Daily Mail wins this year's A-level media pervathon, I reckon
I counted at least fifteen jumping girls. they've leavened it slightly with five jumping strapping young lads for the ladies/gays.
Telegraph is normally a challenger, but poor by comparison so far. There's still time...
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Daily Mail
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:34,
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Daily Mail wrote by
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Sorry for not being offensive enough.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:53,
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Brilliant offence dished out there, nicely done dude.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:34,
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Can we do this without the Mail linkage? Perhaps use a screengrab or something.
Sorry. Pet hate.
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:10,
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Meh
People know what it is. It's an article in the Daily Mail. They can look at it or not look at it. You don't want to click on a link, don't. I can't be arsed screengrabbing several pages worth and posting it elsewhere.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:13, Reply)
I didn't click it as it's the Daily Mail, you said it was so all is good.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:16,
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It's a shame that proxy site thing got shut down
back then we could get anrry about the Mail without giving them advertising pennies.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:18, Reply)
True, at least you let people know though, if they click on it and then complain it's a bit strange.
Fay Bentons is a bit of a twat though, you need to be careful around her.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:24,
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Haha, just a bit of a twat? :(
To be honest, I didn't read the title, just saw red mist when I hovered over the link. I've calmed down now. Can I come out of the sin bin?
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:30,
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Hey, Fey Batons, come on out, it's ok.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:32,
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Thanks.
I've learnt my lesson. I can honestly say I'm a changed man. No longer a danger to the /links board. Absolutely rehabilitated.
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:51,
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You've had a sex change?
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 13:03,
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16 Beloved Street Art Photos For July.
Not everybody's cup of tea, some of these are great though.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:11,
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Someone near where I live has knitted colourful woollen sheaths for those bike-locker-uper pole things
like these... 3.bp.blogspot.com/-dJ6a8Zt_joI/TdlFskEF5-I/AAAAAAAABMI/D4_kfeXEXcs/s1600/image-upload-15-786034.jpg
MEGAEDIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I found some photos! :D
www.cyclestreets.net/photomap/tags/knitting/
plus it looks like the same person did a lamppost too (it's about 50 metres away from the bike things)
www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Guerilla-knitter-makes-jumpers-for-lampposts-12062012.htm
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:39,
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Excellent, i like how these little things can bring a smile to someones face, especially the more creative ones like the first picture in this link, something people will have walked by so many times they no longer glanced at it, add a few lines and it makes you smile like a loon.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:42,
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What a great idea, I'm all for guerilla urban decoration, especially when some one puts in alot of effort.
You should leave a little note by them saying thankyou.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:56,
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^this, totally^
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:08,
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Whoa!
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 13:27,
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We have guerilla knitters near us.
Bike racks, and hats for post boxes.
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barryheadwound Mul-ti-pass? Multipass!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 13:06,
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HMRC's Flickr page of UK tax dodgers
Some right old sorts there ... :)
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"Tax dodging? I've barely two pence to rub together Officer!"
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Pig Bodine., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:11,
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4 years for 600k stolen from the tax payer.
Remind me, how long have we put the filthy shit sucking bankers that have scuppered the world economy away for?
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:19,
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We gave them bigger bonus packages
To motivate them to 'not do it again'. Problem solved.
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DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:22,
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David Gower?
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h3donist tryin' to play me out as if my name is Sega.., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:14,
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Lord Ashcroft and Vodafone's board of directors seem to be missing
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slartifartfast When all around are losing their heads, duck., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:12,
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Billy Bragg – Never Buy The Sun
Current affairs and music are both popular here, right?
(Hope it's not fashionable to bash folk music on here, I know it's an easy target.)
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:56, Reply)
i liked the
"recorded in the left wing of his devonshire mansion"
made me smile
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:24, Reply)
likewise
Then I stopped smiling when I clicked that it was about the Hillsborough disaster as much as the current sleaze.
Grim stuff.
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Man enjoys hamburger, gets autotuned
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gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:43,
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hotpiss likes to chomp on their hot meat and then feel the juices run down the back of their throat... with bacon.
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:41,
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He loves their greasy mayonnaise dribbling down his chin.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:58,
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If you're in Bath, Schwarz Bros.
If you're in Bristol, Warrens Gourmet Burger Company.
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Lumpbucket tekcubpmuL, Sat 18 Aug 2012, 13:59,
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That was quite fun ...
but it looks as though he needs to hold off on the burgers for a while.
