was done in it..

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TBL I posted this on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:47, archived)

those whole 2 frames

hehe. sorry

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:49, archived)

3 actually

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TBL I posted this on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:53, archived)

I dunno

It's primarily that using pirate software- as I do- it's difficult to find things out- so I thought I would ask the people who probably know.

Apologies for newbie status

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:47, archived)

just be a cheeky git and join one of the many

PS forums out there :-)

how are they going to know?

or nip down to your local library and borrow some "how to" books.

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TBL I posted this on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:51, archived)

i didnt think morpheus worked either

*ponders*

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:48, archived)

no, it doesn't..

unless you use it to make frames, then compile the pics in something like Flash.

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:50, archived)

flash is just overly complicated to me

i used to dabble with flash 5, and just got really annoyed with it

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:52, archived)

bear with it

Flash always amazes me at it's potential!

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:54, archived)

Spot on Sir

That's where I need to learn more- hence the question. I don't suppose there is a technical site anywhere around here- is there? It's just that the technical ability of most posts impresses me greatly and I would like to be able to do the same.

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:55, archived)

Google for "flash tutorials" etc..

but the best way is to find someone to teach you the basics and be on hand to answer questions.

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:58, archived)

Again- very big woo to you

That's what I get on Newgrounds tech chatroom- but I am fucked if I can understand a single word of it!

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:10, archived)

sorry i cant really help

this is about as good as my animations get..

Image hosted by Photobucket.com

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:59, archived)

Works for me

I like it. I want to get somewhere in that vicinity at some point- lack of knowledge (ability) I know I only posted the original pic to start a thread, but I would still have liked at least one opinion on it. Hey, I'm a sensitive new man after all; I'm a Caring, Understanding, Nineties Type!

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Lord Gnome, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:08, archived)

oh.... over 10000 and a b3taday....

have that then.

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TBL I posted this on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:28, archived)

Thank you.

That is very kind.

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Comma, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:29, archived)

*edit*

well sod you then.

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:30, archived)

You smell like the knickers of ugly people.

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Comma, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:30, archived)

I believe it is a pun

or play on words.

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Strawberry Dragon, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:32, archived)

I believe I am going to go for a wee,

and then to bed.

Good night, everybody.

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Comma, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:33, archived)

g'night :)

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:33, archived)

g'night..

as long as you always remember to do those things in that order, your life shall be fine.

:-)

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TBL I posted this on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:35, archived)

haha..

come one, no need to get shitty.

you CHOSE the fucking name! :)

edit: not like we can blame the parents for the titles we carry about this place!

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:33, archived)

Hello rarrrghhh I am a rargle

Happy b3taday to you :)

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mofaha ┐( ˘_˘)┌ ʅ(́◡◝)ʃ, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:34, archived)

Lully!

(as always!)

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:35, archived)

that's just too damn fluffy!

*fluffs*

(UltimateStoat thanks you for helping him help you help us all, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:43, archived)

thats no chicken, its a cock

(resistanceisfutile, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:20, archived)

Why are his balls translucent?

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Comma, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:21, archived)

Arn't yours?

\ checks self, to be sure.

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:22, archived)

I can safely say mine are not.

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Comma, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:23, archived)

ahh..

I think I just figured out why.

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:23, archived)

spayed at a young age?

i thought so

(UltimateStoat thanks you for helping him help you help us all, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:25, archived)

no, her profile says it all!

most excellent!

(esp' the opening paragraph)

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:27, archived)

i wish i had a purple glove

*is sad*
*makes do with his purple belt and purple tie*

(UltimateStoat thanks you for helping him help you help us all, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:31, archived)

Hah, I have two of them.

You may not have either.
Hah.

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Comma, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:32, archived)

i have stripey gloves

fuck you

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:01, archived)

mine hang low

and can be bashed to and fro

but they aren't translucent

*double checks*

(andysith vs. the becardiganed mousethra. EEK, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:23, archived)

you just have the stumpy legs of a midget.

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:26, archived)

why did no-one

tell my parents?

they'll be heartbroken you know.

(andysith vs. the becardiganed mousethra. EEK, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:27, archived)

i'd wondered who'd nicked them

after him!

(UltimateStoat thanks you for helping him help you help us all, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:29, archived)

*runs*

*sets up market stall*

'midget's legs... 3 for £1'

(andysith vs. the becardiganed mousethra. EEK, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:31, archived)

do your balls hang low?

can you swing 'em to and fro?
can you tie them in a knot?
can you tie them in a bow?
Do you ever get the feeling
When they hit against the ceiling
That you'll never be a sailor
If your balls hang low?

