Come on lefties, do you want to go down whining, or do you want to fucking fight for what you believe. Because all I've seen so far is self pity and it's really not flattering.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 21:12, Reply)
believe that they represent the best interests of the working class, then feel betrayed by actual real working class people
Happened in the 80s, happened the other week, will happen again. Hence the crisis of faith - it's hard when people undermine your theory of what those people should be.
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 0:06, Reply)
I'm still unashamedly lefty though!
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 0:14, Reply)
raised in the hard left, softened as I'm my own adult now, but firmly on that side. I think this explains why lefties are always so glum though...
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 0:19, Reply)
As are many folk I know.
Although I see where you're coming from.
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 0:35, Reply)
No one bothered to explain to the self employed plumbers and plasterers why access to the single market is vital to them... you know, if they fancied driving all the way from Oldham to do a spot of plastering in Frankfurt, they could!
All the fuss about plasterers and plumbers from the EU moving to the UK and undercutting their rates was correctly brushed under the carpet with the righteous broom of anti-fa.
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 13:13, Reply)
Which is why they lose so often.
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 15:21, Reply)
A mix of self-pity and buyer's remorse
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 21:26, Reply)
As the video said, yes a few people didn't know what they were voting for, but you can't claim all 17 million didn't.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 21:29, Reply)
Is how UKIP plays in a pre-brexit gennelec. If you look beyond the referendum, UKIP are in the classic sense national socialists. Lots of 'we'll look after you mate' socialist policies such as nationalising the railways along with radical social conservatism - anti gay marriage, anti immigrant etc etc. This is where the fault line lies in the Labour Party. The vanguard maybe corbynites but the old northern working class don't seem to buy his internationalist socialism. They give a fuck about Palestine. They hate 'muzzies' and imgrants. Politics is swerving hard left and hard right and not in the most obvious ways.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 21:42, Reply)
Also 2/3 of Asian people and 3/4 Black people voted out apparently so I expect the next leader to be more centralist.
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(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 8:56, Reply)
He can't help it if he's told himself the wrong information.
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 10:34, Reply)
because they were promised "fairer" immigration. We still need foreign workers, and this levels the playing fields for people from all around the world to find work here in a point based system. Rather than favouring European workers.
That said, those numbers are on their head. But still mind boggling.
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 10:53, Reply)
It is the other way round going to the original data.
Have a medal.
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That wasn't sarcasm btw.
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 11:35, Reply)
I seem to have had a political opinion. I should have known better.
One thing is pretty clear, those 17 million people had a variety of good reasons to vote that way. Not all of them realistic or compatible with the other options.
I understand why the majority of the whining would come from the Remainers, but I would also argue it is utterly incorrect to define those guys as "left".
On a personal self-pitying note to help your argument, I have had three people (family and two friends) tell me that "One door closes, another opens", or "I will find a better job", or "you didn't like that job anyway" - when I told them my team's jobs are in a limbo because a great deal of our funding is distributed from Europe. It isn't like we are researching which is the most effective side to lick a stamp on.
In the way Boris is asking for people to say positive things, I truly hoped someone would lead the leave campaign and give any idea of how this makes our lives better - because if there was anyone with a shred of credibility, I would have that scrap to hold onto.
So it is probably going to not save us a penny, and make our lives (mine in particular) a bit shitter for the rest of my working life. At least we have done the rest of Europe (Germany, France and Italy aside) a massive favour.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 21:45, Reply)
Is bang on. I am a remainer but for rather obscure geo-political reasons and I'm pretty sure most posters here would think me very right wing (if socially liberal).
The Eurocrats have made a total dogs dinner of everything from the creation of the euro to handling of financial crisis and onward to failing to recognise the reality of the brexit threat (not as if they were alone there - I was totally shocked when I woke up that morning).
It isn't left and right - or even young and old. It is those who rely on globalism for their future versus those who have been left like flotsam on the beach and seen their views and feelings ignored for a generation by Modern greats grads who know better.
It's whirlwind reaping time all around, I'm afraid.
Your family are probably right that you'll go on and find something better - probably out of Europe. But if any of them have made the mistake of being old, stupid or uneducated they are first against the wall we just built.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 22:12, Reply)
If only I could have all the information I consume shouted at me by an angry one-trick gob-shite.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 23:47, Reply)
They just fucking hate the idea. So the idea itself is used as bludgeon. You say "Tory austerity" and I hear "I'm a little douchebag short and stout, here's my handle and here's my spout."
And again, as with similar discussions in the U.S., all weeds and no clear playing field, that is, nothing at all about representation in your so-called representative arrangement. Stuff it with talk about fear when you're deaf to talk about disgust. And Stayers fail to defend a big fat layer of governance slathered on top your own and taking it's place, remote and disinterested to your concerns, you are commodities to them, labor as numbers and not as people. The best government is the least government, small government closest to home where your voices are heard and where your voices count. And not blithely handed over to some set of fat cows, unworthy agents, who flatly do not care about you, your electric teapots, your toasters, the shape size and acceptable weight and color of your bananas.
You are so, so, so much better off making your own arrangements, and if they want to be tight with you then fine. Have them earn your loyalty and you theirs. You'll have your due respect.
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 6:26, Reply)
to buy my filthy capitalist T-shirts, we've got 3 new ones "fuck 2016" "eton mess" and "it's not Eu, it's me"
SpamCunt: brexitthroughthegiftshop.teemill.co.uk
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 9:24, Reply)
- sort of (the linked video has been removed).
Still - lols, right? Horrible pain!
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 20:03, Reply)
That trick is notoriously dangerous.
Just search for
https://www.google.com/#tbm=vid&hl=en&q=spike+cup+trick+gone+wrong and you'll see what I mean.