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actually better than a lot of stuff I hear played on the radio
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:07,
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True! And it contains an inspirational message.
About burgers.
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sir_spicious2000 Crap I've watched: www.filmplop.blogspot.com/, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 13:29,
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Haha!
That's actually rather catchy.
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dirtyscarab intends to live forever. So far, so good..., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 13:56,
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The first autotune video
Where I've lasted more than 15 seconds. I like this!
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 15:31, Reply)
Ah Nick Cage
One of the finest thesps ever to walk the Earth
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SpookySpoon www.vivino.com/users/hig.func, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:16,
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Some good ones there
But strikes me more as "100 that I could find" rather than "100 greatest"
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:13,
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True romance rocks! That Oldman laughter-to-cry from 5th Element really is awesome.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:04, Reply)
Russian Synchronised Swimming
I didnt watch the synch swimming because it's silly but then I found this and I've changed my mind. It's still silly but it's also fucking amazing.
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spitsticker is not working on, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:13,
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I caught some of this
When it was on and it blew my mind! Amazing.
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:37,
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I caught the last four teams in the Olympics final on TV.
Spain's gold-winning sea-monster-themed routine was incredible (here's their preparation routine).
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Happosai _,,,,_(O ; o)_,,,, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:41,
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I'd much rather watch the creative events than the track events.
Yes, Usain Bolt ran a little bit faster than he's ever done before, but how many replays do we really need to see?
Things like synchronised swimming and diving, parallel bars and any other kind of gymnastic event, where things could go wrong but could go very, very right, are captivating. To me, at least.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:02, Reply)
changed my mind
ohh you've made me think. I may have to change my stance; I used to think that sports that were fast, strong, jumpy, throwy or endurancey were the 'pure' ones...but I can now see that the creative sports involve all of those skills put together.
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spitsticker is not working on, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:42,
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Well, glad to be of service.
My rant excludes dressage, obviously. In order to do well in the dressage it seems you need to train a horse, then let it do it's thing while you wear formal dress and cry into your gloves. Tossers.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 13:25, Reply)
How the fuck is this a sport?
It's just poncing about in the water.
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I'm guessing if you got in a pool and tried to replicate any of those moves you'd realise how sporty it is
(not that I know, just assuming it's way hard)
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thecrapgatsby isn't listening LALALALALALA, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:44,
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I said that to a work colleague once ....
who, unknown to me used to be a synch-swimmer .... she had a right old go at me :D
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^This^
Also, dressage. Just what is the point of making horses mince?
Bring back welly wanging.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:50,
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Horses mincing to music. TO MUSIC.
I really thought it was a Chris Morris piss-take for a few minutes.
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thecrapgatsby isn't listening LALALALALALA, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:55,
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I can't be the only one who finds it pretty erotic, i can't be.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:00,
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If only there was some kind of periodical you could subscribe to to bring your passion for horses to life
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:09,
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I know, to my knowledge there isn't a periodical called 'Horse Fucker Daily' out as of yet :-(
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:22,
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Dressage
As if you didn't look poncy enough dressed up on a horse...you have to do THAT?!
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:16,
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How else are you supposed to make...
a proper dressage pie if you don't mince the horses first?
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:29, Reply)
Fucking right, also they should have tug of war, that is fucking hard work.
I usually enter a team into local competitions, every time I think my heart is going to explode.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:35,
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I'm a firm believer in one track race being done in fancy dress.
The bulkier the better and preferably obscuring the runner's vision too.
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Pig Bodine., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:43,
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Tug of war used to be in the Olympics
check out the lardy lad on the end
Edit: actually not that lardy, I think he could beat me to a pulp.
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spitsticker is not working on, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:46,
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Wow, I wonder why they ditched it? and yeah he probably could, although he's probably dead by now.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:01,
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The end position on the rope is known as "the anchor"
The fat w.anchor.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:02,
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Cheating player is cheating
The world reels in shock
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Fadgebadger Sweaty sumo wanks for everyone!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 7:52,
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weheartit.com/entry/16018062
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:03,
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Epic Scrabble Skills
www.slate.com/articles/technology/gaming/2006/10/830.html
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SpookySpoon www.vivino.com/users/hig.func, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:27,
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....some are known to take minerals which act as 'brain boosters'.
Haha
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Brandy_Bumwinkle, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:03,
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Winners of the National Geographic Traveler Photo Contest 2012.