*winces*

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lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:29, archived)

BOTTOM!

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:30, archived)

FULL LYRICS! (NSFW site)

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lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:32, archived)

i rather think not

was singing that in the playground a good, christ is that long, 15 years before bottom

(andysith vs. the becardiganed mousethra. EEK, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:32, archived)

well then

you're a time lord.

aicmfp.

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:34, archived)

*goes back in time*

16 years ago and copyrights 'balls hanging low' song and makes fortune when bottom claim it as their own.

(andysith vs. the becardiganed mousethra. EEK, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:35, archived)

BECAUSE THEY ARE FULL OF RADIOACTIVE SHIT!

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mr horrible up yours, dickface, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:22, archived)

sounds delightful

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Johno says the chances of anything coming from mars are a million to one But still they come on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:27, archived)

you mean yours aren't?!!??

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:22, archived)

he's spent.

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lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:22, archived)

hahaha..

\ sings "what a feeeling.."

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:23, archived)

What a feeling!

*ba ba! bababa!*
Chook spuff on the ceiiiiling
*ba ba! bababa!*

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lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:26, archived)

*foot tappin' stuff*

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:30, archived)

congratulations on pushing stuff off the board

you cunt

(UltimateStoat thanks you for helping him help you help us all, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:21, archived)

Don't be such an arsefaced gay mingeflannel.

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Comma, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:22, archived)

mingeflannel!mingeflannel!mingeflannel!mingeflannel!

mingeflannel!mingeflannel!mingeflannel!

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lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:22, archived)

mingeflannel?

that's a good one, i'd be proud to be a mingeflannel

(UltimateStoat thanks you for helping him help you help us all, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:23, archived)

you just missed your 10000th post

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:24, archived)

Oh noes.

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Comma, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:24, archived)

vandalism is an acceptable use of a thread,

in fact encouraged.

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Sexy Picard 2000, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:23, archived)

You mean

that stuff that has been on the board for an hour and a half?

A true crime.

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Mystery_Bob, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:24, archived)

bollocks your right...

carry on....

(UltimateStoat thanks you for helping him help you help us all, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:26, archived)

you dropped these mate

' e

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:27, archived)

actually i dropped these **

was supposed to say *bollocks your right*

(UltimateStoat thanks you for helping him help you help us all, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:28, archived)

Argh!!

CROUTONS!

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Strawberry Dragon, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:15, archived)

Do they demand more liferafts

for their soup drowning toasted cuboid friends?

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lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:17, archived)

you cant trust em

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amoebaboy chose for death by unga bunga on, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:17, archived)

They just look like cubes on legs, you're rubbish.

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Comma, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:18, archived)

that's because

they are fucking cubes on legs!

edit: and i'm less rubbish than you

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Strawberry Dragon, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:19, archived)

happy burpday

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oodle doodle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:20, archived)

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Comma, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:14, archived)

My name is Mrlemonjelly, not Cluck.

But whatever turns you on. *likey*

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Ghostwriter can't pick up his pencil, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:15, archived)

If it were addressing someone called Cluck,

it would have a fucking comma after the word 'Cluck', wouldn't it?
You shit gay fuck thick mong.

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Comma, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:16, archived)

ahahaha

you tell 'em

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:17, archived)

A fucking comma,

as opposed to an ordinary one?

Happy B3taday

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Strawberry Dragon, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:18, archived)

and a soon to be 10000 posts by the looks of it

woo!

(mark has stripey socks, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:19, archived)

How nice of you. Please try to resist the urge to patronise/flame/insult me in future.

Also, the comma is not always necessary.

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Ghostwriter can't pick up his pencil, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:19, archived)

Commas are always necessary, on account of how they are so fucking ace.

And you smell of poo and are rubbish.

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Comma, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:20, archived)

You couldn't resist ...

Right. I'm going to walk off now, because, i don't really give a fuck. Just ... be nicer.

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Ghostwriter can't pick up his pencil, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:22, archived)

Shan't.

*sticks tongue out at you as you walk away*

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Comma, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:24, archived)

you've just got off lightly.

she still has the knobsacks of those that stood in her way the longest.

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lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:22, archived)

Arf!

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:20, archived)

FUCK OFF YOU SPAZZFINGERED GAYMONG!

I like that. w00.

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mr horrible up yours, dickface, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:19, archived)

Happy fucking b-day, Comma.

Oh look, it's mine tomorrow.

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Trinosaur, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:23, archived)

Timmy was pleased this time

(resistanceisfutile, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:12, archived)

Pfft!..