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 0:22, Reply)
What's the Polish for 'ouch!'?
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 1:42, Reply)
"Fuck, I'm sorry. I pierced your hand."
"Auuu it hurts!"
"I beg you, this doesn't really happening, is this a trick?"
"Thank you very much, we must leave, come on"
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 10:23, Reply)
... go and see Derren Brown's current stage show. It's really good.
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 14:47, Reply)
A song about a man with great support from his member.
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(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 20:10, Reply)
Just waiting for the Blairite millionaire jews to play the anti semitic card again.
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 2:22, Reply)
could be a bit longer that's all. And then more tracks. Like, a whole albums worth.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 23:17, Reply)
by painting intimidating eye-patterns onto cows’ behinds.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 18:26, Reply)
It works like a charm!
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 19:24, Reply)
But what about bears at the local dogging spot?
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 19:56, Reply)
As long as you're OK with your buttocks being blurred on Google Street View.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 21:04, Reply)
In a week where a fuckwit allows his self drive car to kill him by driving into a large lorry, Zack Weiner releases this cartoon...
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 18:20, Reply)
The car that was driving him explicitly states that its autopilot function is still under testing and that the driver should keep alert, with their hands on the wheel at all times. Every time the function is enabled.
If you're going to be a twat and ignore that advice, and spend your last precious moments watching Harry fucking Potter, then you deserve to be decapitated by an HGV.
I have absolutely no sympathy for the nobber. I do, however have a great amount of sympathy for the HGV driver. Whether or not his maneuver was safe, nobody should have to spend their work day looking at some idiots soft tissues and bone fragments smeared all over the side of their office.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 19:00, Reply)
He had past form of multiple speeding tickets and a self-posted YouTube dashcam vid where the car auto-swerves because he couldn't be arsed to look to the side when merging with another highway.
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 14:31, Reply)
Your brain is just picking up a pattern where there is none.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 21:25, Reply)
Well human experiences are soon to be banned totally. Brave New World.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 22:18, Reply)
I could have an extra hour's kip, or a more dignified version of this. I could even read the news while enjoying a spot of breakfast.
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 0:07, Reply)
layers like an onion?
so one sniff off the rancid hangings and your eyes water ?
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 16:58, Reply)
This guy is like Ian Huntley to me... (yup I'm a Stewart lee fan)
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 16:59, Reply)
needless to say, he didn't reply. One of my mates said it was fake, but I don't see that, if it is, it's really well done as I don't see any odd frames.
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 8:07, Reply)
The 4 of them punted Flora right up the Cherwell!
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 21:32, Reply)
Makes me wish I was a bully. What punchable faces these pathetic people have. Cunts
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 14:27, Reply)
to concentrate on showing his willy to people maybe
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 15:24, Reply)
Balanced on a 10 gallon bucket O petrol with a 1 gallon bottle of peroxide floating lazily in it.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 20:01, Reply)
Just hope they don't cancel the show. It was OK apart from that shrieking idiot.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 15:50, Reply)
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(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 19:06, Reply)
now you can rub salt into the wounded pride of the loosers by getting your vast knowledge topped up with EVERY top 75 of every week in the UK in the 1980's
* Go on you know you want the Powah!!!!!! that comes with this, to ridicule thoses lesser mortals whith the sharp confident reply to any music question EVA!!!!!!
*may not be true
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 13:40, Reply)
Since this could turn into politico tuesday have an old clip of Michael Gove and The Speeker
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 10:43, Reply)
Does any sane person actually watch this and think, 'yep, thats a good way to run a country'?
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 11:51, Reply)
what could possibly be wrong with grown men insulting each other in the name of goverment bussines
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 11:59, Reply)
They go in claiming to want to change things and make the atmosphere more respectable but within days they are screaming and shouting waving bits of paper in the air.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 12:15, Reply)
sitting in a sealed room, chatting amongst yourselves, with people from the same public schools would lead to a gap between the representatives and the represented!
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 12:12, Reply)
www.independent.co.uk/voices/gove-and-johnson-are-playing-student-politics-as-the-former-president-of-the-oxford-union-i-should-a7115501.html
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 17:06, Reply)
and I would think, I cant wait to be an adult to get away from this kind of being told off attitude, and also the behaviour that caused it.
Then i tune into PMQ and its exactly like im sitting in assembly again and the new teacher is talking about jesus and everyone is just chatting to their mate sitting next to each other.
Reason Corbyn is a good alternative #821
(, Tue 5 Jul 2016, 12:29, Reply)
that none of these fuckwits ever considered that the leave vote would be successful, so never bothered to come up with a plan of action in the event of a win...
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 10:37, Reply)
having spent decades stirring the nation to vote for ruin, and realise it will break up of the union,
he does a runner
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 11:29, Reply)
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 11:39, Reply)
wanted Brexit has quit, shows how much of a load of bollocks the referendum was. It should be nullified on that point alone imo.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 11:48, Reply)
At a garden party (wearing union jack shoes) at the weekend with Murdoch, a couple of Putin's stooges and lots of bent tories.
Probably got his payoff and told to stand down.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 13:44, Reply)
The guy gets his cock out all the time. He's well known to be a real pest in the industry. Glad to see someone's finally gone to the police.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 10:21, Reply)
Or at least run over.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 10:39, Reply)

It's like 5 minutes outside of Uyuni, and a side-show when it comes to the real reason for visiting that town (and in fact Bolivia in general - the salt flats.

(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 7:25, Reply)
www.panoramio.com/photo/5529394 - I only took a few photos as I'm not really into trains and I had a long way to go - I still get abuse from train spotters for that.
(, Mon 4 Jul 2016, 13:03, Reply)
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