Some nice photos, i love photo number 4.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 7:22,
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Oatmeal raising cash ($850,000) for Tesla Museum
So far $237,000. I donated five quid. Why don't you.
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dirtyscarab intends to live forever. So far, so good..., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 5:37,
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the man tesla was a genius who was far seeing and visionary in his work
this is an article about some of the stuff he invented , it is a trifle long and there are no pretty pictures or pop ups for granny porn or gun sales, theres no blood and no death so this will limit the appeal some what but have a read and be incredulous at his achievements
uncletaz.com/library/scimath/tesla/teslainv.html
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fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:06,
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Hmm... there is already a Tesla Museum
I know 'cos i've been there, they have Giant Tesla coils that they operate to make fluorescent light tubes glow in your hands and rudimentary RC Boats and all sorts of goodies.
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rjmrjm, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:07,
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You might want to point this out to them
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:21,
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It's in Belgrade innit. This oatmeal one is going to be in the states, why can't we have one in the UK.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:41,
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In this case they're trying to buy Tesla's old lab
and turn it into a museum. If they don't some corporate fuckwit'll knock it down and turn it into a shopping mall.
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dirtyscarab intends to live forever. So far, so good..., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 13:58,
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Assange might be dragged out of the Ecudorian Embassy...
Oh dear, what a pity, never mind.
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But he's the medias darling and stands up to nasty old America, the law doesn't apply to him.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:04,
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Yeah, so what if embassies are the sovereign soil of the country they represent...
It's not like respect for that notion is a vital cornerstone of international diplomacy. Someone's been accused (not charged, let alone found guilty) of lying about whether he was wearing a johnny, that's clearly more important than the laws that exist to stop tense situations boiling over into wars.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:50, Reply)
It's also not like keeping messages between countries via diplomatic channels is a REALLY bloody vital cornerstone of international diplomacy.
add a "secret" in there
And that wars can be averted if two apposing sides can comunicate without fear of those communications being broadcast to the whole world.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:59,
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WikiLeaks isn't against the law, as far as I know. Leaking state secrets to the press, illegal; the press publishing them, not illegal.
So WikiLeaks must be completely irrelevant to why our government's thinking of dragging him out of the embassy.
That's all about the actual alleged crime, the disappearing rubber.
Of course.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:09, Reply)
Ah law... don't know too much about that.
What I do know is that those communications need to be secret for the whole diplomatic system to work.
Now you might not think it serious to fuck a couple of girls lying to them about using protection the Swedes do.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:14,
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Oh, I completely agree that, if there's reasonable suspicion that he broke Swedish law, he should go there to face trial...
... unless he can actually produce reasonably convincing evidence that that will lead to massive infringements of his human rights (being the whole point of seeking asylum).
However, it seems to me that he wouldn't be being pursued anywhere near so vigorously if he wasn't the figurehead of WikiLeaks. If this was some random guy no-one had heard of, I very much doubt the government would be thinking of infringing on ambassadorial privilege to nick him. And that just isn't on in my book, because WikiLeaks isn't criminal.
And I'm not convinced that it's immoral, either. The bureaucrats etc who handle the stuff and decide to leak it, they're the ones being (arguably) naughty. The people who receive the leaks and publish them... well, it was never their job to keep the information secret in the first place, so I don't see the problem.
Sure, it'd be Good if they were a bit more selective about which leaks they published, but I'd consider their indiscriminate approach Neutral, not Evil. In the absence of WikiLeaks, people could still indiscriminately bung stuff on bittorrent and file lockers and pastebins.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:32, Reply)
Well someone else pointed out that it's Sweden not Sudan
And what about the rights of the two women accusing him?
If he hadn't been the head of wikileaks and gotten lots of support and money from media darlings he would have been given a simple trial here and put on a plane to StockHolm.
Because of who he is he's managed to take it the full length of the legal system here and now that it's not gone the way he want's he's trying to run away.
It wasn't the bureaucrats that leaked it. It was Bradley after being chatted up by Assange and promptly left in the gutter by him.
As for being selective, they're choosing what to leak.
The whole file is leaked but it's encrypted.
Sure it's probably been decrypted by most nations with a basic cyber division like China, N Korea, Iran etc but you and me the proles have to wait and be drip fed it to sell newspapers.
I would hate to be an informant named in any of those papers right now.
Not knowing when your doors going to get kicked in.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:43,
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Regardless of anything else, now he's in the embassy, it's the government of Ecuador's job to consider his case for asylum, and our government is obligated to respect that.