I like these

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:13, archived)

"Little did Timmy know, but it was a real bomb in his hands"

"Xmas was about to get exciting this year ..."

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Ghostwriter can't pick up his pencil, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:14, archived)

hahaha

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:18, archived)

I just...

found this on flickr. It is just waiting to be shopped.

The possibilities are endless.

(flarkey, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:12, archived)

stop with the fucking leeching already

(0800221155 Coldseal windows, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:12, archived)

are you OK?

do you need a hankie?

(phantomboner, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:15, archived)

don't do that.

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AgentMuu hentai coordination, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:19, archived)

And

he should know

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mechamatsimpsk, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:13, archived)

OMGZORZ

If only i had the time ... or graphics software .... anyway, i can see a bandwagon coming!

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Ghostwriter can't pick up his pencil, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:13, archived)

I think you will find

we did that already. Yesterday I think.

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Mystery_Bob, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:15, archived)

i see very little potential actually

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AgentMuu hentai coordination, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:18, archived)

cheap and eminently nasty

i think it's time for bed

(andysith vs. the becardiganed mousethra. EEK, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:19, archived)

Yes it is.

and yes it is.

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Ghostwriter can't pick up his pencil, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:28, archived)

thing

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The Duke of Prunes, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:29, archived)

Woo!

(Epiplectic Bicycle, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:33, archived)

i seem your sodomy and raise you a fag

(joeyramoney oily yellow discharge, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 2:24, archived)

Been done?

Has this been done already?

/awaits slagging

(flarkey, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:03, archived)

tee hee!

Seamless.

G;night all

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SugarSpunSister Yeah, whatever, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:04, archived)

nite

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Aphex The Mink Snackless, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:05, archived)

Night!

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bennyhillslovechild, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:08, archived)

Ba-dum

tish!

(albatross! aka Rameses Niblick III Kerplunk kerplunk - whoops, where's my thribble?, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:06, archived)

www.mikenco.com/plom.php

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Ghostwriter can't pick up his pencil, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:08, archived)

\ collects royalties

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:10, archived)

Sorry lol,

i left the link open so they could see it was yours :)

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Ghostwriter can't pick up his pencil, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:12, archived)

not an issue =)

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:14, archived)

genius!

How many times have i pressed that button now? Still hasn't got boring yet...

(albatross! aka Rameses Niblick III Kerplunk kerplunk - whoops, where's my thribble?, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:10, archived)

ahahahaha!

good stuff!

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The Duke of Prunes, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:07, archived)

I can smell the seams from here .... but it's ar better than anything i could do.

Hence, you get a likey and bun for your good idea. *Hands bun*

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Ghostwriter can't pick up his pencil, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:07, archived)

Likeys are good....

but i'd prefer a woo. I've never had a woo before.

(flarkey, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:09, archived)

I'm not sure it's worth a woo. They're reserved for the bestestest.

You can have a woah though.

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Ghostwriter can't pick up his pencil, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:10, archived)

really?

you got one a couple of minutes ago.

it's down there

(andysith vs. the becardiganed mousethra. EEK, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:12, archived)

hmm..

the ungrateful bugger got one 2 mins ago!!

www.b3ta.com/board/5468562

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:15, archived)

have a break.. have a Kwik-Krap!

woo!

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mikenco, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:10, archived)

(fark photoshop nicked from Brian O'Blivion)

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mechamatsimpsk, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 0:58, archived)

nnnnoooooo!

sacrilege

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Sexy Picard 2000, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:00, archived)

My brother once cut himself ...

... and wrote that on the wall in blood. I was deeply afraid. Also, i am lying. Woo, Christmas is coming!

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Ghostwriter can't pick up his pencil, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:01, archived)

Wow...

...it must have been months since I've seen you post.

I approve. More of this kind of thing.

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Mystery_Bob, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:02, archived)

Rarr!

Happy chrimbo, and all that stuff

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mechamatsimpsk, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:08, archived)

O rly

or something.

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The Duke of Prunes, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:06, archived)

ya liek so rly

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lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:07, archived)

yoinks!

I'm out of my depth here

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The Duke of Prunes, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:10, archived)

*repeats in a manner you might understand*

ya liek so rly braw.

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lazygamer VS tittybiscuits, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:11, archived)

that made me giggle like a girl

sorry

(andysith vs. the becardiganed mousethra. EEK, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:14, archived)

aaaaaaaah!

erm...braw...good lunch. chips... mustard

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The Duke of Prunes, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:14, archived)

with that.

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The Duke of Prunes, Fri 23 Dec 2005, 1:14, archived)

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