Those duties are, in my mind, vastly more important than what happens to any one individual. If Hitler had been found hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy, I'd still stick to that. If the government breaks the rules when it feels like it, what's the point of having rules?
All the rest is kinda beside the point, IMO, but I guess it'd be rude of me to not address your points...
Your first bit, we seem to be in vigorous agreement: "I completely agree that, if there's reasonable suspicion that he broke Swedish law, he should go there to face trial". As you say, it's Sweden not Sudan, so the odds of him producing "reasonably convincing evidence that that will lead to massive infringements of his human rights" are slim to none.
I don't think any of us are in a position to say one-way-or-the-other whether he'd have managed to flee to an embassy to seek asylum if he was just a randomer. There's too many factors at work.
re: bureaucrats, I said "bureaucrats etc". Manning is in the "etc". And it's not like everything ever leaked to WikiLeaks came from Manning, so some may well have come from bureaucrats. I'll grant that it may have been a poor choice of words on my part, but that's incidental.
and re: encryption... well, I don't know how it's encrypted, but there is freely-available open-source encryption out there that, with long enough keys, would require a computer made up of every atom in the universe more time than the universe's expected lifespan to crack. So it might be genuinely unbreakable without the key.
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I suspect that if the Ecuadorian government wouldn't have even given him the time of day were it not for who he was.
And the rules seem to allow for in extreme circumstances for an embassy to be entered into and an individual taken, but all sources seem to play down this actually happening.
What seems to have happened is the U.K Government made them aware of this in case the diplomatics got all their knowledge of international diplomacy from "Lethal Weapon 2" and Ecuador promptly released this message.
The whole "Computer taking years" to break an encryption is based on brute forcing a code.
You work smarter than that and you can guarantee every world nation is working hard to break it
and a lot probably already have and shared it with others.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:53,
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Even if we're technically allowed to go in there for him, it'd only make this whole clusterfuck even more diplomatically messy than it is already.
And I maintain: as long as he stays in the embassy, I don't see how he's anyone's problem but Ecuador's. So why piss off the international community just to make him our problem again?
And the "computer taking years to break modern encryption" thing is based on the fact that modern cryptographic algorithms have been very thoroughly studied, by many academics and hackers and security professionals and so on and so on, and we can base time estimates off the most efficient cracking algorithm all these experts have found in all their years of study.
Sure, as far as I know, it's effectively impossible to prove that more efficient cracking algorithms don't exist, but the odds of someone having found one (that no-one else has found and published), and successfully kept it a secret, are vanishingly small.
If someone wanted to encrypt something in a way that was unbreakable in this universe, I assure you that it is possible.
[edit] I almost forgot: One-time pads are completely unbreakable, even if you had infinite computing power -- there is inherently no possibility of a cracking algorithm. You just need a key of high-quality entropy, with as many bits as the data you want to encrypt. I'm sure WikiLeaks could manage that.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:15, Reply)
They said the same thing for the encryption used on the PS3 and they were right.
Until someone found out a number in the process that was supposed to be random churned out "4" every time.
Ok, the wikileaks "insurance file" containing all the uncensored documents including names of informants in hostile countries was sent all around the internet a few years ago.
Have a look it'll be on the torrents. there's now thousands of copies.
It's encrypted with a 256bit AES key.
That's a string of 256 characters and strong encryption indeed.
Now, this one file holds the mother of all intelligence gathering.
A nation that can access this will be very happy indeed.
You can guarantee everyone's working on accessing it.
Problem is human error can defeat the strongest encryption.
The key he distributed to key followers will be written down, talked about, saved on a computer in a folder marked "super secret passwords" whatever.
Assange bet the life of a lot of people on that simple bit of encryption.
You can talk about one time pads but he didn't use them he used a very public way to insure he's not bumped off. In fact I can well imagine many foreign powers happily killing him so his followers release the code.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:52,
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Okay, I wasn't aware that the encryption method was publicly known at this time.
As you say, that's strong encryption indeed, modulo non-technical weaknesses such as human error. We can but wait and see whether WikiLeaks screwed up in such a way.
And we can but wait and see whether they were bluffing about the contents. If not, then, as you say, they have indeed "bet the life of a lot of people" on it, and letting the key get out (deliberately or though error) would be pretty damn irresponsible however you slice it.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 13:06, Reply)
If he weren't head of Wikileaks, there'd certainly be a lot less fuss.
That's true enough. But there wouldn't need to be: he'd have been extradited quickly and efficiently, stood trial, been found innocent or guilty, and be well on the way to having served his sentence by now.
I don't know about Wikileaks' legal status; but its moral status isn't so obvious as you see to imagine. For sure, the people who do the actual leaking may well have committed a crime in their own right - but that doesn't exonerate Wikileaks. By analogy, if you steal a car, and I know it to be stolen when I sell it on your behalf, then it's no defence for me to insist that selling a car is perfectly legal.
And as for their approach being neutral... well, maybe. But there's a difference between responsible and rash neutrality. WL seems to me often to be rash, and founded on the dubious premise not only that there's never any need for information to be regulated, but that it should never be regulated. That's insane.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:51,
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I'm no fan of WikiLeaks, I assure you, I'm pretty ambivalent about them. They are indeed rash and irresponsible at times. And Assange is an attention-seeking nutter.
I can't say one way or the other what would have happened if he wasn't a celebrity - maybe he'd have been dealt with very efficiently, as you say... but he may still have managed to sneak off to the Ecuadorian embassy, and if he had, we wouldn't be considering pissing off Ecuador by burning the rulebook to get him out.
I would've expected a response more along the lines of "okay, Ecuador can deal with him; we'll stick a van of bobbies outside to knick him if he leaves, but aside from that, he's not our problem".
Your car analogy... well, I'm never comfortable with analogies between material theft and information "theft". If I may answer it with another analogy: if the cables had been leaked straight to the papers, would you have taken issue to them publishing (at least some of) them? It's my understanding that that's what the press is expected to do with leaks it receives, and I don't think there's a clear distinction between "the press" and "some guy with a website" any more.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:09, Reply)
My understanding is that publishing is technically illegal,
but there's a public interest defence. Note that it's a defence, not an exception, and the publisher would therefore have to be able to show such an interest. Maybe there's such a defence for some of the stuff WL publishes; but that alone won't justify their approach across the board.
Note, too, that my analaogy was to the moral claim, rather than the legal one.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:20,
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Fair enough.
To clarify my position:
I'm ambivalent about WikiLeaks, insufficiently informed to pass judgement on them, and too apathetic to rectify that.
I think Assange is a tit, and I suspect his recent Sweden-dodging antics are a sign of either narcissism or paranoia; but I'm not going to say any more than "I suspect" on that, as I have no way of knowing for sure.
I don't care to defend WikiLeaks or Assange, really.
All I want to defend here is that diplomatic immunity is vastly more important than anyone involved in this pantomime of bullshit. The government should stay the fuck out of other countries' embassies, period.
As long as he stays on Ecuadorian turf, he's Ecuador's problem, not ours. If he leaves the building (or they kick him out), by all means, nick him then. If he does so in a diplomatic vehicle, follow it 'til he gets out (and then nick him) or it leaves the country (and then he's not our problem any more).
That's how embassies and asylum-seeking are meant to work.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:44, Reply)
Whilst I agree with you (mostly)
and think he should be extradited to Sweden, the problem is that if he goes to Sweden, he'll probably be extradited to America, and then they'll chuck him in a deep dark hole without chance of a fair trial and hope the world forgets about him (like they did with Bradley wassisname), so he does sort of have a point.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:53, Reply)
If sweden does do that then the responsibility is on them
I'm not convinced that he shouldn't answer for what he's done.
His actions have screwed the whole diplomatic system over.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:03,
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But it hasn't screwed over the diplomatic system
the documents they published are in the wild, and the diplomatic system still works.
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masakatsu best of all the burger meats, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:09,
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How do you know it's working?
Unless you're a diplomatic you've got no way to know that people have trust again in the system.
And seeing as it's been credited for kicking off the arab spring (how many people have died in that?) I can expect a lot of people are going to clam up until they have confidence in it again.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:17,
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I don't think it would have made it better, do you?
Anyway I said it had been "screwed over" not that it had stopped working.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:21,
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you implied that it wasn't working
by asking the question "how do you know it's working?".
Your other point "unless you're a diplomatic" you cannot know it's working. By your own argument, you cannot expect that people will clam up "unless you are a diplomatic". I could point to Craig Murray as a case in point. The UK still has diplomatic relations with Uzbekistan.
I'll also wager that revolution in Arab countries had more to do with education and access to the internet.
I don't particularly like Julian Assange. I'd like to see him stand trial for the charges, and either be jailed for them, or see his name cleared. I'm not a particular supporter of Wikileaks either. My point would be that the law should be applied fairly, and should be applicable to all parties.
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masakatsu best of all the burger meats, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:20,
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Yay linguistic argument!
I asked "how do you know it's working?" because I inferred from your comment "the documents they published are in the wild, and the diplomatic system still works." that you thought my previous comment of the system being screwed was in error and everything was hunky dory.
I can assume that a system built of secrecy and trust may well have suffered a set-back when that trust and secrecy is blown out of the water.
Can you point at "Craig Murray" as a case a little harder because i'm not sure of your point other than to highlight governments don't like it when diplomats are indiscrete.
I'ld take that wager and so will Assange seeing as he and the left wing press are linking the Wikileak publications to the Arab spring.
They've had education and internet in Arab countries for a long time.
But I grant you they did get the information from the internet.
If the law is to be applied fairly to all parties then he should abide by the countless extradition trials he's gone though here and face his accusers in a Swedish court and not break the bail conditions he agreed upon to avoid being held on remand.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:38,
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well, I hope he isn't
the US needs to learn that it does not have jurisdiction over the whole fucking world, and the UK needs to stop being a pathetic little bitch.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:42, Reply)
Yeah, they need to stand up to America and do what the media tells it to do.
How bad's a sex crime in Sweden anyway?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:06,
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Mine was considered very bad, not just in Sweden either.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:16,
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technically yours wasn't a sex crime...
it was a crime with sex involved.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:22, Reply)
Tell that to the children and the authorities.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:24,
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Yeah, most countries react well when you start strong arming them
this will surely make Ecuador decide against granting asylum to Assange
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masakatsu best of all the burger meats, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:37,
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Which would be bad for Britain because...
Well...
I guess it would mean we don't have to worry about him any more. Damn. That would suck.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:48,
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The guy has been accused of sex crimes by TWO women
he really should stop being such a cowardly little tosser and go and clear his name and reputation
If you go around making public nation's state secrets, expect the worst. The guy has been an idiot. It is not always best the public are aware of everything.
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Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:06,
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JamTallons, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:18,
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i dunno.
the bnp membership list leak was a good laugh.
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tickle I was away, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:58,
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I Can't Stand Assange
I really can't. Self-righteous little tosser who I'd quite happily take on in an arse kicking contest.
But even I realise that the charges from Sweden are a pile of crap. One of the girls involved even blogged about how amazing Assange was *after* she'd slept with him.
Cheers
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Legless Mister Stabby - shanks for the memory, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:28,
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I think we should go to the embassy and beat him up.
You with me??
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JamTallons, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:35,
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I'm in. This needs careful planning....
you j=hold him down and I'll kick him.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:31, Reply)
Then he doesn't have much to worry about in a Swedish court of law
They are one of the least likely countries in the world to deport someone to another country where they might face torture or a death penalty aren't they?
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Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:43,
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he's worried about going into a "system"
because the yanks will probably just have another "inmate attack him"
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:47, Reply)
and have one of his followers release the super-secret password to unlock the file he's spread around the world?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:51,
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Did she know at the time he was lying about wearing a condom?
and isn't this what a trial is for?
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:44,
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David Allen Green (aka Jack of Kent) has made a nice point about this:
Wouldn't it make more sense for Assange to spend all this energy fighting the Swedish charges, than fighting against having to face them? Irrespective of his guilt, this saga doesn't look good for him.
And it's not as if he won't get a fair trial in Sweden. It's Sweden, not Sudan, ffs.
The UK is being pathetic here. The legislation mentioned here was never intended to be used in situations like this. It's almost as if the government has been looking out of the window for the past three weeks, and thinking "The rest of the world suddenly seems to love Britain. How can we end that? I KNOW...!"
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:22,
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Hey Enzyme.
Enjoy the games you went to see?
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:28,
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Yep, thanks.
I don't know the first thing about water-polo (despite my brother having played for almost 20 years), but it was fun all the same. Hurrah!
I'd thought about taking a flag to wave... but since the only flag I own is that of the erstwhile USSR, I thought better of it. Didn't want to get thrown out, after all.
And watching Mo Farah on a big screen at Greenwhich Old Naval College the night before is something I'll remember for a long, long time.
I'm still on an Olympic high. Woot!
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:45,
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Excellent mate!
So many of my friends, real cynics about it, got quite carried away by it all.
I'm off to the Paralympics soon, can't wait, it's amazing, cheesy to say but everyone is a winner in them considering what they've overcome to get there, you should get tickets, everyone should.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:51,
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Not that i know of mate :-(
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:04,
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that's a real shame - I would've been able to get myself to Manchester but it's bad timing for me to go to London.
Really wish I'd made the effort to go to the games now. I'll just have to get along to them next year I guess.
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Pig Bodine., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:08,
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It'll all be on channel 4 i think, tune in!
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:21,
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I got into a protracted debate about the Paralympics on /board the other day.
Kind of a shame that they'll be up against *yawn* soccerball for attention.
But there's apparently a documentary about their origins on telly this evening: I might have to make a point of watching it.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:13,
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I like football to an extent, it's fair to say the start of the season now seems very underwhelming after the Olympics though.
There was some real emotion shown in the Olympics, hardly surprising if you train for so many years and maybe have only seconds to prove yourself, they don't get to play a couple of times a week like footballers do, a bad day for some of those athletes in the Olympics means having to train for another four years to prove themselves in Rio.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 11:19,
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New Zoochosis Short
Lacks sheep gurls and escalators but fun none the less.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 0:48, Reply)
Why am I just learning about this?
That channel is bloody ace.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:19,
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Well that's the darkest thing I've seen in a while
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thecrapgatsby isn't listening LALALALALALA, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 10:53,
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reminds me of this old umbro ad
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bjn9mSREyzg
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 13:36, Reply)
scary beautiful. do you know where that lighthouse is?
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miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 1:04,
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I think it might be this one
www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7RSryuJAwE
This video was taken on the 7th of december 2007 in "Raz de Sein" at the western tip of France, in Brittany, on a (very) stormy day.
Those lighthouses isolated in the open sea are/were called "Hells" because of the roughness of living conditions inside these isolated buildings, frequently harassed by the elements.
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The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 1:07,
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Join the Navy; See the world
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 7:14,
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Silly boat!
You go ON the water, not through it!
I think I shall need the larger of my two umbrellas
(epic vid!)
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moogthedog, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 13:33,
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I made a little sick in my mouth.
Great shots though. I can't imagine what it would be like to be on that ship.
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Varmint, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 22:07,
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Near miss firefighters
plane and chopper
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The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 0:20,
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George Formby In Da Club
And I'm sure 50 Cent will see the funny side of this too.
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fred zeppelin II: Electric Boogaloo, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:42,
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Hahahahah - that's fucking brilliant!
I love how he is choking back the laughs halfway through :D
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Pig Bodine., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:54,
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That is ace!
I hope it's not spammy.
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 0:15,
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I promise it's not spam. No idea who it is but it makes me chuckle like a twat every time. (edit: ah, just saw the end slate so it's a kind of advert after all, sorry)
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fred zeppelin II: Electric Boogaloo, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 0:19,
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Ads on /links are fine provided they are A) good and B) not gratuitous self-promotion - no need to apologise.
I've watched this about 7 times over now and I'm still laughing like a drain. Hope the chap's stage show is a success.
Have some more Chap-Hop old boy.
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Pig Bodine., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 0:47,
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I love a good ad
I just wondered if the OP had summat to do with it is all.
Apparently not!
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:36,
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The comment wasn't knocking your reply specifically toots
Just generally commenting on my view of spam on these hallowed boards :)
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Pig Bodine., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:13,
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It's good spam!
Which is a contradiction in terms, I know, but still...
Actually, my mate Chris back in Uni made excellent toasted spam sandwiches. I have no idea how he made them so delicious.
After further thought, it may have been due to the fact that the only time I ate them was when I was intoxicated. Yeah, I'm sure that's it.
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dirtyscarab intends to live forever. So far, so good..., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 4:15,
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Ha ha ha!
Turned out nice again, biatch!
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ERG1008 is climbing in yo windows & snatchin yo people up, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 8:49,
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From the graffit in the screen cap..
I can already tell its Edinburgh. Sine & Yeah.
(, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 12:17, Reply)
Chinese reporter covers typhoon tied to rope.
They don't want her to blow away, never mind debris flying at 85 mph.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:37,
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i see the weather channel's
school of hurricane reporting has gone international... you must stand in the storm it and shout unintelligibly at the camera, while saying "stay indoors people"
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miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:44,
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I think it provides catharsis.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:51,
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I like the bloke calmly going about his business
in the background. A nice counterpoint
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chthonic, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 0:07,
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First Love
NSFW
Some young lad talking about his first love and being a bit sweary about it. Not much changes as you grow up ey?
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:23,
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not much does change...
just last week i had a cry about glitter and glue.
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miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:33,
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But you can really stick it to the man!
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:52,
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To Celebrate Shark week, have some movies featuring sharks
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The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 21:40,
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it's international shark week?
have this amazing picture of a man-eating shark: tinyurl.com/7ljdr78
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 21:58,
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haha!
it probably would not surprise you that i have seen every one of those.
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miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 22:03,
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Some of those sharks
are amazing at acting! Oh what am I talking about, ALL of those sharks deserve an Oscar!
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver I have very beautiful lips, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 22:13,
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Fake. No bridge or helicopter.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 22:28,
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watch again
there were both...
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miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 22:39,
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A good opportunity to play the Shark Week drinking game.
weknowmemes.com/2012/08/shark-week-drinking-game/
(, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:48, Reply)
ha! CLICK! i will be using that later. :)
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miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:55,
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well you do live in Florida
so no excuse needed
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The Scrunt Wants a Dozen Pints, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 1:04,
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brill
some class movie shockers there - was that shartopus in there?
still, goes to show that Jaws was the only *decent* shark film ever made
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wideeye slightly pickled, Thu 16 Aug 2012, 9:31,
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Drunk dickhead tries to start a fight with Titan The Robot
Titan gives the silly twat a slap for his trouble. Seriously though, what a complete cocktrumpet. (skip forward to about a minute)
(, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 21:26, Reply)
Robot seems a bit gay, his organic minions have to escort the perp away.
A proper robot would have crushed his head with his iron fist or pull him in half, wimp.
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Brandy_Bumwinkle, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 21:39,
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they were doing it for the guy's safety. They knew the robot couldn't control his head squisher much longer, and nobody wanted to clean up the gorey mess afterward.
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Cukeasaurus was once known as Misanthropy., Wed 15 Aug 2012, 22:01,
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Pigeon chest and a popped collar
standard uniform of larger-fuelled thuggery.
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:27,
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Go to the youtube. See the title...
BUTLINS BOGNOR 2010
That sums it up..
Also, fucking hell, Titan the robot has hit on hard times.
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Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:58,
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what a colossal dick
If/when have kids I'd never take them to a holiday park - they seem to attract more than their fair share of swaggering cunts like him.
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h3donist tryin' to play me out as if my name is Sega.., Thu 16 Aug 2012, 0:24,
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I fucking hate Titan.
You build a fantastic looking, wearable robot suit with a built-in sound system and what do you do with it? Walk it around like a fucking street clown playing radio clips and fart noises?!
RIP UP SOME CARS AND DEAFEN PEOPLE, YOU CUNT!
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Extinct Jesus Dossier "...I think it counteracts Hitler's magic...", Thu 16 Aug 2012, 0:26,
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mitsubish evo 8 departs the road on a corner doing the pikes peak hill climb
seems a bit of a harsh way to get to the bottom but it was quick and effective.
evo was totaly furnuckered by the looks of it.
not sure what condition the driver/codriver is/was/will be in, but there bank balance will take a hammering trying buff this one out.
also i found it very hard to wank too, does mean i am a lesbian or maybe even a conservative?
please advise
yours, confused of colchester
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fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 21:25,
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Ooh not good.
Eeesh! my spine hurt watching that.
glad to hear they made it out of that alive.
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miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 21:36,
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A doffed cap in the general direction of the guys/gals responsible for putting the rollcage together...
definitely saved their lives.
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NooShmoo It's a fantazmagorical pile of ultra bollocks, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 21:41,
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Blimey! It's all tarmac for the first time this year.
Which means people going off will be going faster when they do it, which is not helpful with a steep drop off like that. Though that corner might always have been tarmac I suppose.
Try 0.25 of this to see how roll cages save you......just, the cage is punched down and in front of co-driver Phil Mills face on the 3rd bounce. He was OK.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-_PyovawYQ&feature=related
Yikes
[edit] Dave?
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Studebaker Hawk Touch me, I'm thick, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 22:02,
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gah!
but i find it amazing how much force the roll cage can take.
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miss fortunate last posted ages ago, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 22:10,
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well the peeps that build that roll cage wont need to advertise for a while
great job getting that thing fitted correctly and saving there lives
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fluffybunnykiller Is feasting on the clitoris of life, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 22:17,
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It looks like a pissed-off giant is trying to get in...
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Wed 15 Aug 2012, 23:45,
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